Re: [NetBehaviour] Networked Video Performance
well there has been networked video performance since at least the mid-90s on the internet (e.g. parkbench) using satellite in the 1970s (rabinowitz galloway); also there was quite a lot around the end of the 90s/early 2000s e.g. steve dixon's chameleons, igor stromajer, groups like corpus informaticus, DOGONEfff, etc. since 2007 there is aether9, since 2008 minipimer.tv - many others that are experimenting in networked video ... h : ) On 14/03/12 12:25 AM, Antonio Roberts wrote: what you have described is true of networked performance in general, not just networked video performance (except perhaps the last point - do you mean that the output also includes input from audience? which is the case in some but not all networked performance). are you only concerned with video? With this I mean each player in the performance. So, if the composer of the piece has decided that they want the audience to be involved then they will have a say in the final output. I'm primarily concern with video as I feel not much research has gone into this area. I don't know everything, but so so my experience has showed me that most networked performance revolves around audio, not video. Antonio -- helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst he...@creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.make-shift.net http://www.upstage.org.nz ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Networked Video Performance
what you have described is true of networked performance in general, not just networked video performance (except perhaps the last point - do you mean that the output also includes input from audience? which is the case in some but not all networked performance). are you only concerned with video? With this I mean each player in the performance. So, if the composer of the piece has decided that they want the audience to be involved then they will have a say in the final output. I'm primarily concern with video as I feel not much research has gone into this area. I don't know everything, but so so my experience has showed me that most networked performance revolves around audio, not video. Antonio On 12 March 2012 10:00, helen varley jamieson he...@creative-catalyst.com wrote: what you have described is true of networked performance in general, not just networked video performance (except perhaps the last point - do you mean that the output also includes input from audience? which is the case in some but not all networked performance). are you only concerned with video? i don't know much about wj-s, i think you need the software on your computer so maybe there is something to downlaod, but i could be wrong about this, you should email ann roguiny. greetings from pondicherry, h : ) On 8/03/12 4:41 AM, Antonio Roberts wrote: Thanks everyone for your responses and sorry for taking so long to reply. Although I'm still trying to discover what networked video performance is I'm thinking about it along these terms: * Live, with all participants playing/taking part in real time * Based on the interaction between each participant, not just the technology behind it * The output is the combined result of each participant Thanks also for the links regarding Pure Data (I already use it a lot). I think the specifics of the software that is used don't matter, just that they are able to interact with other software. And also the term network can be on or offline. As long as each participant is connected When I get time I will read through all of the links. Thanks again! Regarding this link http://www.wj-s.org/-news- is there actually any files to download? -- helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst he...@creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.make-shift.net http://www.upstage.org.nz ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- anto...@hellocatfood.com http://www.hellocatfood.com ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Networked Video Performance
what you have described is true of networked performance in general, not just networked video performance (except perhaps the last point - do you mean that the output also includes input from audience? which is the case in some but not all networked performance). are you only concerned with video? i don't know much about wj-s, i think you need the software on your computer so maybe there is something to downlaod, but i could be wrong about this, you should email ann roguiny. greetings from pondicherry, h : ) On 8/03/12 4:41 AM, Antonio Roberts wrote: Thanks everyone for your responses and sorry for taking so long to reply. Although I'm still trying to discover what networked video performance is I'm thinking about it along these terms: * Live, with all participants playing/taking part in real time * Based on the interaction between each participant, not just the technology behind it * The output is the combined result of each participant Thanks also for the links regarding Pure Data (I already use it a lot). I think the specifics of the software that is used don't matter, just that they are able to interact with other software. And also the term network can be on or offline. As long as each participant is connected When I get time I will read through all of the links. Thanks again! Regarding this link http://www.wj-s.org/-news- is there actually any files to download? -- helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst he...@creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.make-shift.net http://www.upstage.org.nz ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Networked Video Performance
