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Re: Stormy weather?

2023-02-14 Thread Menno Grootveld

I'm really sorry, Felix, but I have to disagree here. In a sense this 
war is not even a proxy war, but a testcase-scenario for an even bigger 
war with China about Taiwan. It is a bloody shame that loads and loads 
of people have to be killed (on both sides) and have to be mutilated, 
tortured and so on (mainly by the Russians) because 'we' have decided 
that Putin is some kind of second Hitler and has to be stopped in his 
tracks before it's too late. To my mind this smacks far too much of a 
bad replay of 'München' and all of that. Let's not fall into that trap.


Yes, the Russian invasion of Ukraine is an international crime and all 
reasonable measures should be taken to counter that. But we should also 
bear in mind that most of these 'special military operations' fail 
sooner or later, not so much because of foreign military help, but 
mainly because of gross incompetence of the inveding/occupying forces 
and succesful resistance at a guerrilla-level by the inhabitants 
(Vietnam, Afghanistan). So yes, we have to give Ukraine all the help we 
can muster, short of military help.



Op 13-02-2023 om 17:39 schreef Felix Stalder:



On 12.02.23 20:50, Brian Holmes wrote:
-- There's a war on in Europe, which is a proxy war that pits NATO 
against Russia, via the fighting force of Ukraine. Definitely check 
out the list of equipment which the US alone has sent: 
https://newleftreview.org/sidecar/posts/sleepwalking-elites 
 (list 
begins in paragraph 3)



I know this is not your point here, but to see this only as a proxy
war really reductive and reeks of a "great powers" analysis in which
some countries/people are just have to accept the fact that they are 
subordinate.


The author of the NLR article comes right out with this world view:


Ten years ago, nobody could have imagined that Europe would risk
such a catastrophe for the sake of the Donbass – a region that few of
us would have been able to locate on a map.


I'm sure most Ukrainians knew already 10 years ago where the Donbas was,
but why bother with their view. Also, the war in the Donbas started
2008, so not to know where the Donbas was in 2012 is really an act
of metropolitan ignorance. It happens, nothing to be proud of.

So, this war is primarily one of Ukrainian survival. I'm sure that many
in the US security apparatus see it also as a proxy-war, but I think
also Biden's theme of democracy-vs-authoritarianism plays a role. I
don't think it's a given that a republican administration under Trump
would have done the same (even if some in the military would still have
liked to fight a proxy war).


On 13.02.23 08:45, Stefan Heidenreich wrote:


- the defeat of NATO could lead to a "decolonization" of Western
Europe (not that this by itself leads to positive results. Repressive
"liberal" fascism remains as likely an outcome as some sort of
independence.)


Oh my, what this is supposed to mean, only chatGPT can explain.









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Re: why is it so quiet (in the US)

2020-11-13 Thread Menno Grootveld


Hi David,

I suppose you mean 'well-founded.' To be honest, I am surprised that it 
took so long before this story made it to the headlines. It was clear 
from the very start (from way before the elections actually took place) 
that this was going to happen.


Please read this as well:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/11/11/opinion/trumps-big-election-lie-pushes-america-toward-autocracy/

Op 13-11-20 om 11:48 schreef d.gar...@new-tactical-research.co.uk:
This recent piece in the New Yorker (below) shows that Felix's 
anxieties are well unfounded. And ably facilitated by the rise and 
rise of Don Junior the once despised prodigal son who has morphed into 
the formidable and terrifying heir apparent's fascistic rants about 
'total war', aided and abetted by the supine Republican establishment. 
Is it too alarming to imagine that US democracy is at risk of going 
from an extended midlife crisis into a terminal end game? The coming 
weeks will test the republic's constitutional arrangements as never 
before.


https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/how-far-could-republicans-take-trumps-claims-of-election-fraud 








On 13 Nov 2020, at 10:10, Felix Stalder  wrote:

Hi everyone,

I must admit, amidst post-terror assault on civil liberties and covid
cases spiraling out of control here in Austria, the US election drama
has moved a bit lower in my attention, but not that much.


From what I understand, the numbers show that Trump lost. Period. No

recount will change that.

