Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Fascinating ebay sale ... apparently IN-18 production gear!

[Zedsquared]

Thanks for all the input folks, I was on the "borrow a bargepole" side of 
the fence myself :)

As a newcomer to the world of nixies can you fill me in on some IN-18 
history? It sounds like there was a huge price hike in the recent past from 
what's being said, and this talk of cartels intrigues me :) 

Cheers,
   Robin.

On Sunday, May 12, 2013 12:57:04 AM UTC+1, Adam Jacobs wrote:
>
> It does look like mostly a giant pile of junk... and I agree, there is no 
> telling how many IN-18's are left in the cartel's secret hoard. One thing 
> is for certain: Although every other nixie tube price continues to 
> increase, the IN-18 has stayed bizarrely stable.
>
> -Adam
>
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Charles MacDonald 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> On 13-05-11 03:24 PM, Dutchgray wrote:
>>
>>> Then if by some miracle you actually get it set up and working properly
>>> the Russians will undercut you forever with their vast stock of IN-18's
>>> as no one knows how many they have left and I bet its lots. New
>>> manufacture would only work with a tube that people would pay big money
>>> for, so a copy of something big
>>>
>>
>> I share the scepticism. although since there is NOT any tooling for the 
>> digits but just "Knowledge" - perhaps one could produce tubes with better 
>> digits, or custom digits - Chess Pieces have been mentioned. Also this 
>> might be a leg up to starting to make new design Nixie tubes intended to 
>> fill niches in the market.  if one had the processes down for the IN18, 
>> perhaps your engineering staff could scale up to a CD-47 size tube.
>>
>> My sceptical nature will leave me watching far away on the sidelines.
>>
>> -- 
>> Charles MacDonald Stittsville Ontario
>> cm...@zeusprune.ca   Just Beyond the Fringe
>> http://Charles.MacDonald.org/**tubes 
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Fascinating ebay sale ... apparently IN-18 production gear!

[Adam Jacobs]

It does look like mostly a giant pile of junk... and I agree, there is no
telling how many IN-18's are left in the cartel's secret hoard. One thing
is for certain: Although every other nixie tube price continues to
increase, the IN-18 has stayed bizarrely stable.

-Adam


On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Charles MacDonald wrote:

> On 13-05-11 03:24 PM, Dutchgray wrote:
>
>> Then if by some miracle you actually get it set up and working properly
>> the Russians will undercut you forever with their vast stock of IN-18's
>> as no one knows how many they have left and I bet its lots. New
>> manufacture would only work with a tube that people would pay big money
>> for, so a copy of something big
>>
>
> I share the scepticism. although since there is NOT any tooling for the
> digits but just "Knowledge" - perhaps one could produce tubes with better
> digits, or custom digits - Chess Pieces have been mentioned. Also this
> might be a leg up to starting to make new design Nixie tubes intended to
> fill niches in the market.  if one had the processes down for the IN18,
> perhaps your engineering staff could scale up to a CD-47 size tube.
>
> My sceptical nature will leave me watching far away on the sidelines.
>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Fascinating ebay sale ... apparently IN-18 production gear!

[Charles MacDonald]

On 13-05-11 03:24 PM, Dutchgray wrote:

Then if by some miracle you actually get it set up and working properly
the Russians will undercut you forever with their vast stock of IN-18's
as no one knows how many they have left and I bet its lots. New
manufacture would only work with a tube that people would pay big money
for, so a copy of something big


I share the scepticism. although since there is NOT any tooling for the 
digits but just "Knowledge" - perhaps one could produce tubes with 
better digits, or custom digits - Chess Pieces have been mentioned. 
Also this might be a leg up to starting to make new design Nixie tubes 
intended to fill niches in the market.  if one had the processes down 
for the IN18, perhaps your engineering staff could scale up to a CD-47 
size tube.


My sceptical nature will leave me watching far away on the sidelines.

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[neonixie-l] Re: Fascinating ebay sale ... apparently IN-18 production gear!

[AlexTsekenis]

A video of homemade neon tubes  has 
a 
comment on the top by the uploader, 'Glasslinger'. He describes the lot as 
'industrial junk'.
Apologies if 'glasslinger' has posted here already.

Alex.


