[NetBehaviour] Hi everyone

[Benjamin Schultz]

I'm a new member. Check out my work here:

http://www.youtube.com/user/benspky

I look forward to hearing about your respective works.

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[NetBehaviour] THE TOUR DE BORD EXPERIMENT

[benjamin]

A night of truly innovative, interdisciplinary curation boasting some of south England’s most promising new practitioners in contemporary performance, new media installation, interactive, participatory and visual arts installation, experimental choreography live and spoken art, sound-scapes and live music.From a location to be disclosed in East London, the Tour de Bord Experiment explores the city as a myriad of different cultural forms, where new generations are born upon a landscape of urban decay, stretching far beyond view of those trapped behind the distant windows of tradition.Searching the hiding places amongst secret hierarchies or in observation of those dwelling, invisible, maintaining the vestibules and corridors of the interwoven tapestry which makes up our city; the tour de bord explores the creeping connectivity of our contemporary urban world amidst a tombstone abandoned, like a marker to the memory of our own infrastructural positions.Featuring new media installation from Kathy Hinde and Ann Rosen, expanded performances from Katharine Fry, Beatrice Jarvis, Stavroula Kounadia and Neil Luck amidst installations and visual arts from the bow arts trust, Seecum Chung and Dimitris Papadatos ant the UK Unknown amidst a backdrop experimental sounds and ancient vynals from Sound Through, the ARCO Collective and Bristol's best in performative poetics with a host of live art from regulars at the SHUNT Vaults.THE TO AND FROMS:The central line, district line, the DLR & over-ground trainsBusses D8, 8, 452, 108, 276 425Very close to late bus stop for the N8The tour de bord experiment is a one off site specific event in central in East London.. the secret location will be released to those who have booked through a release closer to the time.Bookings can be made by contacting eve...@cultura3.net or through our ARTS EVENTS UK Facebook group.  A night of experimental programmed experience from a location to be disclosed in East London. The event provides an informal and unusual setting for performance, live and spoken art, new media installation, interactive, partisipatory and visual arts installation, sound-scapes, live music & the best value on a bottle of wine in London.   An exploration of the city as a myriad of different cultural forms, where the truly new generations born upon a landscape of urban decay stretching far beyond view of those trapped behind the distant windows of tradition, erected by establishments which are now are fit only for the museum. From behavior to structure, the historic, the neglected, the new, the existent, the lost and materializing characteristics of the environments which fill our surroundings. Brought from their hiding places amongst secret hierarchies or dwelling, invisible, maintaining the vestibules and corridors of our interwoven tapestry; the tour de bord explores the creeping connectivity of our contemporary urban world amidst a tombstone abandoned, like a marker to the memory of our own infrastructural positions.   Featuring new media installation from Kathy Hinde and Ann Rosen, expanded performances from Katharine Fry, Beatrice  Jarvis, Stavroula Kounadia and Neil Luck amidst installations and visual arts from the bow arts trust, Seecum Chung and Dimitris Papadatos ant the UK Unknown amidst a backdrop experimental sounds and ancient vynals featuring the ARCO Collective and Bristol's best in performative poetics with a host of live art from regulars at the SHUNT Vaults.   Easily accessible via the central line, district line, the DLR & overground trains. busses D8, 8, 452, 108, 276 425 v. close to late bus stop for the N8   The tour de bord experiment is a one off site specific event in central in East London.. the secret location will be released to those who have booked through a release closer to the time.  Bookings can be made by contacting eve...@cultura3.net or through our ARTS EVENTS UK Facebook group.  ___
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[NetBehaviour] URBAN ORGANICS WORKSHOP

[benjamin]

Figuratively describing the country of Matrizenzubehoerleute…...
A N   U R B A NO R G A N I C S   W O R K S H O P

The city presents an unmapped, sparsely inhabited place,  
extravagantly rich in unexplored resources, waiting as it were for  
the arrival of someone to give form to the latent possibilities which  
lay beyond regular spatial comprehension.


The poet, wandering describes reflections on streetlife, overlaid by  
the desire to develop typographies and document of human life.  The  
civilian traveler as they traverse the urban terrain, passing amongst  
concrete corridors of the imagination remakes the city through  
forming their own reflective typographies. Looking then at our  
perception of city scenes and urban space as a hybrid of different  
forms, Figuratively describing the country of Matrizenzubehoerleute…. 
(ma-tritsen.tzu-behuer.loyter) provides participants with a tool-kit  
which will allow them to trace and unveil the creative potential of  
their every day surroundings through a series of collaborative  
exercises. The group will undertake explorations of the space  
surrounding the DIY Art Centre, observe and reproduce behavioral  
patterns and begin to develop the basis of a new language through  
archetypal typography.


The workshop will provide an introduction to techniques which empower  
the participants to further understand how we interact with our  
surroundings. The group will explore the urban spaces surrounding the  
Art Centre along a perimeter between two lands drawn from places  
which belong neither to the ordinary, nor the Other, but which are  
imbued with a presence of both; just as the sky can be seen to fall  
down towards the sea.




URBAN ORGANICS: Figuratively describing the country of  
Matrizenzubehoerleute...


11.00-16.00, Sunday, 3rd May

Non-consessional: £8
Consessions: £4
CORD Members: £2

This introductory public workshop is open to people of all  
disciplines and levels of experience. To make your booking please  
write to eve...@cultura3.net with the heading “Urban Organics  
Workshop.” Places are limited.




The DIY Art Centre
114-116 Amersham Vale,
New Cross SE14 6LG
for a map click here



Transport
New Cross Train Station (exit station, turn left, 5 mins walk)
New Cross Gate / Deptford Train Station (10 min walk)
Deptford DLR (15 min walk)
Busses 53, 453, 36, 436,171,172,177



For more information please write to benja...@cultura3.net



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Re: [NetBehaviour] Streaming Air Traffic Control Feeds From Around The World.

[benjamin]

working with tours, transit and migration at the moment. there's  
plenty to play with here.




On 19 Feb 2009, at 17:40, marc garrett wrote:

> Hi Pall & Benjamin,
>
> Great resource, but I am surprised...
>
> marc
>> that's insane
>>
>> On 19 Feb 2009, at 17:18, marc garrett wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hi Netbehaviourists,
>>>
>>> Something I found travelling the Internet :-)
>>>
>>> Listen To Live, Streaming Air Traffic Control Feeds From Around The
>>> World.
>>>
>>> http://www.liveatc.net/
>>>
>>> wishing all well.
>>>
>>> marc
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Streaming Air Traffic Control Feeds From Around The World.

[benjamin]

that's insane

On 19 Feb 2009, at 17:18, marc garrett wrote:

> Hi Netbehaviourists,
>
> Something I found travelling the Internet :-)
>
> Listen To Live, Streaming Air Traffic Control Feeds From Around The  
> World.
>
> http://www.liveatc.net/
>
> wishing all well.
>
> marc
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Re: [NetBehaviour] article links @furtherfield

[benjamin]

funny. i had the same issue just last night. it is a nice system though.


