Re: [NetBehaviour] a little project

[Kath O'Donnell]

love them, Michael. I too like the notes attached to the gps drawings.
they're a great way to capture memories and overlay your stories onto the
streets/physical space.

thanks for the tip on Strava too - will check this out.

not sure if this is of interest, but years ago Ivan Pope had a 'gps for
artists' workshop on the Isle of Wight and I went along (when I 'lived' in
UK), as I'd been seeing 'gps drawings' online (people on bikes riding the
streets making drawings from the roads & their gps tracks). I was at the
start of lots of work travel trips & had just bought a gps handheld device.
over the years I captured lots of tracks from different places, took
photos, but didn't always get them mapped together - some are on my old
blog. an older version of drupal had a maps/gps track module so I could
attach the track data file and it would display it on the blog posts
automatically - some I added photos also. but I broke the module/posts
years later after a series of drupal updates & have never got round to
fixing them (so if you check the links some posts look empty, others just
have a couple of pics - 'one day' I'll fix them). I loaded some into google
earth sometimes too. and into gps visualizer which just gave me the line
drawings without the map underneath - these were my favourites. later that
year I did a max/msp course too over a few weekends and during the classes
I worked on a gps drawing data music patch (with a lot of help from our
teacher, sebastian lexer @ goldsmiths). the patch just uses the gps data as
inputs to a processing filter, but again, 'one day' I was going to use them
to generate sounds from the walks/drives.

anyway, love your drawings & recollections - it's fun working with spatial
data, to collect memories in another way.

http://aliak.com/gps_data has some of them (lots of track data collected
since 2005 but not put online)
Ivan Pope presents A Locative Day Out:
http://aliak.com/content/workshop-gps-artists-background-info
gps data music patch
http://aliak.com/content/maxmsp-course-goldsmiths-college-london-gps-data-music-patch-project

On 15 April 2017 at 03:48, James Morris  wrote:

> Hi Michael,
>
> Any reason you haven't used Strava for this? Combined with Instagram, it
> does everything you're talking about I think.
>
> The Strava app uses your mobile's GPS to log your route, add a title and
> description/notes, etc. Instagram photos you take during the activity are
> automatically associated (once a/c linked). Various add-ons such as
> relive.cc
>
> An example of one of my rides:
>
> https://www.strava.com/activities/758410407
> http://labs.strava.com/flyby/viewer/#758410407?c=u10u5crc&z=C&t=1O4qSJ
> https://www.relive.cc/view/758410407
>
> James.
>
>
>
> On 13/04/17 14:13, Michael Szpakowski wrote:
>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/szpako/albums/72157676652502324
>>
>>
>>
>>  Last summer, after a gap ofsome years, I started running daily again. I
>> did this because I had stoppedtaking a small dose of an antidepressant and
>> although I was careful to withdrawslowly it hit me hard - I experienced a
>> renewed depression and anxiety whichwas much worse than that which I had
>> originally taken the drugs to combat. Iwas unwilling, though, to return to
>> the drugs if I could possibly avoid this.The running helped me copeand, as
>> I get slowly better, continues to do so.In early 2017 I starteddocumenting
>> some of my runs using the ‘measure distance’ function on Googlemaps,
>> taking a screenshot of theresulting image and posting it to the photo
>> sharing service Flickr. I have beeninterested for a long time in things
>> that somehow hover between image, diagramand text and this seemed like a
>> fruitful example of that. Once I’d made andposted a few these it seemed
>> only natural to append to the image somecommentary on my run, things and
>> people seen and noted, my state of mind, theweather… a kind of highly
>> compressed diary superimposed on the rundocumentation and something which
>> fitted with my long standing interest in theway that the internet allowed
>> very naturally for long form aggregations ofoften diverse and lapidary
>> components. (For years, from 2003 to the presentday, I have been making
>> small videos and posting them to the internet, apractice I have compared to
>> the Japanese literary form Zuihitsu, literally‘following the brush’ - a
>> kind of miscellany.)Each piece takes quite along time to make and I’m very
>> conscious of working against the clock tocomplete and post each one. I’m
>> also mindful that, although I work hard to makemy texts flow, sometimes, to
>> meet my self-imposed requirement of posting on thesame day as I run, I have
>> to accept a certain improvisatory quality (whichmight be a polite way of
>> saying the texts are not always as polished as I wouldideally like.)I was
>> deeply involved inalmost the first wave of ‘net-art’ - it brought me into
>> image wrangling andgave me an opportunity to have people look at my work
>> an

Re: [NetBehaviour] It Had To Be Done

[Kath O'Donnell]

thanks a lot for this. I thought it might be the reference but wasn't sure.
I haven't come across the other data types in the blockchain payload yet -
I like the cryptograffiti. makes me think perhaps one day some of those
chains might be collector's items, since only a single copy makes them
rare(ish) - collect some bitcoins with short encoded/compressed text
messages, or a serial story? or something. have to trade them with others
to read the whole message. though perhaps since they're all logged,
anyone/all can read the contents anyway, so not as rare (thinking off top
of my head, when I should be sleeping). I still need to learn more about
this so all your links are really useful. I'll try take a look at a packet
to learn more.

On 28 July 2016 at 07:15, Rob Myers  wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Jul 2016, at 09:40 PM, Kath O'Donnell wrote:
>
> Hi Rob, do you mean that the blockchain art is carried within the
> blockchain itself? or does the blockchain contain a reference to the
> artwork, where it exists externally (online/physical). how large is each
> blockchain piece and can it carry other data than hex(?) numbers.
>
>
> In MTAA's original, the flashing sign identifies what appear to be network
> cable directly linking two Macintosh computers as the "here".  It's a
> playful response to the question of where the art is in net art.
>
> In my shameless borrowing it's a schematic "block" in an image of the kind
> that you get if you google for "blockchain diagram" (see the "preparatory"
> folder of the project for ones I didn't use). This is a slightly more
> plausible site for some sort of art than a wire, but only slightly.
>
> The Bitcoin blockchain contains a reference to this particular image (in
> the block the image mentions), but not the image itself. There are various
> systems that work like this:
>
> https://www.proofofexistence.com/
>
> https://www.ascribe.io/
>
> https://monegraph.com/
>
> You can upload images and other media into the blockchain, although this
> is generally frowned upon as "bloat":
>
> http://www.cryptograffiti.info/
>
> http://www.righto.com/2014/02/ascii-bernanke-wikileaks-photographs.html
>
> Each Bitcoin block at present can store at most 1MB of data. You can put
> larger blobs of data into it, split over many transactions in several
> blocks, but see above note about "bloat". :-)
>
> You can create references to or upload anything that can be represented
> digitally, certainly including text, images, sound and video. Cryptographic
> hashing is fun. I put the hash of my genome on the blockchain to prove that
> I exist:
>
> http://robmyers.org/proof-of-existence/
>
> putting all 20MB of my genome on there would have been a bad idea for
> privacy reasons as well as bloat ones.
>
> There are different blockchains that can store different things (NameCoin
> for internet address data, Counterparty for generalised tokens, Twister for
> microblogging, Ethereum for programs). There are also much more efficient
> ways of storing media and having conversations that nonetheless play nice
> with blockchains (IPFS, Storj and Swarm are all good ways of doing this).
>
> There's surprisingly little art in the blockchain itself as far as I know.
> This is a shame as I find it a very interesting environment technologically
> and socially, and prime real estate for net art style play. I'd be very
> interested to hear about any projects people have created or seen.
>
> Bonus links to more of my projects and writing on the subject:
>
> http://robmyers.org/abcd/
>
> http://robmyers.org/category/crypto/
>
> :-)
>
> - Rob.
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Re: [NetBehaviour] It Had To Be Done

[Kath O'Donnell]

Hi Rob, do you mean that the blockchain art is carried within the
blockchain itself? or does the blockchain contain a reference to the
artwork, where it exists externally (online/physical). how large is each
blockchain piece and can it carry other data than hex(?) numbers.
thanks

On 27 July 2016 at 14:13, Rob Myers  wrote:

> http://robmyers.org/2016/07/26/simple-blockchain-art-diagram/
>
> Simple Blockchain Art Diagram, 2016, digital media. After MTAA ca. 1997.
>
> Very obviously adapted from MTAA's "Simple Net Art Diagram".
>
> Proofs of existence stored in Bitcoin block 422422 and 422423.
>
> More details on the project page.
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Epistemic Accelerationism [Was Re: Accelerationism]

[Kath O'Donnell]

Serenity below sounds like IP VLAN address allocation? you manage your
allocated ranges assigned to you by an organization, which fit in with the
whole global IPv4/IPv6 range. IPv6 being the expanded range as IPv4 is
running out of spares.