On Monday, May 6, 2013 11:23:54 AM UTC+1, Zedsquared wrote:
>
> This is interesting!
>
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261172534593
>
> I've not got the cash or inclination to buy but would love to hear what 
> people make of this, it's a great insight into what goes on in manufacture.
> Does anyone know what the green machine with flames does?
> What's in the cans? (I'd guess getter compound maybe ).
> Looking at the Q&A so far it implies that the digits have to be made with 
> the supplied "know how" ... photo etching techniques and recipies perhaps?
>
> Cheers,
>Robin.
>
> P.S.I guess I should introduce myself :) Hi, I'm Robin from the UK, a 
> software and hardware computer guy with a nascent ebay nixie acquisition 
> habit but only a few breadboard rigs actually built yet. Here's "hello 
> world" from my first PIC and nixie setup:  
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqxDZUYhl2s
> Day job is R&D at a company fitting out emergency service command and 
> control vehicles with tech, weekend job is pyrotechnician with skyburst. 
> I'm currently spending most of my time in bed with a laptop due to a broken 
> ankle, bah!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[neonixie-l] Re: Fascinating ebay sale ... apparently IN-18 production gear!

[Dutchgray]

Then if by some miracle you actually get it set up and working properly the 
Russians will undercut you forever with their vast stock of IN-18's as no 
one knows how many they have left and I bet its lots. New manufacture would 
only work with a tube that people would pay big money for, so a copy of 
something big and very rare or one bigger than any other ever made would be 
required.

On Thursday, 9 May 2013 11:27:13 UTC+1, MrNixie (UK) wrote:
>
> Lend me your bargepole - I wouldn't touch this deal with my own! This 
> doesn't stack up. You are only going to need one piece of don't-know-how, 
> and you would be completely stumped, I reckon. Of course, this item has 
> appeared on eBay before (was it with the same seller?), and it didn't sell 
> then. Why?  Good luck to anyone buying it and shipping it half way around 
> the world, only to find that DHL (stands for Dropped, High-kicked and 
> Launched) or your international carrier of choice haven't just delivered 
> you a pile of broken silica tubes.
>
>
> On Monday, 6 May 2013 11:23:54 UTC+1, Zedsquared wrote:
>>
>> This is interesting!
>>
>> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261172534593
>>
>> I've not got the cash or inclination to buy but would love to hear what 
>> people make of this, it's a great insight into what goes on in manufacture.
>> Does anyone know what the green machine with flames does?
>> What's in the cans? (I'd guess getter compound maybe ).
>> Looking at the Q&A so far it implies that the digits have to be made with 
>> the supplied "know how" ... photo etching techniques and recipies perhaps?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>Robin.
>>
>> P.S.I guess I should introduce myself :) Hi, I'm Robin from the UK, a 
>> software and hardware computer guy with a nascent ebay nixie acquisition 
>> habit but only a few breadboard rigs actually built yet. Here's "hello 
>> world" from my first PIC and nixie setup:  
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqxDZUYhl2s
>> Day job is R&D at a company fitting out emergency service command and 
>> control vehicles with tech, weekend job is pyrotechnician with skyburst. 
>> I'm currently spending most of my time in bed with a laptop due to a broken 
>> ankle, bah!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[neonixie-l] Re: Fascinating ebay sale ... apparently IN-18 production gear!

[MrNixie (UK)]

Lend me your bargepole - I wouldn't touch this deal with my own! This 
doesn't stack up. You are only going to need one piece of don't-know-how, 
and you would be completely stumped, I reckon. Of course, this item has 
appeared on eBay before (was it with the same seller?), and it didn't sell 
then. Why?  Good luck to anyone buying it and shipping it half way around 
the world, only to find that DHL (stands for Dropped, High-kicked and 
Launched) or your international carrier of choice haven't just delivered 
you a pile of broken silica tubes.


On Monday, 6 May 2013 11:23:54 UTC+1, Zedsquared wrote:
>
> This is interesting!
>
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261172534593
>
> I've not got the cash or inclination to buy but would love to hear what 
> people make of this, it's a great insight into what goes on in manufacture.
> Does anyone know what the green machine with flames does?
> What's in the cans? (I'd guess getter compound maybe ).
> Looking at the Q&A so far it implies that the digits have to be made with 
> the supplied "know how" ... photo etching techniques and recipies perhaps?
>
> Cheers,
>Robin.
>
> P.S.I guess I should introduce myself :) Hi, I'm Robin from the UK, a 
> software and hardware computer guy with a nascent ebay nixie acquisition 
> habit but only a few breadboard rigs actually built yet. Here's "hello 
> world" from my first PIC and nixie setup:  
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqxDZUYhl2s
> Day job is R&D at a company fitting out emergency service command and 
> control vehicles with tech, weekend job is pyrotechnician with skyburst. 
> I'm currently spending most of my time in bed with a laptop due to a broken 
> ankle, bah!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Fascinating ebay sale ... apparently IN-18 production gear!

[Dalibor Farný]

Nice, this is good idea!

There is actually not problem with money (to go on kickstarter), but
with information that is very difficult to obtain..

For example I solve a problem with the matte gray metal sheet what is
used for the back of the nixie tubes - it is not shiny but matte to
improve the readability of the tube. Is there anyone who knows what it
is? I have some information that it is "PN or P2 sheet", an aluminum
plated steel sheet annealed in vacuum.. But where to get it or how to
make it?

