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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Master list of oddball symbols? --> NOW: LL- and LC-tubes

2020-01-20 Thread Dieter Waechter

Thank you Aleksander,
I thought this might be a second data page.
Update of the List:

  Type Sort Brand(s)  Base & Pinout Displayed symbols 
  LC-1 NIX-E PIE B13B 0-9, upper dot, lower dot 
  LC-2 NIX-E PIE, Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B 0-9, upper dot, PR 
  LC-7 NIX-S Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13D 0-9, PL, PR 
  LC-511 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B 0-9, dot (middle left) 
  LC-511F NIX-E   B13B numerals 
  LC-513 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B 0-9, PL 
  LC-513A NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B 0-9 
  LC-516 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) U11 0-9 
  LC-531 NIX-S Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13D 0-9, PL, PR 
  LC-531F NIX-S Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13D 0-9, PL, PR 
  LC-541 NIX-S   B9A 0-9 
  LC-541F NIX-S   B9A 0-9 
  LC-631 (Version 01) NIX-S Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B 0-9 
  LC-631 (Version 02) NIX-S Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B 0-9 
  LC-631F NIX-S Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B 0-9 
  LL-1 NIX-E PIE B13B A, V, Ω, +, -, %, k, m, µ, p, F, H, M, W 
  LL-551 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B A, V, Ω, +, -, ~, % 
  LL-551F NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B A, V, Ω, +, -, ~, % 
  LL-552 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B m, M, p, μ, k, n 
  LL-553 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B F, H, Hz, S, W, z 
  LL-555 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B Ł, C, T, R, Y, N, B 
  LL-556 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B G, M, P, S, U, Δ 
  LL-557 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B E, J, A, V, F, H 
  LL-558 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B D, L, K, W, X, Z, φ 
  LL-558B NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B symbols 
  LL-561 NIX-S(I) Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13D +, -, Δ or +, -, ~ 
  LL-661 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B +, -, ~ 
  LL-661F NIX-E   B13B +, -, ~ 


Additions welcome. Pictures welcome. Datasheets welcome. All data missing in 
the chart very welcome.
Offers for all welcome, too!
Best regards
Dieter



- Original Message - 
  From: Aleksander Zawada 
  To: Dieter Waechter 
  Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 11:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Master list of oddball symbols? --> NOW: LL- 
and LC-tubes


  http://www.pwl.mikrokontroler.pl/lampy_elektronowe/ll1/ll1_pie_e.htm

  This is the correct link. 


  W dniu 20.01.2020 o 22:47, Dieter Waechter pisze:

Thank you Aleksander for the additions.
Do you know where that page is:
http://www.pwl.mikrokontroler.pl/lampy_elektronowe/ll1/l11_pie_e.htm
Best regards
Dieter

  - Original Message - 
  From: Aleksander Zawada 
  To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com ; Dieter Waechter 
  Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 9:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Master list of oddball symbols? --> NOW: 
LL- and LC-tubes


  http://www.pwl.mikrokontroler.pl/lampy_elektronowe/ll1/ll1_pie_e.htm

  http://www.pwl.mikrokontroler.pl/lampy_elektronowe/lc2/lc2_pie_e.htm


  W dniu 20.01.2020 o 20:41, Dieter Waechter pisze:

HI,
This is right, but note that the RFT Bulletin tells "+, -, ~".
Especially at the LL- and LC-tubes there were different symbols and 
also pinouts with the same type number.

This is all I know at the moment:

  Type Sort Brand(s)  Base Displayed symbols 
  LC-1 NIX-E PIE B13B 0-9 
  LC-2 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B numerals 
  LC-7 NIX-S Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13D 0-9, PL, PR 
  LC-511 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B 0-9, dot (middle left) 
  LC-511F NIX-E   B13B numerals 
  LC-513 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B 0-9, PL 
  LC-513A NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B 0-9 
  LC-516 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) U11 0-9 
  LC-531 NIX-S Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13D 0-9, PL, PR 
  LC-531F NIX-S Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13D 0-9, PL, PR 
  LC-541 NIX-S   B9A 0-9 
  LC-541F NIX-S   B9A 0-9 
  LC-631 (Version 01) NIX-S Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B 0-9 
  LC-631 (Version 02) NIX-S Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B 0-9 
  LC-631F NIX-S Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B 0-9 
  LL-1 NIX-E   B13B symbols 
  LL-551 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B A, V, Ω, +, -, ~, % 
  LL-551F NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B A, V, Ω, +, -, ~, % 
  LL-552 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B m, M, p, μ, k, n 
  LL-553 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B F, H, Hz, S, W, z 
  LL-555 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B Ł, C, T, R, Y, N, B 
  LL-556 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B G, M, P, S, U, Δ 
  LL-557 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B E, J, A, V, F, H 
  LL-558 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B D, L, K, W, X, Z, φ 
  LL-558B NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B symbols 
  LL-561 NIX-S(I) Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13D +, -, Δ or +, -, ~ 
  LL-661 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B +, -, ~ 
  LL-661F NIX-E