On 12 Feb 2009, at 15:36, james of jwm-art net wrote:

> Hi Marc,Ruth, Furtherfield crew,
>
> Just a suggestion that would help me navigating around  
> furtherfield.org.
>
> Where you have the swishy&clever links to the articles on furtherfield
> which highlight the article details when mouse-hovering over them I
> can't right-click->open_in_new_tab and let various articles download
> while reading.
>
> It forces me to continually go back and forth between the index and
> articles which is rather slow on dialup.
>
> Any chance you could provide standard  within the
> article details/listings? This would be very helpful :)
>
> Best regards,
> James.
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[NetBehaviour] not for profit organisation - draft

[benjamin]

Developing programs of performance, visual, interactive and media  
arts for a range of venues, one discovers a wide range of different  
organisational praxis. The most confusing of which has to be a  
concept introduced to me last night. "we have a strict not-for profit  
policy" and "insist that all shows provide free drinks."

Working with a group of 20 creative professionals, most of which have  
studied their undergraduate and masters degrees in England, if not  
then at least their masters. They have made investments in equipment,  
having invested time in development. What is the value here?

The average debt from an undergraduate degree in England is in  
between £7 and £16,000. Now a masters degree costs upwards of £4,500  
- the money for living that year at least £3,000. Taking an average  
11,500 x 20 = 230,000. 6,000 x 6 = 36,000. Equipment owned by the  
creative practitioners @ approx. 2,000. Other investments in the  
program this far = £300.

The total in cost so far, towards being able to stage an credited,  
capable show by purpose trained professionals: £268,300. I feel that  
we must indeed be a not for profit (or incapable of profit)  
organisation, unless the value of art has changed dramatically  
overnight. I just want to help artists pay their bills. 
   
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Does it mean something, yawn

[benjamin]

i proof and edit arts text (mostly translated or written by foreign  
speakers (Russian, Spanish, Austrian, Italian, Hungarian) quite often  
and have been since 2004.

happy to look over things for the sake of culture, if you ever want  
to send anything by - incidentally, not that i find it difficult to  
read and understand what you're saying.



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Re: [NetBehaviour] Does it mean something?

[benjamin]

On 3 Feb 2009, at 13:31, richard willis wrote:

i think simon just ably demonstrated why putting things in 'a more  
everyday, comprehensive lanuguage, was/is problematic: you need  
four times the amount of words to say the same thing. why write 'i  
put my pen on the table' when you could write 'i put my plastic-and- 
ink-writing-tool' on the 'wooden-platform-held-up-on-four-wooden- 
legs'?


the chemical fluctuations in the matter which has come to be known as  
"my brain," provides me with pleasurable impulses whilst regarding  
correlations of coloured light which form the shapes resembling the  
combinations of the latin alphabet seen above


cos the former is simpler than the latter. accessibility is good up  
to a point: but introduce lifts into multi-storey buildings for the  
aid of the disabled and you also create the knock-on effect of  
making the able-bodied less fit and lazier by giving them an effort- 
free mechanism of going upstairs. much better for the body - and  
mind - to take the stairs as before.


yeah, the language isn't easy to grasp, but the effort of doing so  
is probably more rewarding than the effort of simplifying at-first- 
inaccessible academic prose.




2009/2/3 bob catchpole 
Simon,

Thanks for the translation, it's fortunate you're on the list!  
Don't you think the text, drafted in a language largely  
understandable by academics, is guilty of the very thing it claims  
to be researching? That is, how and why people are excluded from  
contested spaces?


If the text spoke in a more everyday, comprehensible language do  
you think it might invite wider engagement?


Language is power. Often to exclude or oppress, no?

Bob


From: Simon Biggs 

To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity  


Sent: Tuesday, 3 February, 2009 11:52:17

Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Does it mean something?

It is clear to me and I have no problems with the language.

The section that states "the potential of translocally networked  
spatial practices" could have been more simply written, however it  
is clear in what it says – that the research is engaging the  
potential of networked practices by practitioners who are  
interested in spaces that transcend the local (the way it was  
originally written was better). The next section, which states  
"urban network processes, spaces of geocultural crises, and forms  
of cultural participation and self-determination" is equally clear.  
Urban network processes are events that occur in urban environments  
within the network infrastructures of which such environments are  
composed (communications and transport are examples). Geocultural  
crises are crises that are caused by geocultural issues. This is  
shorthand for the post-colonial politics around access to land  
based resources by different cultural groups (Gaza is an example  
here, as is Darfur). I do not see what the problem is with the sub- 
phrase "cultural participation and self-determination". It seems  
clear as it seeks to conflate the individuation of self (the  
forging of self) with participation in social activities (that is,  
the self depends on others to come into being). Sites of  
"alternative urban engagement" simply refers to places where non- 
normalised social activities can be pursued and social groupings  
can form that facilitate those who do not conform to dominant  
social norms (eg: raves, biker cafes, hardcore clubs, etc). The  
last three words are, I agree, a little confusing. What is the  
object of the phrase "emerging architectural cultures". Does this  
refer to cultures composed of architects or to cultures that are  
shaped by architecture? I would assume the latter, but the grammar  
employed here is, I agree, not very clear.


Overall the text is clear and in its linguistic form usefully  
suggests what its cultural origins are (left intellectual  
academic). The text as a whole clearly states that its concern is  
with who gains access to and rights of definition of social and  
economic infrastructure in culturally contested urban spaces and  
what the implications are for the communities and individuals  
involved.


Where is there a problem with that?

Regards

Simon


On 3/2/09 10:23, "bob catchpole"  wrote:

Mez,

Does it mean something?

Bob


From: mez breeze 
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity  


Sent: Monday, 2 February, 2009 23:26:34
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Does it mean something?

hi bob [+ assorted netbehaviouralists]..

bob, i'm curious as 2 by u're assuming that the text ur quoting is
muddy in terms of comprehension/meaning? do u think the terminology is
inappropriate or unclear?

chunks,
mez


On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 8:33 AM, bob catchpole  
 wrote:

> Yann,
>
> The other day someone posted on this list about a project that was a
> "research platform... on the potential of translocally networked  
spatial

> practices." The project, it was claimed, investigates "urban network
> processes, spaces of g

Re: [NetBehaviour] Does it mean something?

[benjamin]

On 3 Feb 2009, at 10:52, Simon Biggs wrote:


It is clear to me and I have no problems with the language.

The section that states “the potential of translocally networked  
spatial practices”

translocational potential of networked spacial practices ?

this strain raises an interesting opportunity to discuss the nature  
of mail groups. is this a space for announcements ? from my reading  
so far, net behaviour does not seem like an announcement list, rather  
an experiment. informal lists are vital threshing grounds for the  
development of ideas, but also for personal development within  
disciplines which an individual may be dislocated from, if even in an  
extreme level of profoundity.


making a comparison between blogging, website publication, online  
text archives and the group mailing list, it seems that the nature of  
the group mailing list is far better suited to development rather  
than announcement - it's just as easy to access a personal, creative,  
organisational or events website which - even if it is an undeveloped  
blog by means of aesthetic - holds an equal capacity to relay more  
refined "publishable" materials.



could have been more simply written, however it is clear in what it  
says – that the research is engaging
the potential of networked practices by practitioners who are  
interested in spaces that transcend the local (the way it was  
originally written was better). The next section, which states


“urban network processes, spaces of geocultural crises, and forms  
of cultural participation and self-determination” is equally clear.  
Urban network processes are events that occur in urban environments  
within the network infrastructures of which such environments are  
composed (communications and transport are examples). Geocultural  
crises are crises that are caused by geocultural issues. This is  
shorthand for the post-colonial politics around access to land  
based resources by different cultural groups (Gaza is an example  
here, as is Darfur). I do not see what the problem is with the sub- 
phrase “cultural participation and self-determination”. It seems  
clear as it seeks to conflate the individuation of self (the  
forging of self) with participation in social activities (that is,  
the self depends on others to come into being). Sites of  
“alternative urban engagement” simply refers to places where non- 
normalised social activities can be pursued and social groupings  
can form that facilitate those who do not conform to dominant  
social norms (eg: raves, biker cafes, hardcore clubs, etc). The  
last three words are, I agree, a little confusing. What is the  
object of the phrase “emerging architectural cultures”. Does this  
refer to cultures composed of architects or to cultures that are  
shaped by architecture? I would assume the latter, but the grammar  
employed here is, I agree, not very clear.