I am afraid that kickstarter wont solve that problem unless You can
pay someone who knows it ;-)

Dalibor

2013/5/9 Matt :
> It would be nice to see larger tubes put on Kickstarter or Indiegogo so that
> more people can enjoy them.
>
> Also, it would be nice to see other designs made.  For example, lasermad.com
> has an induction powered nixie chess set that uses existing symbols for
> chess pieces, but how awesome would it be to have the actual chess shapes as
> in this rendering?
>
> http://nxt.flamingo3d.com/photo/nixie-chess-set?context=latest
>
> (I am not affiliated with anything mentioned, attached, or linked above)
>
>
> On 05/08/2013 06:18 PM, Adam Jacobs wrote:
>>
>> There definitely has to be a very limited sort of customer base for an
>> auction such as this one.
>>
>> Kind of reminds me of the Polaroid film "Impossible Project" people.. They
>> bought the old factory, all of the equipment, and even hired back a ton of
>> the employees. I'm still floored that there is enough of a niche customer
>> base for that business to stay afloat.
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>> On 5/8/2013 3:15 PM, Nicholas Stock wrote:
>>>
>>> Take a look at the question and answer section of the listing...the
>>> seller does say that the stamps for the bases are included.with pins
>>>
>>> This listing has been going for a while now...he's had a few offers that
>>> he's declined by the looks of it too..
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:59 PM, kay486 >> > wrote:
>>>
>>> The tins contain getters actually. But the thing is that most likely
>>> they wouldnt be working by now. Also the most important
>>> thing that is missing there are the tube bases with the metal to
>>> glass seals. You can easily etch the anode grid and
>>> cathodes. But you wouldnt be able to make the bases.
>>> All in all, there is no wa you would make money on that. It would be
>>> just an interesting project to work on.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, 8 May 2013 22:50:22 UTC+1, bani wrote:
>>>
>>> What's in the tins?
>>>
>>> I don't see these in the pics:
>>> * grid meshes
>>> * digit wire
>>> * getters
>>>
>>> -Dan
>>>
>>> On Wed, 8 May 2013, dr pepper wrote:
>>>
>>> > Looking at it you'd also need a air compressor and a power
>>> press for
>>> > the press tooling.
>>> >
>>> > A visit to the seller would be a good idea to see what is
>>> included.
>>> >
>>> > Setting up producing those tubes might be profitable, however
>>> > allthough not absolutely necessary you'd really need to speak
>>> to one
>>> > of the setters or production workers that ran the original
>>> production
>>> > line, so you'd need to speak russian.
>>> >
>>> > On 6 May, 11:23, Zedsquared  wrote:
>>> >> This is interesting!
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261172534593
>>> >>
>>> >> I've not got the cash or inclination to buy but would love to
>>> hear what
>>> >> people make of this, it's a great insight into what goes on in
>>> manufacture.
>>> >> Does anyone know what the green machine with flames does?
>>> >> What's in the cans? (I'd guess getter compound maybe ).
>>> >> Looking at the Q&A so far it implies that the digits have to
>>> be made with
>>> >> the supplied "know how" ... photo etching techniques and
>>> recipies perhaps?
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers,
>>> >> � � � �Robin.
>>> >>
>>> >> P.S. � �I guess I should introduce myself :) Hi, I'm Robin
>>> from the UK, a
>>>
>>> >> software and hardware computer guy with a nascent ebay nixie
>>> acquisition
>>> >> habit but only a few breadboard rigs actually built yet.
>>> Here's "hello
>>> >> world" from my first PIC and nixie setup:
>>> �https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqxDZUYhl2s
>>>
>>> >> Day job is R&D at a company fitting out emergency service
>>> command and
>>> >> control vehicles with tech, weekend job is pyrotechnician with
>>> skyburst.
>>> >> I'm currently spending most of my time in bed with a laptop
>>> due to a broken
>>> >> ankle, bah!
>>> >
>>>
>>
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Fascinating ebay sale ... apparently IN-18 production gear!

[Matt]

It would be nice to see larger tubes put on Kickstarter or Indiegogo so that 
more people can enjoy them.

Also, it would be nice to see other designs made.  For example, lasermad.com has an induction powered nixie chess set that uses 
existing symbols for chess pieces, but how awesome would it be to have the actual chess shapes as in this rendering?


http://nxt.flamingo3d.com/photo/nixie-chess-set?context=latest

(I am not affiliated with anything mentioned, attached, or linked above)

On 05/08/2013 06:18 PM, Adam Jacobs wrote:

There definitely has to be a very limited sort of customer base for an auction 
such as this one.

