Re: NetSurf and Unicode fonts.
On 2 Aug 2011 John Williams wrote: > In article <7c3a80fc51.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young > wrote: >> I'll contact you off-list (I think this subject isn't of general >> interest here) when I've done some more struggling, but that may not be >> real soon now. Too much else to do. > Perhaps when you do sort it you could summarise here - for the benefit of > future Googlers or archive-searchers if nothing else! Problem now solved, with many thanks to Tony's off-list help. It seems that there was something wrong with my original Cyberbit font, as converting the one from the URL given by Tony now gives me Unicode fonts in NetSurf in both RISC OS 5.16 and in VRPC with RISC OS 4.02. It's odd that 5.16 liked the original font, but 4.02 didn't, though, but there's yet another thing that I just don't understand. Many thanks to all, and to Tony in particular. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ ____ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk
Re: NetSurf and Unicode fonts.
On 2 Aug 2011 John Williams wrote: > In article <7c3a80fc51.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young > wrote: >> I'll contact you off-list (I think this subject isn't of general >> interest here) when I've done some more struggling, but that may not be >> real soon now. Too much else to do. > Perhaps when you do sort it you could summarise here - for the benefit of > future Googlers or archive-searchers if nothing else! In principle, yes, if anyone else here is interested. I've had to give up the experiments for a while, as I was getting exasperated and was worried that I would do something silly, which I then did, see below. I have had two conversions of Cyberbit, one of which trips up NetSurf on this Iyo, and the other of which trips it up on VRPC! As it takes at least 25 minutes to convert each version (and in exasperation I deleted the second conversion), you can see why I'm a bit reluctant to do more till I have a bit more time; not tomorrow, probably. Alternatively, I wonder if anyone, probably someone more knowledgeable than me, would like to try NetSurf on VRPC with my Abyssinica font together with Cyberbit, to see if the same sort of thing happens? Abyssinica zipped is a mere 620K. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ ____ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk
Re: NetSurf and Unicode fonts.
In article <7c3a80fc51.pnyo...@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Dr Peter Young wrote: > I'll contact you off-list (I think this subject isn't of general > interest here) when I've done some more struggling, but that may not be > real soon now. Too much else to do. Perhaps when you do sort it you could summarise here - for the benefit of future Googlers or archive-searchers if nothing else! John
Re: NetSurf and Unicode fonts.
On 2 Aug 2011 Tony Moore wrote: > On 2 Aug 2011, Dr Peter Young wrote: > [snip] >> Curiouser and curiouser! I've downloaded that Cyberbit, and have >> converted it. I get the same size as I had before for the extracted >> font (22,373,954 bytes) different from Tony's. This is with TTF2f 0.03 >> (15 August 2005); is there a more recent version, I wonder? > Yes, 0.04 (05-Mar-2011) http://jmb.drobe.co.uk/ttf2f-004.zip Thanks, Tony, but I'm still struggling. I'll contact you off-list (I think this subject isn't of general interest here) when I've done some more struggling, but that may not be real soon now. Too much else to do. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ ____ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk
Re: NetSurf and Unicode fonts.
On 2 Aug 2011, Dr Peter Young wrote: [snip] > Curiouser and curiouser! I've downloaded that Cyberbit, and have > converted it. I get the same size as I had before for the extracted > font (22,373,954 bytes) different from Tony's. This is with TTF2f 0.03 > (15 August 2005); is there a more recent version, I wonder? Yes, 0.04 (05-Mar-2011) http://jmb.drobe.co.uk/ttf2f-004.zip Tony
Re: NetSurf and Unicode fonts.