Overall the text is clear and in its linguistic form usefully  
suggests what its cultural origins are (left intellectual  
academic). The text as a whole clearly states that its concern is  
with who gains access to and rights of definition of social and  
economic infrastructure in culturally contested urban spaces and  
what the implications are for the communities and individuals  
involved.


Where is there a problem with that?

Regards

Simon


On 3/2/09 10:23, "bob catchpole"  wrote:


Mez,

Does it mean something?

Bob


From: mez breeze 
To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity  


Sent: Monday, 2 February, 2009 23:26:34
Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Does it mean something?

hi bob [+ assorted netbehaviouralists]..

bob, i'm curious as 2 by u're assuming that the text ur quoting is
muddy in terms of comprehension/meaning? do u think the  
terminology is

inappropriate or unclear?

chunks,
mez


On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 8:33 AM, bob catchpole  
 wrote:

> Yann,
>
> The other day someone posted on this list about a project that  
was a
> "research platform... on the potential of translocally networked  
spatial
> practices." The project, it was claimed, investigates "urban  
network
> processes, spaces of geocultural crises, and forms of cultural  
participation
> and self-determination" in which "sites of alternative urban  
engagement are
> collected on a database" as research into "emerging  
architectural cultures."




Simon Biggs
Research Professor
edinburgh college of art
s.bi...@eca.ac.uk
www.eca.ac.uk
www.eca.ac.uk/circle/

si...@littlepig.org.uk
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AIM/Skype: simonbiggsuk

Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland,  
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Does it mean something?

[benjamin]

what was the post called bob. sounds quite interesting


On 2 Feb 2009, at 22:14, info wrote:

> Thanks Bob,
>
> are you
> http://bobcatchpole.com/biography.php ?
>
> i'm really happy to see this kind of sculpure on netbehaviour. we just
> have to put an IP address on each of these object in order to dial  
> with
> them online (or let's say, within a reflexion about rural design,  
> or ...
> how the form defines itself within a context... or , i'm quite sure  
> the
> web will need these objects... or/and... or and and... or or and...)
>
> definetely, rural design is not binary:
> http://www.yannleguennec.com/blog/2006/09/17/square-on-the-beach/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> bob catchpole a probablement écrit :
>>
>> Yann,
>>
>> The other day someone posted on this list about a project that was a
>> "research platform... on the potential of translocally networked  
>> spatial
>> practices." The project, it was claimed, investigates "urban network
>> processes, spaces of geocultural crises, and forms of cultural
>> participation and self-determination" in which "sites of alternative
>> urban engagement are collected on a database" as research into  
>> "emerging
>> architectural cultures."
>>
>> By contrast, your text is eloquence personified. I really wouldn't  
>> worry
>> about it.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> *From:* info * * Monday, 2 February, 2009 21:34:09
>> *Subject:* [NetBehaviour] Does it mean something?
>>
>> Hello Netbehaviourists,
>>
>> i'd like to know if the following text means something in  
>> english... i'm
>> not sure, please let me know.
>>
>> cheers,
>> yann
>>
>>
>> "Infoscape is an online image generator, using web server log  
>> files and
>> background pictures to compose static images. Data extracted from log
>> files, or from a database, are dripped onto the background picture,
>> chosen by the user, in a way called ’statistic dripping’, as a  
>> tribute
>> to Jackson Pollock .
>>
>> In Statistic Dripping, the canvas is a picture selected on the  
>> network
>> by the painter. The painter is the user of the application. The  
>> movement
>> is the trace of website visitors displacements, treated by the  
>> software.
>>
>> Furthermore, Infoscape works on JPEG compression level in order to
>> transgress photography and reveal the intrinsic digital nature of the
>> generated image. It confronts localized space evoked on pre-selected
>> background picture and remote data included into these spaces, and  
>> doing
>> so, it is a conceptual tool to preconfigure and reflect upon  
>> ubiquitous
>> computing and the ability for every atom on earth to get an IP  
>> address
>> and a digital identity."
>>
>> http://www.yannleguennec.com/blog/2004/12/28/infoscape/
>>
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Re: [NetBehaviour] P22 Music Text Composition Generator.

[benjamin]

maybe more to the other way around ? - create a piece of music which  
is readable through the linear architecture of musical notation or  
archiving of variants in sound production across different  
conformative instruments.  raises the question of musical pedagogy  
well. conformation, again.. perhaps i have issues, but the idea of  
the oldest tuning fork in europe, for the middle C, does tend to seem  
endlessly stimulating. the form responsible for so many tuned minds,  
pop songs, patterns, tastes, opinions and pre-sets towards discord  
and harmony, computerised gismos to keep youth in perspective.. the  
list is endless.
my guitar has 4 strings and i don't know what strings they are.


On 30 Jan 2009, at 13:42, Corrado Morgana wrote:

> As a bit of a musical sod, it's interesting as a piece of reverse
> cryptography for want of a better term. Desciphering the algorithm for
> musicality rather than seeing what passages of text sound like,  
> writing text
> specifically for it's musical qualities. Ending up with several
> intertwingled artefacts, Text: probably concrete poetic in form,  
> the music
> itself and the act of decryption
>
> Off I go...
>
> C
>
> -Original Message-
> From: netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org
> [mailto:netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org] On Behalf Of benjamin
> Sent: 30 January 2009 1:39 PM
> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity
> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] P22 Music Text Composition Generator.
>
> cheers marc. i'm sitting here writing a solo for cello from a psycho
> geographic journey to the river for exhibition this spring. sure
> there's some useful theory in p22.
>
>
>
> On 30 Jan 2009, at 13:30, marc garrett wrote:
>
>> Hi Benjamin,
>>
>> Here is where it began :-)
>>
>> I recently posted a link this below
>>
>> ->
>>
>> P22 Music Text Composition Generator.
>>
>> The P22 Music Text Composition Generator allows any text to be
>> converted
>> into a musical composition. This composition is displayed in musical
>> notation and simultaneously generated as a midi file.
>>
>> The P22 Music Composition Font was proposed in 1997 to the John Cage
>> Trust as an accompaniment to the John Cage text font based on the
>> handwriting of the composer. The idea was basic and simple-every
>> letter
>> of the alphabet was assigned to a note on a scale. This would allow
>> for
>> any text to be converted into musical notation. The idea was
>> rejected by
>> the John Cage Trust, however the John Cage Silence font based on his
>> famous 4'33" composition was accepted and continues to be offered for
>> sale to this day. An earlier project based on the work of Marcel
>> Duchamp
>> was also influential in the evolution of this project. This page and
>> current project has no affiliation with John Cage, the John Cage  
>> Trust
>> or the Marcel Duchamp estate.
>>
>> http://p22.com/musicfont/
>>
>>
>>> i cant find the rest of this conversation. has the title changed ?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 30 Jan 2009, at 13:13, marc garrett wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Not sure Rob, but I know for a fact that he didn't use Midi :-)
>>>>
>>>> marc
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 12:39 PM, marc garrett
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The idea was basic and simple-every letter
>>>>>> of the alphabet was assigned to a note on a scale.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Didn't Mozart use something like this for commissions?  I don't
>>>>> mean
>>>>> the dice game named after him, I'm sure I heard somewhere that
>>>>> he had
>>>>> a letter-to-note-sequence system.
>>>>>
>>>>> Grr. I wish I kept better references. ;-)
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Re: [NetBehaviour] P22 Music Text Composition Generator.