Kind of reminds me of the Polaroid film "Impossible Project" people.. They bought the old factory, all of the equipment, and even 
hired back a ton of the employees. I'm still floored that there is enough of a niche customer base for that business to stay afloat.


-Adam

On 5/8/2013 3:15 PM, Nicholas Stock wrote:
Take a look at the question and answer section of the listing...the seller does say that the stamps for the bases are 
included.with pins


This listing has been going for a while now...he's had a few offers that he's 
declined by the looks of it too..

Nick


On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:59 PM, kay486 mailto:luckyl...@gmail.com>> wrote:

The tins contain getters actually. But the thing is that most likely they 
wouldnt be working by now. Also the most important
thing that is missing there are the tube bases with the metal to glass 
seals. You can easily etch the anode grid and
cathodes. But you wouldnt be able to make the bases.
All in all, there is no wa you would make money on that. It would be just 
an interesting project to work on.

On Wednesday, 8 May 2013 22:50:22 UTC+1, bani wrote:

What's in the tins?

I don't see these in the pics:
* grid meshes
* digit wire
* getters

-Dan

On Wed, 8 May 2013, dr pepper wrote:

> Looking at it you'd also need a air compressor and a power press for
> the press tooling.
>
> A visit to the seller would be a good idea to see what is included.
>
> Setting up producing those tubes might be profitable, however
> allthough not absolutely necessary you'd really need to speak to one
> of the setters or production workers that ran the original production
> line, so you'd need to speak russian.
>
> On 6 May, 11:23, Zedsquared  wrote:
>> This is interesting!
>>
>> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261172534593
>>
>> I've not got the cash or inclination to buy but would love to hear 
what
>> people make of this, it's a great insight into what goes on in 
manufacture.
>> Does anyone know what the green machine with flames does?
>> What's in the cans? (I'd guess getter compound maybe ).
>> Looking at the Q&A so far it implies that the digits have to be made 
with
>> the supplied "know how" ... photo etching techniques and recipies 
perhaps?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> � � � �Robin.
>>
>> P.S. � �I guess I should introduce myself :) Hi, I'm Robin from the 
UK, a
>> software and hardware computer guy with a nascent ebay nixie 
acquisition
>> habit but only a few breadboard rigs actually built yet. Here's 
"hello
>> world" from my first PIC and nixie setup: 
�https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqxDZUYhl2s
>> Day job is R&D at a company fitting out emergency service command and
>> control vehicles with tech, weekend job is pyrotechnician with 
skyburst.
>> I'm currently spending most of my time in bed with a laptop due to a 
broken
>> ankle, bah!
>





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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Fascinating ebay sale ... apparently IN-18 production gear!

[Dalibor Farný]

The seller describes the auction as a complete factory for producing
the IN-18 tubes, but actually it is just a pile of junk. The most
critical parts as stems (pin bases) arent there, digits are just in a
form of "know-how" and so.. Even he has the stamps for the pin bases
it would be a real deal to get the stuff working. You can see the real
production of stems here: http://youtu.be/GDvF89Bh27Y?t=21m15s
Does the seller provide also such a automatic machine working with the stamps?

Also the neon filling station would be difficult to build, especially
if it should be automatic..

I would be personally interested in getters and those ceramic bead
insulators, all other has almost no value. I think it could make sense
for anyone looking to start a crazy project (as the polaroid film
mentioned by Adam Jacobs), but in this case the price would have to
lowered to somewhere $2-3.000.

IN-18 isnt a tube worth recovering the original factory ;-) z568m or
something would be much better!

By the way, I am almost prepared to produce some tube samples.. I am
building the garden shed to accomodate all my stuff and then I will
put all parts together! The last progress I made are etched digits:
http://dalibor.farny.cz/another-update-digits-for-nixie-tubes/
Some interesting blog posts are to come soon!

Guess what kind of nixie am I going to replicate? ;-)

Sorry for self-promo!