Thanks everyone for your responses and sorry for taking so long to reply. Although I'm still trying to discover what networked video performance is I'm thinking about it along these terms: * Live, with all participants playing/taking part in real time * Based on the interaction between each participant, not just the technology behind it * The output is the combined result of each participant Thanks also for the links regarding Pure Data (I already use it a lot). I think the specifics of the software that is used don't matter, just that they are able to interact with other software. And also the term network can be on or offline. As long as each participant is connected When I get time I will read through all of the links. Thanks again! Regarding this link http://www.wj-s.org/-news- is there actually any files to download? On 2 March 2012 13:14, lucille c c.luci...@gmail.com wrote: annie abrahams is working on this tool topic since many years (last project= angry women) http://bram.org/angry/women/ suzon fuchs has one too (waterwheel) http://water-wheel.net/ 2012/3/2 helen varley jamieson he...@creative-catalyst.com i just came across this site, http://www.videopong.net - it has an online video mixing tool, but it looks like it's just for one person to use on their own ( perhaps save the mixes, i'm not sure). On 27/02/12 12:52 PM, Antonio Roberts wrote: Is there such a thing as networked video performance? If so, are there any examples or literature surrounding this topic? I provide visuals for a band (BiLE http://www.bilensemble.co.uk/). The six performers are all connected on a local network, sharing messages over osc and manipulating each others' sounds to create one bigger sound. In some pieces they each manipulate sounds from a central source, or server. Has anything like this been explored with VJing? For example, a number of VJs each manipulating one thing or working with the same content to then manipulate it and display it on screen. Or maybe something else... Another band/collective I'm in, Freecode (http://freecodecollective.tumblr.com/), has started to look at this, but so far only by sending video output from each performer to a mixer. I feel this kind of collaboration could go deeper! Any thoughts are welcome -- helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst he...@creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.make-shift.net http://www.upstage.org.nz ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- anto...@hellocatfood.com http://www.hellocatfood.com ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Networked Video Performance
i just came across this site, http://www.videopong.net - it has an online video mixing tool, but it looks like it's just for one person to use on their own ( perhaps save the mixes, i'm not sure). On 27/02/12 12:52 PM, Antonio Roberts wrote: Is there such a thing as networked video performance? If so, are there any examples or literature surrounding this topic? I provide visuals for a band (BiLE http://www.bilensemble.co.uk/). The six performers are all connected on a local network, sharing messages over osc and manipulating each others' sounds to create one bigger sound. In some pieces they each manipulate sounds from a central source, or server. Has anything like this been explored with VJing? For example, a number of VJs each manipulating one thing or working with the same content to then manipulate it and display it on screen. Or maybe something else... Another band/collective I'm in, Freecode (http://freecodecollective.tumblr.com/), has started to look at this, but so far only by sending video output from each performer to a mixer. I feel this kind of collaboration could go deeper! Any thoughts are welcome -- helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst he...@creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.make-shift.net http://www.upstage.org.nz ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Networked Video Performance