[benjamin]

cheers marc. i'm sitting here writing a solo for cello from a psycho  
geographic journey to the river for exhibition this spring. sure  
there's some useful theory in p22.



On 30 Jan 2009, at 13:30, marc garrett wrote:

> Hi Benjamin,
>
> Here is where it began :-)
>
> I recently posted a link this below
>
> ->
>
> P22 Music Text Composition Generator.
>
> The P22 Music Text Composition Generator allows any text to be  
> converted
> into a musical composition. This composition is displayed in musical
> notation and simultaneously generated as a midi file.
>
> The P22 Music Composition Font was proposed in 1997 to the John Cage
> Trust as an accompaniment to the John Cage text font based on the
> handwriting of the composer. The idea was basic and simple-every  
> letter
> of the alphabet was assigned to a note on a scale. This would allow  
> for
> any text to be converted into musical notation. The idea was  
> rejected by
> the John Cage Trust, however the John Cage Silence font based on his
> famous 4'33" composition was accepted and continues to be offered for
> sale to this day. An earlier project based on the work of Marcel  
> Duchamp
> was also influential in the evolution of this project. This page and
> current project has no affiliation with John Cage, the John Cage Trust
> or the Marcel Duchamp estate.
>
> http://p22.com/musicfont/
>
>
>> i cant find the rest of this conversation. has the title changed ?
>>
>>
>> On 30 Jan 2009, at 13:13, marc garrett wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Not sure Rob, but I know for a fact that he didn't use Midi :-)
>>>
>>> marc
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 12:39 PM, marc garrett
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The idea was basic and simple-every letter
>>>>> of the alphabet was assigned to a note on a scale.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Didn't Mozart use something like this for commissions?  I don't  
>>>> mean
>>>> the dice game named after him, I'm sure I heard somewhere that  
>>>> he had
>>>> a letter-to-note-sequence system.
>>>>
>>>> Grr. I wish I kept better references. ;-)
>>>>
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Re: [NetBehaviour] P22 Music Text Composition Generator.

[benjamin]

i cant find the rest of this conversation. has the title changed ?


On 30 Jan 2009, at 13:13, marc garrett wrote:

> Not sure Rob, but I know for a fact that he didn't use Midi :-)
>
> marc
>> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 12:39 PM, marc garrett
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> The idea was basic and simple-every letter
>>> of the alphabet was assigned to a note on a scale.
>>>
>>
>> Didn't Mozart use something like this for commissions?  I don't mean
>> the dice game named after him, I'm sure I heard somewhere that he had
>> a letter-to-note-sequence system.
>>
>> Grr. I wish I kept better references. ;-)
>>
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: [ORG-discuss] London Hack Space

[benjamin]

It seems there is still a deal of room for development in London,  
considering the activity in much of the rest of Europe. Though  
perhaps it might be an uphill struggle, new media is a major theme  
adjacent to my practice and I've a couple of connections we could  
explore to support any practice.

(been chatting to the bones recently)


Warm regards,

Benjamin.




On 26 Jan 2009, at 22:27, APO33 wrote:

> Hi
> we are trying to set up a medialab since one year in Area10 where we
> could welcome such meeting and open the space for projects like that.
> We faced a lot of difficulties due to the space condition. The space
> that would have been dedicated to it have been flooded 2 weeks ago...
>
> http://www.a10lab.info is the backup website of few months ago (our
> server was under water!!!)
>
> We are actually looking for a new space for the medialab, or in Area10
> or near.
>
> Also we are actually opening a new space in Cossall Estate, peckham,
> dedicated to new media, hacking, open hardware, free software,
> workshop, digital art...etc
>
> I will join the list and propose it there but if some guys are already
> interested we could talk about it for some meeting or proposition.
>
> the space should be operational early march!
>
>
> cheers
>
>
> Julien Ottavi
>
>
>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Jonty Wareing 
>> Date: Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 11:11 PM
>> Subject: [ORG-discuss] London Hack Space
>> To: org-disc...@lists.openrightsgroup.org
>>
>>
>> For some time now London has been in need of a proper hacker space.
>> The number of hacking
>> groups has exploded over the last year or so with new events popping
>> up every weekend.
>> Despite this we're still missing a meeting place, a place where we  
>> can
>> store projects
>> and share ideas. Where we can meet like minded people who share our
>> passions. Where we can
>> learn new skills without making a significant investment.
>>
>> We'd like to change that, but we need people to help.
>>
>> If you're interested, we've set up a preliminary mailing list on
>> google groups where we can
>> gather. It's just temporary until we come up with a name and have  
>> more
>> solid foundations.
>>
>> Find us here: http://groups.google.com/group/london-hack-space
>>
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: [ORG-discuss] London Hack Space

[benjamin]

i've a friend setting up some studio spaces - they'll be very  
affordable - in bethnal green on hackney rd. - need a space myself  
for development of collaborative art cultures



On 26 Jan 2009, at 14:36, benjamin wrote:

> im trying to set up a london based online support for the inter
> exchange of technologies through a members market and a director of
> useful stores and distributors. the site's nearly finished, though
> there needs to be more in ways of function to properly qualify for a
> specialist media lab for the london locality. there's the gap
>
>
>
> On 26 Jan 2009, at 14:25, Antonio Roberts wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to set something up like that in Birmingham currently. It
>> seems there's interest in it, but not the manpower. Good luck with
>> yours, I may travel down to see it too.
>>
>> Ant
>>
>> 2009/1/26 Rob Myers :
>>> -- Forwarded message --
>>> From: Jonty Wareing 
>>> Date: Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 11:11 PM
>>> Subject: [ORG-discuss] London Hack Space
>>> To: org-disc...@lists.openrightsgroup.org
>>>
>>>
>>> For some time now London has been in need of a proper hacker space.
>>> The number of hacking
>>> groups has exploded over the last year or so with new events popping
>>> up every weekend.
>>> Despite this we're still missing a meeting place, a place where we
>>> can
>>> store projects
>>> and share ideas. Where we can meet like minded people who share our
>>> passions. Where we can
>>> learn new skills without making a significant investment.
>>>
>>> We'd like to change that, but we need people to help.
>>>
>>> If you're interested, we've set up a preliminary mailing list on
>>> google groups where we can
>>> gather. It's just temporary until we come up with a name and have
>>> more
>>> solid foundations.
>>>
>>> Find us here: http://groups.google.com/group/london-hack-space
>>>
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Fwd: [ORG-discuss] London Hack Space

