Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch]
Wow! Annie & Simon, Thanks for cooperating, we feel honored and do think that this kind of 'networked art' is something becoming more common and widespread, hopefully also outside 'our' little circle of real 'amateurs' ;) Andreas Maria Jacobs e: aj...@xs4all.nl m: 31 6 16 732 018 w: http://www.nictoglobe.com w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl On 2 Aug 2010, at 22:17, anniea wrote: http://bram.org/sound/silly.mp3 Yours Annie Abrahams and Simon Biggs On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Andreas Jacobs wrote: 'A short song text to be performed by Annie Abrahams & Simon Biggs over the Internet' Bitter tears of sorrow The small pay I' ll get tomorrow makes me stay invain and obsolete Neo Rauch in Leipzig, imprisoned in a white cubicle I see framed emptyness inside offered to art's tabernacle Artists silly and blind I love their kind (For James Morris) Andreas Maria Jacobs e: aj...@xs4all.nl m: 31 6 16 732 018 w: http://www.nictoglobe.com w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl On 28 Jul 2010, at 10:43, James Morris wrote: > On 28 July 2010 09:36, James Morris wrote: >> On 27 July 2010 13:50, Andreas Jacobs wrote: >>> James, >>> >>> It is non-visual art, so we can easily close our eyes for it. >>> >>> When we do not see or touch it, it ceased to exist in a material >>> world >>> >>> The remnants are immaterial socially constructed imagination >>> exercises >>> for and by 'Liebhaber', German language for amateurs. >>> >>> Not intending to be insulting, but I do think James made a point >>> with >>> his, maybe exaggarated, remarks. >>> >>> Me personally, like more anti-social art forms but that is because >>> of >>> my particular societal conditions >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Andreas Maria Jacobs >>> >> >> >> yes i'm an amateur, a dilettante with a desultory practice, a >> dreamer. >> >> there's no way in hell i'll ever seriously contemplate make a living >> from being an artist unless enough money to do so is handed to me >> on a >> plate. >> >> at this moment in time, i only want a job (which i have on a >> temporary >> contract (away from the clutches of the agency)). ideally it would be >> a job with less hours and pays better, but 8 hrs a day 5 days a week >> for almost £200 take-home (per week) is better than nothing. >> >> i find tree-climbing workshops insulting. >> > > The only thing art has ever done for me, is given me a £12000 stud ent > debt, a mechanism for making stuff out of my bitterness. > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- Documentation of Huis Clos / No Exit - On Translation Video, reactions of the performers and the public, photos and the performance protocol http://bram.org/huisclos/ontranslation/indexfr.html Article IF NOT YOU NOT ME, ANNIE ABRAHAMS AND LIFE IN NETWORKS, Maria Chatzichristodoulou in Digimag 54 May 2010 http://www.digicult.it/digimag/article.asp?id=1793 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch]
http://bram.org/sound/silly.mp3 Yours Annie Abrahams and Simon Biggs On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Andreas Jacobs wrote: > > > 'A short song text to be performed by Annie Abrahams & Simon Biggs > over the Internet' > > Bitter tears of sorrow > > The small pay > I' ll get tomorrow > > makes me stay > invain and obsolete > > Neo Rauch in Leipzig, > imprisoned in a white cubicle > I see framed emptyness inside > offered to art's tabernacle > > > Artists silly and blind > I love their kind > > > (For James Morris) > > Andreas Maria Jacobs > > e: aj...@xs4all.nl > m: 31 6 16 732 018 > > w: http://www.nictoglobe.com > w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl > > On 28 Jul 2010, at 10:43, James Morris wrote: > > > On 28 July 2010 09:36, James Morris wrote: > >> On 27 July 2010 13:50, Andreas Jacobs wrote: > >>> James, > >>> > >>> It is non-visual art, so we can easily close our eyes for it. > >>> > >>> When we do not see or touch it, it ceased to exist in a material > >>> world > >>> > >>> The remnants are immaterial socially constructed imagination > >>> exercises > >>> for and by 'Liebhaber', German language for amateurs. > >>> > >>> Not intending to be insulting, but I do think James made a point > >>> with > >>> his, maybe exaggarated, remarks. > >>> > >>> Me personally, like more anti-social art forms but that is because > >>> of > >>> my particular societal conditions > >>> > >>> Best > >>> > >>> Andreas Maria Jacobs > >>> > >> > >> > >> yes i'm an amateur, a dilettante with a desultory practice, a > >> dreamer. > >> > >> there's no way in hell i'll ever seriously contemplate make a living > >> from being an artist unless enough money to do so is handed to me > >> on a > >> plate. > >> > >> at this moment in time, i only want a job (which i have on a > >> temporary > >> contract (away from the clutches of the agency)). ideally it would be > >> a job with less hours and pays better, but 8 hrs a day 5 days a week > >> for almost £200 take-home (per week) is better than nothing. > >> > >> i find tree-climbing workshops insulting. > >> > > > > The only thing art has ever done for me, is given me a £12000 student > > debt, a mechanism for making stuff out of my bitterness. > > ___ > > NetBehaviour mailing list > > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > -- Documentation of Huis Clos / No Exit - On Translation Video, reactions of the performers and the public, photos and the performance protocol http://bram.org/huisclos/ontranslation/indexfr.html Article IF NOT YOU NOT ME, ANNIE ABRAHAMS AND LIFE IN NETWORKS, Maria Chatzichristodoulou in Digimag 54 May 2010 http://www.digicult.it/digimag/article.asp?id=1793 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch]