Dalibor

2013/5/9 Instrument Resources of America :
> Wasn't this exact same lot up for sale just a few months back??  Ira.
>
>
>
> On 5/8/2013 3:15 PM, Nicholas Stock wrote:
>
> Take a look at the question and answer section of the listing...the seller
> does say that the stamps for the bases are included.with pins
>
> This listing has been going for a while now...he's had a few offers that
> he's declined by the looks of it too..
>
> Nick
>
>
> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:59 PM, kay486  wrote:
>>
>> The tins contain getters actually. But the thing is that most likely they
>> wouldnt be working by now. Also the most important thing that is missing
>> there are the tube bases with the metal to glass seals. You can easily etch
>> the anode grid and cathodes. But you wouldnt be able to make the bases.
>> All in all, there is no wa you would make money on that. It would be just
>> an interesting project to work on.
>>
>> On Wednesday, 8 May 2013 22:50:22 UTC+1, bani wrote:
>>>
>>> What's in the tins?
>>>
>>> I don't see these in the pics:
>>> * grid meshes
>>> * digit wire
>>> * getters
>>>
>>> -Dan
>>>
>>> On Wed, 8 May 2013, dr pepper wrote:
>>>
>>> > Looking at it you'd also need a air compressor and a power press for
>>> > the press tooling.
>>> >
>>> > A visit to the seller would be a good idea to see what is included.
>>> >
>>> > Setting up producing those tubes might be profitable, however
>>> > allthough not absolutely necessary you'd really need to speak to one
>>> > of the setters or production workers that ran the original production
>>> > line, so you'd need to speak russian.
>>> >
>>> > On 6 May, 11:23, Zedsquared  wrote:
>>> >> This is interesting!
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261172534593
>>> >>
>>> >> I've not got the cash or inclination to buy but would love to hear
>>> >> what
>>> >> people make of this, it's a great insight into what goes on in
>>> >> manufacture.
>>> >> Does anyone know what the green machine with flames does?
>>> >> What's in the cans? (I'd guess getter compound maybe ).
>>> >> Looking at the Q&A so far it implies that the digits have to be made
>>> >> with
>>> >> the supplied "know how" ... photo etching techniques and recipies
>>> >> perhaps?
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers,
>>> >> � � � �Robin.
>>> >>
>>> >> P.S. � �I guess I should introduce myself :) Hi, I'm Robin from
>>> >> the UK, a
>>> >> software and hardware computer guy with a nascent ebay nixie
>>> >> acquisition
>>> >> habit but only a few breadboard rigs actually built yet. Here's "hello
>>> >> world" from my first PIC and nixie setup:
>>> >> �https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqxDZUYhl2s
>>> >> Day job is R&D at a company fitting out emergency service command and
>>> >> control vehicles with tech, weekend job is pyrotechnician with
>>> >> skyburst.
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Fascinating ebay sale ... apparently IN-18 production gear!

[Instrument Resources of America]

Wasn't this exact same lot up for sale just a few months back?? Ira.


On 5/8/2013 3:15 PM, Nicholas Stock wrote:
Take a look at the question and answer section of the listing...the 
seller does say that the stamps for the bases are included.with pins


This listing has been going for a while now...he's had a few offers 
that he's declined by the looks of it too..


Nick


On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:59 PM, kay486 > wrote:


The tins contain getters actually. But the thing is that most
likely they wouldnt be working by now. Also the most important
thing that is missing there are the tube bases with the metal to
glass seals. You can easily etch the anode grid and cathodes. But
you wouldnt be able to make the bases.
All in all, there is no wa you would make money on that. It would
be just an interesting project to work on.

On Wednesday, 8 May 2013 22:50:22 UTC+1, bani wrote:

What's in the tins?

I don't see these in the pics:
* grid meshes
* digit wire
* getters

-Dan

On Wed, 8 May 2013, dr pepper wrote:

> Looking at it you'd also need a air compressor and a power
press for
> the press tooling.
>
> A visit to the seller would be a good idea to see what is
included.
>
> Setting up producing those tubes might be profitable, however
> allthough not absolutely necessary you'd really need to
speak to one
> of the setters or production workers that ran the original
production
> line, so you'd need to speak russian.
>
> On 6 May, 11:23, Zedsquared  wrote:
>> This is interesting!
>>
>> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261172534593
>>
>> I've not got the cash or inclination to buy but would love
to hear what
>> people make of this, it's a great insight into what goes on
in manufacture.
>> Does anyone know what the green machine with flames does?
>> What's in the cans? (I'd guess getter compound maybe ).
>> Looking at the Q&A so far it implies that the digits have
to be made with
>> the supplied "know how" ... photo etching techniques and
recipies perhaps?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> � � � �Robin.
>>
>> P.S. � �I guess I should introduce myself :) Hi, I'm
Robin from the UK, a
>> software and hardware computer guy with a nascent ebay
nixie acquisition
>> habit but only a few breadboard rigs actually built yet.
Here's "hello
>> world" from my first PIC and nixie setup:
�https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqxDZUYhl2s
>> Day job is R&D at a company fitting out emergency service
command and
>> control vehicles with tech, weekend job is pyrotechnician
with skyburst.
>> I'm currently spending most of my time in bed with a laptop
due to a broken
>> ankle, bah!
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Fascinating ebay sale ... apparently IN-18 production gear!

[Adam Jacobs]

There definitely has to be a very limited sort of customer base for an 
auction such as this one.


Kind of reminds me of the Polaroid film "Impossible Project" people.. 
They bought the old factory, all of the equipment, and even hired back a 
ton of the employees. I'm still floored that there is enough of a niche 
customer base for that business to stay afloat.