[benjamin]

im trying to set up a london based online support for the inter  
exchange of technologies through a members market and a director of  
useful stores and distributors. the site's nearly finished, though  
there needs to be more in ways of function to properly qualify for a  
specialist media lab for the london locality. there's the gap



On 26 Jan 2009, at 14:25, Antonio Roberts wrote:

> I'm trying to set something up like that in Birmingham currently. It
> seems there's interest in it, but not the manpower. Good luck with
> yours, I may travel down to see it too.
>
> Ant
>
> 2009/1/26 Rob Myers :
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Jonty Wareing 
>> Date: Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 11:11 PM
>> Subject: [ORG-discuss] London Hack Space
>> To: org-disc...@lists.openrightsgroup.org
>>
>>
>> For some time now London has been in need of a proper hacker space.
>> The number of hacking
>> groups has exploded over the last year or so with new events popping
>> up every weekend.
>> Despite this we're still missing a meeting place, a place where we  
>> can
>> store projects
>> and share ideas. Where we can meet like minded people who share our
>> passions. Where we can
>> learn new skills without making a significant investment.
>>
>> We'd like to change that, but we need people to help.
>>
>> If you're interested, we've set up a preliminary mailing list on
>> google groups where we can
>> gather. It's just temporary until we come up with a name and have  
>> more
>> solid foundations.
>>
>> Find us here: http://groups.google.com/group/london-hack-space
>>
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Is it just me (trad-posturing)?

[benjamin]

we need to redefine where people thing art is.
galleries like museums, dead, places of reflection;
art is something which happens with life and animation... and wine !


On 6 Jan 2009, at 18:51, { brad brace } wrote:

>
> well, you'll hate me, but I'll tell you: it's simply a ponzi
> scheme; the only people who benefit are those that entice
> endless new suckers to pay the game... I've been working for
> over 35 years and I've yet to encounter even one person who
> continually makes even a rudimentary living from their
> career as an artist... this unconscionable artworld scam
> only supports the upper institutional echelons and their
> well-heeled cohorts with some dribble-down effect for the
> myopic acolytes with minor schemes (who are now online by
> the thousands)
>
> the maddening thing is that these obscenely funded
> institutions (that we're required to support with our taxes)
> deliberately oppose individual and grassroot autonomous
> efforts
>
>
> /:b
>
>
> "We fill the craters left by the bombs
> And once again we sing
> And once again we sow
> Because life never surrenders."
> -- anonymous Vietnamese poem
>
> "Nothing can be said about the sea."
> -- Mr Selvam, Akkrapattai, India 2004
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Is it just me?

[benjamin]

net behaviour is the next world power ?


On 5 Jan 2009, at 10:38, Mason Dixon wrote:

>>>
>>>
>>> it's good that you're making a record of "our" two-headed circus of
>>> war mongers and economists.
>>
>>
>> "As the "Art" World Turns"
>
> Oh My God. OMG.  O. M. G.  OMFG.
>
> seriously.  is this really what yall are talking about?
>
> for fucks sake.  whatever a fucking sake is, is this seriously what
> yall have to say?
>
> ok. jesus:
>
> A) for the first time in recorded history, ART has something to say.
>
> B) global politics, as we know them, are about to make a FUNDAMENTAL
> shift.
>
> is know one watching "Chicago Ten"
> or "The Murder of Fred Hampton"
>
> does it really have to be on the wall before you can see it?
>
> the pieces are there, all you have to do is find them.
> I fully support putting them together HERE.
>
> ~ Jerry Rubin X
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Is it just me?

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On 4 Jan 2009, at 17:35, marc garrett wrote:

> Hi Benjamin,
>
>> when you put it like that things do seem overwhelmingly negative. is
>> fascism the new peace ?
>
> The irony of it all, as powerful people propose that they are creating
> peace through killing others - shameful...
>

it's good that you're making a record of "our" two-headed circus of  
war mongers and economists.




> marc
>
>
> On 4 Jan 2009, at 17:21, marc garrett wrote:
>
>>> Hi Benjamin,
>>>
>>> Yes, I understand what you mean in respect of things dying in  
>>> people.
>>>
>>> I've been writing for this crisis project that xDxD & his friends
>>> initiated, I'm nearly finished - but I have written more than I
>>> intended
>>> because there is so much which needs refering to regarding what's  
>>> been
>>> happening in respect of neoliberalism's takeover of our cultures and
>>> deadening social values & of course the violence by states against
>>> others states & its civilians, & not forgetting climate change
>>> which, as
>>> James Lovelock says 'it's too late idiots!', a misquote but I'm you
>>> get
>>> what I mean here.
>>>
>>> So, I can imagine the depth and things that you have been
>>> uncovering...
>>>
>>> marc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>> i don't think you necessarily have a negative focus there marc.
>>>>>
>>>>> i've been working on an event here in london. the curatorial  
>>>>> focus is
>>>>> death in the metropolis or death in the big city. researching and
>>>>> discussing the things which die in people in london has been a  
>>>>> very
>>>>> interesting focus.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4 Jan 2009, at 16:55, marc garrett wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Simon,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By nature, I am an optimist - but the bad being normal thing,
> is not
>>>>>>> killing people its killing us all in so many other ways...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> sorry for being miserable today, i'll get myself a coffee & some
>>>>>>> sweets  ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> marc
>>>>>>>>> It is going to be a mixed year. Good (Obama) and bad (the
> economy,
>>>>>>>>> Gaza, etc). On balance bad seems to exceed good – but that’s
>>>>>>>>> normal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Simon
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/1/09 16:35, "marc garrett"  
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Netbehaviourists,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is it just me, or were there others out there who found it
>>>>>>>>> extremely
>>>>>>>>> hard to feel positive about the New Year, an failed to
>>>>>>>>> celebrate?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> marc
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Is it just me?

[benjamin]

when you put it like that things do seem overwhelmingly negative. is  
fascism the new peace ?


On 4 Jan 2009, at 17:21, marc garrett wrote:

> Hi Benjamin,
>
> Yes, I understand what you mean in respect of things dying in people.
>
> I've been writing for this crisis project that xDxD & his friends
> initiated, I'm nearly finished - but I have written more than I  
> intended
> because there is so much which needs refering to regarding what's been
> happening in respect of neoliberalism's takeover of our cultures and
> deadening social values & of course the violence by states against
> others states & its civilians, & not forgetting climate change  
> which, as
> James Lovelock says 'it's too late idiots!', a misquote but I'm you  
> get
> what I mean here.
>
> So, I can imagine the depth and things that you have been  
> uncovering...
>
> marc
>
>
>
>
>> i don't think you necessarily have a negative focus there marc.
>>
>> i've been working on an event here in london. the curatorial focus is
>> death in the metropolis or death in the big city. researching and
>> discussing the things which die in people in london has been a very
>> interesting focus.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 4 Jan 2009, at 16:55, marc garrett wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Simon,
>>>
>>> By nature, I am an optimist - but the bad being normal thing, is not
>>> killing people its killing us all in so many other ways...
>>>
>>> sorry for being miserable today, i'll get myself a coffee & some
>>> sweets ;-)
>>>
>>> marc
>>>> It is going to be a mixed year. Good (Obama) and bad (the economy,
>>>> Gaza, etc). On balance bad seems to exceed good – but that’s  
>>>> normal.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Simon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 4/1/09 16:35, "marc garrett" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Netbehaviourists,
>>>>
>>>> Is it just me, or were there others out there who found it
>>>> extremely
>>>> hard to feel positive about the New Year, an failed to  
>>>> celebrate?
>>>>
>>>> marc
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>>>>
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>>>>
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Is it just me?