But, the game of the Republicans is to create so much doubt about the
fairness of the elections (without any evidence) to make it impossible
to certify them in time. Frivolous lawsuits are great at gumming things
up. This would then allow the Republican dominated legislatures in 
swing

states to appoint their own electors which would bring Trump the
majority. In the mean time, the minister of defense, who previously
refused to send in troops against mostly peaceful protestors, has been
fired and replaced with a loyalist. Apparently, similar moves are in 
the

wings for the FBI and CIA.

I know, Trump is often portrayed as an incompetent child, and the
strategy is totally outlandish, but the Republican party has shown 
to be

a pretty ruthless and successful power machine playing both a short and
a long game, and it's exactly the outlandishness of the strategy 
that is

its strongest point.

In the mean time, the democrats pretend all of this to be irrelevant 
(an

'embarrassment' at worst) and happily appoint a transition team full of
corporate insiders like it's 1992.

Am I totally misreading the situation?

Felix






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Re: discussing zoom fatigue

2020-11-02 Thread Menno Grootveld

And for our Dutch readers: the Dutch translation is almost ready and 
will be published (after Geert's approval) here:


www.wereldbrand.nl

Op 02-11-20 om 17:20 schreef Geert Lovink:

Dear nettimers,

in the first half of July we had a very interesting dialogue here. I 
used parts of it in my ‘chorus’ essay that is out now on the Eurozine 
website. Here is the link:


https://www.eurozine.com/the-anatomy-of-zoom-fatigue/ 



Thanks so much to all, also to all readers. I wished it wasn’t going 
to be such a relevant topic, but now, at least here in Europe, in the 
midst of the second wave, it’s sadly, again, back to Zoom. I wish you 
all good luck with your Zoom and Teams meetings and classes, and stay 
safe! Let’s continue the critical exchange here, as video conferencing 
is now, for many of us, our way of life.


Best from Geert


On 3 Jul 2020, at 11:27 am, Geert Lovink > wrote:


Dear nettimers,

I suppose many of you who’re into teaching have had an intense and 
exhausting period of giving online classes.


I am trying to gather experiences of what’s now called ‘Zoom 
fatigue’. Of course this is by no means limited to Zoom and extends 
to Microsofts Teams and Skype, Google Classrooms etc. The experience 
also shows up in the cultural sector, in businesses and in the busy 
everyday or freelancers that have to speak to clients. We all made 
long hours.


My question is a strategic one. Should we, in the near future, refuse 
to give online classes and have management meetings like this? The IT 
management class is already promoting the ‘blended’ model, expecting 
a backlash of the excessive video conferencing hours of the past months.


Do you want to send me (or post here) some sentences or paragraph 
how, exactly, you experienced the move to video conferencing and the 
fatigue?


Is there something wrong with the user interface? Is the ‘live’ 
aspect important or should we rather return to pre-produced videos? 
As you all know, the relation (or tension) between ‘streaming’ and 
‘online video’ is an old one.


Some of us also made remarkably positive experiences. When the 
people, the content and context is right, an online conference that 
matters turned out really interesting. There are so many things to 
discuss, new connections to be made, hearing from those who have been 
excluded from the dialogues and discourses so far. The ‘stack of 
crises’ may be distressing but the resistance, worldwide, also grows. 
Under what circumstances it is desirable to come together like this?


This much is clear. We need to gather and organize, mobilize. How 
should ‘our’ Zoom look like? One that is inspiring, very likely 
limited in time, more focussed dialogues, perhaps even voting, 
facilitating both consensus AND debate?


Is there a top limit to the use of video as community tool?

Best, Geert

ps. Here at the Institute of Network Cultures we made some 
experiences ourselves with the MoneyLab #8 event, organized by 
Aksioma in Ljubljana, originally scheduled for late March 2020, that 
was quickly turned into an 8 part lecture series: 
https://vimeo.com/networkcultures .





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Re: what exactly is breaking?

2020-05-31 Thread Menno Grootveld


Dear all,

Well, if you ask me, these are the early skirmishes of a new Civil War. 
But actually I would say that the first Civil War never really ended and 
certainly was not won by the North (as we all have been led to believe). 
As to your question of what exactly is breaking: that is the dominant 
position of the US in geopolitics after 1945 and especially after 1989. 
The Roman Empire collapsed as a result of both internal and external 
pressure, and the same is happening now in the US. These developments 
are aptly symbolized by the image of Trump and Pence watching the 
take-off of the Space X-rocket from Cape Canaveral while 'Rome is burning.'


