Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Making Nixie Tubes

2011-06-14 Thread John Rehwinkel
 What is the 'ceramic paint', visible in many Russian nixies, deketrons and
 vfd tubes?
 May be this ia an good alternative for home-made tubes!

 It's called Glass Frit, or Frit glass.

I don't think that's the same thing.  Frit glass is used to seal incompatible 
or delicate glasses together by sintering (like the end mirrors in soft seal 
HeNe tubes).  I suspect Eric is asking about the white paint on the internal 
leads and structures of nixies, presumably to discourage a discharge between 
the leads, so it will be confined to the desired location on the cathodes.

I wouldn't be surprised if it's similar to the powdered alumina suspension that 
vacuum tube heaters are dipped in to insulate them from the cathodes.  It's a 
similar color, it's known to be an insulator, and it doesn't spoil a vacuum.

According to this page:

http://www.thevalvepage.com/valvetek/heater/heater.htm

This suspension is composed of a very pure, fused and milled alumina, in a 
solution of methanol, aluminium nitrate salt, and distilled water.

- John KG4L

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RE: [neonixie-l] Re: Making Nixie Tubes

2011-06-13 Thread Tidak Ada
What is the 'ceramic paint', visible in many Russian nixies, deketrons and
vfd tubes?
May be this ia an good alternative for home-made tubes!
 
eric

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On Jun 1, 2:07 pm, John Rehwinkel jreh...@mac.com wrote:
  Does anyone know what the insulation material used between the 
  cathodes is? It looks like it might be a tiny ceramic bead, but now 
  we're wondering if it is really mica.

 Depends on the nixie.  I've seen ceramic, mica, and glass.  Any would
work, I imagine.

 I got a quote for tiny ceramic rings for this purpose, but it was too 
 expensive for me.  Perhaps glass seed beads would work (I've used these to
make crackle neon tubing, and they worked fine).
 You'd have to make your support rods thin enough to fit through the beads,
naturally.

One thing you usually can't see without disassembling a nixie, is that most
of them have a section of tiny glass tubing that's fit over each metal
support post, before the cathodes and ceramic spacers are threaded on.

A.J.

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Re: [neonixie-l] Re: Making Nixie Tubes

2011-06-13 Thread Per Jensen
It's called Glass Frit, or Frit glass.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frit

// Per.


On 13/06/2011, at 23.34, Tidak Ada wrote:

 What is the 'ceramic paint', visible in many Russian nixies, deketrons and
 vfd tubes?
 May be this ia an good alternative for home-made tubes!
 
 eric

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[neonixie-l] Re: Making Nixie Tubes

2011-06-01 Thread A.J. Franzman

On Jun 1, 2:07 pm, John Rehwinkel jreh...@mac.com wrote:
  Does anyone know what the insulation material used between the
  cathodes is? It looks like it might be a tiny ceramic bead, but now
  we're wondering if it is really mica.

 Depends on the nixie.  I've seen ceramic, mica, and glass.  Any would work, I 
 imagine.

 I got a quote for tiny ceramic rings for this purpose, but it was too 
 expensive for me.  Perhaps
 glass seed beads would work (I've used these to make crackle neon tubing, and 
 they worked fine).
 You'd have to make your support rods thin enough to fit through the beads, 
 naturally.

One thing you usually can't see without disassembling a nixie, is that
most of them have a section of tiny glass tubing that's fit over each
metal support post, before the cathodes and ceramic spacers are
threaded on.

A.J.

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