Problem with Save page location as text.
This has become entirely predictable over the last few weeks, and has just happened to me three times running. I haven't yet raised a bug report, as by the nature of the problem there is no logfile to submit. If I try twice in the same NetSurf session to do a save page location as text, on the second attempt as soon as I slide the pointer off the arrow in the text sub-menu, NetSurf just vanishes in an invisible puff of smoke. Because it hasn't shut down properly, there's nothing relevant in the logfile. Should I just submit a logfile anyway? This is on RISC OS 5.16, and currently with test build r13031. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ ____ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk
Re: Problem with Save page location as text.
On 11 Oct, Dr Peter Young wrote in message 9433842052.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk: This has become entirely predictable over the last few weeks, and has just happened to me three times running. I haven't yet raised a bug report, as by the nature of the problem there is no logfile to submit. If I try twice in the same NetSurf session to do a save page location as text, on the second attempt as soon as I slide the pointer off the arrow in the text sub-menu, NetSurf just vanishes in an invisible puff of smoke. Because it hasn't shut down properly, there's nothing relevant in the logfile. Hmm. It doesn't here. If you load NetSurf, go to a page, try that action twice, does it do it? Or do you need to have been browsing around first? Should I just submit a logfile anyway? Please. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
Re: Problem with Save page location as text.
On 11 Oct 2011 Steve Fryatt li...@stevefryatt.org.uk wrote: On 11 Oct, Dr Peter Young wrote in message 9433842052.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk: This has become entirely predictable over the last few weeks, and has just happened to me three times running. I haven't yet raised a bug report, as by the nature of the problem there is no logfile to submit. If I try twice in the same NetSurf session to do a save page location as text, on the second attempt as soon as I slide the pointer off the arrow in the text sub-menu, NetSurf just vanishes in an invisible puff of smoke. Because it hasn't shut down properly, there's nothing relevant in the logfile. Hmm. It doesn't here. If you load NetSurf, go to a page, try that action twice, does it do it? Or do you need to have been browsing around first? Just re-run NetSurf with my home page www.bbc.co.uk and have tried two saves of page location before doing anything else, and NetSurf vanished again. Should I just submit a logfile anyway? Sorry, should have said bug report, and will do that. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ ____ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk
Re: Problem with Save page location as text.
On 11 Oct, Dr Peter Young wrote in message 9c238b2052.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk: On 11 Oct 2011 Steve Fryatt li...@stevefryatt.org.uk wrote: Hmm. It doesn't here. If you load NetSurf, go to a page, try that action twice, does it do it? Or do you need to have been browsing around first? Just re-run NetSurf with my home page www.bbc.co.uk and have tried two saves of page location before doing anything else, and NetSurf vanished again. It works fine here, for some reason. Final straw clutch: where on the page are you clicking Menu, and does that make any difference? Should I just submit a logfile anyway? Sorry, should have said bug report, and will do that. OK, thanks; I'll look at the logfile. IIRC, this (or a similar problem) has been reported before, and I couldn't reproduce it then either. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
Re: Problem with Save page location as text.
On 11 Oct 2011 cj ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk wrote: In article 9c238b2052.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Dr Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote: Just re-run NetSurf with my home page www.bbc.co.uk and have tried two saves of page location before doing anything else, and NetSurf vanished again. I have tried and failed to reproduce this using this and other site. I am on r13025 and RISC OS 5.16 (Iyonix). See my reply to Steve. It seems as if it's not NetSurf's fault after all. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ ____ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk
Re: Problem with Save page location as text.
On 11 Oct 2011 Steve Fryatt li...@stevefryatt.org.uk wrote: On 11 Oct, Dr Peter Young wrote in message 9c238b2052.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk: On 11 Oct 2011 Steve Fryatt li...@stevefryatt.org.uk wrote: Hmm. It doesn't here. If you load NetSurf, go to a page, try that action twice, does it do it? Or do you need to have been browsing around first? Just re-run NetSurf with my home page www.bbc.co.uk and have tried two saves of page location before doing anything else, and NetSurf vanished again. It works fine here, for some reason. Final straw clutch: where on the page are you clicking Menu, and does that make any difference? Doesn't seem to, but of course I can't try all the possibilities. Should I just submit a logfile anyway? Sorry, should have said bug report, and will do that. OK, thanks; I'll look at the logfile. Sorry, perpetuated typo of mine. There isn't a logfile. IIRC, this (or a similar problem) has been reported before, and I couldn't reproduce it then either. And Chris has reported this too. Aha! Just had a rush of blood to the brain cell: I've been doing the saves in today's directory of Transient, which is fairly deep in the directory hierarchy. I've tried now saving to a temporary directory in the root, and can save as many times as I like. As NetSurf obviously isn't at fault here, is it Transient or the filer that is causing the problem? In any case, the bug report can be closed, I think. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ ____ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk
Re: Problem with Save page location as text.