'A short song text to be performed by Annie Abrahams & Simon Biggs over the Internet' Bitter tears of sorrow The small pay I' ll get tomorrow makes me stay invain and obsolete Neo Rauch in Leipzig, imprisoned in a white cubicle I see framed emptyness inside offered to art's tabernacle Artists silly and blind I love their kind (For James Morris) Andreas Maria Jacobs e: aj...@xs4all.nl m: 31 6 16 732 018 w: http://www.nictoglobe.com w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl On 28 Jul 2010, at 10:43, James Morris wrote: > On 28 July 2010 09:36, James Morris wrote: >> On 27 July 2010 13:50, Andreas Jacobs wrote: >>> James, >>> >>> It is non-visual art, so we can easily close our eyes for it. >>> >>> When we do not see or touch it, it ceased to exist in a material >>> world >>> >>> The remnants are immaterial socially constructed imagination >>> exercises >>> for and by 'Liebhaber', German language for amateurs. >>> >>> Not intending to be insulting, but I do think James made a point >>> with >>> his, maybe exaggarated, remarks. >>> >>> Me personally, like more anti-social art forms but that is because >>> of >>> my particular societal conditions >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Andreas Maria Jacobs >>> >> >> >> yes i'm an amateur, a dilettante with a desultory practice, a >> dreamer. >> >> there's no way in hell i'll ever seriously contemplate make a living >> from being an artist unless enough money to do so is handed to me >> on a >> plate. >> >> at this moment in time, i only want a job (which i have on a >> temporary >> contract (away from the clutches of the agency)). ideally it would be >> a job with less hours and pays better, but 8 hrs a day 5 days a week >> for almost £200 take-home (per week) is better than nothing. >> >> i find tree-climbing workshops insulting. >> > > The only thing art has ever done for me, is given me a £12000 student > debt, a mechanism for making stuff out of my bitterness. > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch]
I./...WHICH GOVERNMENT/?/...SOME...ABSTRACT...GOVERNMENT/?/...WHERE'S YOUR GOVERNMENT/?/...*MAIN SUBJECT*/TERM TAKEN FROM J.HABERMAS/-USA- IS UNIVERSAL GOVERNMENT...ALL OTHERS ARE MORE...OR...LESS..IMPORTANT SECTIONS... II./...WE HAVE IN SERBIA PARADIGM THAT OUR GOVERNMENT IS NOT EVEN BRANCH OF *MAIN SUBJECT*...IT'S /CONSIDERED ART AND ART INFRASTRUCTURE/ PROVINCES OF GEORGE SOROS 'HIGH' INTERES/*HUMAN RIGHTS WITH TASTE OF SLAVERY*/...ART WAS CHIPEST AND HE BUY IT/WITH PEOPLE AND BUILDINGS/... III./IN ONE REVIEW ON LEW MANOWICH'S TEXT/RHIZOME...FEW YEARS AGO/ON HIS INTRODUCTION/PARAPHRASE/'WE LIVE IN TIME OF REMIX'...I WROTE THAT THERE ISN'T ANY *WE*...IT'S ONLY *US*/WEST WITH RULE IDEOLOGY OF CORPORATIVE CAPITALISM/ AND others...PERIPHERY/ SOMETIMES IT'S NAMED AS 'THIRD WORLD'/ IV./IT'S OBWIOUS YOUR TALK ABOUT*US* AND WITH THAT ACT YOU CONFIRM PRESENT STATE/DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING!/...THAT'S TYPICAL ATTITUDE FOR MIDLE-AGE-WELL-OFF CLERK ...AND YOU/IT'S OBVIOUS/ BELONG TO THAT BUREAUCRACY... V./WE FIND IT'S FUNNY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT IS *OUR* PROBLEM...BECAUSE WE COULD TALK ONLY WHAT BOTHER *US*...BECAUSE THERE'S NOT other...ACTUALY other IS CONSTITUTIVE FOR *US*...BUT ONLY IN CASE WHEN *US* DON'T WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT other...*US*RECOGNISE MICRO DIFFERENCE IN HIS OWN SYSTEM...AND WITH EXPANSIVE POLITICS/WAR AND POST-NEO-COLONIAL.../MAKE SUSPSTITUTE FOR MISSING other... VI./*WE*DON'T BELONG TO *US*...THAT'S WHY GOVERNMENT WHO TAKE CARE ONLY ABOUT *US* NEVER COUNT ON other...EXCEPT AS SLAVE... MANIK...JULY...2010... - Original Message - From: "Simon Biggs" To: "NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity" Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch] It's nice to know you have a means for quantifying the value of both your education and art. The government should offer you a job as they have been trying to measure these things for years. Best Simon Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk si...@littlepig.org.uk Skype: simonbiggsuk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ Research Professor edinburgh college of art http://www.eca.ac.uk/ Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice http://www.elmcip.net/ Centre for Film, Performance and Media Arts http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departments/film-performance-media-arts > From: James Morris > Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 09:43:19 +0100 > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch] > > On 28 July 2010 09:36, James Morris wrote: >> On 27 July 2010 13:50, Andreas Jacobs wrote: >>> James, >>> >>> It is non-visual art, so we can easily close our eyes for it. >>> >>> When we do not see or touch it, it ceased to exist in a material world >>> >>> The remnants are immaterial socially constructed imagination exercises >>> for and by 'Liebhaber', German language for amateurs. >>> >>> Not intending to be insulting, but I do think James made a point with >>> his, maybe exaggarated, remarks. >>> >>> Me personally, like more anti-social art forms but that is because of >>> my particular societal conditions >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Andreas Maria Jacobs >>> >> >> >> yes i'm an amateur, a dilettante with a desultory practice, a dreamer. >> >> there's no way in hell i'll ever seriously contemplate make a living >> from being an artist unless enough money to do so is handed to me on a >> plate. >> >> at this moment in time, i only want a job (which i have on a temporary >> contract (away from the clutches of the agency)). ideally it would be >> a job with less hours and pays better, but 8 hrs a day 5 days a week >> for almost £200 take-home (per week) is better than nothing. >> >> i find tree-climbing workshops insulting. >> > > The only thing art has ever done for me, is given me a £12000 student > debt, a mechanism for making stuff out of my bitterness. > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number SC009201 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour __ NOD32 4979 (20100328) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch]
Nice. I think it also has to be animated in deference to the gif, that most persuasive of image formats. C -Original Message- From: netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org [mailto:netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org] On Behalf Of James Morris Sent: 28 July 2010 12:07 PM To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch] Something like this is it? http://smiley.vox.com/library/post/how-do-you-say-emotional-idiot-in-binary. html On 28 July 2010 11:27, Corrado Morgana wrote: > Can we have it in hexadecimal, binary is so passé, or even perl? > > > > C > > > > -Original Message- > From: netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org > [mailto:netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org] On Behalf Of Ruth Catlow > Sent: 28 July 2010 11:21 AM > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch] > > > > I think my version is more apt > the grinning multiply-chinned bourgeois > : )) > > -Original Message- > From: Rob Myers > Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch] > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:27:02 +0100 > > > > On 07/28/2010 10:11 AM, Ruth Catlow wrote: > >> proposal for an appropriate visualisation technique for charting the > >> value of digital art > >> > >> : > >> : )) > >> : > >> : > >> : ))) > > > > Ooh that's like one of MANIK's paintings. > > > > But for digital art shurely it should be: > > > > :) :) :) :) :) :) :) > > :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) > > :) :) :) :) > > :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) > > :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) > > > > - Rob. > > ___ > > NetBehaviour mailing list > > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3032 - Release Date: 07/27/10 > 19:34:00 > > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3032 - Release Date: 07/27/10 19:34:00 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch]