On 6 May 2016 at 15:25, Rob Myers  wrote:

>
> > Rob can you say more about the Casper algorithm?
>
> Oops I meant Serenity (so. many. codenames.). Here's a technical
> description:
>
> https://github.com/ethereum/EIPs/issues/53
>
> The problem it addresses is that, as any Bitcoin hater will tell you,
> "the blockchain doesn't scale". Rather than try to make it quicker or
> more efficient to fetch and store all the information needed to keep
> track of the state of the entire world('s worth of transactions) every
> ten seconds, Serenity makes it so that you only have to keep track of
> the subset of the world('s transactions) that you are interested in for
> your own security.
>
> These subsets of the world('s transactions) are known as "shards", a
> term taken from traditional databases. Each shard, and the code and
> value within it, is isolated from the others unless it takes special
> measures to access them. This means that you only need the data for the
> shard you are working within, not any others.
>
> If the classic blockchain looks like a post-relativistic universe with a
> unified/God's-eye view of the information it contains, a sharded
> blockchain looks very much relativistic with local frames of reference.
> Local rather than global truth. But the information contained within
> each shard must ultimately be reconcilable with the global state. Where
> communication takes place across shards, it cannot contradict the state
> of the contents of either shard.
>
> So I may be overreaching, but I think this is a nice example of a system
> that is locally specific but globally reconcilable. Which obviously
> relates to philosophy of science and to neo-rationalism.
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Re: [NetBehaviour] My name is [Your Name Here] and I am an Accelerationist

[Kath O'Donnell]

thank you Marc. I hadn't read the manifesto - I was on my ipad earlier and
it did something weird with the url and didn't load the page - it's working
ok on my computer now though.

ok after reading this more, perhaps I am more aligned to accelerationism
than I first thought. lots to think about in any case. I don't know enough
about the economics parts of it all to comment much on those

from the manifesto:
>> 2.. "What has instead occurred is the progressive elimination of the
work-life distinction, with work coming to permeate every aspect of the
emerging social factory"
I agree that this has happened. I feel it personally in my life at least

>> 3. "Capitalism has begun to constrain the productive forces of
technology, or at least, direct them towards needlessly narrow ends."
I can see their point here too - it seems our tech advances are for
consumerist gains/profit. why can't those clever qants be put to work
solving medical problems or helping to prevent poverty instead of making
internet search and ads algorithms more efficient.

>> 7. "Technology and the social are intimately bound up with one another,
and changes in either potentiate and reinforce changes in the other."
yes, agree, both need to be there not one/tech on its own

>> 12. "We do not believe that direct action is sufficient to achieve any
of this."
I see their point with this and agree, though I think direct action can be
useful as one tool in your toolkit/box. seeing mass protests overseas has
been encouraging to see how people in other countries are thinking on
certain issues. and I think it can help you think you are helping to affect
change.

>> 13. "What is needed — what has always been needed — is an ecology of
organisations, a pluralism of forces, resonating and feeding back on their
comparative strengths."
agree with this. nodes in the network. I think of this like network routing
rules - some are default, some are quicker, some are slower. and hopefully
you don't get stuck in a closed loop & can't get out to the wider wan

>> 17. "We need to construct wide-scale media reform."
that would be nice. I think it might be a generation away though. perhaps
once the major players' leaders leave things might start to change more.
getting people in power to give up their power isn't an easy thing to do.

>> 19. "A positive feedback loop of infrastructural, ideological, social
and economic transformation, generating a new complex hegemony, a new
post-capitalist technosocial platform."
having the feedback loops, yes - like cybernetics' mechanisms. I think we
do need this to be able to adjust as we go & know what's working and what's
not. I think it would need to be a key/integral part of the mechanism, not
an after thought, otherwise it could hinder decision making.


via Marc:
>> I view my relationship with Accelerationism as something one would not
choose to live with, but have come to terms with.
this is a good way of thinking - I guess we have to do this with all 'ism'
as we're living / coming to terms with the effects of Capitalism


On 1 May 2016 at 21:57, marc garrett  wrote:
[snip]

>
>
> Have you read ‘#ACCELERATE MANIFESTO for an Accelerationist Politics
>
> by Alex Williams and Nick Srnicek ‘? - http://bit.ly/1W0jyD0
>
>
>
> The above is linked among other reading materials suggested on the
> Furtherfield page ‘We Need to Talk About Accelerationism’ -
> http://bit.ly/1Uk8HU2
>
>
>
[snip]

>
>
>
> I view my relationship with Accelerationism as something one would not
> choose to live with, but have come to terms with.
>
>
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Re: [NetBehaviour] My name is [Your Name Here] and I am an Accelerationist

[Kath O'Donnell]

catching up on these discussions. my mind has been offline for past month
or so, not taking in any new input.

stil getting my head around the term and its impact or method relating to
art.

my first thought was that I wanted to slow down too, so I enjoyed Ruth's
response to Annie's post below.
I think from a pov of technology, things are moving ahead quickly, with
agile comes lots of bugs and regression issues though, and often no time to
go back and mend. we need both mending/support for systems as well as
forward movement. and so far wrt working with progression of tech, it seems
that the idea of letting the machines do the work was a broken promise.
it's a job for life keeping them running, they're not self sufficient yet.
perhaps I was more of an Accelerationist when younger/in the early 90s, but
less so now. am enjoying reading the discussions though. I'm interested in
the accelerationist art/aesthetic examples to gain a better idea of what
they would mean/look like.

I did find it ironic the accelerationist reader is only available in print
form, not pdf/ebook? perhaps I haven't searched wide enough yet for the
ebook version

On Friday, 22 April 2016, ruth catlow  wrote:

> Dear Annie, Dave, Alan and Paul,
>
> Annie you asked
> "I want to slow down, to be attentive, to touch - can that be part of
> Accelerationisme?"
>
> Yes. I think so.
> This is less about speed (as distinct from Futurism) than it is about
> rates of change.
>
> The technologies that we use are bound up with with advanced capitalism.
> We watch our political and social infrastructures unable to evolve fast
> enough to solve the wicked problems - for environment, democracy, justice
> and a good life- than they create.
>
> I think we can take two attitudes
>
> 1) Save ourselves! Take what we can carry, run for the hills and build the
> best fortresses we can with people whose values we share.
>
> or
>
> 2) coordinate and collaborate in the higher interests of all living beings
> - constantly working out who and what these are- and using all means at our
> disposal.
>
> I like the idea of living in the hills.
> But not under siege, and not in earshot of future generations of bemused,
> brutalised, alienated people.
>
> The dominant model of global coexistence is that of endless economic
> growth and Neoliberalism (the (increasingly automated) marketization of
> everything). This  tends to centralize power and resources and renders less
> effective the usual ways of blocking and resisting; of work-based and
> traditional-identity based solidarity.
>
> Instead Contemporary Accelerationism suggests (I think) that we use in new
> combinations all the tools, tactics, and knowledges in an attempt to
> perform a series of judo moves (using the force rather than resisting the
> force), or to sling-shot our way through the mess we are in.
>
> As always, there needs to be a way to accommodate the visions and madcap
> schemes of all sorts- many islands rather than one land mass as Paul said.
> That's why this discussion here and now.
>
> Respect!
> Ruth
>
> On 21/04/16 12:01, Annie Abrahams wrote:
>
> My name is Annie Abrahams and I don't know if I am an Accelerationist.
> I don't like the word and I know that words are not innocent.
> I do like Ruth and I know she never is completely wrong.
>
> Why in the first place I should think about it? Modernism, the Postmodern,
> the New Aesthetics, Post Internet Art - just names, almost forgotten names
> - containers that served to categorize discussions, postures ... analyses?
> perspectives?
>
> Is Accelerationisme the most recent one in this row?
> What should we discuss ... ?
> Accelerate? What is knowledge in this frame, how is it constructed? Is it
> a-historical? Is it prospective?
>
> I want to slow down, to be attentive, to touch - can that be part of
> Accelerationisme?
>
> (to be continued)
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 11:37 AM, ruth catlow <
> ruth.cat...@furtherfield.org
> > wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> My name is Ruth Catlow,
>> and I am an Accelerationist.
>>
>> Back in 1996 
>> (to be continued)
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Join Neterarti - it's like twitter but for art.

[Kath O'Donnell]

I like it, very familiar : https://quitter.se/robmyers

are we allowed to invite artist friend to join? or is it for netbehaviour-l
only at this stage


On 22 January 2016 at 12:44, Rob Myers  wrote:

> On 2016-01-21 10:20, aharon wrote:
>
>> On Thu, January 21, 2016 17:50, helen varley jamieson wrote:
>>
>>> following people is a bit unintuitive; isn't there a way to follow
>>> someone
>>> from a post?
>>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> just an idea. perhpas adding the quitter theme could make the interface
>> more twitter-like/familiar..?
>> https://github.com/hannesmannerheim/neo-quitter
>>
>
> If it's the one used at - https://quitter.se/robmyers
>
> What do people think?
>
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Join Neterarti - it's like twitter but for art.

[Kath O'Donnell]

I like it, thanks for setting it up. when I joined twitter it was to talk
to videobloggers. it'll be nice to have a space for art. maybe some
projects will come out of it too?


On 21 January 2016 at 16:22, Ana Valdés  wrote:

> Haha I hope we are not going to need block spamers offering to buy 5000
> followers for 4.95 :)
> Den 21 jan 2016 05:16 skrev "Rob Myers" :
>
>> On 20/01/16 08:44 PM, Ana Valdés wrote:
>> > I don't find any "follow" button. I want stalk a lot of great ppl :)
>>
>> At the top right there's a carefully hidden "Subscribe" button on
>> people's profile pages (e.g. https://neterarti.furtherfield.org/marc ).
>>
>> There's a block button under that as well for the opposite scenario. :-)
>>
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Communication in Online Communities

[Kath O'Donnell]

I hope the email list remains too.

even though email is public (especially when lists are archived), it
'feels' more private, as it's coming directly to my account and I can
choose when/if to read it, or to skip inbox/archive to folder to read (or
not) later. I like the 'push' part of it
I try read as many of the NB emails as I can though don't often reply.
I don't mind trying other systems also, though I do tend to stick to a very
small number of sites/tabs that I regularly read + the random/irregular
ones when surfing.
plus email folders are easier to search if I remember something and want to
find it again. much better than facebook. blogs can be OK for this, but I
have most luck with email.
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Re: [NetBehaviour] dismal news

[Kath O'Donnell]

it's shocking to hear of so many people fleeing Syria and other countries.
what kind of world is this where they are turned away.
meanwhile in Australia, our borders are shamefully, effectively closed to
refugees, our prime minister is now considering supporting US with air
strikes in Syria and his 'border force' team are planning on checking
everyone's visas in Melbourne CBD on the weekend. it's like they think
we're in 1939 Germany or something.
I hope something can be done to help the refugees. it seems like a forced
population shift is going on atm
I haven't read the philosophers' take on it all.

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/aug/23/tony-abbott-to-decide-on-joining-fight-against-islamic-state-after-us-talks
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-28/border-force-to-check-visas-on-the-streets-of-melbourne/6732086

On 28 August 2015 at 11:19, Alan Sondheim  wrote:

>
> which in a weird way is why I hate theory - sure the whole economy is
> going towards Franciscan, everyone will wise up, I don't know how this
> connects to anything but I don't know how Zizek connects to anything, all
> this theory, people being slaughtered in the meantime -
>
> - Alan, if you do get more insight into Agamben please publish, thanks
>
> On Thu, 27 Aug 2015, Johannes Birringer wrote:
>
>
>> dear BishopZ you have not heard of the thousands and millions of refugees
>> and migrants who are flooding into northwest Europe from the middle east,
>> africa, and the balkans (e.g. Kosovo) ? there are more than 1.5. million
>> refugees alone trying to leave Syria and Iraq. Have you heard of refugee
>> camps being attacked by right wing radicals, who fought police in east
>> germany last week, and the turmoil at the camps in Calais?
>>
>> strangely, philosophers are writing their comments, and today V. Agamben
>> published an interview calling for "Europe must collapse" and suggesting a
>> new refuge or exit policy, that he calls 'd?soeuvrement' or 'inoperosit?'
>> (destitution or deactivation of the economy, the law, biology). I have not
>> really a clear idea what that means, but the examples given are the
>> Fransiccan monks and the idea of withdrawal to poverty and automomy in a
>> cloister. I do not know how this connects to the US election campaign,
>> sorry.
>>
>>
>> regards
>> Johannes Birringer
>> 
>>
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Re: [NetBehaviour] vipassanūpakkilesa

[Kath O'Donnell]

yes, it was advice from my first boss years ago. whenever someone tries
puts stress onto you, hold up the stress mirror and bounce it back.

On 26 April 2015 at 22:12, Mark Hancock  wrote:

> Kath,
>
> Thank you. I like that, it feels like a ritual for cleansing of negativity
> (or avoiding it in the first place?).
>
> M
>
> On 26 Apr 2015, at 02:41, Kath O'Donnell  wrote:
>
> I like it. reminds me of little stress mirrors doing their job, bouncing
> stress (lines/rays) off as they arrive
>
> On Sunday, 26 April 2015, Mark Hancock  wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Here’s a video/piece of music I’ve put together following my trip to
>> Resonate in Serbia. Originally it was going to be just the sounds I’d
>> recorded over there, but I’ve layered it with Tibetan singing bowl and
>> guitar samples, all then worked on in post-production.
>>
>> Why vipassanūpakkilesa you ask? It means corruption of insight. When you
>> think you’ve made a major breakthrough on the path to enlightenment and
>> instead you’ve been misled by the false promises of earth-bound trappings.
>> Art making can be like that, don’t you think? And also, just life in
>> general, a lot of the time. But that’s a good thing, because realisation
>> of vipassanūpakkilesa means you’re still on the path.
>>
>> Enjoy (or don’t, we all have to find our own path).
>>
>>
>> https://youtu.be/4KTPC27PijE
>>
>>
>> M
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Re: [NetBehaviour] vipassanūpakkilesa

[Kath O'Donnell]

I like it. reminds me of little stress mirrors doing their job, bouncing
stress (lines/rays) off as they arrive

On Sunday, 26 April 2015, Mark Hancock  wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> Here’s a video/piece of music I’ve put together following my trip to
> Resonate in Serbia. Originally it was going to be just the sounds I’d
> recorded over there, but I’ve layered it with Tibetan singing bowl and
> guitar samples, all then worked on in post-production.
>
> Why vipassanūpakkilesa you ask? It means corruption of insight. When you
> think you’ve made a major breakthrough on the path to enlightenment and
> instead you’ve been misled by the false promises of earth-bound trappings.
> Art making can be like that, don’t you think? And also, just life in
> general, a lot of the time. But that’s a good thing, because realisation
> of vipassanūpakkilesa means you’re still on the path.
>
> Enjoy (or don’t, we all have to find our own path).
>
>
> https://youtu.be/4KTPC27PijE
>
>
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Re: [NetBehaviour] curious student etc

[Kath O'Donnell]

love this. especially the hand drawn elements. looks like a lot of fun was
had too


On Thursday, 9 April 2015, Michael Szpakowski 
wrote:

> and Ruth is too modest to blow her own trumpet on the list but there is
> her & Mary Flanagans lovely "play your place" project.
>
> http://ruthcatlow.net/?works=play-your-place
> [snip]
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Re: [NetBehaviour] your shopping list

[Kath O'Donnell]

nice. i joined up & added a couple.