All the best,

Menno

Op 31-05-20 om 12:27 schreef Felix Stalder:

I, like probably most nettimers, I have been observing the fracturing
of the US with increasing horror (knowing that Europe, over the last
70 years, has usualled followed the US, for good and bad). With the
horrific response to Covid-19, things to have now taken an even
darker turn, compounding all the simmering structural violence into
something, well, into what? Approaching civil war? There are certainly
enough heavily-armed militias around who are clamoring for it. Is this
a breaking point, and if so, what exactly is breaking?







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Re: Evo Morales

2019-11-11 Thread Menno Grootveld

Which basic democratic principles would that be? He offered to hold new 
elections after he won the (contested) last one.


Op 12-11-19 om 00:26 schreef Hanns Holger Rutz:

the ones who are living in Venezuela without food, medicaments and
electricity, the ones that get robbed on a daily basis, the ones that
are imprisoned, tortured, disappeared and killed for speaking up, or the
ones that have taken refugee in other countries and are now facing
increasing racism in their new host countries.

the advantage of the people in Bolivia was that the military hadn't been
taken over by Cuba, and so it was still independent enough to force
Morales out when he refused to uphold basic democratic principles.


On 12/11/2019 00:06, Menno Grootveld wrote:

Which thirty million others are you talking about?

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Re: Evo Morales

2019-11-11 Thread Menno Grootveld

Excuse me? Could you be a little bit more informative? Which thirty
million others are you talking about? Are these by any chance the
hardcore racist supporters of Trump and Bolsonaro?

Op 12-11-19 om 00:00 schreef Hanns Holger Rutz:

Maduro come next, to end the repressive regime in Venezuela. No tear for
Morales from me and thirty million others. Have fun in your European
armchair+cocktail "socialism".

On 11/11/2019 23:49, Menno Grootveld wrote:

Hi there! This is not so much lazy reporting as incredibly overt
disinformation.

You better read this:

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/11/11/global-condemnation-appalling-coup-bolivia-military-forces-socialist-president-evo

Op 11-11-19 om 22:10 schreef Felix Stalder:

[I don't know much about the situation in Bolivia, but reporting in the
Western media seems incredibly lazy, portraying the situation as a
liberal uprising against an anti-democratic leader.

There is obviously much more context than that. Some of it is mentioned
in the below interview. Another aspect is that just a week ago, Bolivia
cancelled a very large project to produce lithium with a German company
after local protests again the project. Though that also is probably
more complex, because the German won the initial contract because they
were they only ones willing to refine the Lithium locally, rather than
simply export the raw material. Perhaps somebody with more direct
knowledge can add more information. Felix ]

https://www.democracynow.org/2019/11/11/evo_morales_bolivia_protests_military_coup

Evo Morales was Bolivia’s first indigenous leader, was credited with
lifting nearly a fifth of Bolivia’s population out of poverty since he
took office in 2006. But he faced criticism from some of his former
supporters for running for a third and then a fourth term. Evo Morales’s
whereabouts are unknown. His home was ransacked Sunday. Mexico has
offered Morales asylum. Hours before resigning, Morales had agreed to
call for new elections, after the Organization of American States issued
a report claiming there was, quote, “clear manipulation” in last month’s
election results. According to the official results of last month’s
election, Morales won 47% of the vote and just narrowly avoided a runoff
election. But the OAS immediately questioned the election process,
sparking mass street protests. Critics of the OAS say the global body
did not provide any evidence of actual vote rigging.

We go now to Washington, D.C., where we’re joined by Mark Weisbrot,
co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, his latest
piece for The Nation headlined “The Trump Administration Is Undercutting
Democracy in Bolivia.” Talk about the latest developments, the
resignation of President Evo Morales, the first indigenous president of
Bolivia.

MARK WEISBROT: Well, this is a military coup. There’s no doubt about it
now, after the head of the military told the president and vice
president to resign and then they did. And I think it’s really terrible
the way it’s been presented, because, from the beginning, you had that
OAS press release, the day after the election, which hinted — or
implied, actually, very strongly — that there was something wrong with
the vote count, and they never presented any evidence at all. They
didn’t presented it in that release. They didn’t present it in their
next release. They didn’t present it in their preliminary report. And
there’s really nothing in this latest so-called preliminary audit that
shows that there was any fraud in this election. But it was repeated
over and over again in all the media, and so it became kind of true.
And, you know, if you look at the media, you don’t see anybody — you
don’t see any experts, for example, saying that there was something
wrong with the vote count. It’s really just that OAS observation
mission, which was under a lot of pressure, of course, from Senator
Rubio and the Trump administration to do this, because they wanted —
they’ve wanted for some time to get rid of this government.