annie abrahams is working on this tool topic since many years (last project= angry women) http://bram.org/angry/women/ suzon fuchs has one too (waterwheel) http://water-wheel.net/ 2012/3/2 helen varley jamieson he...@creative-catalyst.com i just came across this site, http://www.videopong.net - it has an online video mixing tool, but it looks like it's just for one person to use on their own ( perhaps save the mixes, i'm not sure). On 27/02/12 12:52 PM, Antonio Roberts wrote: Is there such a thing as networked video performance? If so, are there any examples or literature surrounding this topic? I provide visuals for a band (BiLE http://www.bilensemble.co.uk/). The six performers are all connected on a local network, sharing messages over osc and manipulating each others' sounds to create one bigger sound. In some pieces they each manipulate sounds from a central source, or server. Has anything like this been explored with VJing? For example, a number of VJs each manipulating one thing or working with the same content to then manipulate it and display it on screen. Or maybe something else... Another band/collective I'm in, Freecode (http://freecodecollective.tumblr.com/), has started to look at this, but so far only by sending video output from each performer to a mixer. I feel this kind of collaboration could go deeper! Any thoughts are welcome -- helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst he...@creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.make-shift.net http://www.upstage.org.nz ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Networked Video Performance
Don't forget the platforms and performances co-created by panoplie and Annie Abrahams! :) On 28/02/2012 12:27, ActiveLayers wrote: there is also http://water-wheel.net , Helen, where you can use 90sec uploaded videos but also use the 6 webcams streaming with plug-in such as manycam to play any length of videos which are not especially uploaded, and other crew members can mix too, with layers possibilities, variable alpha, moving , resizing, rotating the images, etc. Cheers Suzon Message: 2 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:16:55 +0100 From: helen varley jamiesonhe...@creative-catalyst.com Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Networked Video Performance To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Message-ID:4f4b8247.7070...@creative-catalyst.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed hi antonio, it depends what you mean by networked video performance; there are many things going on in the field of networked performance lots of work that employs live video. visitors studio (http://www.visitorsstudio.org/) is one platform that enables real-time collaborative mixing of digital media including video, this can be done also to a certain extent in UpStage (http://www.upstage.org.nz) altho visitors studio offers more possibilities in terms of video mixing. in both of these platforms there are limits to the size of what can be uploaded - obviously if people are mixing watching in real-time, there will be bandwidth issues. there is also wj-s (http://www.wj-s.org/) but as far as i'm aware this is not an online platform - it uses the internet to sample media from the web, but it's all compiled/manipulated presented in a single physical location (i might be wrong on that, i've never actually managed to see a performance). vj theory (http://www.vjtheory.net/) might be of interest to you, altho i don't know how much they get into networked practices. also the live performers meeting (http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net/), which is mostly offline real-time VJ related performance, but when i was there last year there were a small number of us working online i think it's an area that people in that network are starting to move into. that's just off the top of my head - there is other stuff out there ... :) h : ) On 27/02/12 12:52 PM, Antonio Roberts wrote: Is there such a thing as networked video performance? If so, are there any examples or literature surrounding this topic? I provide visuals for a band (BiLE http://www.bilensemble.co.uk/). The six performers are all connected on a local network, sharing messages over osc and manipulating each others' sounds to create one bigger sound. In some pieces they each manipulate sounds from a central source, or server. Has anything like this been explored with VJing? For example, a number of VJs each manipulating one thing or working with the same content to then manipulate it and display it on screen. Or maybe something else... Another band/collective I'm in, Freecode (http://freecodecollective.tumblr.com/), has started to look at this, but so far only by sending video output from each performer to a mixer. I feel this kind of collaboration could go deeper! Any thoughts are welcome ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Networked Video Performance
Antonio Roberts said : Is there such a thing as networked video performance? If so, are there any examples or literature surrounding this topic? oldies but goodies (?) Very old Pd HOWTO for networked video feedback: http://web.archive.org/web/20060621214337/http://yourmachines.org/tutorials/pdvideolan.html (missing pics here: http://pzwart3.wdka.hro.nl/~amansoux/yourmachines/) Interfacing radiotopia/keyworx: in 'Connected! Live Art' p.39 The rest of the book also has networked live performance related texts. http://sherdo.wordpress.com/connected-liveart/ a. -- http://su.kuri.mu ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Networked Video Performance