In article 47289a2052.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Dr Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote: I've been doing the saves in today's directory of Transient, which is fairly deep in the directory hierarchy. I've tried now saving to a temporary directory in the root, and can save as many times as I like. I actually did all the saving into a few dirs of Transient as well, when all was fine. However, the path would have been fairly short - e.g. ADFS::Dorset1.$.Transient.Default.110919 -- Chris Johnson
Re: Problem with Save page location as text.
On 11 Oct 2011 cj ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk wrote: In article 47289a2052.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Dr Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote: I've been doing the saves in today's directory of Transient, which is fairly deep in the directory hierarchy. I've tried now saving to a temporary directory in the root, and can save as many times as I like. I actually did all the saving into a few dirs of Transient as well, when all was fine. However, the path would have been fairly short - e.g. ADFS::Dorset1.$.Transient.Default.110919 Now, mine is ADFS::HardDisc4.$.!BOOT.Resources.!Scrap.ScrapDirs.ID4017 6b01.Transient.Default.2011/10/11 which is where Transient put it by default, so it's presumably something in the filer rather than Transient. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ ____ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk
Re: Problem with Save page location as text.
In article 47289a2052.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Dr Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote: I've been doing the saves in today's directory of Transient, which is fairly deep in the directory hierarchy. I've tried now saving to a temporary directory in the root, and can save as many times as I like. As NetSurf obviously isn't at fault here, is it Transient or the filer that is causing the problem? In any case, the bug report can be closed, I think. I guess the test is to continually add a dir recursively inside your temporary directory, and see at what point the save fails - then try a save from a different app. It could still be a problem in NetSurf when it has a long filepath to deal with. The other test is to use short and long names for the directories to see if it is simply the length of path, or the depth of the path. Actually I have just tried a test and Netsurf does go into a black hole when the path is long. It does not need to be the same save. Eg save the location text into a deep directory. Goes ok. Open another save dialogue, e.g. save full page - NS exits immediately the save as dialogue opens. There may be a problem with memory buffering for the file names. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Problem with Save page location as text.
... and further tests show that other apps are happy saving to an even greater depth than I tried with Netsurf, so the problem appears to be Netsurf related. -- Chris Johnson
Re: Problem with Save page location as text.
On 11 Oct 2011 cj ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk wrote: In article 47289a2052.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk, Dr Peter Young pnyo...@ormail.co.uk wrote: I've been doing the saves in today's directory of Transient, which is fairly deep in the directory hierarchy. I've tried now saving to a temporary directory in the root, and can save as many times as I like. As NetSurf obviously isn't at fault here, is it Transient or the filer that is causing the problem? In any case, the bug report can be closed, I think. I guess the test is to continually add a dir recursively inside your temporary directory, and see at what point the save fails - then try a save from a different app. It could still be a problem in NetSurf when it has a long filepath to deal with. The other test is to use short and long names for the directories to see if it is simply the length of path, or the depth of the path. I'm glad you've done that experiment, as I'm constitutionally lazy. Actually I have just tried a test and Netsurf does go into a black hole when the path is long. It does not need to be the same save. Eg save the location text into a deep directory. Goes ok. Open another save dialogue, e.g. save full page - NS exits immediately the save as dialogue opens. There may be a problem with memory buffering for the file names. Interesting, but going beyond my knowledge, I'm afraid. One for the developers, if it may in fact be a NetSurf bug? With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ ____ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk
Re: Problem with Save page location as text.
On 11 Oct, Dr Peter Young wrote in message b9efa72052.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk: On 11 Oct 2011 cj ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk wrote: ... and further tests show that other apps are happy saving to an even greater depth than I tried with Netsurf, so the problem appears to be Netsurf related. Well identified; thanks. Ick. If I've understood the code correctly, I /think/ r13037 should sort things. Let me know if it doesn't. I'm sure I've seen postings about another app, I can't remember which, which has or had problems with deeply-nested directories. Things go wonky generally at about 230-ish characters. This wasn't that problem. -- Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
Re: Problem with Save page location as text.
On 11 Oct 2011 Steve Fryatt li...@stevefryatt.org.uk wrote: On 11 Oct, Dr Peter Young wrote in message b9efa72052.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk: On 11 Oct 2011 cj ch...@chris-johnson.org.uk wrote: ... and further tests show that other apps are happy saving to an even greater depth than I tried with Netsurf, so the problem appears to be Netsurf related. Well identified; thanks. Ick. If I've understood the code correctly, I /think/ r13037 should sort things. Let me know if it doesn't. That build doesn't seem to have come though the system yet, but I'll look again in the morning. Thanks. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ ____ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk
