Re: Report attached as requested

2008-07-30 Thread Jess Hampshire
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Rob Kendrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Please do not email us log files from crashed sessions of NetSurf with
 zero context.  We did not request the log, as suggested in your
 subject line, nor any of the previous dozen. It is not helpful in the

I suspect that is his (reasonable) interpretation of the error box.

 least, and wastes our and your time. Please either use the bug tracker,
 or report issues on this mailing list.  You may be requested to send us
 the log file /after/ you have done this.

Perhaps you could replace the error message with something as clear as 
this posting?


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Re: Report attached as requested

2008-07-30 Thread John-Mark Bell

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008, Jess Hampshire wrote:


In message [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Rob Kendrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Please do not email us log files from crashed sessions of NetSurf with
zero context.  We did not request the log, as suggested in your
subject line, nor any of the previous dozen. It is not helpful in the


I suspect that is his (reasonable) interpretation of the error box.


least, and wastes our and your time. Please either use the bug tracker,
or report issues on this mailing list.  You may be requested to send us
the log file /after/ you have done this.


Perhaps you could replace the error message with something as clear as
this posting?


Clearly Rob's posting wasn't clear enough, seeing as you've missed the 
point of it :)


The issue is not that bugs are being reported -- we're very grateful for 
that. It is, instead, that a Log file on its own does not constitute a 
bug report. There are many things the Log file can tell us, but a 
description of the exact things the user was doing when the fault occurred 
can often be equally, if not more, useful.


The bug tracker, despite its faults, does at least result in some context 
being given. So far, the bugs@ mail alias has not (even when we've replied 
to mails sent to that address asking for context). Therefore, we've shut 
it down until such time as a better solution is forthcoming.



John.



Re: Altering default window size

2008-07-30 Thread Richard Ashbery
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tricia
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 28 Jul, in article
 [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tony Moore
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On 28 Jul 2008, Tricia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   I'm fairly sure I did know how to alter the default size of the
   window in NetSurf but have forgotten (senior moments in spades
   these days) and although I've looked in the archives cannot
   find the information.

  Open the window as you wish it to be, then menu over the window 
  Utilities  Window  Set as default position.

 Ah, that's the one :-) Silly me, I thought it was an option in
 Display - no wonder I couldn't get it to work...

 Many thanks,

and from me.

Regards

Richard




Object scroll bars

2008-07-30 Thread Paul Vigay
Are there any plans (or timescale) to add support for scroll bars on
embedded objects?

I'm currently developing a website for a client, and I'm using the object
tag instead of frames. Whilst it 'almost' works on NetSurf, there is no
scrollbar so you can't read the bottom.

Example at http://test.digitalphenomena.co.uk/abar/menu2.html

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Re: Object scroll bars

2008-07-30 Thread Rob Kendrick
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:26:21 +0100
Paul Vigay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm currently developing a website for a client, and I'm using the
 object tag instead of frames. Whilst it 'almost' works on NetSurf,
 there is no scrollbar so you can't read the bottom.

Why not use a frame instead?  For embedding HTML content, they're
conceptually identical in so far as their annoyances and flaws.
 
 Example at http://test.digitalphenomena.co.uk/abar/menu2.html

I lost interest when attempting to wget this results in a 403.

B.



Re: Object scroll bars

2008-07-30 Thread Paul Vigay
In a dim and distant universe [EMAIL PROTECTED],
   Rob Kendrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] enlightened us thusly:

 Why not use a frame instead?  For embedding HTML content, they're
 conceptually identical in so far as their annoyances and flaws.

I didn't really want to use frames due to having to recode the rest of the
page, especially as I've made extensive use of SSIs which would mean I'd
have to do that page differently to all the others.

 I lost interest when attempting to wget this results in a 403.

That's because it's not a live site yet and is currently running from my
test server, which blocks attempts to grab development code off it. :-)

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Re: Object scroll bars

2008-07-30 Thread Rob Kendrick
On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:11:02 +0100
Paul Vigay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Why not use a frame instead?  For embedding HTML content, they're
  conceptually identical in so far as their annoyances and flaws.
 
 I didn't really want to use frames due to having to recode the rest
 of the page, especially as I've made extensive use of SSIs which
 would mean I'd have to do that page differently to all the others.

How is this different from using object ?

  I lost interest when attempting to wget this results in a 403.
 
 That's because it's not a live site yet and is currently running from
 my test server, which blocks attempts to grab development code off
 it. :-)

You won't get any precise input from me, then :)  Although I could just
tell wget via command line parameters to use a different user agent
(as anybody else would who wanted to grab your development code), it's
not worth the 5 seconds of my time it would take! :-)

B.



Re: Object scroll bars

2008-07-30 Thread Michael Drake
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
   Paul Vigay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 In a dim and distant universe [EMAIL PROTECTED],
Rob Kendrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] enlightened us thusly:

  Why not use a frame instead?  For embedding HTML content, they're
  conceptually identical in so far as their annoyances and flaws.

 I didn't really want to use frames due to having to recode the rest of
 the page, especially as I've made extensive use of SSIs which would mean
 I'd have to do that page differently to all the others.

Not frames, use an IFRAME instead of OBJECT.

Michael

-- 

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Re: Object scroll bars

2008-07-30 Thread Paul Vigay
In a dim and distant universe [EMAIL PROTECTED],
   Rob Kendrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] enlightened us thusly:

 How is this different from using object ?

A single object tag as opposed to an entire frameset which has to be in
the head section of the website.

 You won't get any precise input from me, then :)  Although I could just
 tell wget via command line parameters to use a different user agent (as
 anybody else would who wanted to grab your development code), it's not
 worth the 5 seconds of my time it would take! :-)

Well, it's not /that/ important. If it was, I'd just bung an .htaccess on
it. It's only to stop casual grabbers and automated bots/spiders etc.

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Re: Object scroll bars

2008-07-30 Thread Paul Vigay
In a dim and distant universe [EMAIL PROTECTED],
   Michael Drake [EMAIL PROTECTED] enlightened us thusly:

 Not frames, use an IFRAME instead of OBJECT.

Righto. I've changed it to an iframe, which does indeed correctly give a
scroll bar in NetSurf, but the background is fixed at white, instead of
being transparent - although that's obviously not so important.

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