-Adam

On 5/8/2013 3:15 PM, Nicholas Stock wrote:
Take a look at the question and answer section of the listing...the 
seller does say that the stamps for the bases are included.with pins


This listing has been going for a while now...he's had a few offers 
that he's declined by the looks of it too..


Nick


On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:59 PM, kay486 > wrote:


The tins contain getters actually. But the thing is that most
likely they wouldnt be working by now. Also the most important
thing that is missing there are the tube bases with the metal to
glass seals. You can easily etch the anode grid and cathodes. But
you wouldnt be able to make the bases.
All in all, there is no wa you would make money on that. It would
be just an interesting project to work on.

On Wednesday, 8 May 2013 22:50:22 UTC+1, bani wrote:

What's in the tins?

I don't see these in the pics:
* grid meshes
* digit wire
* getters

-Dan

On Wed, 8 May 2013, dr pepper wrote:

> Looking at it you'd also need a air compressor and a power
press for
> the press tooling.
>
> A visit to the seller would be a good idea to see what is
included.
>
> Setting up producing those tubes might be profitable, however
> allthough not absolutely necessary you'd really need to
speak to one
> of the setters or production workers that ran the original
production
> line, so you'd need to speak russian.
>
> On 6 May, 11:23, Zedsquared  wrote:
>> This is interesting!
>>
>> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261172534593
>>
>> I've not got the cash or inclination to buy but would love
to hear what
>> people make of this, it's a great insight into what goes on
in manufacture.
>> Does anyone know what the green machine with flames does?
>> What's in the cans? (I'd guess getter compound maybe ).
>> Looking at the Q&A so far it implies that the digits have
to be made with
>> the supplied "know how" ... photo etching techniques and
recipies perhaps?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> � � � �Robin.
>>
>> P.S. � �I guess I should introduce myself :) Hi, I'm
Robin from the UK, a
>> software and hardware computer guy with a nascent ebay
nixie acquisition
>> habit but only a few breadboard rigs actually built yet.
Here's "hello
>> world" from my first PIC and nixie setup:
�https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqxDZUYhl2s
>> Day job is R&D at a company fitting out emergency service
command and
>> control vehicles with tech, weekend job is pyrotechnician
with skyburst.
>> I'm currently spending most of my time in bed with a laptop
due to a broken
>> ankle, bah!
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Fascinating ebay sale ... apparently IN-18 production gear!

[Nicholas Stock]

Take a look at the question and answer section of the listing...the seller
does say that the stamps for the bases are included.with pins

This listing has been going for a while now...he's had a few offers that
he's declined by the looks of it too..

Nick


On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:59 PM, kay486  wrote:

> The tins contain getters actually. But the thing is that most likely they
> wouldnt be working by now. Also the most important thing that is missing
> there are the tube bases with the metal to glass seals. You can easily etch
> the anode grid and cathodes. But you wouldnt be able to make the bases.
> All in all, there is no wa you would make money on that. It would be just
> an interesting project to work on.
>
> On Wednesday, 8 May 2013 22:50:22 UTC+1, bani wrote:
>>
>> What's in the tins?
>>
>> I don't see these in the pics:
>> * grid meshes
>> * digit wire
>> * getters
>>
>> -Dan
>>
>> On Wed, 8 May 2013, dr pepper wrote:
>>
>> > Looking at it you'd also need a air compressor and a power press for
>> > the press tooling.
>> >
>> > A visit to the seller would be a good idea to see what is included.
>> >
>> > Setting up producing those tubes might be profitable, however
>> > allthough not absolutely necessary you'd really need to speak to one
>> > of the setters or production workers that ran the original production
>> > line, so you'd need to speak russian.
>> >
>> > On 6 May, 11:23, Zedsquared  wrote:
>> >> This is interesting!
>> >>
>> >> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/**261172534593
>> >>
>> >> I've not got the cash or inclination to buy but would love to hear
>> what
>> >> people make of this, it's a great insight into what goes on in
>> manufacture.
>> >> Does anyone know what the green machine with flames does?
>> >> What's in the cans? (I'd guess getter compound maybe ).
>> >> Looking at the Q&A so far it implies that the digits have to be made
>> with
>> >> the supplied "know how" ... photo etching techniques and recipies
>> perhaps?
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> � � � �Robin.
>> >>
>> >> P.S. � �I guess I should introduce myself :) Hi, I'm Robin from
>> the UK, a
>> >> software and hardware computer guy with a nascent ebay nixie
>> acquisition
>> >> habit but only a few breadboard rigs actually built yet. Here's "hello
>> >> world" from my first PIC and nixie setup: �https://www.youtube.com/*
>> *watch?v=AqxDZUYhl2s 
>> >> Day job is R&D at a company fitting out emergency service command and
>> >> control vehicles with tech, weekend job is pyrotechnician with
>> skyburst.
>> >> I'm currently spending most of my time in bed with a laptop due to a
>> broken
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Fascinating ebay sale ... apparently IN-18 production gear!

