Re: Release
Am 17.12.2021 um 14:33 schrieb Martin Husemann: On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 08:27:56PM +0800, Piper H wrote: solutions than OpenBSD. NetBSD also has a very strong commitment to binary compatibility with old releases *and* the slowest release cycle (which also means active support for old release lasts pretty long). This is bad for you if you are waiting for support for something new in an official release, but it is helpfull if you run several machines and don't want to change things when you can avoid it). ...and it makes NetBSD an actual option as a foundation for long term supported appliances, even if the vendor is only a one man company or a small company. That is my experience at least. And of course NetBSD has the most friendly and welcoming community ;-) In today's world, that's worth more than running after every technical "innovation" ;-) Kind regards Matthias
Re: Release
Anyway,someone of you know if at the moment,netbsd supports my graphic
cards ? As default I use this :
vgapci0@pci0:0:2:0: class=0x03 rev=0x02 hdr=0x00 vendor=0x8086
device=0x3e98 subvendor=0x1458 subdevice=0
xd000
vendor = 'Intel Corporation'
device = 'CoffeeLake-S GT2 [UHD Graphics 630]'
class = display
subclass = VGA
and this as secondary :
ppt0@pci0:2:0:0:class=0x03 rev=0xa1 hdr=0x00 vendor=0x10de
device=0x1e04 subvendor=0x19da subdevice=0
x2503
vendor = 'NVIDIA Corporation'
device = 'TU102 [GeForce RTX 2080 Ti]'
class = display
subclass = VGA
in this very long thread I've been helped to make it works,but without
success :
https://www.unitedbsd.com/d/582-trying-to-install-the-driver-for-my-main-gputhe-intel-uhd-graphics-630i915
Il giorno ven 17 dic 2021 alle ore 16:16 Pedro Pinho
ha scritto:
> Putting things into "boxes" is understandble but, also somewhat
> restrictive.
>
> Here's a full-fledged NetBSD set-up on a laptop that I posted a few weeks
> ago,
> https://www.reddit.com/r/UsabilityPorn/comments/qv8qap/lxqt_modern_netbsd_desktop/
>
> As you can see, not embeded device.
>
> Den fre 17 dec. 2021 14:23Piper H skrev:
>
>> I have googled for the info, the brief difference from my understanding
>> - freebsd for general use like ubuntu for linux, openbsd focus on
>> security, netbsd is built for embedded. Am I right?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 8:23 PM Lizbeth Mutterhunt, Ph.D <
>> lizbethmutterh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Once, decades ago, BSD was once, but seperated itself into the three
>>> main-distributions: FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD; the most common version
>>> nowadays - excuse please - ist FreeBSD. DragonFlyBSD is a derivative of
>>> FreeBSD with an unserspace quite different to FreeBSD, lacking the newest
>>> kernel and beta-versions called -CURRENT!
>>>
>>> And a BSD kernel is the half of Steve Jobbs Apple Macintosh kernel and
>>> their base.
>>>
>>> lizbeth
>>>
>>> Am Fr., 17. Dez. 2021 um 12:39 Uhr schrieb Piper H :
>>>
I have another silly question: what's the brief difference between
NetBSD, FreeBSD, OpenBSD and DragonflyBSD?
Thanks for pointing that out.
On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 10:57 AM Todd Gruhn wrote:
> Now that I think of it: isnt Android based on LINUX? Why not NetBSD
> on a smartphone?
>
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 7:38 PM Michael Cheponis
> wrote:
> >
> > The last "Danger" smartphone -- some say still the very best
> smartphone for its time -- used NetBSD under the hood. It was really fast
> and responsive, small, easy to fit onto the processor -- all from a buddy
> of mine who worked at Danger in SW. Danger did the App SW, which was also
> very good. But it was NetBSD under the hood. My buddy showed an early
> prototype to me at the time, and I was jealous.
> >
> > I do not know if the mods needed to run NetBSD that platform ever
> made it back into MAIN. ('cause BSD license and all)
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_Hiptop
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:04 AM Piper H wrote:
> >>
> >> Is there a mobile OS based on BSD, besides OSX?