On Tuesday, 7 April 2015, Michael Szpakowski 
wrote:

> A couple of us have started a Flickr group devoted to images of shopping
> lists. Here's the description:
>
>
>
> *This group is for the display solely of shopping lists belonging to the
> photographer/associates/family &c & photographed by them. It is not for
> found lists. There are groups already for that. We are not anthropologists,
> we deplore purity & we wish to encourage a general rise in the visual
> standards of shopping lists so planned visuals ( both qua list and qua
> photo) - the shopping list as artwork - are actively encouraged. We further
> encourage the posting of lists in as many languages as possible. Creative
> circumvention of any of these rules will be warmly embraced.*
> *mi lista de compras // 내 쇼핑 목록 // Benim alışveriş listesi // én bevásárló
> listát // Η λίστα αγορών μου // 我的購物清單 //Lista mea de cumpărături //
> 私の買い物リスト // আমার কেনাকাটা তালিকা //Мой список покупок // ununuzi orodha
> yangu // La meva llista de la compra // Min handleliste //
> รายการช้อปปิ้งของฉัน // મારી શોપિંગ સૂચિ // mano pirkinių sąrašas //
> mabenkeleng lethathamo*
>
> It's an open group and we warmly welcome contributions :)
>
> You can find it here:
>
> https://www.flickr.com/groups/my_shopping_list/
>
> warmest wishes
> michael
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Re: [NetBehaviour] The Netartizen project ends now

[Kath O'Donnell]

thanks for a fun month (sorry i dropped off then end)

On Friday, 3 April 2015, Alan Sondheim  wrote:

>
>
> argh! just got back, saw some wonderful work!
>
> On Thu, 2 Apr 2015, helen varley jamieson wrote:
>
>  hah, i like the idea of "guess-teaching" :D
>>
>> On 2/04/15 5:43 31PM, Alan Sondheim wrote:
>>
>>
>>   I do want to thank everyone and apologize again - I'm going to
>>   view the video/exhibition of course. I've been guess-teaching
>>   (and still am) and it's been unfortunately primary for me. I did
>>   participate in the discussion here as much as I could, and I
>>   learned a lot from it, and again, thank you!
>>
>>
>>   On Thu, 2 Apr 2015, ruth catlow wrote:
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> The Netartizen project ends now
>>
>> but the life of this Netartizen continues, inbox
>> fertilized and spirit
>> refreshed, inspired and appreciative of the beings
>> and doings of the last
>> month.
>>
>> We can still peruse the online exhibition-
>> http://0p3nr3p0.net/show/netartizens
>>
>> look back through DIWO antics of kittenz, dreams,
>> blockchains, unwitting
>> participation, lizards, anguish and algorithms.
>>
>> and mull over the many unresolved questions of our
>> relationship as art
>> workers to politics, community and net citizenship
>> more broadly.
>>
>> 
>> I also want to say huge thanks to Randall Packer for
>> instigating, provoking
>> and shepherding this experience with incredible
>> dedication.
>> And to express my warm appreciation to all
>> contributors (and lurkers- we
>> know you are out there) for your patience,
>> ingenuity, generosity and
>> critical energy. 
>>
>> : )
>> Ruth
>>
>> p.s. this is just the beginning
>>
>>
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Re: [NetBehaviour] kaths paper pieces

[Kath O'Donnell]

thanks. yes I printed out your images, cut the white border my printer uses
with a paper guillotine (from ex zine making days), cut the images into
strips and mixed them up & stuck them back down upsidedown (to tape the
first row so it held together). so I couldn't see what the final images
were until the end when I turned them over. the colours look well together
and I see some have a couple of eyes/features in each. and yes, weaving
from textiles work, plus the weaving together of everyone's
ideas/conversations during this month
I could try something on the computer but I've been working mostly offline
these days (against the netizens idea I suppose! going back to "slow" and
manual work to use my hands again)


On 16 March 2015 at 04:12, Michael Szpakowski  wrote:

> For some reason I'm only getting about 50% , if that, of posts through..so
> I first happened upon Kath's pieces on Flickr ( and it took me a minute to
> clock what was going on until I looked at the second and third piece)
> I really love these. I love the mechanism of it, the reference back to
> exquisite corpse but also the mix of the networked, the technological ( I
> presume you printed off at some point) and the handmade. Plus they *look*
> great to me...it's that summoning of chance to work upon something
> figurative, something given, that just does it for me...( and also the
> suggestion of the woven - calls to mind Beryl Korot's different though
> related linkage between weaving/software/video)
> cheers
> m.
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Re: [NetBehaviour] no-one has the call

[Kath O'Donnell]

fun!

On 16 March 2015 at 10:28, Edward Picot  wrote:

>  Fantastic!
>
> On 15/03/15 22:12, Michael Szpakowski wrote:
>
>  http://www.michaelszpakowski.org/no-one_has_the_call/
>
>  cheeers
> m.
>
>
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Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO Process

[Kath O'Donnell]

we did some exquisite corpse exercises at drawing class. with folded paper
and people drawing on a different fold, only seeing a thin slice of the
edge of the previous person's work.

here's a few paper remixes of Michael's paintings - slices & weaves
(I'm mostly doing exercises by hand, off the computer these days)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/aliak_com/16821399545
https://www.flickr.com/photos/aliak_com/16821405935
https://www.flickr.com/photos/aliak_com/16201492383


On 15 March 2015 at 22:23, jk  wrote:

>  hi list
> re. exquisite corpse/Burroughs
> heres an example of DIWO + software process (7 writers, a bunch of python
> scripts aed on cut-ups)
> orchestrated by Brendan Howell in a London iteration of
> a collective novel writing project strung out over 8hr/day for 5 days
> producing  a 'positive' book text of approx. 1/7th
> text production, and a 6/7ths data dump from which some of the launch
> event (sound, text) was produced.
> http://www.exquisite-code.com/
> http://exquisite-code.com/?action=page&url=london
>
> jonathan
>
> One need only look back at the history of the 20th century avant-garde:
> from the Surrealists to Fluxus to Chance to see the broad range of ways in
> which collaborative processes can be structured or not. There are no
> absolutes: rules or no rules, it depends on the context, the medium, the
> participants, a host of things, there are so many different ways to
> activate socially engaged DIWO systems of networked art-making. The
> Surrealists exquisite corpse is a case in point:
>
>  *Exquisite corpse*, also known as *exquisite cadaver* (from the original
> French term *cadavre exquis*) or *rotating corpse*, is a method by which
> a collection of words or images is collectively assembled. Each
> collaborator adds to a composition in sequence, either by following a rule
> (e.g. "The *adjective * *noun
> * *adverb
> * *verb
> * the *adjective* *noun*", as in "The
> green duck sweetly sang the dreadful dirge") or by being allowed to see
> only the end of what the previous person contributed. - Wikipedia
>
>  The DIWO concept has rich precedence, including the cutup technique
> practiced by William Burroughs and Bryon Gysin; the scripted events
> composed by Fluxus artists Yoko Ono, Dick Higgins, Lamont Young; the chance
> operations of John Cage, etc. There are a myriad of approaches to draw from
> and no single one is right or wrong it just depends on the needs of the
> community and the context.
>
>  I am curious to know how previous DIWO actions manifested on this list
> and what made them successful?
>
>  From: dave miller 
> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity <
> netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org>
> Date: Sunday, March 15, 2015 at 5:19 PM
> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity <
> netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org>
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] DIWO Process
>
>  I agree with these things, and I like the way last time we "ruined" each
> other's work. I found it quite shocking actually, when I spent ages
> carefully making a drawing then someone deliberately hacked it up. It took
> the preciousness out my work, which at the time was upsetting, but soon
> after I realised the new collaborative piece was often far more interesting
> and took on a new life. Richer in that others were part of it, and a
> privilege that they'd taken and used it. The shared energy and excitement
> creates much more than me sitting alone in a corner on a private creation.
>
>  dave
>
> On 15 March 2015 at 09:12, isabel brison  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 15 March 2015 at 18:21, Randall Packer  wrote:
>>
>>>  @Michael > "It also characterises much of my experience of lists
>>> from about 2000 onwards... And to my dismay it doesn't seem to be
>>> happening here  to anything like the extent I'd thought it might. And I
>>> wonder why."
>>>
>>>So my conclusion here is that perhaps we need to propose new and
>>> evolving DIWO strategies if we really want to "do it with others" via email
>>> lists in the age of overload.
>>>
>>>
>>  I'd say hustling for paid work may be the issue here more than
>> information overload, as that overload was already happening at the time of
>> the last DIWO on this list and that didn't seem to affect participation
>> (though I must admit to having passively spectated through that one but I
>> was fairly new on the list and still trying to get a feel for the
>> conversation).
>>
>>  That said, I'd still argue for no rules. Rules may be necessary in
>> large funded projects, as funding drives the need for results in our
>> productivity-obssessed age, but rules tend to bring hierarchical structure
>> with them. That goes against the best aspects of participatory work:
>> inclusiveness, the freedom to play when and if you want to, and the
>> openness and unpredictability of it all. Necessar

Re: [NetBehaviour] Field Report: Paola Antonelli, Senior Curator at the MoMA

[Kath O'Donnell]

thanks for this. I'll check it out

On 14 March 2015 at 16:44, BishopZ  wrote:

> To the best of my recollections, Paola did not mention bio-textiles
> specifically. She did have some photographs of bio-things covering
> parts of objects, like moss on a copper pitcher and a particularly
> furry three legged chair. I'm sorry, I do not remember the artist's
> names.
>
> The panel I went to right after the keynote:
> http://schedule.sxsw.com/2015/events/event_IAP35674
>
> with Pauline van Dongen - she is printing fashion, but trying to do so
> in a way that very directly mimics biology and kinetics.
>
> Her work is great, but not exactly bio-textiles. Though she talked
> about forms of weaving of threads in cloth and how it related to the
> weaving of 3d-printed strands made to mimic natural structures.
>
> Hope that helps :)
> Bz
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 11:49 PM, Kath O'Donnell 
> wrote:
> > thanks for your report. I was studying textiles for a bit and came across
> > Carole Collet's biofacture/biolace and Anna Dumitriu's bio-textiles work
> -
> > she seems to run a few workshops in UK. do you recall what examples were
> > mentioned?
> >
> >
> > On 14 March 2015 at 15:39, BishopZ  wrote:
> > [snip]
> >>
> >> >
> >> > The second-half was all about bio-art. She kept making reference back
> >> > to her quantum mechanics inspiration, but everything she showed was
> >> > artworks that integrated other organisms - photographs, living food,
> >> > terrariums, sustainability projects, semi-life or things not quite
> >> > alive.
> >> >
> >> > She ended by telling a story of having to kill a leather-making,
> >> > semi-living machine because it had grown too large. She had talked
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Field Report: Paola Antonelli, Senior Curator at the MoMA

[Kath O'Donnell]

thanks for your report. I was studying textiles for a bit and came across
Carole Collet's biofacture/biolace and Anna Dumitriu's bio-textiles work -
she seems to run a few workshops in UK. do you recall what examples were
mentioned?


On 14 March 2015 at 15:39, BishopZ  wrote:
[snip]

> >
> > The second-half was all about bio-art. She kept making reference back
> > to her quantum mechanics inspiration, but everything she showed was
> > artworks that integrated other organisms - photographs, living food,
> > terrariums, sustainability projects, semi-life or things not quite
> > alive.
> >
> > She ended by telling a story of having to kill a leather-making,
> > semi-living machine because it had grown too large. She had talked
> > about growth a few times. Life could not be made top-down, she said,
> > it had to be grown.
> >
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Re: [NetBehaviour] le copie copains club

[Kath O'Donnell]

I like it. a remix club

On 11 March 2015 at 10:14, Mab MacMoragh  wrote:

> http://copie-copains-club.net/club/
>
> the copy companion club is a club of friends who copy each other
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Re: [NetBehaviour] neat NZ rites : helen varley jamieson / MANY

[Kath O'Donnell]

interesting. almost all the women are shades of grey
I like the palette created


On 9 March 2015 at 11:25, Alan Sondheim  wrote:

>
>
> There's something wonderfully calming about this, my image disappearing,
> averaged out in an entropic universe, integral calculus at work...
>
> - Alan
>
>
>
> On Sun, 8 Mar 2015, That Is Repulsive wrote:
>
>  Series so far
>> https://www.behance.net/Netartizens
>>
>> Portraits based on the calculated average colour derived from original
>> artworks by michael szpakowski
>> Generated using custom Processing script
>> 2448x2448px
>> PNG File format
>>
>> #88837f_helen_varley_jamieson.png
>> https://www.behance.net/gallery/24308701/88837f_helen_varley_jamiesonpng
>>
>> #61707a_karl_heinz_jeron.png
>> https://www.behance.net/gallery/24308647/61707a_karl_heinz_jeronpng
>>
>> #6f616d_helen_pritchard.png
>> https://www.behance.net/gallery/24308577/6f616d_helen_pritchardpng
>>
>> #2d2d2e_rob_myers.png
>> https://www.behance.net/gallery/24308497/2d2d2e_rob_myerspng
>>
>> #8c8e92_kath_o'donnell.png
>> https://www.behance.net/gallery/24308453/8c8e92_kath_odonnellpng
>>
>> #adaaad_simon_mclennan.png
>> https://www.behance.net/gallery/24308389/adaaad_simon_mclennanpng
>>
>> #89868d_isabel_brison.png
>> https://www.behance.net/gallery/24308275/89868d_isabel_brisonpng
>>
>> #7f7b81_mez.png
>> https://www.behance.net/gallery/24308159/7f7b81_mezpng
>>
>> #6c706f_alan_sondheim.png
>> https://www.behance.net/gallery/24308089/6c706f_alan_sondheimpng
>>
>> #747892_patrick_lichty.png
>> https://www.behance.net/gallery/24308005/747892_patrick_lichtypng
>>
>> #9c8189_dr_hairy.png
>> https://www.behance.net/gallery/24307781/9c8189_dr_hairypng
>>
>> #837f84_ruth_catlow.png
>> https://www.behance.net/gallery/24307661/837f84_ruth_catlowpng
>>
>> #7e797e_randall_packer.png
>> https://www.behance.net/gallery/24307275/7e797e_randall_packerpng
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   On 8 Mar 2015, at 20:42, michael szpakowski 
>>   wrote:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/szpako/16755763411/
>>
>> oil on canvas //12X9" //painted from google search // posted to Flickr
>>
>> series so far:
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/szpako/sets/72157651122579216
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Another bitcoin experiment

[Kath O'Donnell]

great work!