AMY GOODMAN: And explain how the election went — Morales stopping the
election count, resuming it — and then what kind of majority he needed
to avoid a runoff.

Re: Evo Morales

2019-11-11 Thread Menno Grootveld

Hi there! This is not so much lazy reporting as incredibly overt
disinformation.

You better read this:

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/11/11/global-condemnation-appalling-coup-bolivia-military-forces-socialist-president-evo

Op 11-11-19 om 22:10 schreef Felix Stalder:

[I don't know much about the situation in Bolivia, but reporting in the
Western media seems incredibly lazy, portraying the situation as a
liberal uprising against an anti-democratic leader.

https://www.democracynow.org/2019/11/11/evo_morales_bolivia_protests_military_coup

AMY GOODMAN: And explain how the election went — Morales stopping the
election count, resuming it — and then what kind of majority he needed
to avoid a runoff.

MARK WEISBROT: OK. So, this is very important, because this has been
very badly described, I think, in most of the media. You have a quick
count, which is not even the official count of the election, and it’s
not binding. It’s not what determines the result. It’s just something
that is done while the votes are being counted to let people know what’s
going on at that time. And so, the quick count was interrupted, and when
it resumed — and it was interrupted with Evo leading by about 7
percentage points. And when it came back, his margin increased. And if
you read the press here, any of the articles, it’s reported as though
something terribly suspicious happened. He didn’t have enough votes — he
needed a 10-point margin in order to — a 10-point lead over the next
runner-up in order to win in the first round, and he didn’t have that
when the vote count, this quick count, was interrupted — or, the
reporting was interrupted, I should say. And then, you know, he got it
in the last 14 — last 16% of the votes counted. He reached 10%. But if
you look at what was really — so, this was reported as a very suspicious
thing. And this is what’s reported over and over again to make it look
like something was wrong.

But if you look at it, actually —

Re: Supreme Court Rulling consequeces

2019-09-25 Thread Menno Grootveld


Hi Ted (and others),

I think it is very good and timely of David to post this kind of stuff 
on nettime, and I don't see any reason to slap him in the face publicly 
or to shut down the list.


We should reconsider the basic tenets of nettime though, since maybe the 
whole idea of having a list exclusively for discussions about network 
issues is a bit outdated...


On the other hand, I consider it a big asset to be able to read 
interesting contributions by people like David and Brian Holmes in a 
remnant of the open structure that the net once was, so please keep the 
list alive!


Op 25-09-19 om 16:20 schreef tbyfield:

On 25 Sep 2019, at 8:11, David Garcia wrote:

Sorry nettime (press delete anyone who has a life and so is 
uninterested in UK politics and related constitutional/Brexit 
shenaningans)


Felix and I have been thinking about shutting down nettime-l because 
(as I'd put it, he may well differ) the list should preserve its 
historical specificity and energy rather than devolve into yet another 
forum for debates that are easily available in other venues. If you 
feel like you need to open your mail with 'Sorry nettime' and tell 
people to delete your mail, that's probably a good sign that what 
follows may not be so productive in this context and maybe you should 
just delete it yourself. I understand the urge to turn to the list as 
a  semi-sane  outlet; given how nakedly brutal politics have 
become, there's a good chance that many others feel similar impulses. 
But the challenge, then, is to talk about what's happening in ways 
that are relevant to a wider range of people.


Yesterday was a big day in the US, what with the Speaker of the House 
committing to an impeachment process. But the avalanche of events it 
led to that came fast and furious, and keep on coming, so the twists 
and turns seem strangely weightless, as if everything could flip 
around in a day or a week or vanish in a month. We could argue about 
what will happen, but why bother? What I'd hear here would be a pale 
shadow of regular fare on Facebook.