On 1 Aug 2011 Tony Moore wrote: > On 1 Aug 2011, Dr Peter Young wrote: >> On 1 Aug 2011 Tony Moore wrote: >>> On 1 Aug 2011, Dr Peter Young wrote: > [snip] Any idea why this NetSurf doesn't like Cyberbit? Is it a memory problem? (Cyberbit weighs in at, IIRC, 21M). >> >>> 24,375,092 bits (23.8MB). Perhaps your copy has not converted >>> correctly. > Sorry, I should have written bytes. >> Now that's interesting. My two copies of Cyberbit amount to 22,373,976 >> bytes, but the copy on the Iyo works, as far as I can tell, perfectly. >> Maybe there's more than one version of the font? > Could be, I wouldn't know. Here, the link in the Iconbar article leads > to a blank page, so I downloaded the Bitstream Cyberbit font at > http://aol-4.vo.llnwd.net/pub/communicator/extras/fonts/windows/Cyberbit.ZIP > (zip 6,427,108 bytes, unpacked /ttf 13,353,848 bytes) Curiouser and curiouser! I've downloaded that Cyberbit, and have converted it. I get the same size as I had before for the extracted font (22,373,954 bytes) different from Tony's. This is with TTF2f 0.03 (15 August 2005); is there a more recent version, I wonder? The link given in the Iconbar page says "forbidden", and a Google search for the app gives a link which is dead. Giving it all up for the time being, particularly as exiting VRPC has just stiffed the Windows laptop :-( Thanks for the advice, anyway. With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ ____ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk
Re: NetSurf and Unicode fonts.
On 1 Aug 2011, Dr Peter Young wrote: > On 1 Aug 2011 Tony Moore wrote: > > On 1 Aug 2011, Dr Peter Young wrote: [snip] > > > Any idea why this NetSurf doesn't like Cyberbit? Is it a memory > > > problem? (Cyberbit weighs in at, IIRC, 21M). > > > 24,375,092 bits (23.8MB). Perhaps your copy has not converted > > correctly. Sorry, I should have written bytes. > Now that's interesting. My two copies of Cyberbit amount to 22,373,976 > bytes, but the copy on the Iyo works, as far as I can tell, perfectly. > Maybe there's more than one version of the font? Could be, I wouldn't know. Here, the link in the Iconbar article leads to a blank page, so I downloaded the Bitstream Cyberbit font at http://aol-4.vo.llnwd.net/pub/communicator/extras/fonts/windows/Cyberbit.ZIP (zip 6,427,108 bytes, unpacked /ttf 13,353,848 bytes) > When I get a round tuit, I'll maybe download and convert the font > again, and see what I get. Also, I might try running NetSurf with > Cyberbit and without Abyssinica, to see if that makes a difference. > > > RPCemu has only 128MB memory, so that's not likely to be the problem. > > Presumably so, but what about the memory allocated to NetSurf? Just > wondering ... Looking now at the BBC Chinese front page, NetSurf r12505 occupies 4.6MB + 13.4MB in the DA. The machine has 91MB free. No problem, I think. Tony
Re: NetSurf and Unicode fonts.
On 1 Aug 2011 Tony Moore wrote: > On 1 Aug 2011, Dr Peter Young wrote: > [snip] >> Following the posting on The Iconbar about getting Unicode fonts >> working on RISC OS 4.** (1) I tried to get this working on RISC OS >> 4.02 on VRPC SE on a Windows XP SP3 laptop. The advice on the Iconbar >> posting needs a bit of tweaking for 4.02, but I seemed to be initially >> successful. However, when NetSurf ran and looked at the new fonts, it >> fell over when it came to Cyberbit, saying "The Unicode font manager >> has failed to initialise", or words to that effect; as it failed to >> run fully there is no logfile. > The Iconbar advice works here using RPCemu, RO 4.39, Windows XP SP2, and > Cyberbit font (only). If the modules have initialised you should see: >*help fontmanager >==> Help on keyword FontManager >Module is: Font Manager3.66 (02 Jan 2010) >*help romfonts >==> Help on keyword ROMFonts >Module is: ROM Fonts 0.75 (19 Jan 2010) Thanks for the comments. Yes, that's exactly what I've got for the modules in VRPC. >> I then took Cyberbit out of Resources.Fonts, and ran NetSurf again. >> This time it ran fully, and I was able to view pages in Amharic with >> the Abyssinica font. >> >> Any idea why this NetSurf doesn't like Cyberbit? Is it a memory >> problem? (Cyberbit weighs in at, IIRC, 21M). > 24,375,092 bits (23.8MB). Perhaps your copy has not converted correctly. Now that's interesting. My two copies of Cyberbit amount to 22,373,976 bytes, but the copy on the Iyo works, as far as I can tell, perfectly. Maybe there's more than one version of the font? When I get a round tuit, I'll maybe download and convert the font again, and see what I get. Also, I might try running NetSurf with Cyberbit and without Abyssinica, to see if that makes a difference. > RPCemu has only 128MB memory, so that's not likely to be the problem. Presumably so, but what about the memory allocated to NetSurf? Just wondering ... With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ ____ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk
Re: NetSurf and Unicode fonts.