i believe it's also possible to use puredata for online networked things, but i have never tried it (yet) ... h : ) On 27/02/12 11:50 PM, Husk 00 wrote: Hi Antonio and all, if you are looking for an off-line tool I sugest you to look deep into puredata-extended (puredata.info http://puredata.info) Over the years I did different vj set and live performance (net)working with other people controlling video or audio together. In puredata is really easy send message to a network using Open Sound Protocol. In the case you would manipulate same video texture from different locations you will need to look some other on-line tool flash based (like flxer.net http://flxer.net) or some new javascript toy (like https://developer.mozilla.org/media/uploads/demos/s/p/spite/dc461502a5dfbfa8585c27aa5a0a9804/html5-vjing-tool_1312317583_demo_package/index.html) if you need help to start with puredata don't hesitate to contact me cheers husk On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:16 PM, helen varley jamieson he...@creative-catalyst.com mailto:he...@creative-catalyst.com wrote: hi antonio, it depends what you mean by networked video performance; there are many things going on in the field of networked performance lots of work that employs live video. visitors studio (http://www.visitorsstudio.org/) is one platform that enables real-time collaborative mixing of digital media including video, this can be done also to a certain extent in UpStage (http://www.upstage.org.nz) altho visitors studio offers more possibilities in terms of video mixing. in both of these platforms there are limits to the size of what can be uploaded - obviously if people are mixing watching in real-time, there will be bandwidth issues. there is also wj-s (http://www.wj-s.org/) but as far as i'm aware this is not an online platform - it uses the internet to sample media from the web, but it's all compiled/manipulated presented in a single physical location (i might be wrong on that, i've never actually managed to see a performance). vj theory (http://www.vjtheory.net/) might be of interest to you, altho i don't know how much they get into networked practices. also the live performers meeting (http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net/), which is mostly offline real-time VJ related performance, but when i was there last year there were a small number of us working online i think it's an area that people in that network are starting to move into. that's just off the top of my head - there is other stuff out there ... :) h : ) On 27/02/12 12:52 PM, Antonio Roberts wrote: Is there such a thing as networked video performance? If so, are there any examples or literature surrounding this topic? I provide visuals for a band (BiLE http://www.bilensemble.co.uk/). The six performers are all connected on a local network, sharing messages over osc and manipulating each others' sounds to create one bigger sound. In some pieces they each manipulate sounds from a central source, or server. Has anything like this been explored with VJing? For example, a number of VJs each manipulating one thing or working with the same content to then manipulate it and display it on screen. Or maybe something else... Another band/collective I'm in, Freecode (http://freecodecollective.tumblr.com/), has started to look at this, but so far only by sending video output from each performer to a mixer. I feel this kind of collaboration could go deeper! Any thoughts are welcome -- helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst he...@creative-catalyst.com mailto:he...@creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.make-shift.net http://www.upstage.org.nz ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org mailto:NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- l'importante nella vita e' avere pregiudizi a priori su tutto Jean-Paul-Sartre www.estereotips.net http://www.estereotips.net -- helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst he...@creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.make-shift.net http://www.upstage.org.nz ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Networked Video Performance
there is also http://water-wheel.net , Helen, where you can use 90sec uploaded videos but also use the 6 webcams streaming with plug-in such as manycam to play any length of videos which are not especially uploaded, and other crew members can mix too, with layers possibilities, variable alpha, moving , resizing, rotating the images, etc. Cheers Suzon Message: 2 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2012 14:16:55 +0100 From: helen varley jamieson he...@creative-catalyst.com Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] Networked Video Performance To: netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Message-ID: 4f4b8247.7070...@creative-catalyst.