That's not to say there's nothing nettimish about these subjects — 
there could be. But if there is, I think it lies not in specific 
events but in their generality: the emergence of transnational 
political networks that are nakedly exploiting the creaky machinery of 
democracy to subvert traditions, the speed with which aggressively 
rightist national movements are leveraging each other's strategies, 
the fates of entire nations becoming the latest bloody-minded 'season' 
of some global infotainment franchise, the outsourcing of revanchism 
to hypercapitalist 'makers' in ex-eastern regions, the rise of a 
neo–Children's Crusade focused more on planetary discourses than the 
trite figure of the 'local' as the field of action, the specter of 
military interventions in the service of environmentalism, the ways 
that rampant disillusionment is entangled with the self-historicizing 
impulses of graying radicals, the transformation of cities, higher 
education, and the internet from sites of liberation into machines of 
economic exploitation, the mutation of art schools into retirement 
homes, the appropriation of squatting and occupying tactics as 
impact-free cultural programming... That list could (and should) go 
on, and — with a jolt of old-school collaborative text-filtering — it 
could even bring some new energy and people to this list. But stuff 
that smacks of remoaning – not just remoaning about Brexit but 
remoaning about anything and everything – will just waste whatever 
potential might be left.


Nettime-l's info page[1] says 'no MIME-attachments,' but no one GAF 
about MIME anymore, so maybe we should change it to something more 
up-to-date like 'no attachments of any kind, sentimental included.'


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Re: what is to be done

2019-09-08 Thread Menno Grootveld


I'm all for it! Let's start it ... now!

Op 08-09-19 om 12:47 schreef David Garcia:

listening to the Ted and Felix discussion is great thanks Shulea
and others who made this happen..

Alongside the mailing lists and Nettime should feature a regular
radio program.

  
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Re: apropos "relax dear"

2018-11-06 Thread Menno Grootveld

Dear all,

Although I certainly do not share all of Alexander's notions and ideas, 
and although I do not discount the possibility that he actually is one 
of these 'trolls', I don't support banning him from nettime permanently. 
I have to admit that I am a bit shocked by the eagerness with which some 
people seem to be wanting to 'shut him up,' as I do not consider this a 
productive way of having a discussion. The problem remains of course 
that a lot of people feel offended by his posts and that the discussion 
I am referring to has gotten out of hand recently, so the best solution 
would probably be to put him temporarily on 'moderation watch'.

Best,

Menno

Op 06-11-18 om 15:16 schreef Felix Stalder:

At the moment, nettime is largely unmoderated, with a very small number
of people set to manual approval by the moderators.

The difficult part is, of course, to decide when to put someone on
"moderation watch". Personally, I've been quite reluctant to do that,
not for some absolutist notion of free speech -- there is no right to
attack and denigrate people, no right to produce confusion and hatred,
and no right to bore everyone to death with belaboring the same points.
Also, nettime still has a collective focus, which involves trying to
think through the contemporary condition from a point of view of
producers of media culture (if such a thing can be still delineated).

The reason I'm reluctant to do is that I think it's better to draw such
boundaries collectively, to use these moments to rethink what the list
is. This is, admittedly, a somewhat "inefficient" approach and it often
creates not very productive loops until everyone gets so annoyed that
they speak up, but I personally don't know a better way.

So, please help us to respond more quickly by speaking up on the list or
sending us private mails.

Felix

On 06.11.18 12:19, Andreas Broeckmann wrote:

friends, i'm an active lurker on this list since 1996; my answer to
angela's question ("What is Nettime's policy on whether or not it should
give fascists a platform from which to recruit?") would be that
"nettime" probably doesn't have a "policy" on anything, other than the
openness to questions; i'm sure there are people here who can put this
in a more nuanced theoretical language, but i imagine the list and the
discourse it supports as "in flux" and as something that takes its shape
through the things that people write, and through the ways in which they
respond to each other. - in the given case, the point for me would be
not to ask what some (general) "policy" might be, but to state clearly
and concretely that i'm against allowing anything that smacks of fascist
trolling or recruitment. a statement like this constitutes the quality
of this list which has, as its "policy", only a certain, vague
collective spirit which requires critical voices like angela's to
express their opinion. therefore: i support ted's decision to moderate
some of the contributions since, given 22 years of trust-building, i
believe he is acting in the spirit of the list and the discourse it
serves to constitute.
(not sure whether this is an answer to julia's question.)
regards,
-a

Am 05.11.18 um 01:57 schrieb Julia Röder:

about that

  > dear angela,
  > relax dear.
  > it is ok.
  > noone is recruiting anyone here.
  > chill.
  > best,
  > w

so, is that it? silence about this from the whole list except from
angela?
do you all not say anything because you think this is trolling or this
is normal??

