Re: NetSurf Developer workshop
On 10 Jan 2014 as I do recall, Tim Hill wrote: In article 20140106220844.gl6...@kyllikki.org, Vincent Sanders vi...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: The write up of our recent developer weekend is now available [1] for those interested in what we achived. [1] http://vincentsanders.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/netsurf-developer-workshop-redux.html It is great to read that you are all obviously so committed to the project. Thank you all. It's worth reading the report, if only to chuckle at the final sentence! ;-) I like the 'Barely Matters' category of the To Do list! (While it's reassuring to note that there was nothing actually on it) -- Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie == Positive: Mistaken at the top of one's voice.
Re: NetSurf Developer workshop
In article 20140106220844.gl6...@kyllikki.org, Vincent Sanders vi...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: The write up of our recent developer weekend is now available [1] for those interested in what we achived. [1] http://vincentsanders.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/netsurf-developer-workshop-redux.html It is great to read that you are all obviously so committed to the project. Thank you all. It's worth reading the report, if only to chuckle at the final sentence! ;-)
NetSurf Developer workshop
The write up of our recent developer weekend is now available [1] for those interested in what we achived. [1] http://vincentsanders.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/netsurf-developer-workshop-redux.html -- Regards Vincent
Re: NetSurf Developer Workshop
In article out-509ae391.md-1.4.17.chris.yo...@unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk, Chris Young chris.yo...@unsatisfactorysoftware.co.uk wrote: Sounds like the problem I was getting, which this patch fixes: http://git.netsurf-browser.org/netsurf.git/patch/?id=24c43ea6a210cd1b98e911d989de400ef343e7bb NetSurf won't build with 1.70 (yet), and me and Ole can't get 1.80 to work on big-endian hosts, but if that is an endian problem it's not going to be relevant for RISC OS/ARM. Beyond 1.80 you're into C++ and NSPR territory, whch adds porting complexity and increasingly bloaty executables. That seems to have done the trick with 1.80. I can see from the log file that NetSurf is parsing the javascript. A lot of sites make NetSurf crash with a JS_Assert() though. Promising nonetheless. Chris.
Re: NetSurf Developer Workshop
In article e23da6ea52.harr...@blueyonder.co.uk, Harriet Bazley li...@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk wrote: On 5 Nov 2012 as I do recall, Vincent Sanders wrote: We held our latest developer workshop this weekend, I have written about it on my blog[1] for those who might be interested in what we got up to. [1]http://vincentsanders.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/another-netsurf-developer-workshop.html Ninety-six man-hours of work - impressive! (And I like/approve of the way that the goals included *removing* a large amount of code) Er! Being PC, Harriet, shouldn't that be person hours??? Yours, very tongue in cheek...!!! -- Chris
Re: NetSurf Developer Workshop
On Wed, Nov 07, 2012 at 07:07:00PM +, george greenfield wrote: Re javascript and NetSurf, could the 'jsoff' component in the test-build titles be meaningful, I wonder ;-) Indeed. Until and unless we can get libmozjs ported to RISC OS, it'll be jsoff there all the time :-( D. -- Daniel Silverstone http://www.netsurf-browser.org/ PGP mail accepted and encouraged.Key Id: 3CCE BABE 206C 3B69
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In article 20121107215800.GB2863@somnambulist.local, Daniel Silverstone dsilv...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: On Wed, Nov 07, 2012 at 07:07:00PM +, george greenfield wrote: Re javascript and NetSurf, could the 'jsoff' component in the test-build titles be meaningful, I wonder ;-) Indeed. Until and unless we can get libmozjs ported to RISC OS, it'll be jsoff there all the time :-( D. I got 1.8 and 1.7 to build for RISC OS. The javascript shell runs ok but !NetSurf crashes as soon as it hits some javascript. That's as far as I got. Chris.