Something like this is it? http://smiley.vox.com/library/post/how-do-you-say-emotional-idiot-in-binary.html On 28 July 2010 11:27, Corrado Morgana wrote: > Can we have it in hexadecimal, binary is so passé, or even perl? > > > > C > > > > -Original Message- > From: netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org > [mailto:netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org] On Behalf Of Ruth Catlow > Sent: 28 July 2010 11:21 AM > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch] > > > > I think my version is more apt > the grinning multiply-chinned bourgeois > : )) > > -Original Message- > From: Rob Myers > Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch] > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:27:02 +0100 > > > > On 07/28/2010 10:11 AM, Ruth Catlow wrote: > >> proposal for an appropriate visualisation technique for charting the > >> value of digital art > >> > >> : > >> : )) > >> : > >> : > >> : ))) > > > > Ooh that's like one of MANIK's paintings. > > > > But for digital art shurely it should be: > > > > :) :) :) :) :) :) :) > > :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) > > :) :) :) :) > > :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) > > :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) > > > > - Rob. > > ___ > > NetBehaviour mailing list > > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3032 - Release Date: 07/27/10 > 19:34:00 > > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch]
Can we have it in hexadecimal, binary is so passé, or even perl? C -Original Message- From: netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org [mailto:netbehaviour-boun...@netbehaviour.org] On Behalf Of Ruth Catlow Sent: 28 July 2010 11:21 AM To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch] I think my version is more apt the grinning multiply-chinned bourgeois : )) -Original Message- From: Rob Myers mailto:rob%20myers%20%3c...@robmyers.org%3e> > Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity mailto:NetBehaviour%20for%20networked%20distributed%20creativity%20%3cnetbe havi...@netbehaviour.org%3e> > To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch] Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:27:02 +0100 On 07/28/2010 10:11 AM, Ruth Catlow wrote: > proposal for an appropriate visualisation technique for charting the > value of digital art > > : > : )) > : > : > : ))) Ooh that's like one of MANIK's paintings. But for digital art shurely it should be: :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3032 - Release Date: 07/27/10 19:34:00 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch]
I think my version is more apt the grinning multiply-chinned bourgeois : )) -Original Message- From: Rob Myers Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch] Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:27:02 +0100 On 07/28/2010 10:11 AM, Ruth Catlow wrote: > proposal for an appropriate visualisation technique for charting the > value of digital art > > : > : )) > : > : > : ))) Ooh that's like one of MANIK's paintings. But for digital art shurely it should be: :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch]
That we all have to volunteer to be involved with society ..!! M. On 28 Jul 2010, at 10:11, Simon Biggs wrote: > What aren't you telling us ;) > > http://www.jamesmorrismp.com/ > > Best > > Simon > > > Simon Biggs > s.bi...@eca.ac.uk si...@littlepig.org.uk > Skype: simonbiggsuk > http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ > > Research Professor edinburgh college of art > http://www.eca.ac.uk/ > Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments > http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ > Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice > http://www.elmcip.net/ > Centre for Film, Performance and Media Arts > http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departments/film-performance-media-arts > > >> From: James Morris >> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >> >> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:03:34 +0100 >> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >> >> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch] >> >> i rather think it will be a voluntary position. >> >> >> On 28 July 2010 09:48, Simon Biggs wrote: >>> It's nice to know you have a means for quantifying the value of both your >>> education and art. The government should offer you a job as they have been >>> trying to measure these things for years. >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Simon >>> >>> >>> Simon Biggs >>> s.bi...@eca.ac.uk si...@littlepig.org.uk >>> Skype: simonbiggsuk >>> http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ >>> >>> Research Professor edinburgh college of art >>> http://www.eca.ac.uk/ >>> Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments >>> http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ >>> Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice >>> http://www.elmcip.net/ >>> Centre for Film, Performance and Media Arts >>> http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departments/film-performance-media-arts >>> >>> >>>> From: James Morris >>>> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >>>> >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 09:43:19 +0100 >>>> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch] >>>> >>>> On 28 July 2010 09:36, James Morris wrote: >>>>> On 27 July 2010 13:50, Andreas Jacobs wrote: >>>>>> James, >>>>>> >>>>>> It is non-visual art, so we can easily close our eyes for it. >>>>>> >>>>>> When we do not see or touch it, it ceased to exist in a material world >>>>>> >>>>>> The remnants are immaterial socially constructed imagination exercises >>>>>> for and by 'Liebhaber', German language for amateurs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not intending to be insulting, but I do think James made a point with >>>>>> his, maybe exaggarated, remarks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Me personally, like more anti-social art forms but that is because of >>>>>> my particular societal