On 9 March 2015 at 08:43, Mab MacMoragh  wrote:

> love it pall
>
> On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Pall Thayer  wrote:
>
>> This one 'paints' - http://pallthayer.dyndns.org/harmoney/
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Re: [NetBehaviour] tisn't Azreen! - kath o'donnell

[Kath O'Donnell]

done :)
sorry your face is elongated. I still have problems with proportions. think
of it as expanded. ha

On 8 March 2015 at 23:46, michael szpakowski  wrote:

> wonderful! thanks! I wonder - could you post it as a comment underneath my
> image of you on Flickr?
> warmest wishes
> michael
>
>
>   --
>  *From:* Kath O'Donnell 
> *To:* michael szpakowski ; NetBehaviour for networked
> distributed creativity 
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 8, 2015 12:40 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [NetBehaviour] tisn't Azreen! - kath o'donnell
>
> here you go
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/aliak_com/16751365792/
> michael szpakowski - netbehaviour-l  (response)
> oil bars on ~A4 watercolour paper
>
>
>
>
> On 8 March 2015 at 22:55, Kath O'Donnell  wrote:
>
> oh wow, thanks. my first portrait :)
> are you doing a self-portrait too or shall we try one
>
> On 8 March 2015 at 22:28, michael szpakowski  wrote:
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/szpako/16750770022/
> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/szpako/16750770022/in/photostream/>
>
>
>
> oil on canvas //12X9" //painted from google search // posted to Flickr
>
> series so far:
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/szpako/sets/72157651122579216
>
> cheers
> michael
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Re: [NetBehaviour] tisn't Azreen! - kath o'donnell

[Kath O'Donnell]

here you go
https://www.flickr.com/photos/aliak_com/16751365792/
michael szpakowski - netbehaviour-l  (response)
oil bars on ~A4 watercolour paper


On 8 March 2015 at 22:55, Kath O'Donnell  wrote:

> oh wow, thanks. my first portrait :)
> are you doing a self-portrait too or shall we try one
>
> On 8 March 2015 at 22:28, michael szpakowski  wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/szpako/16750770022/
>> <https://www.flickr.com/photos/szpako/16750770022/in/photostream/>
>>
>>
>>
>> oil on canvas //12X9" //painted from google search // posted to Flickr
>>
>> series so far:
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/szpako/sets/72157651122579216
>>
>> cheers
>> michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [NetBehaviour] tisn't Azreen! - kath o'donnell

[Kath O'Donnell]

oh wow, thanks. my first portrait :)
are you doing a self-portrait too or shall we try one

On 8 March 2015 at 22:28, michael szpakowski  wrote:

>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/szpako/16750770022/
> 
>
>
>
> oil on canvas //12X9" //painted from google search // posted to Flickr
>
> series so far:
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/szpako/sets/72157651122579216
>
> cheers
> michael
>
>
>
>
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Lines of Communication

[Kath O'Donnell]

I've only skimmed this article but it showed up on my tweet feed yesterday
via R.U. Sirius
https://twitter.com/StealThisSingul/status/572917180506902528
"Maidan, Caliphate, and Code: Theorizing Power and Resistance in the 21st
Century"
http://www.ctheory.net/articles.aspx?id=741

also, I know they've been talking about IoT for a while as I recall
lecturers talking about it (in general terms) in early 90s whilst studying
networks & IPv6 (& I work for Cisco who coined the phrase). I think it's
like everything - there's always a way to protect yourself if you should
want to so I don't see it as a threat, more an opportunity.


On 5 March 2015 at 17:32, Alan Sondheim  wrote:

>
>
> Do you honestly believe, with all the hacking/corrosion/cyberwarfare going
> on, that regulations will make the slightest bit of difference? The
> consolidation is already occurring, as well as enclaving, ISISolation that
> moves the 'caliphate' into the cybersphere, as well as on the ground, all
> entangled.
>
> - Alan
>
> On Wed, 4 Mar 2015, BishopZ wrote:
>
>  the Internet of Things will inevitably consolidate corporate power over
>> our personal liberty unless we implement strict regulations on what part
>> of ourselves can and cannot be quantified
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Randall Packer 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "What are we, as NetArtizens doing/writing/ about it (when the land
>>> is scorched from war and climate change)? I think this is critical,
>>> fundamental."
>>>
>>
>>> @Alan, what we are doing about it, here, is opening up lines of
>>> communication. In a world where negotiation and conflict resolution are
>>> upended by unreasonable geo-political differences and the refusal to
>>> speak
>>> openly, honestly, and directly: we as #netartizens can be a **model**
>>> (and
>>> yes, that?s essentially the role of the artist to model) by engaging one
>>>
>>> another under the radar, speaking out, openly with our work & our
>>> (net)work & our voices, to help paint + perform + mediate new ideas,
>>> words
>>> and portraits of **our** vision of humanity.
>>>
>>> We have to speak in order to be heard.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/3/15, 1:15 PM, "Alan Sondheim"  wrote:
>>>
>>>
 What happens when these spaces disappear? They've always been entangled.
 Take Syria, today (literally researched released today) postulates that
 the war/s there are in part the result of climate change. Who will be
 physical when the land is scorched? And perhaps more to the point, what
 are we, as NetArtizens doing/writing/ about it? I think this is
 critical,
 fundamental.

 On the other point, I don't find the world divided in any sense into
 three
 spaces; there are any number of divisions that might or might not be
 made,
 and I think they obscure the entanglements and fuzzy boundaries we all
 live within (for example, ourselves and everything else, as microbial
 life). For me, that neatness has disappeared, just as "real" and
 "virtual"
 seem still to be inauthentic categories; when amoeba can learn, without
 the presence of a nervous system, what world are they living in? What
 world are we? I remember von Foerster defining life as fundamentally
 characterized by negation, for example, logic and categorization all the
 way down.

 - Alan

 On Tue, 3 Mar 2015, Randall Packer wrote:

  Alan, networked space, or ?the third space? as I like to call it, is
> the
> world we are gravitating towards (no pun intended). I am always
> surprised
> the degree to which we forget or don?t pay attention to whether we are
> occupying the first space (physical world) or the third space. (by the
> way, the second space is the representational/symbolic world). We are
> losing the distinction between the real and the virtual, the two
> melding
> together in a kind of ?post reality.? I think for future generations
> the
> distinction will no longer matter. Consider that whichever space we are
> operating in, we will always occupy real, physical space, but our
> interactions will increasingly be situated on the network: just like
> right
> now, as we communicate through this list. So I would disagree that we
> can?t prepare, perhaps what it means to be a netartizen is to be
> self-critical and self-aware about the evolution from the first to the
> third space. The preparation is in realizing its inevitable and its
> real.
>
>
> "The digital, I think, is unbearably fragile; not only is privacy lost,
> but
> we are not prepared, and can't prepare, for the attacks and corrosion
> to
> come; instead, we grant these worlds a solidity they don't have, never
> have had."
>
>
>
> On 3/3/15, 12:28 AM, "Alan Sondheim"  wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Hi, a few comments here. My own work is a continuous production which
>> at
>> o

Re: [NetBehaviour] the ever-present-present

[Kath O'Donnell]

yes, that's likely true. we hope the future might be interested but who
knows what they'll be thinking of by then.