[neonixie-l] Re: 14-digit nixie calculator project with clock function

2020-01-20 Thread newxito



Thanks for your input, Richard. I don’t have access to a CNC device right 
now, but such a router is on the top of my (maker) wish list.

I have found a place where you can define the text and color (no graphics) 
of every keycap for an entire keyboard. So, basically you get 104 custom 
keycaps for 50$, that’s ok for me, I will only made one or two of these 
calculators. 

Am Montag, 20. Januar 2020 12:11:20 UTC+1 schrieb Richard Scales:
>
> Many Many years ago (1980 ish) I was involved in what were known at the 
> time as Microcomputer Terminals. These were Z80 based machines running CP/M 
> which used serial Terminals (VDU's) for I/O. We created some software which 
> required custom key caps so I (as the junior!) was sent off with a bag of 
> blank keys down to a local company who engraved lettering into the surface 
> of the keys which was then filled with some white paint - et voila - 
> customised keycaps.
> Wind the clock forward 40 years (that's scary!) and things like cnc 
> routers are more common place - I have a desktop CNC router myself and I 
> can see that it would be no major issue to cut letters and words into the 
> surface of a blank key. 
> Assuming one had or had access to a small router, that would be a way of 
> achieving your goal.
> Just my 2 cents as they say!
> Richard
>
>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Master list of oddball symbols? --> NOW: LL- and LC-tubes

2020-01-20 Thread Dieter Waechter

Thank you Aleksander for the additions.
Do you know where that page is:
http://www.pwl.mikrokontroler.pl/lampy_elektronowe/ll1/l11_pie_e.htm
Best regards
Dieter

  - Original Message - 
  From: Aleksander Zawada 
  To: neonixie-l@googlegroups.com ; Dieter Waechter 
  Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 9:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Master list of oddball symbols? --> NOW: LL- 
and LC-tubes


  http://www.pwl.mikrokontroler.pl/lampy_elektronowe/ll1/ll1_pie_e.htm

  http://www.pwl.mikrokontroler.pl/lampy_elektronowe/lc2/lc2_pie_e.htm


  W dniu 20.01.2020 o 20:41, Dieter Waechter pisze:

HI,
This is right, but note that the RFT Bulletin tells "+, -, ~".
Especially at the LL- and LC-tubes there were different symbols and also 
pinouts with the same type number.

This is all I know at the moment:

  Type Sort Brand(s)  Base Displayed symbols 
  LC-1 NIX-E PIE B13B 0-9 
  LC-2 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B numerals 
  LC-7 NIX-S Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13D 0-9, PL, PR 
  LC-511 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B 0-9, dot (middle left) 
  LC-511F NIX-E   B13B numerals 
  LC-513 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B 0-9, PL 
  LC-513A NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B 0-9 
  LC-516 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) U11 0-9 
  LC-531 NIX-S Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13D 0-9, PL, PR 
  LC-531F NIX-S Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13D 0-9, PL, PR 
  LC-541 NIX-S   B9A 0-9 
  LC-541F NIX-S   B9A 0-9 
  LC-631 (Version 01) NIX-S Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B 0-9 
  LC-631 (Version 02) NIX-S Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B 0-9 
  LC-631F NIX-S Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B 0-9 
  LL-1 NIX-E   B13B symbols 
  LL-551 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B A, V, Ω, +, -, ~, % 
  LL-551F NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B A, V, Ω, +, -, ~, % 
  LL-552 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B m, M, p, μ, k, n 
  LL-553 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B F, H, Hz, S, W, z 
  LL-555 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B Ł, C, T, R, Y, N, B 
  LL-556 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B G, M, P, S, U, Δ 
  LL-557 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B E, J, A, V, F, H 
  LL-558 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B D, L, K, W, X, Z, φ 
  LL-558B NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B symbols 
  LL-561 NIX-S(I) Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13D +, -, Δ or +, -, ~ 
  LL-661 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B +, -, ~ 
  LL-661F NIX-E   B13B +, -, ~ 


