Re: Page layout

2017-10-26 Thread Richard Torrens (lists) 
In article <480a239156@abbeypress.net>,
   Jim Nagel  wrote:
> Richard Torrens (lists) wrote on 26 Oct:
> > ... screen shot at http://photos.torrens.org/wv.jpeg
> > NetSurf is correctly using the  option but these don't
> > work properly. This on ARMX6 with  NS 3.7 (Dev CI #4207)

> Here on #4204 I can't get the Contacts page that you show in the 
> screenshot.  You must have got a dropdown from the "About us" button 
> (or somewhere) that I don't get here.

I had previously done a Qwant site search 
 contact site:watervoles.com

https://lite.qwant.com/?q=contact+site%3Awatervoles.com=web
and must have picked this page out of the history.

BTW: Qwant is a French search engine and is well worth investigating. I
have it set as Home page.

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Re: Page layout

2017-10-26 Thread Tim Hill 
In article <480a239156@abbeypress.net>, Jim Nagel
 wrote:
> Richard Torrens (lists) wrote on 26 Oct:
> > ... screen shot at http://photos.torrens.org/wv.jpeg NetSurf is
> > correctly using the  option but these don't work
> > properly. This on ARMX6 with  NS 3.7 (Dev CI #4207)

> Here on #4204 I can't get the Contacts page that you show in the
> screenshot.  You must have got a dropdown from the "About us" button
> (or somewhere) that I don't get here.

A bit behind the curve version-wise I can reach that page on #4085 with
Javascript off and by selecting 'contact us' from the 'menu' which
overlays the content. Ditto the other links.

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Re: Page layout

2017-10-26 Thread Richard Torrens (lists) 
In article ,
   Peter Young  wrote:
> >> http://watervoles.com

[Snip]

> Try it with Disable JavaScript unticked in Choices > Content. Here, 
> same computer and NS Dev CI 4234 it looks to me as it should do.
> http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk/wv.jpg

> Several of the tabs at the top don't work, though.

Indeed it displays properly with j/s on.

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Re: Page layout

2017-10-26 Thread Peter Young 
On 26 Oct 2017  Jim Nagel  wrote:

> Richard Torrens (lists) wrote on 26 Oct:
>> ... screen shot at http://photos.torrens.org/wv.jpeg
>> NetSurf is correctly using the  option but these don't
>> work properly. This on ARMX6 with  NS 3.7 (Dev CI #4207)

> Here on #4204 I can't get the Contacts page that you show in the
> screenshot.  You must have got a dropdown from the "About us" button
> (or somewhere) that I don't get here.

??? There isn't a contacts button on the screenshot!

Best wishes,

Peter.

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Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52, England
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
pnyo...@ormail.co.uk

Re: Page layout

2017-10-26 Thread Jim Nagel 
Richard Torrens (lists) wrote on 26 Oct:
> ... screen shot at http://photos.torrens.org/wv.jpeg
> NetSurf is correctly using the  option but these don't
> work properly. This on ARMX6 with  NS 3.7 (Dev CI #4207)

Here on #4204 I can't get the Contacts page that you show in the 
screenshot.  You must have got a dropdown from the "About us" button 
(or somewhere) that I don't get here.


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Re: Page layout

2017-10-26 Thread Peter Young 
On 26 Oct 2017  "Richard Torrens (lists)"  wrote:

> In article <56909be808li...@torrens.org>,
>Richard Torrens (lists)  wrote:
>> I suspect the developers don't need more examples of pages that don't
>> layout properly? But in case they do, try

>> http://watervoles.com

> The respnses here make me think others are not seeing the same thing, so
> there is a screen shot at
> http://photos.torrens.org/wv.jpeg

> NetSurf is correctly using the  option but these don't work
> properly.

> This on ARMX6 with  NS 3.7 (Dev CI #4207)

Try it with Disable JavaScript unticked in Choices > Content. Here, 
same computer and NS Dev CI 4234 it looks to me as it should do.
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk/wv.jpg

Several of the tabs at the top don't work, though.

Best wishes,

Peter.