conditions >>>>>> >>>>>> Best >>>>>> >>>>>> Andreas Maria Jacobs >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> yes i'm an amateur, a dilettante with a desultory practice, a dreamer. >>>>> >>>>> there's no way in hell i'll ever seriously contemplate make a living >>>>> from being an artist unless enough money to do so is handed to me on a >>>>> plate. >>>>> >>>>> at this moment in time, i only want a job (which i have on a temporary >>>>> contract (away from the clutches of the agency)). ideally it would be >>>>> a job with less hours and pays better, but 8 hrs a day 5 days a week >>>>> for almost £200 take-home (per week) is better than nothing. >>>>> >>>>> i find tree-climbing workshops insulting. >>>>> >>>> >>>> The only thing art has ever done for me, is given me a £12000 student >>>> debt, a mechanism for making stuff out of my bitterness. >>>> ___ >>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> >>> >>> >>> Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number >>> SC009201 >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> >> ___ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number > SC009201 > > > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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On 28 July 2010 10:11, Simon Biggs wrote: > What aren't you telling us ;) > > http://www.jamesmorrismp.com/ Any SEO artists out there? > > Best > > Simon > > > Simon Biggs > s.bi...@eca.ac.uk si...@littlepig.org.uk > Skype: simonbiggsuk > http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ > > Research Professor edinburgh college of art > http://www.eca.ac.uk/ > Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments > http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ > Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice > http://www.elmcip.net/ > Centre for Film, Performance and Media Arts > http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departments/film-performance-media-arts > > >> From: James Morris >> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >> >> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:03:34 +0100 >> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >> >> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch] >> >> i rather think it will be a voluntary position. >> >> >> On 28 July 2010 09:48, Simon Biggs wrote: >>> It's nice to know you have a means for quantifying the value of both your >>> education and art. The government should offer you a job as they have been >>> trying to measure these things for years. >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Simon >>> >>> >>> Simon Biggs >>> s.bi...@eca.ac.uk si...@littlepig.org.uk >>> Skype: simonbiggsuk >>> http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ >>> >>> Research Professor edinburgh college of art >>> http://www.eca.ac.uk/ >>> Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments >>> http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ >>> Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice >>> http://www.elmcip.net/ >>> Centre for Film, Performance and Media Arts >>> http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departments/film-performance-media-arts >>> >>> >>>> From: James Morris >>>> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >>>> >>>> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 09:43:19 +0100 >>>> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch] >>>> >>>> On 28 July 2010 09:36, James Morris wrote: >>>>> On 27 July 2010 13:50, Andreas Jacobs wrote: >>>>>> James, >>>>>> >>>>>> It is non-visual art, so we can easily close our eyes for it. >>>>>> >>>>>> When we do not see or touch it, it ceased to exist in a material world >>>>>> >>>>>> The remnants are immaterial socially constructed imagination exercises >>>>>> for and by 'Liebhaber', German language for amateurs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Not intending to be insulting, but I do think James made a point with >>>>>> his, maybe exaggarated, remarks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Me personally, like more anti-social art forms but that is because of >>>>>> my particular societal conditions >>>>>> >>>>>> Best >>>>>> >>>>>> Andreas Maria Jacobs >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> yes i'm an amateur, a dilettante with a desultory practice, a dreamer. >>>>> >>>>> there's no way in hell i'll ever seriously contemplate make a living >>>>> from being an artist unless enough money to do so is handed to me on a >>>>> plate. >>>>> >>>>> at this moment in time, i only want a job (which i have on a temporary >>>>> contract (away from the clutches of the agency)). ideally it would be >>>>> a job with less hours and pays better, but 8 hrs a day 5 days a week >>>>> for almost £200 take-home (per week) is better than nothing. >>>>> >>>>> i find tree-climbing workshops insulting. >>>>> >>>> >>>> The only thing art has ever done for me, is given me a £12000 student >>>> debt, a mechanism for making stuff out of my bitterness. >>>> ___ >>>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>>> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >>>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> >>> >>> >>> Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number >>> SC009201 >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >>> >> ___ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number > SC009201 > > > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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On 07/28/2010 10:11 AM, Ruth Catlow wrote: > proposal for an appropriate visualisation technique for charting the > value of digital art > > : > : )) > : > : > : ))) Ooh that's like one of MANIK's paintings. But for digital art shurely it should be: :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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What aren't you telling us ;) http://www.jamesmorrismp.com/ Best Simon Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk si...@littlepig.org.uk Skype: simonbiggsuk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ Research Professor edinburgh college of art http://www.eca.ac.uk/ Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice http://www.elmcip.net/ Centre for Film, Performance and Media Arts http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departments/film-performance-media-arts > From: James Morris > Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:03:34 +0100 > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch] > > i rather think it will be a voluntary position. > > > On 28 July 2010 09:48, Simon Biggs wrote: >> It's nice to know you have a means for quantifying the value of both your >> education and art. The government should offer you a job as they have been >> trying to measure these things for years. >> >> Best >> >> Simon >> >> >> Simon Biggs >> s.bi...