Re: NetSurf Developer Workshop
On Wed, 07 Nov 2012 22:16:41 + (GMT), Chris Gransden wrote: In article 20121107215800.GB2863@somnambulist.local, Daniel Silverstone dsilv...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: Until and unless we can get libmozjs ported to RISC OS, it'll be jsoff there all the time :-( I got 1.8 and 1.7 to build for RISC OS. The javascript shell runs ok but !NetSurf crashes as soon as it hits some javascript. That's as far as I got. Sounds like the problem I was getting, which this patch fixes: http://git.netsurf-browser.org/netsurf.git/patch/?id=24c43ea6a210cd1b98e911d989de400ef343e7bb NetSurf won't build with 1.70 (yet), and me and Ole can't get 1.80 to work on big-endian hosts, but if that is an endian problem it's not going to be relevant for RISC OS/ARM. Beyond 1.80 you're into C++ and NSPR territory, whch adds porting complexity and increasingly bloaty executables. Chris
Re: NetSurf Developer Workshop
On Wed, 2012-11-07 at 22:16 +, Chris Gransden wrote: In article 20121107215800.GB2863@somnambulist.local, Daniel Silverstone dsilv...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: On Wed, Nov 07, 2012 at 07:07:00PM +, george greenfield wrote: Re javascript and NetSurf, could the 'jsoff' component in the test-build titles be meaningful, I wonder ;-) Indeed. Until and unless we can get libmozjs ported to RISC OS, it'll be jsoff there all the time :-( D. I got 1.8 and 1.7 to build for RISC OS. The javascript shell runs ok but !NetSurf crashes as soon as it hits some javascript. That's as far as I got. Sadly, this doesn't provide enough information to hasten the addition of libmozjs to our SDK or to help us diagnose the issues you're experiencing. J.
Re: NetSurf Developer Workshop
On Wed, Nov 07, 2012 at 10:16:41PM +, Chris Gransden wrote: In article 20121107215800.GB2863@somnambulist.local, Re javascript and NetSurf, could the 'jsoff' component in the test-build titles be meaningful, I wonder ;-) Indeed. Until and unless we can get libmozjs ported to RISC OS, it'll be jsoff there all the time :-( I got 1.8 and 1.7 to build for RISC OS. The javascript shell runs ok but !NetSurf crashes as soon as it hits some javascript. That's as far as I got. We're targetting 1.8.5 I'm afraid. We've gotten NSPR building but we're stuck at sorting out mozjs because it gets confused between the host and the target NSPR installs. D. -- Daniel Silverstone http://www.netsurf-browser.org/ PGP mail accepted and encouraged.Key Id: 3CCE BABE 206C 3B69
Re: NetSurf Developer Workshop
In article 20121107230822.GC2863@somnambulist.local, Daniel Silverstone dsilv...@netsurf-browser.org wrote: We're targetting 1.8.5 I'm afraid. We've gotten NSPR building but we're stuck at sorting out mozjs because it gets confused between the host and the target NSPR installs. Is that with or without the jit? I got 1.8.5 to build with the jit turned on but the javascript shell doesn't run. I couldn't work out how to get it to build with the jit turned off. Chris
Re: NetSurf Developer Workshop
The following bytes were arranged on 5 Nov 2012 by Rob Kendrick : It should be noted that if we do manage to get a RISC OS build of NetSurf 3.0 with JavaScript support (at the moment we do not have the actual interpreter built for RISC OS, but do have its dependancies built), it will not work on sites that do dynamic layout changes. Basically, it will only be useful in the first instance for the type of JavaScripts that only look but don't touch the document, and for document.write()-type generation. I have been wondering about that. I saw the JavaScript work going into the browser, but thought, Surely they don't have a layout engine that can cope yet? Most of the JS I've ever encountered is there for no better purpose than producing flashy page transitions (a classic example of style over substance, and the bane of the web), so presumably NetSurf isn't much use at those yet. I do hope it at least does something about the perennial curse of Warning: button could not be activated, though. Presumably mostly for the benefit of these people: http://securityreactions.tumblr.com/post/33891938791/but-we-sanitize-input-with-javascript -- __^__ / _ _ \ It is written that Geeks shall inherit the Earth. ( ( |_| ) ) \_ _/ === Martin Bazley ==
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Most of the JS I've ever encountered ... IME JS is often used to hide e-mail addresses from web crawlers looking for spam fodder. Currently such addresses (and sometimes the associated names) are invisible. Tt will be a great improvement being able to see them. -- John Harrison Website http://jaharrison.me.uk
Re: NetSurf Developer Workshop
On 5 Nov 2012 as I do recall, Vincent Sanders wrote: We held our latest developer workshop this weekend, I have written about it on my blog[1] for those who might be interested in what we got up to. [1]http://vincentsanders.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/another-netsurf-developer-workshop.html Ninety-six man-hours of work - impressive! (And I like/approve of the way that the goals included *removing* a large amount of code) -- Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie == I'm a lumberjack and I'm OK...