[kay486]

The tins contain getters actually. But the thing is that most likely they 
wouldnt be working by now. Also the most important thing that is missing 
there are the tube bases with the metal to glass seals. You can easily etch 
the anode grid and cathodes. But you wouldnt be able to make the bases.
All in all, there is no wa you would make money on that. It would be just 
an interesting project to work on.

On Wednesday, 8 May 2013 22:50:22 UTC+1, bani wrote:
>
> What's in the tins? 
>
> I don't see these in the pics: 
> * grid meshes 
> * digit wire 
> * getters 
>
> -Dan 
>
> On Wed, 8 May 2013, dr pepper wrote: 
>
> > Looking at it you'd also need a air compressor and a power press for 
> > the press tooling. 
> > 
> > A visit to the seller would be a good idea to see what is included. 
> > 
> > Setting up producing those tubes might be profitable, however 
> > allthough not absolutely necessary you'd really need to speak to one 
> > of the setters or production workers that ran the original production 
> > line, so you'd need to speak russian. 
> > 
> > On 6 May, 11:23, Zedsquared  wrote: 
> >> This is interesting! 
> >> 
> >> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261172534593 
> >> 
> >> I've not got the cash or inclination to buy but would love to hear what 
> >> people make of this, it's a great insight into what goes on in 
> manufacture. 
> >> Does anyone know what the green machine with flames does? 
> >> What's in the cans? (I'd guess getter compound maybe ). 
> >> Looking at the Q&A so far it implies that the digits have to be made 
> with 
> >> the supplied "know how" ... photo etching techniques and recipies 
> perhaps? 
> >> 
> >> Cheers, 
> >> � � � �Robin. 
> >> 
> >> P.S. � �I guess I should introduce myself :) Hi, I'm Robin from the 
> UK, a 
> >> software and hardware computer guy with a nascent ebay nixie 
> acquisition 
> >> habit but only a few breadboard rigs actually built yet. Here's "hello 
> >> world" from my first PIC and nixie setup: �
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqxDZUYhl2s 
> >> Day job is R&D at a company fitting out emergency service command and 
> >> control vehicles with tech, weekend job is pyrotechnician with 
> skyburst. 
> >> I'm currently spending most of my time in bed with a laptop due to a 
> broken 
> >> ankle, bah! 
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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Fascinating ebay sale ... apparently IN-18 production gear!

[Dan Hollis]

What's in the tins?

I don't see these in the pics:
* grid meshes
* digit wire
* getters

-Dan

On Wed, 8 May 2013, dr pepper wrote:


Looking at it you'd also need a air compressor and a power press for
the press tooling.

A visit to the seller would be a good idea to see what is included.

Setting up producing those tubes might be profitable, however
allthough not absolutely necessary you'd really need to speak to one
of the setters or production workers that ran the original production
line, so you'd need to speak russian.

On 6 May, 11:23, Zedsquared  wrote:

This is interesting!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261172534593

I've not got the cash or inclination to buy but would love to hear what
people make of this, it's a great insight into what goes on in manufacture.
Does anyone know what the green machine with flames does?
What's in the cans? (I'd guess getter compound maybe ).
Looking at the Q&A so far it implies that the digits have to be made with
the supplied "know how" ... photo etching techniques and recipies perhaps?

Cheers,
       Robin.

P.S.    I guess I should introduce myself :) Hi, I'm Robin from the UK, a
software and hardware computer guy with a nascent ebay nixie acquisition
habit but only a few breadboard rigs actually built yet. Here's "hello
world" from my first PIC and nixie setup:  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqxDZUYhl2s
Day job is R&D at a company fitting out emergency service command and
control vehicles with tech, weekend job is pyrotechnician with skyburst.
I'm currently spending most of my time in bed with a laptop due to a broken
ankle, bah!


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[neonixie-l] Re: Fascinating ebay sale ... apparently IN-18 production gear!

[dr pepper]

Looking at it you'd also need a air compressor and a power press for
the press tooling.

A visit to the seller would be a good idea to see what is included.

Setting up producing those tubes might be profitable, however
allthough not absolutely necessary you'd really need to speak to one
of the setters or production workers that ran the original production
line, so you'd need to speak russian.