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i don't think you necessarily have a negative focus there marc.

i've been working on an event here in london. the curatorial focus is  
death in the metropolis or death in the big city. researching and  
discussing the things which die in people in london has been a very  
interesting focus.



On 4 Jan 2009, at 16:55, marc garrett wrote:

> Hi Simon,
>
> By nature, I am an optimist - but the bad being normal thing, is not
> killing people its killing us all in so many other ways...
>
> sorry for being miserable today, i'll get myself a coffee & some  
> sweets ;-)
>
> marc
>> It is going to be a mixed year. Good (Obama) and bad (the economy,
>> Gaza, etc). On balance bad seems to exceed good – but that’s normal.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Simon
>>
>>
>> On 4/1/09 16:35, "marc garrett"   
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>>
>> Hi Netbehaviourists,
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>> Is it just me, or were there others out there who found it  
>> extremely
>> hard to feel positive about the New Year, an failed to celebrate?
>>
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Last night at the ESP-Disk LIVE @ The Bowery Poetry Club event

[benjamin]

could i suggest that you perhpas make your own mailing list to  
announce your new works ?.. or is THIS your list ?



On 17 Dec 2008, at 17:51, Alan Sondheim wrote:

>
>
>
> Last night at the ESP-Disk LIVE @ The Bowery Poetry Club event
>
>
> for the Barnacle release and my 1048 re-release
>
> http://www.alansondheim.org/esp2.mp3
>
> solo nylon acoustic-electric guitar
> then Azure Carter, song and voice,
> with electric guitar
>
> (There's some static in the Club pipeline at one point when Azure's
> singing, but the recording is pretty clear.)
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Re: [NetBehaviour] overrun

[benjamin]

hello brad. i like your pdf. would you tell us a little more about  
the project / the images ?



warm regards

benjamin
arts industries professional

ps. some problems with replying to your personal address



On 23 Nov 2008, at 23:56, { brad brace } wrote:



a small free pdf-photo book
withdrawn 12hr-images

http://216.70.118.235/overrun.pdf
6.6 mb

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Re: [NetBehaviour] Selling software art

[benjamin]

>> museums (in the institutional form predating the Anglophonic  
>> notion of
>> "gallery") should be free. Such socially specific notions
>
> I thought "gallery," historically, referred to any kind of porch or
> open area, and, since art would typically be displayed in such an area
> ...

a porch or open area.. gosh.

my understanding goes "in continental europe a gallery is more like a  
shopping arcade or a store.. supposedly that is in fact the  
underlying principle of galleries in england (and perhaps the  
states), too; although they are more so just places to go an look at  
art - where as a museum would be a place to go and look at historical  
artefacts, artistic or otherwise. thought i'm lead to believe that on  
the european continent one would visit museums on both accounts.

it was decided in the first days of collecting objects which contain  
interesting culture (he begginning of the rennaisence through  
humanism) that all collections should be free for public viewing.

> (Etymologically it comes from Old French via the Italian galleria
> 'gallery,' which at one time also meant simply 'church porch,' from
> medieval Latin galeria, which some say is an alteration of galilea
> (like Galilee). Hm.)

interesting considering the first proper public uses of art were to  
commission works which could communicate ideas to the illiterate public.

>
> Also, I don't know anything about the history of the museum/gallery,
> and if any Netbehaviourists could refer me to any decent
> histories/historians here, I'd appreciate it!
>
> Thanks,
> Vijay
>
> 2008/11/18 benjamin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> it does, generally. such wide spread adhesion to the bourgeois  
>> idea that
>> museums (in the institutional form predating the Anglophonic  
>> notion of
>> "gallery") should be free. Such socially specific notions have  
>> rarely been
>> adopted by the theatric arts.
>>
>>
>> On 18 Nov 2008, at 15:12, bob catchpole wrote:
>>
>> That's the most honest comment so far... and gets right to the  
>> heart of the
>> conundrum.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> 
>> From: Pall Thayer Tuesday, 18 November, 2008 15:42:19
>>
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Re: [NetBehaviour] Selling software art

[benjamin]

it does, generally. such wide spread adhesion to the bourgeois idea  
that museums (in the institutional form predating the Anglophonic  
notion of "gallery") should be free. Such socially specific notions  
have rarely been adopted by the theatric arts.




On 18 Nov 2008, at 15:12, bob catchpole wrote:

That's the most honest comment so far... and gets right to the  
heart of the conundrum.


Bob

From: Pall Thayer Tuesday, 18 November, 2008 15:42:19

> sometimes it would be nice to get something back.



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Re: [NetBehaviour] Selling software art

[benjamin]

you might find ideasonair an interesting project simon: http:// 
www.ideasonair.net/aboutideasonair.html


On 18 Nov 2008, at 14:51, Simon Biggs wrote:

I think that makes you a quantum artist! Is that a first? Or are  
all artists quantum? Can we have quantum art objects (both  
commodities and not commodities)?


Regards

Simon


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Just don't ask me to explain what I mean. Sometimes you just have  
to be on both sides of the fence at the same time.




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Re: [NetBehaviour] Selling software art

[benjamin]

do you have a rhizome card sir ?


On 18 Nov 2008, at 14:45, richard willis wrote:


sounds great, i'll take two. will i get any nectar points?



2008/11/18 benjamin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Noun
commodity (plural commodities)
Anything movable (a good) that is bought and sold.
1995, James G. Carrier, Gifts and Commodities: Exchange and Western  
Capitalism Since 1700, p.122[[1]]
If a key part of shopping is the conversion of anonymous  
commodities into possessions, shopping is a cultural as much as an  
economic activity.

2001, Rachel Pain, Introducing Social Geographies, p. 26 [[2]]
In human geography "commodities" usually refers to goods and  
services which are bought and sold. The simplest commodities are  
those produced by the production system just before they are sold.
2005, William Leiss, Botterill, Jacki, Social Communication in  
Advertising: Consumption in the Mediated Marketplace, p.307 [[3]]
Referring to the work of Bourdieu, Zukin (2004,38) notes that  
shopping is much more than the purchase of commodities

Something useful or valuable.
And Slade said: "It really makes me sad that football club chairmen  
and boards seem to have lost that most precious commodity -  
patience. "Sam's sacking at Newcastle had, I suppose, been on the  
cards for a while, but it is really ridiculous to fire a manager  
after such a short time. Somerset County Gazette on Jan. 14th, 2008.
(economics) Raw materials, agricultural products and other primary  
products as objects of large scale trading in specialized exchanges.
The price of crude oil is determined in continuous trading between  
professional players in World's many commodities exchanges.
(marketing) Undifferentiated goods characterized by a low profit  
margin, as distinguished from branded products.
Although they were once in the forefront of consumer electronics,  
the calculators have become a mere commodity.



On 18 Nov 2008, at 14:23, marc garrett wrote:


Hi Patrick & Simon,

Is it an object before it turns into a consumer-based commodity,  
or after?


marc


What makes an object art?

It is clear that these objects are destined to be commodities.