On 4 March 2015 at 13:29, Pall Thayer  wrote:

> It's interesting to consider what we, in our current ever-present-present,
> might think future generations will be interested in. We're probably wrong.
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Randall Packer 
> wrote:
>
>> Kath, you're last remarks are particularly relevant in regards to the
>> emerging digital natives and millennials. My teaching is centered around
>> the study of the digital native as a kind of anthropological research. It
>> seems there is a clear trend towards giving up on privacy, and a growing
>> lack of concern for preservation, as you suggest. Of course when you are 20
>> you might not think it is important to save anything, but in fact, we have
>> a social media industry focused on information as more and more transient.
>> The social media of today is about the NOW, what is at the top of our feed,
>> which comes to our screen in the Moment, and then fades in descending
>> chronological order into a past we are no longer interested in. As Douglas
>> Rushkoff has written in Present Shock, we live in an ever-present-present
>> tense, our abbreviated attention span revolving around the here and now.
>>
>> >>> I suppose it's really up to how much people care about these things,
>> and whether they work towards saving some of it or preparing for the
>> future.
>>
>> >> What in fact are we leaving behind for future generations on our hard
>> drives and cloud
>> repositories? And how will the technological culture of today be viewed
>> when these values are no longer decipherable. Are we in fact erasing our
>> historical past as we create it for the digital future?
>>
>> I think this is a real issue. though we try to save some things using
>> archives, the changing formats and technology (and speed of change) is
>> causing data to be lost or at the very least, harder/longer to
>> recover/republish (especially if they need converting later on). it's
>> covering both net art and personal items such as home photos which are
>> generally no longer printed, and home videos. I also wonder what future
>> archeologists will think of our surviving buried rubbish. so whilst I love
>> the net, I think it's important to go back to hand made physical art and
>> craft too. if there is some pulse in the future which wipes all the
>> technology we'll be left with a gap from our digital/online years. let's
>> hope the libraries survive. I've heard of projects such as printed copies
>> of Wikipedia, but I wonder how many they print and how distributed these
>> are. (plus how often as WP changes so quickly). in smaller communities such
>> as music communities (for one example), there's less event flyers printed
>> out - they are all online or (worse) only on Facebook as event listings,
>> which means they are lost over very short times. I suppose it's really up
>> to how much people care about these things, and whether they work towards
>> saving some of it or preparing for the future.
>>
>> looking forward to this month. checking out the artworks now - they're
>> looking great
>> thanks
>>
>>
>> On 3 March 2015 at 06:17, Randall Packer  wrote:
>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>> Here are some questions to consider:
>>>
>>> Are we in fact producing a cultural history that emanates from the
>>> language of computers? Are the cultural references of today increasingly
>>> coded in numerical values that will need to be compiled and encoded in
>>> the
>>> far future by curious historians of the 21st century? What in fact are we
>>> leaving behind for future generations on our hard drives and cloud
>>> repositories? And how will the technological culture of today be viewed
>>> when these values are no longer decipherable. Are we in fact erasing our
>>> historical past as we create it for the digital future?
>>>
>>> Randall
>>>
>>> [snip]
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Re: [NetBehaviour] The NetArtizens Project: starts right here, right now!

[Kath O'Donnell]

>> What in fact are we leaving behind for future generations on our hard
drives and cloud
repositories? And how will the technological culture of today be viewed
when these values are no longer decipherable. Are we in fact erasing our
historical past as we create it for the digital future?

I think this is a real issue. though we try to save some things using
archives, the changing formats and technology (and speed of change) is
causing data to be lost or at the very least, harder/longer to
recover/republish (especially if they need converting later on). it's
covering both net art and personal items such as home photos which are
generally no longer printed, and home videos. I also wonder what future
archeologists will think of our surviving buried rubbish. so whilst I love
the net, I think it's important to go back to hand made physical art and
craft too. if there is some pulse in the future which wipes all the
technology we'll be left with a gap from our digital/online years. let's
hope the libraries survive. I've heard of projects such as printed copies
of Wikipedia, but I wonder how many they print and how distributed these
are. (plus how often as WP changes so quickly). in smaller communities such
as music communities (for one example), there's less event flyers printed
out - they are all online or (worse) only on Facebook as event listings,
which means they are lost over very short times. I suppose it's really up
to how much people care about these things, and whether they work towards
saving some of it or preparing for the future.

looking forward to this month. checking out the artworks now - they're
looking great
thanks


On 3 March 2015 at 06:17, Randall Packer  wrote:

> [snip]
>
> Here are some questions to consider:
>
> Are we in fact producing a cultural history that emanates from the
> language of computers? Are the cultural references of today increasingly
> coded in numerical values that will need to be compiled and encoded in the
> far future by curious historians of the 21st century? What in fact are we
> leaving behind for future generations on our hard drives and cloud
> repositories? And how will the technological culture of today be viewed
> when these values are no longer decipherable. Are we in fact erasing our
> historical past as we create it for the digital future?
>
> Randall
>
> [snip]
>
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Re: [NetBehaviour] ten drawings

[Kath O'Donnell]

very nice. I like your use of colour and text in the drawings

On 17 February 2015 at 10:09, James Morris  wrote:

> sketches actually, in an old sketchbook...
>
> http://jwm-art.net/o7.php?p=journal&j=j20150216-2251#j20150216-2251
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Re: [NetBehaviour] These moments (series of ongoing works)

[Kath O'Donnell]

these are great. I like where you're going with untitled#209

On Monday, 7 October 2013, Mark Hancock wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> Here's some stuff I've been developing and reworking recently. These
> download directly from the browser, hope that's not too much of a hassle
> for anyone who wants to take a look.
>
> All the best,
>
> Mark
>
> Everything right now right here #1
>
>
> http://www.memecortex.net/These_moments/Everything_right_now_right_here_%231.tiff
>
> Everything right now right here #2
>
>
> http://www.memecortex.net/These_moments/Everything_right_now_right_here_%232.tiff
>
> I try and yet always fail
>
> http://www.memecortex.net/These_moments/I_try_and_yet_always_fail.tiff
>
> This is not nor shall be
>
> http://www.memecortex.net/These_moments/This%20is_not_nor_shall_be.tiff
>
> untitled#208
>
> http://www.memecortex.net/These_moments/untitled%23208.tiff
>
> untitled#209
>
> http://www.memecortex.net/These_moments/untitled%23209.tiff
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Re: [NetBehaviour] 3D Printed Readymades

[Kath O'Donnell]

love the cowbox.


On 9 July 2013 19:45, Radovan Misovic  wrote:

> Great idea! A recode project of readymades :)
>
> ++ Connection closed by foreign ghost.
>
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>
> *From: *"mez breeze" 
> *To: *"NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity" <
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> *Sent: *Tuesday, 2 July, 2013 11:39:22 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [NetBehaviour] 3D Printed Readymades
>
>
> Agreed. Blogging it right now...
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 7:27 AM, ruth catlow 
> wrote:
>
>> Brilliant!
>> On 02/07/2013 11:56, Rob Myers wrote:
>> > A blog post at about 3D printing art that starts with my shareable
>> > readymades and continues with a show at the Warhol museum:
>> >
>> > English: http://blog.maketank.it/2013/07/dadaist-warhol-3d-printing/
>> >
>> > Italian: http://blog.maketank.it/it/2013/07/stampa3d-warhol-dada/
>> >
>> > "We find ourselves at the beginning of a question about the value and
>> > reception of art in this new world in which I can print off a Dadaist
>> > readymade at home; a world that Gutenberg opened up with the printing
>> > press, that Benjamin explored within the increasing quality of
>> > lithography and photographic prints."
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Transmediale and the power of a director

[Kath O'Donnell]

do you think he might have been actually forcing (performing?) the question
from the theme/curatorial statement? ie stating something is
offensive/incompatible then seeing how people react? extending the
conference/session into the ether/post-discussions to see what happens
next.