@eca.ac.uk si...@littlepig.org.uk >> Skype: simonbiggsuk >> http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ >> >> Research Professor edinburgh college of art >> http://www.eca.ac.uk/ >> Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments >> http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ >> Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice >> http://www.elmcip.net/ >> Centre for Film, Performance and Media Arts >> http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departments/film-performance-media-arts >> >> >>> From: James Morris >>> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >>> >>> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 09:43:19 +0100 >>> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >>> >>> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch] >>> >>> On 28 July 2010 09:36, James Morris wrote: >>>> On 27 July 2010 13:50, Andreas Jacobs wrote: >>>>> James, >>>>> >>>>> It is non-visual art, so we can easily close our eyes for it. >>>>> >>>>> When we do not see or touch it, it ceased to exist in a material world >>>>> >>>>> The remnants are immaterial socially constructed imagination exercises >>>>> for and by 'Liebhaber', German language for amateurs. >>>>> >>>>> Not intending to be insulting, but I do think James made a point with >>>>> his, maybe exaggarated, remarks. >>>>> >>>>> Me personally, like more anti-social art forms but that is because of >>>>> my particular societal conditions >>>>> >>>>> Best >>>>> >>>>> Andreas Maria Jacobs >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> yes i'm an amateur, a dilettante with a desultory practice, a dreamer. >>>> >>>> there's no way in hell i'll ever seriously contemplate make a living >>>> from being an artist unless enough money to do so is handed to me on a >>>> plate. >>>> >>>> at this moment in time, i only want a job (which i have on a temporary >>>> contract (away from the clutches of the agency)). ideally it would be >>>> a job with less hours and pays better, but 8 hrs a day 5 days a week >>>> for almost £200 take-home (per week) is better than nothing. >>>> >>>> i find tree-climbing workshops insulting. >>>> >>> >>> The only thing art has ever done for me, is given me a £12000 student >>> debt, a mechanism for making stuff out of my bitterness. >>> ___ >>> NetBehaviour mailing list >>> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >>> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> >> >> >> Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number >> SC009201 >> >> >> ___ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour >> > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number SC009201 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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proposal for an appropriate visualisation technique for charting the value of digital art : : )) : : : ))) -Original Message- From: Simon Biggs Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch] Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 09:48:46 +0100 It's nice to know you have a means for quantifying the value of both your education and art. The government should offer you a job as they have been trying to measure these things for years. Best Simon Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk si...@littlepig.org.uk Skype: simonbiggsuk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ Research Professor edinburgh college of art http://www.eca.ac.uk/ Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice http://www.elmcip.net/ Centre for Film, Performance and Media Arts http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departments/film-performance-media-arts > From: James Morris > Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 09:43:19 +0100 > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch] > > On 28 July 2010 09:36, James Morris wrote: >> On 27 July 2010 13:50, Andreas Jacobs wrote: >>> James, >>> >>> It is non-visual art, so we can easily close our eyes for it. >>> >>> When we do not see or touch it, it ceased to exist in a material world >>> >>> The remnants are immaterial socially constructed imagination exercises >>> for and by 'Liebhaber', German language for amateurs. >>> >>> Not intending to be insulting, but I do think James made a point with >>> his, maybe exaggarated, remarks. >>> >>> Me personally, like more anti-social art forms but that is because of >>> my particular societal conditions >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Andreas Maria Jacobs >>> >> >> >> yes i'm an amateur, a dilettante with a desultory practice, a dreamer. >> >> there's no way in hell i'll ever seriously contemplate make a living >> from being an artist unless enough money to do so is handed to me on a >> plate. >> >> at this moment in time, i only want a job (which i have on a temporary >> contract (away from the clutches of the agency)). ideally it would be >> a job with less hours and pays better, but 8 hrs a day 5 days a week >> for almost £200 take-home (per week) is better than nothing. >> >> i find tree-climbing workshops insulting. >> > > The only thing art has ever done for me, is given me a £12000 student > debt, a mechanism for making stuff out of my bitterness. > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number SC009201 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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On 07/28/2010 10:03 AM, James Morris wrote: > i rather think it will be a voluntary position. Not as a consultant. You have to pay to get the best people, after all. That's how the market works. - Rob. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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i rather think it will be a voluntary position. On 28 July 2010 09:48, Simon Biggs wrote: > It's nice to know you have a means for quantifying the value of both your > education and art. The government should offer you a job as they have been > trying to measure these things for years. > > Best > > Simon > > > Simon Biggs > s.bi...@eca.ac.uk si...@littlepig.org.uk > Skype: simonbiggsuk > http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ > > Research Professor edinburgh college of art > http://www.eca.ac.uk/ > Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments > http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ > Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice > http://www.elmcip.net/ > Centre for Film, Performance and Media Arts > http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departments/film-performance-media-arts > > >> From: James Morris >> Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >> >> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 09:43:19 +0100 >> To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity >> >> Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch] >> >> On 28 July 2010 09:36, James Morris wrote: >>> On 27 July 2010 13:50, Andreas Jacobs wrote: >>>> James, >>>> >>>> It is non-visual art, so we can easily close our eyes for it. >>>> >>>> When we do not see or touch it, it ceased to exist in a material world >>>> >>>> The remnants are immaterial socially constructed imagination exercises >>>> for and by 'Liebhaber', German language for amateurs. >>>> >>>> Not intending to be insulting, but I do think James made a point with >>>> his, maybe exaggarated, remarks. >>>> >>>> Me personally, like more anti-social art forms but that is because of >>>> my particular societal conditions >>>> >>>> Best >>>> >>>> Andreas Maria Jacobs >>>> >>> >>> >>> yes i'm an amateur, a dilettante with a desultory practice, a dreamer. >>> >>> there's no way in hell i'll ever seriously contemplate make a living >>> from being an artist unless enough money to do so is handed to me on a >>> plate. >>> >>> at this moment in time, i only want a job (which i have on a temporary >>> contract (away from the clutches of the agency)). ideally it would be >>> a job with less hours and pays better, but 8 hrs a day 5 days a week >>> for almost £200 take-home (per week) is better than nothing. >>> >>> i find tree-climbing workshops insulting. >>> >> >> The only thing art has ever done for me, is given me a £12000 student >> debt, a mechanism for making stuff out of my bitterness. >> ___ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > > > > Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number > SC009201 > > > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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It's nice to know you have a means for quantifying the value of both your education and art. The government should offer you a job as they have been trying to measure these things for years. Best Simon Simon Biggs s.bi...@eca.ac.uk si...@littlepig.org.uk Skype: simonbiggsuk http://www.littlepig.org.uk/ Research Professor edinburgh college of art http://www.eca.ac.uk/ Creative Interdisciplinary Research into CoLlaborative Environments http://www.eca.ac.uk/circle/ Electronic Literature as a Model of Creativity and Innovation in Practice http://www.elmcip.net/ Centre for Film, Performance and Media Arts http://www.ed.ac.uk/schools-departments/film-performance-media-arts > From: James Morris > Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 09:43:19 +0100 > To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity > > Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch] > > On 28 July 2010 09:36, James Morris wrote: >> On 27 July 2010 13:50, Andreas Jacobs wrote: >>> James, >>> >>> It is non-visual art, so we can easily close our eyes for it. >>> >>> When we do not see or touch it, it ceased to exist in a material world >>> >>> The remnants are immaterial socially constructed imagination exercises >>> for and by 'Liebhaber', German language for amateurs. >>> >>> Not intending to be insulting, but I do think James made a point with >>> his, maybe exaggarated, remarks. >>> >>> Me personally, like more anti-social art forms but that is because of >>> my particular societal conditions >>> >>> Best >>> >>> Andreas Maria Jacobs >>> >> >> >> yes i'm an amateur, a dilettante with a desultory practice, a dreamer. >> >> there's no way in hell i'll ever seriously contemplate make a living >> from being an artist unless enough money to do so is handed to me on a >> plate. >> >> at this moment in time, i only want a job (which i have on a temporary >> contract (away from the clutches of the agency)). ideally it would be >> a job with less hours and pays better, but 8 hrs a day 5 days a week >> for almost £200 take-home (per week) is better than nothing. >> >> i find tree-climbing workshops insulting. >> > > The only thing art has ever done for me, is given me a £12000 student > debt, a mechanism for making stuff out of my bitterness. > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour Edinburgh College of Art (eca) is a charity registered in Scotland, number SC009201 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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On 28 July 2010 09:36, James Morris wrote: > On 27 July 2010 13:50, Andreas Jacobs wrote: >> James, >> >> It is non-visual art, so we can easily close our eyes for it. >> >> When we do not see or touch it, it ceased to exist in a material world >> >> The remnants are immaterial socially constructed imagination exercises >> for and by 'Liebhaber', German language for amateurs. >> >> Not intending to be insulting, but I do think James made a point with >> his, maybe exaggarated, remarks. >> >> Me personally, like more anti-social art forms but that is because of >> my particular societal conditions >> >> Best >> >> Andreas Maria Jacobs >> > > > yes i'm an amateur, a dilettante with a desultory practice, a dreamer. > > there's no way in hell i'll ever seriously contemplate make a living > from being an artist unless enough money to do so is handed to me on a > plate. > > at this moment in time, i only want a job (which i have on a temporary > contract (away from the clutches of the agency)). ideally it would be > a job with less hours and pays better, but 8 hrs a day 5 days a week > for almost £200 take-home (per week) is better than nothing. > > i find tree-climbing workshops insulting. > The only thing art has ever done for me, is given me a £12000 student debt, a mechanism for making stuff out of my bitterness. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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On 27 July 2010 13:50, Andreas Jacobs wrote: > James, > > It is non-visual art, so we can easily close our eyes for it. > > When we do not see or touch it, it ceased to exist in a material world > > The remnants are immaterial socially constructed imagination exercises > for and by 'Liebhaber', German language for amateurs. > > Not intending to be insulting, but I do think James made a point with > his, maybe exaggarated, remarks. > > Me personally, like more anti-social art forms but that is because of > my particular societal conditions > > Best > > Andreas Maria Jacobs > yes i'm an amateur, a dilettante with a desultory practice, a dreamer. there's no way in hell i'll ever seriously contemplate make a living from being an artist unless enough money to do so is handed to me on a plate. at this moment in time, i only want a job (which i have on a temporary contract (away from the clutches of the agency)). ideally it would be a job with less hours and pays better, but 8 hrs a day 5 days a week for almost £200 take-home (per week) is better than nothing. i find tree-climbing workshops insulting. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Ein Installateur (Handwerker besucht eine Galerie. Er schaut sich die Bilder an und spricht mit dem Künstler. Also Sie sind der Künstler? Antwort: Ja. Und können Sie von Ihrer Kunst leben? Antwort: Nein. Also sind Sie ein Hobbykünstler. Sorry for that, chief Wolfgang If you want I will translate it in english/french/katalan - Original Message - From: "Andreas Jacobs" To: "NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity" Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] [Fwd: bblackboxx.ch] > Well, if you insist, so be it. > > Nevertheless in some cultural circles 'Liebhaber' is/was used as a > synonym for 'Amateur' from French language i.e . Amant: someone who > loves someone or something. > > And I intented to use it with that particular meaning in mind, maybe > you took the word too literal. > > And I definitively did not meant lay, else I would have used that. > > Sorry if I made me misunderstood > > > > Andreas Jacobs > > e: aj...@xs4all.nl > m: 31 6 16 732 018 > > w: http://www.nictoglobe.com > w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl > > On 27 Jul 2010, at 19:18, "Wolfgang" wrote: > >> Andreas Maria Jacobs >> >> Liebhaber means lover >> amateur means Hobby or dilettant => Laie >> >> sorry for that chief >> >> Wolfgang >> >> ___ >> NetBehaviour mailing list >> NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org >> http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Well, if you insist, so be it. Nevertheless in some cultural circles 'Liebhaber' is/was used as a synonym for 'Amateur' from French language i.e . Amant: someone who loves someone or something. And I intented to use it with that particular meaning in mind, maybe you took the word too literal. And I definitively did not meant lay, else I would have used that. Sorry if I made me misunderstood Andreas Jacobs e: aj...@xs4all.nl m: 31 6 16 732 018 w: http://www.nictoglobe.com w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl On 27 Jul 2010, at 19:18, "Wolfgang" wrote: > Andreas Maria Jacobs > > Liebhaber means lover > amateur means Hobby or dilettant => Laie > > sorry for that chief > > Wolfgang > > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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Andreas Maria Jacobs Liebhaber means lover amateur means Hobby or dilettant => Laie sorry for that chief Wolfgang ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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James, It is non-visual art, so we can easily close our eyes for it. When we do not see or touch it, it ceased to exist in a material world The remnants are immaterial socially constructed imagination exercises for and by 'Liebhaber', German language for amateurs. Not intending to be insulting, but I do think James made a point with his, maybe exaggarated, remarks. Me personally, like more anti-social art forms but that is because of my particular societal conditions Best Andreas Maria Jacobs e: aj...@xs4all.nl m: 31 6 16 732 018 w: http://www.nictoglobe.com w: http://burgerwaanzin.nl On 27 Jul 2010, at 13:10, James Morris wrote: > On 27 July 2010 12:00, James Morris wrote: >> 2010/7/27 info : >>> dears >>> >>> james and i are will be artists in residence for >>> the woodland on the border between switzerland and germany in basel >>> hosted by bblackboxx from 5-14 august 2010 >>> >>> landscape includes trees, rivers, refugee detention centre, >>> industrial >>> wasteland, sex workers and dog walkers >>> >>> our main focus will be extreme sports training for mobile phones >>> and their owners >>> >>> for example, there will be workshops for tree climbing, flight and >>> sub >>> aqua exploration >>> >>> hope to see you and your phone there >>> >>> heath >> >> >> sorry dear, can't make it. too busy fucking packing plastic punnets. >> > > Sorry. It makes me angry. If this is art, art is shit. I mean, sure, > it sounds great fun, but it to call it art is a stretch. And you are > calling it art, otherwise why the need for artists in residence. Why > can't artists specialize in art instead of spreading like some > pestilent virus into every desperate little niche they can sink they > grimy little claws into. Bastards. Break a leg. > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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better go for a walk James, because you are insulting and I hope you regret that On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 1:10 PM, James Morris wrote: > On 27 July 2010 12:00, James Morris wrote: > > 2010/7/27 info : > >> dears > >> > >> james and i are will be artists in residence for > >> the woodland on the border between switzerland and germany in basel > >> hosted by bblackboxx from 5-14 august 2010 > >> > >> landscape includes trees, rivers, refugee detention centre, industrial > >> wasteland, sex workers and dog walkers > >> > >> our main focus will be extreme sports training for mobile phones > >> and their owners > >> > >> for example, there will be workshops for tree climbing, flight and sub > >> aqua exploration > >> > >> hope to see you and your phone there > >> > >> heath > > > > > > sorry dear, can't make it. too busy fucking packing plastic punnets. > > > > Sorry. It makes me angry. If this is art, art is shit. I mean, sure, > it sounds great fun, but it to call it art is a stretch. And you are > calling it art, otherwise why the need for artists in residence. Why > can't artists specialize in art instead of spreading like some > pestilent virus into every desperate little niche they can sink they > grimy little claws into. Bastards. Break a leg. > ___ > NetBehaviour mailing list > NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org > http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour > -- Documentation of Huis Clos / No Exit - On Translation Video, reactions of the performers and the public, photos and the performance protocol http://bram.org/huisclos/ontranslation/indexfr.html Article IF NOT YOU NOT ME, ANNIE ABRAHAMS AND LIFE IN NETWORKS, Maria Chatzichristodoulou in Digimag 54 May 2010 http://www.digicult.it/digimag/article.asp?id=1793 ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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On 27 July 2010 12:00, James Morris