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed hi antonio, it depends what you mean by networked video performance; there are many things going on in the field of networked performance lots of work that employs live video. visitors studio (http://www.visitorsstudio.org/) is one platform that enables real-time collaborative mixing of digital media including video, this can be done also to a certain extent in UpStage (http://www.upstage.org.nz) altho visitors studio offers more possibilities in terms of video mixing. in both of these platforms there are limits to the size of what can be uploaded - obviously if people are mixing watching in real-time, there will be bandwidth issues. there is also wj-s (http://www.wj-s.org/) but as far as i'm aware this is not an online platform - it uses the internet to sample media from the web, but it's all compiled/manipulated presented in a single physical location (i might be wrong on that, i've never actually managed to see a performance). vj theory (http://www.vjtheory.net/) might be of interest to you, altho i don't know how much they get into networked practices. also the live performers meeting (http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net/), which is mostly offline real-time VJ related performance, but when i was there last year there were a small number of us working online i think it's an area that people in that network are starting to move into. that's just off the top of my head - there is other stuff out there ... :) h : ) On 27/02/12 12:52 PM, Antonio Roberts wrote: Is there such a thing as networked video performance? If so, are there any examples or literature surrounding this topic? I provide visuals for a band (BiLE http://www.bilensemble.co.uk/). The six performers are all connected on a local network, sharing messages over osc and manipulating each others' sounds to create one bigger sound. In some pieces they each manipulate sounds from a central source, or server. Has anything like this been explored with VJing? For example, a number of VJs each manipulating one thing or working with the same content to then manipulate it and display it on screen. Or maybe something else... Another band/collective I'm in, Freecode (http://freecodecollective.tumblr.com/), has started to look at this, but so far only by sending video output from each performer to a mixer. I feel this kind of collaboration could go deeper! Any thoughts are welcome ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Networked Video Performance
2012/2/28 helen varley jamieson he...@creative-catalyst.com i believe it's also possible to use puredata for online networked things, but i have never tried it (yet) ... h : ) Yes it's possible (almost every thing is possible in puredata :) ) But in order to work with online video or streming video online and work together with other peole you need to compile a couple of externals (plugins). That's could be hard depending on your *nix knowledge. FOr example you can get mpeg or flash online video compiling gem with some no default flag. Or you can compile and use gstreamer pd porting from IOhane Zmoeling at iem. Or you can use python or lua to get internet data also. cheers On 27/02/12 11:50 PM, Husk 00 wrote: Hi Antonio and all, if you are looking for an off-line tool I sugest you to look deep into puredata-extended (puredata.info) Over the years I did different vj set and live performance (net)working with other people controlling video or audio together. In puredata is really easy send message to a network using Open Sound Protocol. In the case you would manipulate same video texture from different locations you will need to look some other on-line tool flash based (like flxer.net) or some new javascript toy (like https://developer.mozilla.org/media/uploads/demos/s/p/spite/dc461502a5dfbfa8585c27aa5a0a9804/html5-vjing-tool_1312317583_demo_package/index.html ) if you need help to start with puredata don't hesitate to contact me cheers husk On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:16 PM, helen varley jamieson he...@creative-catalyst.com wrote: hi antonio, it depends what you mean by networked video performance; there are many things going on in the field of networked performance lots of work that employs live video. visitors studio (http://www.visitorsstudio.org/) is one platform that enables real-time collaborative mixing of digital media including video, this can be done also to a certain extent in UpStage (http://www.upstage.org.nz) altho visitors studio offers more possibilities in terms of video mixing. in both of these platforms there are limits to the size of what can be uploaded - obviously if people are mixing watching in real-time, there will be bandwidth issues. there is also wj-s (http://www.wj-s.org/) but as far as i'm aware this is not an online platform - it uses the internet to sample media from the web, but it's all compiled/manipulated presented in a single physical location (i might be wrong on that, i've never actually managed to see a performance). vj theory (http://www.vjtheory.net/) might be of interest to you, altho i don't know how much they get into networked practices. also the live performers meeting (http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net/), which is mostly offline real-time VJ related performance, but when i was there last year there were a small number of us working online i think it's an area that people in that network are starting to move into. that's just off the top of my head - there is other stuff out there ... :) h : ) On 27/02/12 12:52 PM, Antonio Roberts wrote: Is there such a thing as networked video performance? If so, are there any examples or literature surrounding this topic? I provide visuals for a band (BiLE http://www.bilensemble.co.uk/). The six performers are all connected on a local network, sharing messages over osc and manipulating each others' sounds to create one bigger sound. In some pieces they each manipulate sounds from a central source, or server. Has anything like this been explored with VJing? For example, a number of VJs each manipulating one thing or working with the same content to then manipulate it and display it on screen. Or maybe something else... Another band/collective I'm in, Freecode (http://freecodecollective.tumblr.com/), has started to look at this, but so far only by sending video output from each performer to a mixer. I feel this kind of collaboration could go deeper! Any thoughts are welcome -- helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst he...@creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.make-shift.net http://www.upstage.org.nz ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- l'importante nella vita é avere pregiudizi a priori su tutto Jean-Paul-Sartre www.estereotips.net -- helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst he...@creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.comhttp://www.make-shift.nethttp://www.upstage.org.nz -- l'importante nella vita é avere pregiudizi a priori su tutto Jean-Paul-Sartre
Re: [NetBehaviour] Networked Video Performance
it seems that everything can be hard depending on your knowledge ;) so it is good that there are platforms out there, like visitors studio, UpStage, the Tap (sorry suzon for leaving this out before) where real-time streaming/video manipulation can be achieved more intuitively. however streaming still requires a streaming server which is an issue when you have limited resources. there is concurrently a similar discussion on the DownStage list that has been exploring ideas around incorporating live streaming into a cyberformance platform (DownStage is the new engine that is being built for UpStage potentially other variations of cyberformance platforms). if you're interested in this you can join the DownStage mailing list(s) here: https://trac.foobarlab.net/downstage/wiki/Mailinglists you can view the tickets relating to streaming here: https://trac.foobarlab.net/downstage/report/9 h : ) On 28/02/12 1:46 PM, Husk 00 wrote: 2012/2/28 helen varley jamieson he...@creative-catalyst.com mailto:he...@creative-catalyst.com i believe it's also possible to use puredata for online networked things, but i have never tried it (yet) ... h : ) Yes it's possible (almost every thing is possible in puredata :) ) But in order to work with online video or streming video online and work together with other peole you need to compile a couple of externals (plugins). That's could be hard depending on your *nix knowledge. FOr example you can get mpeg or flash online video compiling gem with some no default flag. Or you can compile and use gstreamer pd porting from IOhane Zmoeling at iem. Or you can use python or lua to get internet data also. cheers -- helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst he...@creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.make-shift.net http://www.upstage.org.nz ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
[NetBehaviour] Networked Video Performance
Is there such a thing as networked video performance? If so, are there any examples or literature surrounding this topic? I provide visuals for a band (BiLE http://www.bilensemble.co.uk/). The six performers are all connected on a local network, sharing messages over osc and manipulating each others' sounds to create one bigger sound. In some pieces they each manipulate sounds from a central source, or server. Has anything like this been explored with VJing? For example, a number of VJs each manipulating one thing or working with the same content to then manipulate it and display it on screen. Or maybe something else... Another band/collective I'm in, Freecode (http://freecodecollective.tumblr.com/), has started to look at this, but so far only by sending video output from each performer to a mixer. I feel this kind of collaboration could go deeper! Any thoughts are welcome -- anto...@hellocatfood.com http://www.hellocatfood.com ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Networked Video Performance
hi antonio, it depends what you mean by networked video performance; there are many things going on in the field of networked performance lots of work that employs live video. visitors studio (http://www.visitorsstudio.org/) is one platform that enables real-time collaborative mixing of digital media including video, this can be done also to a certain extent in UpStage (http://www.upstage.org.nz) altho visitors studio offers more possibilities in terms of video mixing. in both of these platforms there are limits to the size of what can be uploaded - obviously if people are mixing watching in real-time, there will be bandwidth issues. there is also wj-s (http://www.wj-s.org/) but as far as i'm aware this is not an online platform - it uses the internet to sample media from the web, but it's all compiled/manipulated presented in a single physical location (i might be wrong on that, i've never actually managed to see a performance). vj theory (http://www.vjtheory.net/) might be of interest to you, altho i don't know how much they get into networked practices. also the live performers meeting (http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net/), which is mostly offline real-time VJ related performance, but when i was there last year there were a small number of us working online i think it's an area that people in that network are starting to move into. that's just off the top of my head - there is other stuff out there ... :) h : ) On 27/02/12 12:52 PM, Antonio Roberts wrote: Is there such a thing as networked video performance? If so, are there any examples or literature surrounding this topic? I provide visuals for a band (BiLE http://www.bilensemble.co.uk/). The six performers are all connected on a local network, sharing messages over osc and manipulating each others' sounds to create one bigger sound. In some pieces they each manipulate sounds from a central source, or server. Has anything like this been explored with VJing? For example, a number of VJs each manipulating one thing or working with the same content to then manipulate it and display it on screen. Or maybe something else... Another band/collective I'm in, Freecode (http://freecodecollective.tumblr.com/), has started to look at this, but so far only by sending video output from each performer to a mixer. I feel this kind of collaboration could go deeper! Any thoughts are welcome -- helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst he...@creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.make-shift.net http://www.upstage.org.nz ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] Networked Video Performance
Hi Antonio and all, if you are looking for an off-line tool I sugest you to look deep into puredata-extended (puredata.info) Over the years I did different vj set and live performance (net)working with other people controlling video or audio together. In puredata is really easy send message to a network using Open Sound Protocol. In the case you would manipulate same video texture from different locations you will need to look some other on-line tool flash based (like flxer.net) or some new javascript toy (like https://developer.mozilla.org/media/uploads/demos/s/p/spite/dc461502a5dfbfa8585c27aa5a0a9804/html5-vjing-tool_1312317583_demo_package/index.html ) if you need help to start with puredata don't hesitate to contact me cheers husk On Mon, Feb 27, 2012 at 2:16 PM, helen varley jamieson he...@creative-catalyst.com wrote: hi antonio, it depends what you mean by networked video performance; there are many things going on in the field of networked performance lots of work that employs live video. visitors studio (http://www.visitorsstudio.org/) is one platform that enables real-time collaborative mixing of digital media including video, this can be done also to a certain extent in UpStage (http://www.upstage.org.nz) altho visitors studio offers more possibilities in terms of video mixing. in both of these platforms there are limits to the size of what can be uploaded - obviously if people are mixing watching in real-time, there will be bandwidth issues. there is also wj-s (http://www.wj-s.org/) but as far as i'm aware this is not an online platform - it uses the internet to sample media from the web, but it's all compiled/manipulated presented in a single physical location (i might be wrong on that, i've never actually managed to see a performance). vj theory (http://www.vjtheory.net/) might be of interest to you, altho i don't know how much they get into networked practices. also the live performers meeting (http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net/), which is mostly offline real-time VJ related performance, but when i was there last year there were a small number of us working online i think it's an area that people in that network are starting to move into. that's just off the top of my head - there is other stuff out there ... :) h : ) On 27/02/12 12:52 PM, Antonio Roberts wrote: Is there such a thing as networked video performance? If so, are there any examples or literature surrounding this topic? I provide visuals for a band (BiLE http://www.bilensemble.co.uk/). The six performers are all connected on a local network, sharing messages over osc and manipulating each others' sounds to create one bigger sound. In some pieces they each manipulate sounds from a central source, or server. Has anything like this been explored with VJing? For example, a number of VJs each manipulating one thing or working with the same content to then manipulate it and display it on screen. Or maybe something else... Another band/collective I'm in, Freecode (http://freecodecollective.tumblr.com/), has started to look at this, but so far only by sending video output from each performer to a mixer. I feel this kind of collaboration could go deeper! Any thoughts are welcome -- helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst he...@creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.make-shift.net http://www.upstage.org.nz ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour -- l'importante nella vita é avere pregiudizi a priori su tutto Jean-Paul-Sartre www.estereotips.net ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
