Re: [NetBehaviour] RomaEuropaFAKEFactory: We won't fly for art : Take the Pledge
Hi Helen, very sage points! The connection (between a live event and a remote onlookers/participants) is not just a transparent technical one but one that requires human mediation and some motivating factor for the remote contingent(s). In addition to setting the framework for exchange or dialogue, the techno-social connection needs to be maintained creatively and sensitively at both ends- this takes special attention and I don't think it's desireable or realistic to assume that someone can just do it on top of other responsibilities (although people do assume this all the time: / ). I think it's symptomatic of a more general attitude to technology in social settings that when its working you shouldn't notice it; ) This might account for the terrible treatment of people in IT services in HE and beyond. I'd like to know more about your work supporting live connections with Magdalena theatre. At Furtherfield we are in the early stages of thinking about this but our attention to Rich Networking is focused at the intersection of pragmatic Business-focused teleconferencing and the protagonists/participants/audiences of networked performance and telematic artworks. The tricky bit is maintaining the critical balance (and productive discomfort) on the line between transparent technical solutions and allowing the mediation process of the tech to become visible and so be part of the exchange. I'm hoping to go to ETC in Istanbul http://eclectictechcarnival.org/ this year if I can find a doable way of getting there by train;) This might be a good topic of discussion, experimentation and play. thanks helen! cheers Ruth -Original Message- From: helen varley jamieson he...@creative-catalyst.com Reply-To: he...@creative-catalyst.com, NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] RomaEuropaFAKEFactory: We won't fly for art : Take the Pledge Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:57:22 +1200 great - i would also be interested to hear more about rich networking. i've been involved in theatre or computing events (specifically thru magdalena eclectic tech carnival networks) where we have attempted to onvolve remote participants via internet, or to connect interact with simultaneous similar events. it's only been partially successful because people inevitably get caught up in the proximal reality lose the motivation to maintain a split focus. unless there is someone at each venue who is prepared to be dedicated to the online communication, it is hard to maintain. i don't mind so much when i'm the remote person, because i just multitask until someone or something comes alive via whatever means we're using (irc, web cam, skype, UpStage, etherpad, blogs, etc). but i know that for people who are less used to it can get frustrated /or bored because they feel neglected. but i think it's just a matter of learning the processes that can facilitate it. in august i'll be at a theatre festival in denmark, some people who won't be there have already asked me if i can facilitate an online link for them. i know that this festival is full-on, i'll be run off my feet, staying up talking until 1am getting up at 6am in order to have a shower breakfast before the work starts. i know there's good internet there i'll have my laptop web cam, but i don't know about sound - is it worth web casting a discussion if the sound isn't audible? (i won't even try to web cast the performances). i've asked the people who want it to be very specific about which events they want to be web cast, then i'll see whether it's doable, if so i'll focus on one or two events rather than spend half the festival trying to web cast it. every time we get a little bit better at it ... h : ) Hope we get to be one of your venues exploring both local, physical presence and network facilitated interaction. Let me know and I'll send you a copy of our draft plans for Rich Networking. cheers Ruth http://furtherfield.org ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
Re: [NetBehaviour] RomaEuropaFAKEFactory: We won't fly for art : Take the Pledge
Hello xDxD, and thank you for articulating the landscape for our pledge in such vivid strokes! You are undertaking an invigorating task with RomaEuropaFAKEFactory, to remediate (through practice) the infrastructure of operations and concepts that are central to the mainstream artworlds; established habits and systems of communication and funding distribution as well as assumptions about the purpose and form of competition, science and the exhibition. I'd like to pick up on one of your particular points - about the unsatisfactory nature of networked communications for conferences. I got into trouble around the time of ISEA 2004 for questioning the need for international media artists to congregate in one place for an enormous junket. It seemed weird to me at the time how little effort was being made to distribute the effects of networked art practice to those who were unable to attend and how quickly this community replicated the patterns of exisiting institutions. Node.London Season of Media Arts undertook something similarly ambitious in 2006 by bringing together communities at the intersection of Art Activism and Engineering (software developers). (Voluntary) organisers committed to exploring the potential of networks and openness for the production, organisation and dissemination of the season. Reaching a common understanding of the politics, aesthetics and technics of Openness both consumed and produced enormous amounts of energy. It had a lasting effect of making a network of people and organisations more visible to each other. It built trust and it wasn't easy! Marc and I analysed