-- 
Peter Young (zfc Pt) and family
Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52, England
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
pnyo...@ormail.co.uk

Re: Page layout

2017-10-26 Thread Tim Hill 
In article <56911bda0fli...@torrens.org>, Richard Torrens (lists)
 wrote:
> In article <56909be808li...@torrens.org>, Richard Torrens (lists)
> wrote:
> > I suspect the developers don't need more examples of pages that don't
> > layout properly? But in case they do, try

> > http://watervoles.com

> The respnses here make me think others are not seeing the same thing,
> so there is a screen shot at http://photos.torrens.org/wv.jpeg

> NetSurf is correctly using the  option but these don't
> work properly.

Yes, with Javascript 'off' this is true. The reason why that list of
links has appeared in such a daft position is simply because the
 has no style or class associated with it so it appears in
the current position, top-left of the current container. Its links do at
least work.

Perhaps this alteration by the site's author would help:


('fixed' places things relative to window instead of being in the current
container)

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Tim Hill

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Re: Page layout

2017-10-26 Thread Tim Hill 
In article <569104a7acbrian.jord...@btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan
 wrote:
> In article <5690f953cd...@timil.com>, Tim Hill  wrote:

> [Snip]

> > It's great example of a page which uses Javascript to no advantage
> > but even if hover-and-drop menus are implemented with only CSS they
> > don't work in NetSurf either.  :-(

> Yeah. I spent ages some time back trying to get to the bottom of why I
> couldn't get some hover-and-drop CSS code to work. The reason was that
> I was using RISC OS to develop sites, mainly because of StrongED and
> the command line access to HTML Tidy, but then I was testing the code
> on Netsurf. I continue to use RISC OS to write web stuff but these days
> always test it in Chrome on the other side.

As do I, Brian. Though without HTMLtidy as these days most pages involve
being constructed with PHP. I still try to make things NetSurf usable but
it is falling behind wrt what can be achieved on even the cheapest phone
or tablet. Corners, shadows, hover, to name but a few.

Thankfully, it's easy to have a NetSurf only CSS file which provides
alternatives to flex containers and suchlike but this often needs more
than HTML in order to read the browser string and take the appropriate
action.

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Tim Hill

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Re: Page layout

2017-10-26 Thread Richard Torrens (lists) 
In article <56909be808li...@torrens.org>,
   Richard Torrens (lists)  wrote:
> I suspect the developers don't need more examples of pages that don't
> layout properly? But in case they do, try

> http://watervoles.com

The respnses here make me think others are not seeing the same thing, so
there is a screen shot at
http://photos.torrens.org/wv.jpeg

NetSurf is correctly using the  option but these don't work
properly.

This on ARMX6 with  NS 3.7 (Dev CI #4207)

-- 
Richard Torrens.
http://www.Torrens.org for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats
and more!

Re: Page layout

2017-10-26 Thread Brian Jordan 
In article <5690f953cd...@timil.com>,
   Tim Hill  wrote:

[Snip]

> It's great example of a page which uses Javascript to no advantage but
> even if hover-and-drop menus are implemented with only CSS they don't
> work in NetSurf either.  :-(

Yeah. I spent ages some time back trying to get to the bottom of why I
couldn't get some hover-and-drop CSS code to work. The reason was that I
was using RISC OS to develop sites, mainly because of StrongED and the
command line access to HTML Tidy, but then I was testing the code on
Netsurf. I continue to use RISC OS to write web stuff but these days
always test it in Chrome on the other side.

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RISC OS 6.20
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Re: Page layout

2017-10-26 Thread Tim Hill 
In article <8bd1b19056@abbeypress.net>, Jim Nagel
 wrote:
> Richard Torrens (lists) wrote on 25 Oct:
> > I suspect the developers don't need more examples of pages that don't
> > lay out properly? But in case they do, try http://watervoles.com

> Home page and some others look OK here (Netsurf #4204), but some of
> the menu dropdowns require Javascript.

It's great example of a page which uses Javascript to no advantage but
even if hover-and-drop menus are implemented with only CSS they don't
work in NetSurf either.  :-(

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