Re: Malformed site (partly OT).
In message <44f5489854.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk> Peter Young wrote: >I maintain the website of the local branch of the Multiple Sclerosis >Society, at www.mssociety.org.uk/cheltenham (NB I am only responsible >for the content, not the formatting). From time to time the site gets >seriously malformed in RISC OS NetSurf, and then a few days later goes >back to what is should be. Screenshots of this are at >http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk/Chrome.jpg as it should be in Chrome on >Windows and >http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk/NetSurf.jpg as it was yesterday in NetSurf >#2600, but it's back to how it should be this morning! Same NetSurf build. > >I imagine this is the fault of the site rather than of NetSurf, but I >would value comments. (OT) If it is the fault of the site, I have a >feeling that they may be contravening guidance about website >accessibility for disabled people, and I would be interested in >comments about this also. > >Best wishes, > >Peter. > I saved the HTML (using Netsurf #2600 and it apeared to present OK with some very minor problems at the bottom of the page) and ran it through http://validator.w3.org/ It came up with 9 errors. I have not examined these in detail and cannot say whether these are the cause of the problem and I don't have sufficient expertise to comment about the website accessibility for disabled people. However a first step might be to rectify the errors so that the HTML conforms to XHML 1.0 and see whether that helps! Regards, -- Graham Pickles www.whitbymuseum.org.uk Whitby Museum Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional. (M. Kathleen Casey)
Re: Google hanging
In message David Pitt wrote: >David Pitt, on 2 Jun, wrote: > >[snip] > >> I will dig a bit more. > >Bug 2136 now submitted. > > Thanks for submitting the bug. Something I hadn't got round to doing as I thought it might have been just me that was suffering from this effect. Regards, -- Graham Pickles www.whitbymuseum.org.uk Whitby Museum Everybody hates me because I'm so universally liked. (Peter de Vries)
Re: Google hanging
In message <7f015b1154.harr...@blueyonder.co.uk> Harriet Bazley wrote: >Of recent weeks I've increasingly found that Google searches are not >rendering in Netsurf, especially when you try to view a second or >subsequent page of search results: the window just hangs there with the >progress indicator moving instead of the usual almost instant return. >Clicking on the same link again to force another fetch seems to be the >only way to get the results. > >Is anyone else seeing this, or is it my ISP? > >(Netsurf v1932, JS disabled) > Yes, I have seen this for a while now. An annoying little trait. It was suggested that switching off JS might help. It doesn't or at best only marginally. (Currently Netsurf v1930, JS disabled). My ISP is demon but I doubt this is the problem. Regards, -- Graham Pickles www.whitbymuseum.org.uk Whitby Museum A little inaccuracy sometimes saves tons of explanation. (Saki)
Re: Google search problem
In message Tony Moore wrote: >On 30 Apr 2014, Graham Pickles wrote: > >> Recently I have had problem on my laptop using Google to search for >> items. The problem appears to be intermittent. I enter the search >> criteria into Google and Netsurf indicates 'Fetching, Fetching, >> Processing' but goes no further (i.e. message remains and list of >> sites does not appear). > >I've never seen that with Google search, but it can happen with other >sites, if JavaScript is enabled, causing NetSurf to bite off more than >it can chew. > >Try Choices... > Content > tick 'Disable JavaScript' > >Tony > Thanks. That does seem to have made a difference during a limited trial. I will continue to try this over the next few days and hopefully the the problem is solved. Regards, -- Graham Pickles
Google search problem
Recently I have had problem on my laptop using Google to search for items. The problem appears to be intermittent. I enter the search criteria into Google and Netsurf indicates 'Fetching, Fetching, Processing' but goes no further (i.e. message remains and list of sites does not appear). I have tried different search critria and the problem is not even reproducible with the same search criteria but occurs fairly frequently and is theefore highly annoying. Not aware of the problem outside Google (which performs OK with Mozilla Firefox on the Windows XP side of my machine). I am running on VRPC Risc OS4.02 and am currently using Netsurf 3.2 Dev. #1819 though I seem to have had same the problem with other recent development versions and also with the latest main issue of Netsurf 3.1 (28 Apr 2014). Any ideas? I have not, consciously, changed anything that might cause he problem and have not seen anyone else reporting a similar problem so assume it is something to do with my machine setup. Regards, -- Graham Pickles
Re: Site crashes NS
On Thursday 26 December 2013 16:48:40 Richard Torrens wrote: > www.bsbi.org.uk > seems to consistently crash NS (3.1 (Dev CI #1543)) without displaying a > thing. > > Can anyone else get this site? > Likewise with NetSurf #1543, but then out of interest I tried it on Mozilla Firefox and Google Chrome on the 'dark side' and got the message 'This site's security certificate is not trusted' Regards, -- Graham Pickles www.whitbymuseum.org.uk Whitby Museum I have never let my schooling interfere with my education. (Mark Twain)
Re: Failure to follow on-page links