some of these problems, and their effects in the text. http://www.furtherfield.org/NODEGettingOrganisedOpenly.pdf 640k At Furtherfield we have been working (slowly) on a plan to explore the potential of what we are calling rich networks. This is our attempt to grapple with some of the questions raised by Helen and Pall. We are looking for participants and partner organisations to explore with us the range of existing networking activities and frameworks that are already used to stimulate exchange and collaboration between groups of people attending international conferences, fairs and networking events. Then to experiment, rethink and replicate the best bits of these experiences using network technology; the social, sensual and interpersonal experience. It will involve looking at the limiting and motivating factors for artists, curators, technologists, musicians, thinkers, researchers and any combination of the above. There are a number of things that fascinate me personally - the ways in which to create a sense of occasion in each location for distributed events (working with blends of networked connection and physical presence) - valuable exchanges often take place outside of formal structured programmes (in their wake, between sessions, when socialising) - influential things that happen out of view. These can be replicated (though not consistently controlled) with lag, network failure and what happens out of view of web cams. - the range of interactions one to one, many to many, one to many and mass to mass (groups of people encountering each other) - the physical virtual interface (it sounds dull I know, but in our first experiments it is like stepping through Alice's mirror.) There are a load of artworks to take inspiration from. A few examples...Hole in Space by Galloway and Rabinovitz, 'Telematic Dreaming' by Paul Sermon, Station Rose's 'Opera Calling', The pUBLIC's 'Streaming Tales' with Grazio Milano and Annie Abrahams's live networked performance and her series of online art events with Panoplie. Then there is a whole layer of artists platforms for live performance and collaboration including Helen's Upstage, Transnational Temps's Ecoscope and Furtherfield's VisitorsStudio. Don Foresta of www.mmmarcel.org (developing infrastructure utillising the international high bandwith networks of academia to facilitate interdisciplinary collaboration) has been involved with Networked art practice since the 70's. He told me recently that Naim June Paik predicted that video would not replace film but aeroplanes. That seems like something worth exploring ; ) So bravo to your taking the pledge!- (don't forget to replicate the pledge on pledgebank- we still need another two pledgers to take this final step before Friday). Hope we get to be one of your venues exploring both local, physical presence and network facilitated interaction. Let me know and I'll send you a copy of our draft plans for Rich Networking. cheers Ruth http://furtherfield.org -Original Message- From: xDxD.vs.xDxD xdxd.vs.x...@gmail.com Reply-To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org To: NetBehaviour for networked distributed creativity netbehaviour@netbehaviour.org Subject: Re: [NetBehaviour] We won't fly for art : Take the Pledge Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 23:10:35 +0200 hello there! i
Re: [NetBehaviour] RomaEuropaFAKEFactory: We won't fly for art : Take the Pledge
great - i would also be interested to hear more about rich networking. i've been involved in theatre or computing events (specifically thru magdalena eclectic tech carnival networks) where we have attempted to onvolve remote participants via internet, or to connect interact with simultaneous similar events. it's only been partially successful because people inevitably get caught up in the proximal reality lose the motivation to maintain a split focus. unless there is someone at each venue who is prepared to be dedicated to the online communication, it is hard to maintain. i don't mind so much when i'm the remote person, because i just multitask until someone or something comes alive via whatever means we're using (irc, web cam, skype, UpStage, etherpad, blogs, etc). but i know that for people who are less used to it can get frustrated /or bored because they feel neglected. but i think it's just a matter of learning the processes that can facilitate it. in august i'll be at a theatre festival in denmark, some people who won't be there have already asked me if i can facilitate an online link for them. i know that this festival is full-on, i'll be run off my feet, staying up talking until 1am getting up at 6am in order to have a shower breakfast before the work starts. i know there's good internet there i'll have my laptop web cam, but i don't know about sound - is it worth web casting a discussion if the sound isn't audible? (i won't even try to web cast the performances). i've asked the people who want it to be very specific about which events they want to be web cast, then i'll see whether it's doable, if so i'll focus on one or two events rather than spend half the festival trying to web cast it. every time we get a little bit better at it ... h : ) Hope we get to be one of your venues exploring both local, physical presence and network facilitated interaction. Let me know and I'll send you a copy of our draft plans for Rich Networking. cheers Ruth http://furtherfield.org -- helen varley jamieson: creative catalyst he...@creative-catalyst.com http://www.creative-catalyst.com http://www.avatarbodycollision.org http://www.upstage.org.nz http://www.writerfind.com/hjamieson.htm ___ NetBehaviour mailing list NetBehaviour@netbehaviour.org http://www.netbehaviour.org/mailman/listinfo/netbehaviour