Can an art object be a commodity? Can commodities be art objects  
and remain

commodities? Is Duchamps Fountain still a urinal? I seem to remember
somebody testing this hypothesis.

Regards

Simon


On 18/11/08 13:33, "patrick simons"  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Are these art objects?!
patrick

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Pall Thayer  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I've got some work for sale. Here's the long and short of it.

I'm going to be exhibiting a piece of mine called Exist.pl  
(some of
you may remember it as it was developed via discussions here  
on the
list as well as other lists) at the MakeArt festival in France  
in a
couple of weeks. The work will also be exhibited as part of  
the Piksel
festival in Bergen, Norway. Here in Iceland we have what's  
called The
Center for Icelandic Art. Their job is to provide financial  
assistance

to artists taking their work abroad. They're the only source for
travel grants for short trips like this one. I applied, I got  
rejected
(with no explanation of why), I have this nagging feeling that  
they
don't "get" this type of art. So what I would like to do now,  
is to
sell copies of this work to get some funds towards the trip (I  
had

already bought flight tickets before I got rejected). The work
consists of a piece of software running on a computer. It doesn't
produce any output but it's doing a lot of background work. So to
provide the viewer with some information on what's going on,  
four A2
sized posters, displaying the source code at various stages of  
the

softwares development, will be displayed.

The software itself is free under the GPL license and lives at
http://code.google.com/p/existpl

But I have for sale a limited edition of twenty sets of these  
posters.
I'll only sell them in sets. There are four posters in the  
set. These

are signed and numbered, high quality color prints suitable for
framing. Ideally, they would be displayed in a row on a wall  
with a
computer nearby to run the software when the owner chooses  
(but this
entirely up to the purchaser of the work). You can see a small  
version

of what they look like at the following URLs:

http://pallit.lhi.is/~palli/code1.pdf
<http://pallit.lhi.is/%7Epalli/code1.pdf>
http://pallit.lhi.is/~palli/code2.pdf
<http://pallit.lhi.is/%7Epalli/code2.pdf>
http://pallit.lhi.is/~palli/code3.pdf
<http://pallit.lhi.is/%7Epalli/code3.pdf>
http://pallit.lhi.is/~palli/code4.pdf
<http://pallit.lhi.is/%7Epalli/code4.pdf>

The price is $50 per set. If I manage to sell all twenty sets,  
this

will provide enough to cover printing and mailing costs, with the
remainder being approximately what I applied for from The  
Center fo

Re: [NetBehaviour] Selling software art

[benjamin]

Noun
commodity (plural commodities)
Anything movable (a good) that is bought and sold.
1995, James G. Carrier, Gifts and Commodities: Exchange and Western  
Capitalism Since 1700, p.122[[1]]
If a key part of shopping is the conversion of anonymous commodities  
into possessions, shopping is a cultural as much as an economic  
activity.

2001, Rachel Pain, Introducing Social Geographies, p. 26 [[2]]
In human geography "commodities" usually refers to goods and services  
which are bought and sold. The simplest commodities are those  
produced by the production system just before they are sold.
2005, William Leiss, Botterill, Jacki, Social Communication in  
Advertising: Consumption in the Mediated Marketplace, p.307 [[3]]
Referring to the work of Bourdieu, Zukin (2004,38) notes that  
shopping is much more than the purchase of commodities

Something useful or valuable.
And Slade said: "It really makes me sad that football club chairmen  
and boards seem to have lost that most precious commodity - patience.  
"Sam's sacking at Newcastle had, I suppose, been on the cards for a  
while, but it is really ridiculous to fire a manager after such a  
short time. Somerset County Gazette on Jan. 14th, 2008.
(economics) Raw materials, agricultural products and other primary  
products as objects of large scale trading in specialized exchanges.
The price of crude oil is determined in continuous trading between  
professional players in World's many commodities exchanges.
(marketing) Undifferentiated goods characterized by a low profit  
margin, as distinguished from branded products.
Although they were once in the forefront of consumer electronics, the  
calculators have become a mere commodity.



On 18 Nov 2008, at 14:23, marc garrett wrote:


Hi Patrick & Simon,

Is it an object before it turns into a consumer-based commodity, or  
after?


marc


What makes an object art?

It is clear that these objects are destined to be commodities.

Can an art object be a commodity? Can commodities be art objects  
and remain

commodities? Is Duchamps Fountain still a urinal? I seem to remember
somebody testing this hypothesis.

Regards

Simon


On 18/11/08 13:33, "patrick simons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



Are these art objects?!
patrick

On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Pall Thayer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:

I've got some work for sale. Here's the long and short of it.

I'm going to be exhibiting a piece of mine called Exist.pl  
(some of
you may remember it as it was developed via discussions here on  
the
list as well as other lists) at the MakeArt festival in France  
in a
couple of weeks. The work will also be exhibited as part of the  
Piksel
festival in Bergen, Norway. Here in Iceland we have what's  
called The
Center for Icelandic Art. Their job is to provide financial  
assistance

to artists taking their work abroad. They're the only source for
travel grants for short trips like this one. I applied, I got  
rejected
(with no explanation of why), I have this nagging feeling that  
they
don't "get" this type of art. So what I would like to do now,  
is to

sell copies of this work to get some funds towards the trip (I had
already bought flight tickets before I got rejected). The work
consists of a piece of software running on a computer. It doesn't
produce any output but it's doing a lot of background work. So to
provide the viewer with some information on what's going on,  
four A2

sized posters, displaying the source code at various stages of the
softwares development, will be displayed.

The software itself is free under the GPL license and lives at
http://code.google.com/p/existpl

But I have for sale a limited edition of twenty sets of these  
posters.
I'll only sell them in sets. There are four posters in the set.  
These

are signed and numbered, high quality color prints suitable for
framing. Ideally, they would be displayed in a row on a wall  
with a
computer nearby to run the software when the owner chooses (but  
this
entirely up to the purchaser of the work). You can see a small  
version

of what they look like at the following URLs:

http://pallit.lhi.is/~palli/code1.pdf

http://pallit.lhi.is/~palli/code2.pdf

http://pallit.lhi.is/~palli/code3.pdf

http://pallit.lhi.is/~palli/code4.pdf


The price is $50 per set. If I manage to sell all twenty sets,  
this

will provide enough to cover printing and mailing costs, with the
remainder being approximately what I applied for from The  
Center for

Icelandic Art.

On top of being colorful and thought provoking, they create an
interesting visual pattern when lined up together.

Please contact me offlist if you're interested.

Pall Thayer

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[NetBehaviour] artes.net direct

[benjamin]

i am looking for collaborators to help set up a european arts events  
and technicians directory. the directory will feature multiple  
entries for major cities in an online searchable database.


if you are interested in finding out more about the financial plans  
or to discuss details, please contact me on [EMAIL PROTECTED]


best wishes,
sincerely,

Benjamin Bailey de Paor
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[NetBehaviour] artes.net union

[benjamin]

Artes.net is a proposal for a union of artists working in voluntary,  
intern, unpaid and non arts employment in London, England.


If you would like to discuss the intentions of the union or to become  
involved, please let me know.



Best wishes,
Sincerely,

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Re: [NetBehaviour] ARTECH 2008 - 4th International Conference on Digital Arts, Porto.

[benjamin]

sweety your message is making me laugh. I only use this thing for  
inviting people to partys and to look at friends photos.



On 21 Oct 2008, at 17:47, Chiara Passa wrote:


ARTECH 2008 | Nas Fronteiras do Imaginário 4th International
Conference on Digital Arts

7, 8 | November Portuguese Catholic University | Porto


Artech 2008 is the fourth international workshop held in Portugal and
Galicia on the topic of Digital Arts. It aims to promote contacts
between Iberian and International contributors concerned with the
conception, production and dissemination of Digital and Electronic
Art. Artech 2008 brings the scientific, technological and artistic
community together, promoting the interest in the digital culture and
its intersection with art and technology as an important research
field, a common space for discussion, an exchange of experiences, a
forum for emerging digital artists and a way of understanding and
appreciating new forms of cultural expression.

ARTECH 2008 is also Co-located with the Events:
Olhares de Outono 2008 New Trends in Digital Arts Festival, 3-8  
Nov. 2008

Digital GAMES 2008 Conference on Digital Games, 6, 7 Nov. 2008

http://www.artes.ucp.pt/artech2008/

Main Topics:

Main areas are related with sound, image, video, music, multimedia and
other new media related topics, in the context of emerging practice of
artistic creation. Although non exclusive, the main topics of the
conference are:

   * Art and Science
   * Audio-Visual and Multimedia Design
   * Creativity Theory
   * Electronic Music
   * Generative and Algorithmic Art
   * Interactive Systems for Artistic Applications
   * Media Art history
   * Mobile Multimedia
   * Net Art and Digital Culture
   * New Experiences with New Media and New Applications
   * Tangible and Gesture Interfaces
   * Technology in Art Education
   * Virtual Reality and Augmented Reality

-- 
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ARTECH 2008 INSTALLATIONS PROGRAM -
http://www.artes.ucp.pt/artech2008/installations.html

Friday, 7 November 2008
Installation Session #1 - 9:30 - 20:30

Sala de coro (floor -1)

Instalación Interactiva "JCC, Brain Research II"
Agueda Simó

Sustainabillity  & Extinction
Bello Benischauer

Speaking at the Wall
Chiara Passa

Pink Music on FF Sale
Ciustódio Ricardino e Vitor Lago Silva

VideoSpace: a 3D Video Experience
Telmo Rocha e Teresa Chambel

Blood Landscapes
Richard O'Sullivan

Bar (floor -1)

Composição VIII
Paulo Cezar Barbosa Mello

Rádio room (floor -2)

Fonema Visual
Rui Figueiras, Marta Duarte e Miguel Cunha

---

Saturday, 8 November 2008
Installation Session #2 - 9:30 - 20:30

Sala de coro (floor -1)

Instalación Interactiva "JCC, Brain Research II"
Agueda Simó

Sustainabillity  & Extinction
Bello Benischauer

Speaking at the Wall
Chiara Passa

Pink Music on FF Sale
Ciustódio Ricardino e Vitor Lago Silva

VideoSpace: a 3D Video Experience
Telmo Rocha e Teresa Chambel

Blood Landscapes
Richard O'Sullivan

Bar (floor -1)

Composição VIII
Paulo Cezar Barbosa Mello

Rádio room (floor -2)

Trame
Ivano Morrone





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[NetBehaviour] THE CSSNAKETRIX/ this text is not my own

[benjamin]

this text is not my own; my impluse drives the discourse.this  
discourse is not my own it is sedimented within my capacity for  
understanding and seeing; i have been programmed to be this way.this  
way is not my own; i share it with the others who cross, traverce and  
transcend through our memeterrain; i share it with my housemate from  
the other side of the world, whoes parents met at the same place as  
mine, though from the other side of the world and who was conceived  
at the same time as me.my housemate is not my own though we share  
some of the same source code.


On 28 Sep 2008, at 11:24, james jwm-art net wrote:


THE CSSNAKETRIX

A new online semi-net-art-but-not-really-but-could-be-up-to-you
  (it has user interaction and a gallery woo)
/*it's 1130 now been coding since 1430 yesterday to finish this*/

Right,

THE CSSNAKETRIX is a new work created by me, not entirely
original. It's a text-focused work abusing CSS and layering
oodles and oodles of text in different colours and positions
into your web browser.

To begin with it has 8 examples, but you can modify these
and tamper with them and then save them to THE CSSNAKETRIX
GALLERY - but hurry, save spaces are limited to a hundred ;-)

http://www.jwm-art.net/cssnaketrix/snaketrix.php

Regards,
James.



ThE arRANGEment of tha C0d3 i5 m.y::own, i think,
atleast - I cut my own wood for it.

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Re: [NetBehaviour] this code is not my own

[benjamin]

this work is not my own. it is not my own because i have not  
created

it.
i did not create the connection between these keys and the virtual
memory with which they interact; nor did i create the manner in which
these words will be understood.


Nor did you create the category of art or the genre of net.art. But  
that

does not mean that your work would exist if you did not make it.


our work is work though our work is not our own; it lives in temporal  
memory, in the senses and in the contemplation of those who come  
across it.


a painter who paints did not create the paint with which they  
work; if
so, they did not create the paint's pigment; if so, they did not  
create
the canvas; if so they did not cut the wood from which the canvas  
frame
has been made; if the wood had not been cut straight, then the  
picture

would not be a rectangle.
the picture is not a rectangle anyway.


And yet, they paint.


they paint and paint and how disgusting their works are!


This can be contrasted with the postindustrial/outsourcing/offshoring
approach of Kostabi, Koons and Hirst.

(Or with a traditional artist's studio where an assistant would paint
the clothes or the hands.)


how the industrial revolution has put an end to our beautiful notions  
of gothisism.





through my work with coding i have come to see that no ones work is
their own, we can simply make manifest with the materials we have
learned to control.


There comes a point at which that which one is controlling, is the  
people who

are tangibly controlling the materials. At that point one's materials
are human beings, and the art is management not code.


our management is not our own; it lies within interactions between  
nodal points, charged towards putting the purpose upon their routes.



At that point the potential of code to resist its exploitation by
manageralism collapses and the artist simply reflects the ego of
corporate information culture.


our purposes are not our own; they are programmed into us and we,  
running along wires and lucid configurations of plastic, reformable  
space, imagine how the architecture surrounding us must have been  
necessary for some reason or another.



Harold Cohen's talk at the Tate a few years back (available to stream
here;
http://www.tate.org.uk/onlineevents/webcasts/harold_cohen/ 
default.jsp )

mentions the idea of code as craft.


our craft is not our own; we exist to configure, shape and forge  
materials for the reasons we may come to comprehend.



- Rob.


thanks rob!




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[NetBehaviour] this code is not my own

[benjamin]

//this code is not my own.
the fundamental code of a net.artist


	this work is not my own. it is not my own because i have not created  
it.
i did not create the connection between these keys and the virtual  
memory with which they interact; nor did i create the manner in which  
these words will be understood.


a painter who paints did not create the paint with which they work;  
if so, they did not create the paint's pigment; if so, they did not  
create the canvas; if so they did not cut the wood from which the  
canvas frame has been made; if the wood had not been cut straight,  
then the picture would not be a rectangle.

the picture is not a rectangle anyway.

through my work with coding i have come to see that no ones work is  
their own, we can simply make manifest with the materials we have  
learned to control.




Benjamin R. Bailey de Paor
Arts industries professional
cultura3





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