In message <710c4a2453.iyoj...@rickman.argonet.co.uk> John Rickman Iyonix wrote: >Graham Pickles wrote > >> In message >> John Rickman Iyonix wrote: > >>>Richard Porter wrote >>> >>>> On this page and similar ones on the site >>> >>>> http://www.rdtev.de/aktuelles.html >>> >>>> the navigation links on the left work fine but the on-page links in >>>> the lower right hand pane (which scrolls) do not work. The layout is >>>> defined in the css file. There is no javascript. If you click on a >>>> local link NS does a bit of processing but leaves the page unchanged. >>>> There are name tags with both name and ID specified. >>> >>>> I suspect that NS can't cope with local links in a scrolling pane with >>>> absolute positionning in CSS. >>> >>>NS does not do absolute positioning. >>> > >> Yet ? or Never ? > >from the progress page on the NetSurf website :- > > CSS properties > > Title StatusNotes > ... > positionIn progress Fixed position not implemented. > >John > Many thanks. Regards, -- Graham Pickles www.whitbymuseum.org.uk Whitby Museum No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/5633 - Release Date: 02/25/13 21:05:00
Re: Failure to follow on-page links
In message John Rickman Iyonix wrote: >Richard Porter wrote > >> On this page and similar ones on the site > >> http://www.rdtev.de/aktuelles.html > >> the navigation links on the left work fine but the on-page links in >> the lower right hand pane (which scrolls) do not work. The layout is >> defined in the css file. There is no javascript. If you click on a >> local link NS does a bit of processing but leaves the page unchanged. >> There are name tags with both name and ID specified. > >> I suspect that NS can't cope with local links in a scrolling pane with >> absolute positionning in CSS. > >NS does not do absolute positioning. > Yet ? or Never ? Regards, -- Graham Pickles www.whitbymuseum.org.uk Whitby Museum No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/5633 - Release Date: 02/25/13 21:05:00
Re: RISC OS Javascript support
In message <20121213103541.gf15...@kyllikki.org> Vincent Sanders wrote: > Thanks to Rob Kendrik, Chris Gransden and myself we now have NSPR and > Spidermonkey libraries building in the NetSurf toolchain[1]. The CI > system[1] has built the toolchain successfully and a copy of NetSurf > for RISC OS with Javascript enabled[3]. It's good news to hear about the development of RISC OS Javascript support to NetSurf. Keep up the good work and seasonal greetings to all the developers. Regards, -- Graham Pickles www.whitbymuseum.org.uk Whitby Museum No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/5454 - Release Date: 12/12/12 18:35:00
Re: Alignment in table cells
In message <52f84ae078ris...@gotadsl.co.uk> Richard Ashbery wrote: > In article , >Chris Shepheard wrote: >> In message <682ee8f752.harr...@blueyonder.co.uk> >> Harriet Bazley wrote: >>> I'm having weird issues with table cell right-alignment in the second >>> row of a table. >>> Given the following cut-down table >>> >>> >>> left align >>> >>> center align >>> >>> right align >>> >>> >>> left align >>> right align >> Have you tried inserting "SPAN=2" after the TD in the line above? >>> >>> > COLSPAN="2" might work better > Richard Not sure that even this achieves what Harriet was intending judging by the cell widths of 20% 60% (implied) 20% in the first line and 50% 50% in the second line. Rather than explain in detail it is easier (for me) to give my solution in full as it involves more colspans... left align center align right align left align right align Regards, -- Graham Pickles www.whitbymuseum.org.uk Whitby Museum No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/5433 - Release Date: 12/02/12 20:19:00
Re: Development builds available / Boot and System changes
In message <06fb86dd52@nails.abbeypress.net> Jim Nagel wrote: >> In article <890404dd52@nails.abbeypress.net>, >>Jim Nagel wrote: >>> ... manually put real datestamps on the various modules etc once and >>> for all, and on the outer shell of the !Boot and !System supplied, and >>> then instruct the autobuilder not to willynilly change the datestamps. >>> If necessary, could put the skeleton !Boot and !System in a zip within >>> the download zip to protect their datestamps. > Michael Drake wrote on Oct 11: >> The datestamps were set when the files were added into our Git repository. >> They will not change again unless the actual files are updated. > I have now compared the skeleton !Boot files going back a couple of > years (using utilities by Stefan Bellon and Martin Avison). The only > change since Netsurf 2.5 (2010-04-23) is one small file called Aliases > -- which is dated 2011-09-21. > The skeleton !System contains the five modules Iconv, SharedULib, > Tinct and URI. Modules all have internal dates. Four of these are > 2006; the only newer one is Iconv -- which is dated 2011-01-04. > I emailed Rob and Michael a copy of the skeleton !Boot and !System > with meaningful datestamps, plus a little explanatory textfile, all > contained in a zip file where datestamps should be safe from the > zealous Linux autobuilder, we hope. Excellent. -- Graham Pickles www.whitbymuseum.org.uk Whitby Museum No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/5325 - Release Date: 10/11/12 18:34:00
Re: Development builds available / Boot and System changes
In message Jim Nagel wrote: > Michael Drake wrote on 11 Oct: >> We ship NetSurf with what it needs to run. > Rob Kendrick wrote on 11 Oct: >> we use the same build system and infrastructure to produce test >> builds as we do release builds. > Understood. But neither of these points prevent the inclusion of the > simple textfile I suggest. The build system could surely handle this > too -- it's a very small thing. The textfile only needs to say > something like: "Merge the !Boot and !System provided herewith if you > haven't done so since 2009-05-24." Or even just: "Latest updates: > !Boot 2009-07-25, !System 2012-01-01" > I'm making up these dates for the sake of example. The point is that > we loyal users out here, who try to do these things properly and keep > up with the test builds to do our bit to help you with the much > appreciated Netsurf project, do not know the real dates. The above (textfile) seems to be a very straight forward and pragmatic request, easy to implement and would be of assistance to many of us Regards, -- Graham Pickles www.whitbymuseum.org.uk Whitby Museum No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/5323 - Release Date: 10/10/12 18:37:00
Re: Faulty page or faulty browser?