Additions welcome. Pictures welcome. Datasheets welcome. All data missing 
in the chart very welcome.
Offers for all welcome, too!
Best regards
Dieter



  - Original Message - 
  From: Tyler Bourne 
  To: neonixie-l 
  Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 8:24 PM
  Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: Master list of oddball symbols?


  There is the Dolam LL-561, with +, -, and a triangle.



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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Master list of oddball symbols? --> NOW: LL- and LC-tubes

2020-01-20 Thread Aleksander Zawada


http://www.pwl.mikrokontroler.pl/lampy_elektronowe/ll1/ll1_pie_e.htm

http://www.pwl.mikrokontroler.pl/lampy_elektronowe/lc2/lc2_pie_e.htm

W dniu 20.01.2020 o 20:41, Dieter Waechter pisze:

HI,
This is right, but note that the RFT Bulletin tells "+, -, ~".
Especially at the LL- and LC-tubes there were different symbols and 
also pinouts with the same type number.

This is all I know at the moment:
*Type*  *Sort*  *Brand(s) * *Base*  *Displayed symbols*
LC-1NIX-E   PIE B13B0-9
LC-2NIX-E   Unitra Dolam (Poland)   B13Bnumerals
LC-7NIX-S   Unitra Dolam (Poland)   B13D0-9, PL, PR
LC-511  NIX-E   Unitra Dolam (Poland)   B13B0-9, dot (middle left)
LC-511F NIX-E   B13Bnumerals
LC-513  NIX-E   Unitra Dolam (Poland)   B13B0-9, PL
LC-513A NIX-E   Unitra Dolam (Poland)   B13B0-9
LC-516  NIX-E   Unitra Dolam (Poland)   U11 0-9
LC-531  NIX-S   Unitra Dolam (Poland)   B13D0-9, PL, PR
LC-531F NIX-S   Unitra Dolam (Poland)   B13D0-9, PL, PR
LC-541  NIX-S   B9A 0-9
LC-541F NIX-S   B9A 0-9
LC-631 (Version 01) NIX-S   Unitra Dolam (Poland)   B13B0-9
LC-631 (Version 02) NIX-S   Unitra Dolam (Poland)   B13B0-9
LC-631F NIX-S   Unitra Dolam (Poland)   B13B0-9
LL-1NIX-E   B13Bsymbols
LL-551  NIX-E   Unitra Dolam (Poland)   B13BA, V, Ω, +, -, ~, %
LL-551F NIX-E   Unitra Dolam (Poland)   B13BA, V, Ω, +, -, ~, %
LL-552  NIX-E   Unitra Dolam (Poland)   B13Bm, M, p, μ, k, n
LL-553  NIX-E   Unitra Dolam (Poland)   B13BF, H, Hz, S, W, z
LL-555  NIX-E   Unitra Dolam (Poland)   B13BŁ, C, T, R, Y, N, B
LL-556  NIX-E   Unitra Dolam (Poland)   B13BG, M, P, S, U, Δ
LL-557  NIX-E   Unitra Dolam (Poland)   B13BE, J, A, V, F, H
LL-558  NIX-E   Unitra Dolam (Poland)   B13BD, L, K, W, X, Z, φ
LL-558B NIX-E   Unitra Dolam (Poland)   B13Bsymbols
LL-561  NIX-S(I)Unitra Dolam (Poland)   B13D+, -, Δ or +, -, ~
LL-661  NIX-E   Unitra Dolam (Poland)   B13B+, -, ~
LL-661F NIX-E   B13B+, -, ~

*Additions welcome. Pictures welcome. Datasheets welcome. All data 
missing in the chart very welcome.*

*Offers for all welcome, too!*
Best regards
Dieter

- Original Message -
*From:* Tyler Bourne 
*To:* neonixie-l 
*Sent:* Monday, January 20, 2020 8:24 PM
*Subject:* [neonixie-l] Re: Master list of oddball symbols?

There is the Dolam LL-561, with +, -, and a triangle.


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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Master list of oddball symbols? --> NOW: LL- and LC-tubes

2020-01-20 Thread Dieter Waechter

HI,
This is right, but note that the RFT Bulletin tells "+, -, ~".
Especially at the LL- and LC-tubes there were different symbols and also 
pinouts with the same type number.

This is all I know at the moment:

  Type Sort Brand(s)  Base Displayed symbols 
  LC-1 NIX-E PIE B13B 0-9 
  LC-2 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B numerals 
  LC-7 NIX-S Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13D 0-9, PL, PR 
  LC-511 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B 0-9, dot (middle left) 
  LC-511F NIX-E   B13B numerals 
  LC-513 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B 0-9, PL 
  LC-513A NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B 0-9 
  LC-516 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) U11 0-9 
  LC-531 NIX-S Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13D 0-9, PL, PR 
  LC-531F NIX-S Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13D 0-9, PL, PR 
  LC-541 NIX-S   B9A 0-9 
  LC-541F NIX-S   B9A 0-9 
  LC-631 (Version 01) NIX-S Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B 0-9 
  LC-631 (Version 02) NIX-S Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B 0-9 
  LC-631F NIX-S Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B 0-9 
  LL-1 NIX-E   B13B symbols 
  LL-551 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B A, V, Ω, +, -, ~, % 
  LL-551F NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B A, V, Ω, +, -, ~, % 
  LL-552 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B m, M, p, μ, k, n 
  LL-553 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B F, H, Hz, S, W, z 
  LL-555 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B Ł, C, T, R, Y, N, B 
  LL-556 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B G, M, P, S, U, Δ 
  LL-557 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B E, J, A, V, F, H 
  LL-558 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B D, L, K, W, X, Z, φ 
  LL-558B NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B symbols 
  LL-561 NIX-S(I) Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13D +, -, Δ or +, -, ~ 
  LL-661 NIX-E Unitra Dolam (Poland) B13B +, -, ~ 
  LL-661F NIX-E   B13B +, -, ~ 


Additions welcome. Pictures welcome. Datasheets welcome. All data missing in 
the chart very welcome.
Offers for all welcome, too!
Best regards
Dieter



  - Original Message - 
  From: Tyler Bourne 
  To: neonixie-l 
  Sent: Monday, January 20, 2020 8:24 PM
  Subject: [neonixie-l] Re: Master list of oddball symbols?


  There is the Dolam LL-561, with +, -, and a triangle.



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[neonixie-l] Re: Master list of oddball symbols?

2020-01-20 Thread Tyler Bourne

There is the Dolam LL-561, with +, -, and a triangle.


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[neonixie-l] Re: 14-digit nixie calculator project with clock function

2020-01-20 Thread Richard Scales

Many Many years ago (1980 ish) I was involved in what were known at the 
time as Microcomputer Terminals. These were Z80 based machines running CP/M 
which used serial Terminals (VDU's) for I/O. We created some software which 
required custom key caps so I (as the junior!) was sent off with a bag of 
blank keys down to a local company who engraved lettering into the surface 
of the keys which was then filled with some white paint - et voila - 
customised keycaps.
Wind the clock forward 40 years (that's scary!) and things like cnc routers 
are more common place - I have a desktop CNC router myself and I can see 
that it would be no major issue to cut letters and words into the surface 
of a blank key. 
Assuming one had or had access to a small router, that would be a way of 
achieving your goal.
Just my 2 cents as they say!
Richard

On Wednesday, 15 January 2020 15:46:10 UTC, newxito wrote:
>
> The 14 neons for the dots and minus sign are now installed and everything 
> seems to work fine. The board with the switches is also fully assembled, it 
> uses a HT16K33. I will start with this keyboard layout. I have to start now 
> designing the case, that’s the hardest part of this project. If the case 
> looks ok, I probably will design a new board with more keys and functions 
> and buy some custom keycaps. By the way, custom keycaps seem to be really 
> expensive! 
>
>

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