*"Contrary to the fear of the incompatible, so prevalent in the age of
cloud-computing, the festival raises the question of what happens when
incompatibility is brought to the fore rather than hidden away in the dark
underbelly of digital culture?"
http://mission-base.com/tamiko/AR/tm2012.html
*

KG: "Yeah, if I may "intervene" uh, first maybe we can switch the screen
instead of seeing this really, uh, for me offensive AR art, he he, this is
a re-intervention into the Transmediale, so - "




On 1 March 2012 12:04, mez breeze  wrote:

> I still find this disturbing = not at all satisfactory in terms of an
> adequate explanation.
>
> Has the concept of "offense" been unpacked by Gansing? Why does he find
> this particular AR work [and by proxy, yourself Tamiko] "offensive"?
>
> Chunks,
> mez
> @netwurker
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Tamiko Thiel  wrote:
>
>> Dear Netbehaviorists,
>>
>> Many thanks for your interest in the incident during the "Videomakers
>> Unite!" panel discussion at the Transmediale 2012.
>> http://www.transmediale.de/node/20679
>>
>> Thank you Ruth, for having forwarded my email to the list in the first
>> place, and my apologies for taking so long to get back to you all! I was
>> asked not to post anything more until we had made multiple efforts in
>> private conversations to clear up what had happened, and give Kristoffer
>> Gansing a chance to respond. At this point however it is clear that he
>> and I have diametrically opposite perceptions of what happened.
>>
>> It turns out that he does not find augmented reality art offensive, just
>> me and my art. I have no problem with that.
>>
>> I had been asked by Kathy Rae Huffman, an invited panelist and
>> internationally renowned curator, to prepare a website and give a live
>> demo of my work, as part of the "open conversation" character of the
>> "Videomakers Unite!" panel, as previously arranged with the moderator.
>>
>> My perception at this point is that Gansing felt that if he didn't like
>> my art and the manner in which I presented it, it was within his right
>> as festival director to overrule the moderator and the invited panelist,
>> and stop my presentation. At a festival that was explicitly celebrating
>> 25 years of interventionist and activist art, I found it to be a very
>> surprising exercise of power and very ironic in the context of the
>> curatorial statement, which said:
>>
>> "Contrary to the fear of the incompatible, so prevalent in the age of
>> cloud-computing, the festival raises the question of what happens when
>> incompatibility is brought to the fore rather than hidden away in the
>> dark underbelly of digital culture?"
>>
>> I have set up a webpage with my perception of what happened, with cue
>> times and a link to the audio file (all 2.5 hours of it, thanks to Sonja
>> Schachinger!) in case anyone wants to form their own opinion.
>> http://mission-base.com/tamiko/AR/tm2012.html
>>
>> Take care, and thanks again for the support - Tamiko
>>
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>>  Email:   tam...@alum.mit.edu
>>  Website: http://www.mission-base.com/tamiko/
>>
>>
>>  Venice Biennial 2011 - Manifest.AR guerrilla AR Infiltration
>>  http://manifestarblog.wordpress.com/thiel_venice-2011/
>>
>>  Istanbul Biennial 2011 - official collateral exhibit
>>  http://mission-base.com/tamiko/AR/ii/images.html
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Re: [NetBehaviour] What's going on with my website? - any ideas?

[Kath O'Donnell]

you might want to check if your email is locked down well enough as
sometimes they use servers to route emails. also check there's no extra
files/directories. especially with names with special characters like "._"
or something. the shared server one of my sites is on was hacked some years
ago and they'd uploaded a full spoof bank page (something like this - it
looked like a bank page, probably for those phishing emails). get your
servers admin team to check it if you're not sure.

On 25 January 2012 04:50, Alan Sondheim  wrote:

>
>
> Poland? China?
>
> Someone on Cybermind said it sounds like hacking; I'll have to check into
> this.
>
> - Alan
>
> On Tue, 24 Jan 2012, michael gurstein wrote:
>
> > You've been discovered? :)
> >
> > M
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org
> > [mailto:netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org] On Behalf Of Alan
> Sondheim
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 3:02 AM
> > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org
> > Subject: [NetBehaviour] What's going on with my website? - any ideas?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Looked up my web stats - most hits from Poland and China? Does this
> happen
> > to you? Any idea what's going on? This is the
> http://www.alansondheim.org/
> >
> > Thanks, Alan
> >
> >
> > What's going on with my website?
> >
> >
> > Poland? China? Russia? Greatest number of hits from China and Poland.
> What's
> > going on with my website?
> >
> > country / country domain / pages / hits / bandwidth
> >
> >   United States   us  613 3,328   31.21 GB
> >
> >   Ukraine ua  103 129 78.30 MB
> >
> >   Great Britain   gb  63  225 6.78 GB
> >
> >   Germany de  52  301 3.61 GB
> >
> >   Russian Federation  ru  31  171 107.27 MB
> >
> >   China   cn  26  43,652  91.10 GB
> >
> >   Romania ro  25  363 2.74 GB
> >
> >   Spain   es  23  125 1.48 GB
> >
> >   Italy   it  23  54  288.62 MB
> >
> >   France  fr  16  72  2.30 GB
> >
> >   Netherlands nl  14  64  1.32 GB
> >
> >   Japan   jp  13  39  985.07 MB
> >
> >   Canada  ca  11  85  2.18 GB
> >
> >   Brazil  br  10  107 2.38 GB
> >
> >   European countryeu  8   663 13.78 GB
> >
> >   Czech Republic  cz  7   25  48.67 MB
> >
> >   Poland  pl  6   29,587  144.28 GB
> >
> >   Taiwan  tw  4   19  84.34 MB
> >
> >   South Korea kr  4   25  482.61 MB
> >
> >   India   in  4   55  519.91 MB
> >
> >   Portugalpt  3   17  805.50 MB
> >
> >   Israel  il  3   14  256.70 MB
> >
> >   Hong Kong   hk  3   38  112.75 MB
> >
> >   Turkey  tr  2   15  55.70 MB
> >
> >   Denmark dk  2   4   180.78 MB
> >
> >   Others  33  770 106.57 GB
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Re: [NetBehaviour] knit one perl one double crochet

[Kath O'Donnell]

I've done some - toys & blankets for friends babies (the jess hutch
robots & squarey are v.cute), some public art projects (I was just a
knitter for it, not organizing - I heart kings cross), some charity
knitting, some mathematical knitting (wooly thoughts has some patterns
& I was obsessed with knitting bucky fuller triangles for a while).
the subversive yarn ning group has some nice projects/examples too.
thanks Helen for the link on knitpro - will check it out.
haven't felt like it lately though as it's been too hot. I think I do
it more in winter.
kath

2009/12/29 helen varley jamieson :
> i don't have much time for knitting these days but i've done quite a few
> creative fairisles in my day; mostly i just do baby clothes now, if
> anything, because they're quicker & i can use up all the odds & ends in
> my wool basket. but i did do a cardigan a few years ago for a friend's
> 50th, in the style of an eastern icon painting.
>
> this is a good site: http://www.microrevolt.org/ & the knitpro
> application will turn your jpegs into a knitting pattern : )
>
> have fun,
> h : )
>
> Neil Jenkins wrote:
>> I've downed tools for the year and have been learning to use my
>> digits again - and discovered muscles in my hands that I hadn't
>> realised were there until they hurt ;)
>>
>> any other knitters and crochet hookers on here ?
>> plarn - plastic bag yarn - another great example of upcycling
>>
>> reference : http://www.myrecycledbags.com/tutorial-for-making-plarn-
>> yarn/
>>
>> http://www.furtherfield.org/rosalind/definitions.pl?id=147
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Selling software art

[Kath O'Donnell]

why? will you only buy if it's 'art'? :)

2008/11/18 patrick simons <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Are these art objects?!
> patrick
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