In message <520ab75f02sjcl...@ormail.co.uk> Steve Clark wrote: > In article <520a9553d0stuartli...@orpheusinternet.co.uk>, >lists wrote: >> The following appears blank but "view Source" shows content >> http://www.orpheusweb.co.uk/pirate.king/index.html > It's something to do with the two Base Href lines at the beginning. > If you delete them it works. I agree. It certainly appears blank on NetSurf but works on both IE and Mozilla Firefox on the PC side of my RiscBook. Brief inspection of the content suggests a possible reason at the top of the html. There are 2 statements each beginning (not as far as I know --!> terminates comment. I wonder whether the second ! is upsetting things. It appears that the whole of the remainder of the text might be being treated as part of the comment by NetSurf. Certainly viewing text in StrongED HTML mode indicates this. A little experimentation is called for when I have some time to spare. Regards, -- Graham Pickles www.whitbymuseum.org.uk Whitby Museum
Re: HTML Drop-down menu on Netsurf
In message <51ec096404...@timil.com> Tim Hill wrote: > In article , Graham Pickles > wrote: >> It does not operate satisfactorily in Netsurf (r12493 - 19 Jun 2011) >> being run on my RiscBook (Risc OS 4.02). The menus do not drop down. >> Both the XHTML and CSS validates on W3C. > But, and this is purely a guess based on the CSS Menu sheet I found > somewhere, but is it that NetSurf CSS doesn't implement what you need > yet: e.g., does it 'do' 'hover' yet or is it that 'content' isn't > implemented at all? In the progress documentation, 'Selectors' are > 'Nearly done', 'content' is 'Not started'. > http://www.netsurf-browser.org/documentation/progress > I think that if you have a look at the CSS of your menu's stylesheet > against the list here, you may see what functionality is missing and why. Thank you for the tip and the URL. You are of course correct - hover and various other bits and pieces have not yet been fully implemented. One day... Regards, -- Graham Pickles www.whitbymuseum.org.uk Whitby Museum
Re: HTML Drop-down menu on Netsurf
In message <3f01e750248.4c109...@smtp.ntlworld.com> Chris Young wrote: > On Fri, 01 Jul 2011 16:44:53 +0100, Tim Hill wrote: >> I guess we will need to write a pop-out or drop-down menus in the bits of >> CSS that NetSurf does understand but I suspect it isn't possible and it >> needs the bits it doesn't do (yet). > It won't work without dynamic layout changes, currently scheduled for > NetSurf 4.0. OK, thanks for the info. It sounds as though it is still a little way off. At last it puts my mind to rest that it's not something I've done in my amateur's attempt to write webpages :-) Netsurf is my Risc OS browser of choice and it's nice to see it being positively developed all the time. Regards, -- Graham Pickles www.whitbymuseum.org.uk Whitby Museum
HTML Drop-down menu on Netsurf
Not sure whether this is a request, a bug, or even what I am trying to do is illegitimate! I would welcome any comments from anyone in the mailing list. My website http://www.whitbymuseum.org.uk written in XHTML has both a drop down menu along the top and a slide-out menu down the side. The drop down menu is implemented completely in HTML/CSS and works satisfactorily on IE & Firefox. It does not operate satisfactorily in Netsurf (r12493 - 19 Jun 2011) being run on my RiscBook (Risc OS 4.02). The menus do not drop down. Both the XHTML and CSS validates on W3C. I would be interested to know the reason as I wish to develop this type of menu again and would like to develop work using Risc OS with Netsurf as my browser. The second (slide-out) menu requires javascript and I know that currently javascript is not available in Netsurf so it is therefore no surprise that this section doesn't work. Even if the javascript 'menu' and all references is removed from the webpage this does not allow the drop-down menu to work as anticipated (on Netsurf that is). Regards, -- Graham Pickles www.whitbymuseum.org.uk Whitby Museum