On 1 Aug 2011, Dr Peter Young wrote: [snip] > Following the posting on The Iconbar about getting Unicode fonts > working on RISC OS 4.** (1) I tried to get this working on RISC OS > 4.02 on VRPC SE on a Windows XP SP3 laptop. The advice on the Iconbar > posting needs a bit of tweaking for 4.02, but I seemed to be initially > successful. However, when NetSurf ran and looked at the new fonts, it > fell over when it came to Cyberbit, saying "The Unicode font manager > has failed to initialise", or words to that effect; as it failed to > run fully there is no logfile. The Iconbar advice works here using RPCemu, RO 4.39, Windows XP SP2, and Cyberbit font (only). If the modules have initialised you should see: *help fontmanager ==> Help on keyword FontManager Module is: Font Manager3.66 (02 Jan 2010) *help romfonts ==> Help on keyword ROMFonts Module is: ROM Fonts 0.75 (19 Jan 2010) > I then took Cyberbit out of Resources.Fonts, and ran NetSurf again. > This time it ran fully, and I was able to view pages in Amharic with > the Abyssinica font. > > Any idea why this NetSurf doesn't like Cyberbit? Is it a memory > problem? (Cyberbit weighs in at, IIRC, 21M). 24,375,092 bits (23.8MB). Perhaps your copy has not converted correctly. RPCemu has only 128MB memory, so that's not likely to be the problem. Tony
NetSurf and Unicode fonts.
I don't know whether this is a problem with NetSurf, RISC OS 4 or with VRPC; any advice from you wise people would be appreciated. On this Iyonix I have two Unicode fonts, the usual Cyberbit and an Amharic font called Abyssinica. As expected, these behave perfectly, and I can see a great may exotic characters, as few of which I can actually understand. Following the posting on The Iconbar about getting Unicode fonts working on RISC OS 4.** (1) I tried to get this working on RISC OS 4.02 on VRPC SE on a Windows XP SP3 laptop. The advice on the Iconbar posting needs a bit of tweaking for 4.02, but I seemed to be initially successful. However, when NetSurf ran and looked at the new fonts, it fell over when it came to Cyberbit, saying "The Unicode font manager has failed to initialise", or words to that effect; as it failed to run fully there is no logfile. I then took Cyberbit out of Resources.Fonts, and ran NetSurf again. This time it ran fully, and I was able to view pages in Amharic with the Abyssinica font. Any idea why this NetSurf doesn't like Cyberbit? Is it a memory problem? (Cyberbit weighs in at, IIRC, 21M). It's not a very big deal for me; when I have the Windows machine running I tend to use Windows Firefox, as it's a great deal faster than NetSurf on VRPC; on the Iyonix, NetSurf is a great deal quicker than Windows Firefox, so I tend to go with horses for courses. However, as I'm always curious about how things work, in a very non-technical way, I wonder if there's an easy explanation, and also wonder if I should put in a bug report, if it is indeed a NetSurf problem. (1) http://www.iconbar.com/articles/Getting_Unicode_Working_With_RISC_ OS_4_and_6/index1267.html TIA, With best wishes, Peter. -- Peter \ / zfc Lu \ Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52 and \/ ____ \ England. family / / \ | | |\ | / _ \ http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk / \__/ \_/ | \| \__/ \__ pnyo...@ormail.co.uk