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 2:18 PM Miko Larsson
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> When it's ready ;p
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> ~~~miko
> >>>
> >>> On 12/15/21, Todd Gruhn wrote:
> >>> > When is the next official NetBSD release?
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> ~~~miko
>
--
Mario.
Re: Release
Putting things into "boxes" is understandble but, also somewhat restrictive.
Here's a full-fledged NetBSD set-up on a laptop that I posted a few weeks
ago,
https://www.reddit.com/r/UsabilityPorn/comments/qv8qap/lxqt_modern_netbsd_desktop/
As you can see, not embeded device.
Den fre 17 dec. 2021 14:23Piper H skrev:
> I have googled for the info, the brief difference from my understanding -
> freebsd for general use like ubuntu for linux, openbsd focus on security,
> netbsd is built for embedded. Am I right?
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 8:23 PM Lizbeth Mutterhunt, Ph.D <
> lizbethmutterh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Once, decades ago, BSD was once, but seperated itself into the three
>> main-distributions: FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD; the most common version
>> nowadays - excuse please - ist FreeBSD. DragonFlyBSD is a derivative of
>> FreeBSD with an unserspace quite different to FreeBSD, lacking the newest
>> kernel and beta-versions called -CURRENT!
>>
>> And a BSD kernel is the half of Steve Jobbs Apple Macintosh kernel and
>> their base.
>>
>> lizbeth
>>
>> Am Fr., 17. Dez. 2021 um 12:39 Uhr schrieb Piper H :
>>
>>> I have another silly question: what's the brief difference between
>>> NetBSD, FreeBSD, OpenBSD and DragonflyBSD?
>>>
>>> Thanks for pointing that out.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 10:57 AM Todd Gruhn wrote:
>>>
Now that I think of it: isnt Android based on LINUX? Why not NetBSD
on a smartphone?
On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 7:38 PM Michael Cheponis
wrote:
>
> The last "Danger" smartphone -- some say still the very best
smartphone for its time -- used NetBSD under the hood. It was really fast
and responsive, small, easy to fit onto the processor -- all from a buddy
of mine who worked at Danger in SW. Danger did the App SW, which was also
very good. But it was NetBSD under the hood. My buddy showed an early
prototype to me at the time, and I was jealous.
>
> I do not know if the mods needed to run NetBSD that platform ever
made it back into MAIN. ('cause BSD license and all)
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_Hiptop
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:04 AM Piper H wrote:
>>
>> Is there a mobile OS based on BSD, besides OSX?
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 2:18 PM Miko Larsson
wrote:
>>>
>>> When it's ready ;p
>>>
>>> --
>>> ~~~miko
>>>
>>> On 12/15/21, Todd Gruhn wrote:
>>> > When is the next official NetBSD release?
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ~~~miko
>>>
Re: Release
Actually I'm intrigued by DragonFlyBSD because it does not use bhyve as a
hypervisor but qemu + nvmm and it should be very nice. I'm not sure if it
allows the passthru of the graphic card,but I want to try.
Il giorno ven 17 dic 2021 alle ore 14:23 Lizbeth Mutterhunt, Ph.D <
lizbethmutterh...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
> Once, decades ago, BSD was once, but seperated itself into the three
> main-distributions: FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD; the most common version
> nowadays - excuse please - ist FreeBSD. DragonFlyBSD is a derivative of
> FreeBSD with an unserspace quite different to FreeBSD, lacking the newest
> kernel and beta-versions called -CURRENT!
>
> And a BSD kernel is the half of Steve Jobbs Apple Macintosh kernel and
> their base.
>
> lizbeth
>
> Am Fr., 17. Dez. 2021 um 12:39 Uhr schrieb Piper H :
>
>> I have another silly question: what's the brief difference between
>> NetBSD, FreeBSD, OpenBSD and DragonflyBSD?
>>
>> Thanks for pointing that out.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 10:57 AM Todd Gruhn wrote:
>>
>>> Now that I think of it: isnt Android based on LINUX? Why not NetBSD
>>> on a smartphone?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 7:38 PM Michael Cheponis
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > The last "Danger" smartphone -- some say still the very best
>>> smartphone for its time -- used NetBSD under the hood. It was really fast
>>> and responsive, small, easy to fit onto the processor -- all from a buddy
>>> of mine who worked at Danger in SW. Danger did the App SW, which was also
>>> very good. But it was NetBSD under the hood. My buddy showed an early
>>> prototype to me at the time, and I was jealous.
>>> >
>>> > I do not know if the mods needed to run NetBSD that platform ever made
>>> it back into MAIN. ('cause BSD license and all)
>>> >
>>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_Hiptop
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:04 AM Piper H wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Is there a mobile OS based on BSD, besides OSX?
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 2:18 PM Miko Larsson
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> When it's ready ;p
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> ~~~miko
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 12/15/21, Todd Gruhn wrote:
>>> >>> > When is the next official NetBSD release?
>>> >>> >
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> ~~~miko
>>>
>>
--
Mario.
Re: Release
On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 08:27:56PM +0800, Piper H wrote: > I have googled for the info, the brief difference from my understanding - > freebsd for general use like ubuntu for linux, openbsd focus on security, > netbsd is built for embedded. Am I right? It is not that simple to tell in general. They are all ... just different. If the hardware you care about is supported by all of them, you have free choice. There is lots of cooperation between the three groups ongoing, and it sometimes is hard to tell what is best for a concrete use. NetBSD has a strong commitment to security - but somehow often comes to different solutions than OpenBSD. NetBSD also has a very strong commitment to binary compatibility with old releases *and* the slowest release cycle (which also means active support for old release lasts pretty long). This is bad for you if you are waiting for support for something new in an official release, but it is helpfull if you run several machines and don't want to change things when you can avoid it). So in the end it often is personal taste. And of course NetBSD has the most friendly and welcoming community ;-) Martin
Re: Release
I have googled for the info, the brief difference from my understanding -
freebsd for general use like ubuntu for linux, openbsd focus on security,
netbsd is built for embedded. Am I right?
On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 8:23 PM Lizbeth Mutterhunt, Ph.D <
lizbethmutterh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Once, decades ago, BSD was once, but seperated itself into the three
> main-distributions: FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD; the most common version
> nowadays - excuse please - ist FreeBSD. DragonFlyBSD is a derivative of
> FreeBSD with an unserspace quite different to FreeBSD, lacking the newest
> kernel and beta-versions called -CURRENT!
>
> And a BSD kernel is the half of Steve Jobbs Apple Macintosh kernel and
> their base.
>
> lizbeth
>
> Am Fr., 17. Dez. 2021 um 12:39 Uhr schrieb Piper H :
>
>> I have another silly question: what's the brief difference between
>> NetBSD, FreeBSD, OpenBSD and DragonflyBSD?
>>
>> Thanks for pointing that out.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 10:57 AM Todd Gruhn wrote:
>>
>>> Now that I think of it: isnt Android based on LINUX? Why not NetBSD
>>> on a smartphone?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 7:38 PM Michael Cheponis
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > The last "Danger" smartphone -- some say still the very best
>>> smartphone for its time -- used NetBSD under the hood. It was really fast
>>> and responsive, small, easy to fit onto the processor -- all from a buddy
>>> of mine who worked at Danger in SW. Danger did the App SW, which was also
>>> very good. But it was NetBSD under the hood. My buddy showed an early
>>> prototype to me at the time, and I was jealous.
>>> >
>>> > I do not know if the mods needed to run NetBSD that platform ever made
>>> it back into MAIN. ('cause BSD license and all)
>>> >
>>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_Hiptop
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:04 AM Piper H wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Is there a mobile OS based on BSD, besides OSX?
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 2:18 PM Miko Larsson
>>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> When it's ready ;p
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> ~~~miko
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 12/15/21, Todd Gruhn wrote:
>>> >>> > When is the next official NetBSD release?
>>> >>> >
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> ~~~miko
>>>
>>
Re: Release
Once, decades ago, BSD was once, but seperated itself into the three
main-distributions: FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD; the most common version
nowadays - excuse please - ist FreeBSD. DragonFlyBSD is a derivative of
FreeBSD with an unserspace quite different to FreeBSD, lacking the newest
kernel and beta-versions called -CURRENT!
And a BSD kernel is the half of Steve Jobbs Apple Macintosh kernel and
their base.
lizbeth
Am Fr., 17. Dez. 2021 um 12:39 Uhr schrieb Piper H :
> I have another silly question: what's the brief difference between NetBSD,
> FreeBSD, OpenBSD and DragonflyBSD?
>
> Thanks for pointing that out.
>
> On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 10:57 AM Todd Gruhn wrote:
>
>> Now that I think of it: isnt Android based on LINUX? Why not NetBSD
>> on a smartphone?
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 7:38 PM Michael Cheponis
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > The last "Danger" smartphone -- some say still the very best smartphone
>> for its time -- used NetBSD under the hood. It was really fast and
>> responsive, small, easy to fit onto the processor -- all from a buddy of
>> mine who worked at Danger in SW. Danger did the App SW, which was also
>> very good. But it was NetBSD under the hood. My buddy showed an early
>> prototype to me at the time, and I was jealous.
>> >
>> > I do not know if the mods needed to run NetBSD that platform ever made
>> it back into MAIN. ('cause BSD license and all)
>> >
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_Hiptop
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:04 AM Piper H wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Is there a mobile OS based on BSD, besides OSX?
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 2:18 PM Miko Larsson
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> When it's ready ;p
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> ~~~miko
>> >>>
>> >>> On 12/15/21, Todd Gruhn wrote:
>> >>> > When is the next official NetBSD release?
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> ~~~miko
>>
>
Re: Release
I have another silly question: what's the brief difference between NetBSD,
FreeBSD, OpenBSD and DragonflyBSD?
Thanks for pointing that out.
On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 10:57 AM Todd Gruhn wrote:
> Now that I think of it: isnt Android based on LINUX? Why not NetBSD
> on a smartphone?
>
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 7:38 PM Michael Cheponis
> wrote:
> >
> > The last "Danger" smartphone -- some say still the very best smartphone
> for its time -- used NetBSD under the hood. It was really fast and
> responsive, small, easy to fit onto the processor -- all from a buddy of
> mine who worked at Danger in SW. Danger did the App SW, which was also
> very good. But it was NetBSD under the hood. My buddy showed an early
> prototype to me at the time, and I was jealous.
> >
> > I do not know if the mods needed to run NetBSD that platform ever made
> it back into MAIN. ('cause BSD license and all)
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_Hiptop
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 1:04 AM Piper H wrote:
> >>
> >> Is there a mobile OS based on BSD, besides OSX?
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 16, 2021 at 2:18 PM Miko Larsson wrote:
> >>>
> >>> When it's ready ;p
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> ~~~miko
> >>>
> >>> On 12/15/21, Todd Gruhn wrote:
> >>> > When is the next official NetBSD release?
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> ~~~miko
>
Re: Release / NetBSD as mobile OS
If my BMW GS motorcycle display can run on NetBSD (judging by listings of patents and rights) ,all wireless connectivities included, engine control, and great touch screen GUI, I don't see why not. Just no big maker bothers doing it. On Thu, Dec 16, 2021, 10:31 Matthias Petermann wrote: > > Am 16.12.2021 um 07:33 schrieb Piper H: > > Is there a mobile OS based on BSD, besides OSX? > > That depends on how you define mobile OS. Basically there is everything > you need in NetBSD to make it a usable OS for mobile devices. To get an > idea of this, I recommend this blog post from 2017. Under "Device Driver > Support", it goes into particular detail about many aspects that are > relevant for use on mobile devices: > > https://blog.netbsd.org/tnf/entry/netbsd_on_allwinner_socs_update > > And yes - I also wish that one day I can have NetBSD on my cell phone :-) > > Kind regards > Matthias >