NetSurf Developer Workshop
We held our latest developer workshop this weekend, I have written about it on my blog[1] for those who might be interested in what we got up to. [1]http://vincentsanders.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/another-netsurf-developer-workshop.html -- Regards Vincent http://www.kyllikki.org/
Re: NetSurf Developer Workshop
Massive thanks are due to all involved. I look forward to the next stable release and the javascript implementation. RISC OS Netsurf user but this is from Opera on my PC! Dr John Hurley Research, Project Development and Publications for Education On Mon, 5 November, 2012 2:01 pm, Vincent Sanders wrote: We held our latest developer workshop this weekend, I have written about it on my blog[1] for those who might be interested in what we got up to. [1]http://vincentsanders.blogspot.co.uk/2012/11/another-netsurf-developer-workshop.html -- Regards Vincent http://www.kyllikki.org/
Re: NetSurf Developer Workshop
On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 02:50:50PM -, Learning Partners wrote: Massive thanks are due to all involved. I look forward to the next stable release and the javascript implementation. It should be noted that if we do manage to get a RISC OS build of NetSurf 3.0 with JavaScript support (at the moment we do not have the actual interpreter built for RISC OS, but do have its dependancies built), it will not work on sites that do dynamic layout changes. Basically, it will only be useful in the first instance for the type of JavaScripts that only look but don't touch the document, and for document.write()-type generation. Full dynamic layout requires a significant reworking of our layout code to be able to cope with the document changing, and this is scheduled for a future version of NetSurf beyond 3.0. B.
Re: NetSurf Developer Workshop
In message 65188.62.172.88.217.1352127050.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.c o.uk Learning Partners lp.bo...@argonet.co.uk wrote: Massive thanks are due to all involved. I look forward to the next stable release and the javascript implementation. Seconded, with feeling! I hadn't expected to see /any/ form of javascript on NetSurf in the medium term, let alone before Christmas (and yes, I do appreciate it is not a complete implementation), so am looking forward eagerly to what will be a significant step forward for both browser and platform. I'm using 3.0 Dev. CI #590 at the moment and already it is a considerable advance on 2.9 - the rate of progress is impressive and a credit to the developers. Cheers George -- george greenfield
Re: NetSurf Developer Workshop
On 05/11/2012 14:54, Rob Kendrick wrote: On Mon, Nov 05, 2012 at 02:50:50PM -, Learning Partners wrote: Massive thanks are due to all involved. I look forward to the next stable release and the javascript implementation. It should be noted that if we do manage to get a RISC OS build of NetSurf 3.0 with JavaScript support (at the moment we do not have the actual interpreter built for RISC OS, but do have its dependancies built), it will not work on sites that do dynamic layout changes. Basically, it will only be useful in the first instance for the type of JavaScripts that only look but don't touch the document, and for document.write()-type generation. Full dynamic layout requires a significant reworking of our layout code to be able to cope with the document changing, and this is scheduled for a future version of NetSurf beyond 3.0. . . . but it will degrade gracefully, I hope ;) Fantastic news. For me, this and other developments might presage a return to RISCOS as a day-to-day platform in 2013. -- _ _ |_) _ _, _ _ | ' _ _ |_ :_ _ : \(_)(_)(-'| |__| (_||_)|_) dipLA / garden design with RISC OS ._) / - no Gates, no barriers
Re: NetSurf Developer Workshop
On 5 Nov 2012, george greenfield george.greenfi...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: In message 65188.62.172.88.217.1352127050.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.c o.uk Learning Partners lp.bo...@argonet.co.uk wrote: Massive thanks are due to all involved. I look forward to the next stable release and the javascript implementation. Seconded, with feeling! I hadn't expected to see /any/ form of javascript on NetSurf in the medium term, let alone before Christmas (and yes, I do appreciate it is not a complete implementation), so am looking forward eagerly to what will be a significant step forward for both browser and platform. I'm using 3.0 Dev. CI #590 at the moment and already it is a considerable advance on 2.9 - the rate of progress is impressive and a credit to the developers. Agreed. Many thanks indeed. Tony
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In article ac2ef3e952.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk, Tony Moore old_coas...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On 5 Nov 2012, george greenfield george.greenfi...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: In message 65188.62.172.88.217.1352127050.squirrel@email.orpheusnet.c o.uk Learning Partners lp.bo...@argonet.co.uk wrote: Massive thanks are due to all involved. I look forward to the next stable release and the javascript implementation. Seconded, with feeling! I hadn't expected to see /any/ form of javascript on NetSurf in the medium term, let alone before Christmas (and yes, I do appreciate it is not a complete implementation), so am looking forward eagerly to what will be a significant step forward for both browser and platform. I'm using 3.0 Dev. CI #590 at the moment and already it is a considerable advance on 2.9 - the rate of progress is impressive and a credit to the developers. Agreed. Many thanks indeed. Ditto. Excellent work. Wishing you all success. -- Chris