On 6 May, 11:23, Zedsquared  wrote:
> This is interesting!
>
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261172534593
>
> I've not got the cash or inclination to buy but would love to hear what
> people make of this, it's a great insight into what goes on in manufacture.
> Does anyone know what the green machine with flames does?
> What's in the cans? (I'd guess getter compound maybe ).
> Looking at the Q&A so far it implies that the digits have to be made with
> the supplied "know how" ... photo etching techniques and recipies perhaps?
>
> Cheers,
>        Robin.
>
> P.S.    I guess I should introduce myself :) Hi, I'm Robin from the UK, a
> software and hardware computer guy with a nascent ebay nixie acquisition
> habit but only a few breadboard rigs actually built yet. Here's "hello
> world" from my first PIC and nixie setup:  
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqxDZUYhl2s
> Day job is R&D at a company fitting out emergency service command and
> control vehicles with tech, weekend job is pyrotechnician with skyburst.
> I'm currently spending most of my time in bed with a laptop due to a broken
> ankle, bah!

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[neonixie-l] Re: Fascinating ebay sale ... apparently IN-18 production gear!

[dr pepper]

Sorry I'll correct one of my statements, I didnt mean to say empty
boxes, I meant sealed up boxes, so you cant actually see what your
getting.

On 8 May, 22:21, dr pepper  wrote:
> A very interesting ebay item there.
>
> You'd also need an air compressor and a power press to suit the
> tooling.
>
> I think the machine with the flame torches is for assembling the base
> and tube sections of the nixies, maybe someone here knows more about
> the prod side of things.
>
> Not everything you need is mentioned and a lot of the pics are empty
> boxes so you'd need to go and have a look at the kit, there could be a
> load missing, preferrably with someone who knows the process, which is
> rare now.
>
> Its quite possible the seller doesnt know much about the tubes, its
> just some factory clearance bloke or someone who worked in a russian
> nixie production plant and ended up with some stuff heading for the
> skip.
>
> Those tubes fetch a few quid, so if you did get all the special
> tooling and everything setup right it might be worth while, however
> I'd expect without one of the setters or knowledgeable production
> people to help you it'd be a bit of a long haul.
>
> On 6 May, 11:23, Zedsquared  wrote:
>
>
>
> > This is interesting!
>
> >http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261172534593
>
> > I've not got the cash or inclination to buy but would love to hear what
> > people make of this, it's a great insight into what goes on in manufacture.
> > Does anyone know what the green machine with flames does?
> > What's in the cans? (I'd guess getter compound maybe ).
> > Looking at the Q&A so far it implies that the digits have to be made with
> > the supplied "know how" ... photo etching techniques and recipies perhaps?
>
> > Cheers,
> >        Robin.
>
> > P.S.    I guess I should introduce myself :) Hi, I'm Robin from the UK, a
> > software and hardware computer guy with a nascent ebay nixie acquisition
> > habit but only a few breadboard rigs actually built yet. Here's "hello
> > world" from my first PIC and nixie setup:  
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqxDZUYhl2s
> > Day job is R&D at a company fitting out emergency service command and
> > control vehicles with tech, weekend job is pyrotechnician with skyburst.
> > I'm currently spending most of my time in bed with a laptop due to a broken
> > ankle, bah!- Hide quoted text -
>
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[neonixie-l] Re: Fascinating ebay sale ... apparently IN-18 production gear!

[dr pepper]

A very interesting ebay item there.

You'd also need an air compressor and a power press to suit the
tooling.

I think the machine with the flame torches is for assembling the base
and tube sections of the nixies, maybe someone here knows more about
the prod side of things.

Not everything you need is mentioned and a lot of the pics are empty
boxes so you'd need to go and have a look at the kit, there could be a
load missing, preferrably with someone who knows the process, which is
rare now.

Its quite possible the seller doesnt know much about the tubes, its
just some factory clearance bloke or someone who worked in a russian
nixie production plant and ended up with some stuff heading for the
skip.

Those tubes fetch a few quid, so if you did get all the special
tooling and everything setup right it might be worth while, however
I'd expect without one of the setters or knowledgeable production
people to help you it'd be a bit of a long haul.

On 6 May, 11:23, Zedsquared  wrote:
> This is interesting!
>
> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261172534593
>
> I've not got the cash or inclination to buy but would love to hear what
> people make of this, it's a great insight into what goes on in manufacture.
> Does anyone know what the green machine with flames does?
> What's in the cans? (I'd guess getter compound maybe ).
> Looking at the Q&A so far it implies that the digits have to be made with
> the supplied "know how" ... photo etching techniques and recipies perhaps?
>
> Cheers,
>        Robin.
>
> P.S.    I guess I should introduce myself :) Hi, I'm Robin from the UK, a
> software and hardware computer guy with a nascent ebay nixie acquisition
> habit but only a few breadboard rigs actually built yet. Here's "hello
> world" from my first PIC and nixie setup:  
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqxDZUYhl2s
> Day job is R&D at a company fitting out emergency service command and
> control vehicles with tech, weekend job is pyrotechnician with skyburst.
> I'm currently spending most of my time in bed with a laptop due to a broken
> ankle, bah!

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