wrote: > 2010/7/27 info : >> dears >> >> james and i are will be artists in residence for >> the woodland on the border between switzerland and germany in basel >> hosted by bblackboxx from 5-14 august 2010 >> >> landscape includes trees, rivers, refugee detention centre, industrial >> wasteland, sex workers and dog walkers >> >> our main focus will be extreme sports training for mobile phones >> and their owners >> >> for example, there will be workshops for tree climbing, flight and sub >> aqua exploration >> >> hope to see you and your phone there >> >> heath > > > sorry dear, can't make it. too busy fucking packing plastic punnets. > Sorry. It makes me angry. If this is art, art is shit. I mean, sure, it sounds great fun, but it to call it art is a stretch. And you are calling it art, otherwise why the need for artists in residence. Why can't artists specialize in art instead of spreading like some pestilent virus into every desperate little niche they can sink they grimy little claws into. Bastards. Break a leg. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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2010/7/27 info : > dears > > james and i are will be artists in residence for > the woodland on the border between switzerland and germany in basel > hosted by bblackboxx from 5-14 august 2010 > > landscape includes trees, rivers, refugee detention centre, industrial > wasteland, sex workers and dog walkers > > our main focus will be extreme sports training for mobile phones > and their owners > > for example, there will be workshops for tree climbing, flight and sub > aqua exploration > > hope to see you and your phone there > > heath sorry dear, can't make it. too busy fucking packing plastic punnets. ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
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dears james and i are will be artists in residence for the woodland on the border between switzerland and germany in basel hosted by bblackboxx from 5-14 august 2010 landscape includes trees, rivers, refugee detention centre, industrial wasteland, sex workers and dog walkers our main focus will be extreme sports training for mobile phones and their owners for example, there will be workshops for tree climbing, flight and sub aqua exploration hope to see you and your phone there heath http://www.bblackboxx.ch/ http://irational.org/heath/ http://sparror.cubecinema.com/james-kennard/ http://status.irational.org/visualisation/maps/A1014_a_mobile_telephone_customer.pdf.html -- PHONE HOME HARAGA: Heath Bunting, James Kennard (Bristol) Abenteuer-Trainings-Camp für Mobiltelefone und ihre menschlichen Begleiter Heath Bunting und James Kennard aus Bristol sind eigentlich das, was man in Nordafrika als â??Haragasâ?* bezeichnet, denn sie sind meisterhafte Grenzübertreter. Seit vielen Jahren erproben sie urbane Ã?berlebensmethoden, die sie als künstlerische Aktivisten in partizipativen Aktionen und Workshops demonstrieren. Ihr widerständisches Engagement gegen die Gefährdung der Privatsphäre und der individuellen Freiheit durch gesellschaftliche Kontrollsysteme, praktizieren sie in unterschiedlichsten Medien: Bunting ist sowohl Begründer der Sport-Art Bewegung als auch des seit 1996 bestehenden Internetnetzwerks â??irational.orgâ??, ein internationales System für die Verbreitung â??irationalerâ? Informationen, Services und Produkte für Herumziehende und Heimatlose. Kennard bezeichnet sich selbst als â??force of natureâ? und entwickelt meist kämpferische Szenarien und Wettbewerbe, in denen elementaren Jagd- und Kampfwerkzeugen (Steine, Stöcke und Seile) sich in Gebrauchsskulpturen für den Libertin verwandeln. In der bblackboxx widmen sich die Künstler der Rolle von Mobiltelefonen und Möglichkeiten der Mobilität in den prekären Lebensumständen des Fluchtkontexts. Täglich ist der Ort Schauplatz eines Abenteuer-Training-Camps, in dem mit dem Handlungsspielraum von Mobiltelefonen experimentiert wird und die Gerätenutzung den persönlichen Bedürfnissen der TeilnehmerInnen angepasst werden soll. Der Luftraum wird dabei nicht ausgeschlossen. Ausserdem erlernen die teilnehmenden Mobiltelefone und ihre menschlichen BegleiterInnen alternative Fortbewegungsmethoden im Grenzgebiet, wie Baumklettern, Seilschwingen oder Flussüberquerungen, sowie spezielle Steinwurftechniken. Schliesslich werden Touristen gesucht, die sich in nächster Zeit in die Heimatländer von Asylsuchenden begeben (Nordafrika, Balkan, Sri Lanka etc.) und bereit wären, mit ihren Mobiltelefonen Bildmaterial aus der Heimat mitzubringen, das sie an die hiesigen Flüchtlinge weiter geben. Bitte melden ! Zusammen mit dem bblackboxx Team der Woche gibt es zusätzliche Aktionen und Lesungen, siehe Programm. *HARAGA (Arabisch) = Grenzübertreter; Schwarzfahrer; â??illegalerâ? Migrant; der, der das Stopschild verheitzt (Im Sinne von nicht beachten). ABENTEUERTRAINING Anmeldung und Info über HOTLINE: ++41 (0) 79 79 100 43 DO 5. August, 14 Uhr: Abenteuertraining Level 1> Baumklettern, Seilschwingtechnicken, Kunst des Steinewerfens. FR 6. August, 14 Uhr: Abenteuertraining Level 2> Baumklettern, Seilschwingtechnicken, Kunst des Steinewerfens. FR 6. August, 18 Uhr: AuQuarellclub sans frontières â?? SPECIAL mit Heath Bunting und James Kennard (siehe facebook: AuQuarellclub-sans-frontières) SA 7. August, 14 Uhr: Bekleidung & Heime für Mobiltelefone â?? Workshop zur Verbesserung der Lebensqualität von Mobiltelefonen. Anschliessend Fashion Show für Mobiltelefone (genaue Uhrzeit nach Ansage per Newsletter) SO 8. August, 14 Uhr: Stock & Stein Masterclass. Anschliessend Selbstverteidigungskurs gegen Diebstahl für Mobiltelefone (genaue Uhrzeit nach Ansage per Newsletter) MO 9. August, 14 Uhr: Abenteuertraining für Mobiltelefone und ihre menschlichen Begleiter. DI 10. August, 14 Uhr: Pilotentraining für Mobiltelefone und ihre menschlichen Begleiter. MI 11. August, 14 Uhr: Segelschule für Mobiltelefone und ihre menschlichen Begleiter. DO 12. August, 14 Uhr: Unterwassertraining für Mobiltelefone und ihre menschlichen Begleiter. THEORIEFREITAG, 13. August 14 Uhr: Abenteuertraining für Mobiltelefone und ihre menschlichen Begleiter 17 Uhr: Ortsspezifischer Vortrag der Medienwissenschaftlerin Ute Holl (Universität Basel) über mobile Medien und Migration. SPECIALS FR 6. August, 18 Uhr: AuQuarellclub sans frontières â?? SPECIAL mit Heath Bunting und James Kennard Info: Facebook â??AuQuarellclub-sans-frontieresâ? SA, 7. August, 19 Uhr: HARAGA! Youtube-Lesung Die Hausreporterin Suzanne Zahnd liest adaptierte arabische Kommentare zu den Youtube Handyfilmen, die auf den Ã?berfahrten von Nordafrika gedreht wurden. Ã?bersetzung: Naim Dhraif (Haraga, Tunesien). DO 12. Au
