[netmod] YANG 1.1 Y60 IETF 93 discussion summary and action items

2015-07-25 Thread Juergen Schoenwaelder
This is the summary of the discussion of YANG 1.1 issue Y60 at the
IETF 93 meeting in Prague:

 - It is OK for a YANG 1.1 module to import a YANG 1.0 module (which
   will of course be interpreted according to the YANG 1.0 rules).

 - The YANG 1.1 RFC will not obsolete RFC 6020. (RFC 6020 may be
   retired when all published YANG 1.0 data models have been
   converted to YANG 1.1.)

 - The title should be made less NETCONF specific (and the same
   applies to the Abstract and the Introduction). This will not
   affect the NETCONF specific examples that are used throughout
   the text.

 - The IANA considerations text copied from RFC 6020 will be removed
   from the YANG 1.1 specification.

 - The IETF will not run a transition process to retire YANG 1.0; it
   is assumed that this will happen naturally anyway eventually.

 - The NETMOD WG recommends that the IETF will publish only YANG 1.1
   modules as RFCs once the YANG 1.1 RFC has been published.

Action items:

 - AB to check whether there are any loopholes.
 - JS to schedule virtual interim meetings to handle review comments.

/js

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Re: [netmod] YANG 1.1 Y60 IETF 93 discussion summary and action items

2015-07-25 Thread Andy Bierman
On Sat, Jul 25, 2015 at 1:25 AM, Juergen Schoenwaelder 
j.schoenwael...@jacobs-university.de wrote:

 This is the summary of the discussion of YANG 1.1 issue Y60 at the
 IETF 93 meeting in Prague:

  - It is OK for a YANG 1.1 module to import a YANG 1.0 module (which
will of course be interpreted according to the YANG 1.0 rules).



I am not convinced this will be a good idea.
Obviously the compiler has to restrict 1.0 modules to 1.0 syntax,
but the corner-case semantics that have been clarified in 1.1
SHOULD be followed if a 1.1 module imports 1.0, even for augment.




  - The YANG 1.1 RFC will not obsolete RFC 6020. (RFC 6020 may be
retired when all published YANG 1.0 data models have been
converted to YANG 1.1.)

  - The title should be made less NETCONF specific (and the same
applies to the Abstract and the Introduction). This will not
affect the NETCONF specific examples that are used throughout
the text.



If this is the case then I think the restconf-media-type hack
should be a real YANG statement.  The reason it is an extension
is because YANG is NETCONF-only.  A real statement
could support augments and deviations.

Just removing a sentence from the abstract is not going to fix all
NETCONF-specific details in YANG.  (Just ask Lada ;-)  It is
not going to make YANG correct for RESTCONF.

YANG will need to be modified for I2RS anyway.  YANG 1.1 took
too long, and now I2RS is ready.  I strongly object to the idea
of starting on 1.2 while 1.1 is still unpublished.




  - The IANA considerations text copied from RFC 6020 will be removed
from the YANG 1.1 specification.



Does this mean that YANG 1.1 will have a normative reference to RFC 6020?
Or are the references to the IANA registries?





  - The IETF will not run a transition process to retire YANG 1.0; it
is assumed that this will happen naturally anyway eventually.



If import-without-revision is used in a 1.0 module, and both 1.0 and 1.1
revisions exist of the imported module, a compiler (and server)
have to make sure the default revision a YANG 1.0 revision.



  - The NETMOD WG recommends that the IETF will publish only YANG 1.1
modules as RFCs once the YANG 1.1 RFC has been published.

 Action items:

  - AB to check whether there are any loopholes.
  - JS to schedule virtual interim meetings to handle review comments.

 /js


Andy


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[netmod] new YANG 1.1 Issue Y61: I2RS support

2015-07-25 Thread Andy Bierman
Hi,

I would like to open another issue for YANG 1.1,
because I don't want to have 1.1 and then 1.2 right away.
The NETMOD WG should evaluate the different ways to
support ephemeral state, based on Jeff's draft.


Andy
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