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Re: Paul Mason: Trump is a symptom of the new globaldisorder, not the cause

2018-06-24 Thread Menno Grootveld


Dear Sascha,

Please be aware of the fact that 40% might be the road to victory in the 
UK, on account of the voting system.


Please be aware of the fact that Trump succeeded in gaining the US 
presidency although he lost the popular vote by almost 3 million votes, 
on account of the voting system.


That said, you are totally right that aiming for (just) 40% is 
ridiculous. We should aim for no less than 51%!


But it is a losing proposition to infer that we should refrain from 
reaching back to the class principle. In fact, that's the only way to 
achieve success.



Op 24-06-18 om 22:20 schreef Sascha D. Freudenheim:
Loving the framing here--or is that ironic?--of 40% of the vote as a 
success.


Woot! So close to a governing majority! (Except for not even being 
close.)


Yes, moving left and becoming a class party is a sure path to ...

... defeat actually. Think the record of that is really very clear. 
Here in the U.S., and also in the U.K., and elsewhere.


That 1891 document is charmant und lieblich, and when I was a 19 year 
old studying my political history and philosophy, it would have been 
endearing. (Of course there was no web back then so I would have been 
reading it in a book.)


As a middle-aged owner of a small business? The parts of it that are 
based on values still resonate (e.g., "4. Abolition of all laws that 
place women at a disadvantage compared with men in matters of public 
or private law."). The parts of it that are about class/identity 
politics fall flat or are, worse, downright unappealing. (You really 
think you can legally restrict my right to work beyond eight hours a 
day? Hahahah.)


Marx needs a stake through the heart. It's long past time. This is not 
the path to victory, it's the path to a permanent 40% minority.


Sascha


On 6/24/18 4:04 PM, Richard Barbrook wrote:

Hiya,

It would be really great to hear more detail about the Corbynites' 
analysis of the
international situation and how they translate that into a domestic 
policy program

(Barbrook, where are you?).


We were visiting Berlin to tell the SPD about Labour's digital 
campaigning during the 2017
election campaign. I emphasised that our success was due to politics 
not technology.
If the SPD also wants to win 40% of the vote, it should move left and 
become a class party!
https://www.marxists.org/history/international/social-democracy/1891/erfurt-program.htm 



Richard

p.s. John McDonnell - Labour's finance spokesperson and Jeremy's 
Number 2 - is on the

executive of DiEM25.

===

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University of Westminster
32-38 Wells Street
LONDON W1T 3UW
England

+44 (0)7879 441873

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https://www.digital-liberties.coop
http://www.cybersalon.org
http://www.classwargames.net
http://www.politicsandmediafreedom.net
http://www.imaginaryfutures.net
http://www.imaginaryfutures.net/other-works

'Clause 5: That as the laws ought to be equal, so
they must be good, and not evidently destructive
to the safety and well-being of the people.'

The Levellers, The 1647 Agreement of the People
for a Firm and Present Peace Upon Grounds of
Common Right.

On Thu 14/06/18 11:16 PM , "Frederic Neyrat" fney...@gmail.com sent:

Dear Brian,
As always your emails are illuminating.
I've one question: to you, what are the parties, social
formations, social forces that could enable " dispersed transformation
of the energy and agricultural systems accompanied but pervasive
reworking of the patterns of inhabitation and entirely new forms of
ecological stewardship, based on the logic of ecosystem services
(which needs to be amplified by a new concept of human services to
ecosystems)"?
And maybe a secondary concern about the term "service" that you use:
with a configuration of other managerial terms, it has replaced
-erased - first "source," then "ressource," I mean it's a term
completely integrated in the system that produced the environmental
disasters - I know I go quickly from service to disaster, but, to make
a long story short, it seems to me that the word service is a denial
of any eco-systemic reality (I try to explain that in La Part
inconstructible de la Terre, to be published in English as The
Unconstructable Earth at Fordham UP).
Best,
Frederic

On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 12:07 PM, Brian Holmes  wrote:
Mason really captures the intensity of the breakdown, not only of
neoliberalism, but of the post-WWII interstate system. He also manages
to keep Asia in the picture, which is essential, because it is the
emergence of the China-centric economy that destabilized the former
Trilateral hierarchy of the US, Western Europe and Japan. However I
have always found Mason's prescriptions incoherent, and in this
case he goes off into some fantasy about Keynes that is totally
invisible on the actual political landscape. Except maybe in the UK
itself? If that's true, as David suggests, it would explain what I

Re: Bad ZAD news ...

2018-04-12 Thread Menno Grootveld


Dear all,

Just for your information: Frank Theys and I are on our way to the ZAD. 
We are "armed" with two movie camera's and a lot of audio equipment. I 
will try to write a short impression after we get there and post it. 
Meanwhile: spread the news and resist! Show your solidarity with the ZAD 
by squatting, occupying or just protesting, wherever you are!


Menno Grootveld

Rebel City Amsterdam


Op 12-04-18 om 16:02 schreef XLterrestrials:

Hi Patrice et al,
  
Thx for the boost...

the anti-commonists... good one !! :)

Day 4 updates ( the good news ) :

1. robopopo taste the mud ! ( via catapult )

2. tractors on the roll to defend the Saulce barricades.

3. the Dutch report from Globalinfo.nl
https://globalinfo.nl/Nieuws/frankrijk-ontruiming-zad-lukt-niet

4. it only took 50 years to make, but Macron may have just triggered May 68 The 
Sequel, Bravo ! :)

5

stay tune,
it's going to be a wild * woolly spring !

podinski


0O-o
www.xlterrestrials.org/plog  
arts + praxis organisms
o-O~0



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Podinski is right, let's focus (also) on happenings on the ground ...


bwo the INURAlist/Ivor Stodolsky, Miguel Martinez


Some of you have heard of the ZAD. Only a short time ago, after years of
dedication and courage and work for the commons, the ZAD celebrated
victory over the mega-project for a new airport:
https://zadforever.blog/2018/02/01/victory-and-an-invite-to-celebrate/

Now, the anti-commonists, appalled by the fact that people can live in a
peaceful sustainable way on shared property have attacked. With the
brutal force of a police state:

https://www.rt.com/news/423595-police-zad-eviction-clashes/
(i'm no great fan of RT, but they are among the few teams on the ground)

In Paris, spontaneous solidarity actions have sprung up!

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1777646912300937=1325125620886404

We should also show our solidarity. Perhaps a banner out the window or a
picture on the web? An ECA statement? A personal statement each. Please
share.


There is also a Liveblog on:  https://enoughisenough14.org/


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Here is a petition for the ZAD at Notre-Dame-des-Landes initiated by French 
academics, intellectuals, architectes...

https://www.change.org/p/edouard-philippe-comme-?-la-zad-de-notre-dame-des-landes-d?fendons-d-autres-mani?res-d-habiter-ecdb6060-1882-40f4-bc8d-901836fe5208
 
<https://www.change.org/p/edouard-philippe-comme-%C3%A0-la-zad-de-notre-dame-des-landes-d%C3%A9fendons-d-autres-mani%C3%A8res-d-habiter-ecdb6060-1882-40f4-bc8d-901836fe5208>

Joe.

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Re: 1994, Visions Of Heaven and Hell

2018-03-02 Thread Menno Grootveld

The URL is wrong. The correct one is 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwt-Jrmd5Ns



Op 02-03-18 om 13:24 schreef carlo von lynX:

Bumped into an amazing documentary from 1994: depicting the future
of society in the age of the Internet. Some statements are funny or
sad for their naivity, some others are chilling as they predict the
advent of the great Internet monopolies.
 "Visions Of Heaven and Hell" - https://www.youtu.be/GMdPLxbuc8Q

"I think it could be a disaster scenario, as this new technology
  comes to its fruition, with fewer people getting richer and more
  people getting poorer. And I think it could mean the collapse of
  society as indeed the collapse of the world civilisation and a
  new dark age. And the only thing that I think in the end can save
  that, is if the people who master this technology, the new rich,
  the new intellighenzia, can actually think beyond themselves. If
  they can realise, that the best form of selfishness is unselfish-
  ness. That if they don't actually invest in people other than
  themselves, beyond themselves, they will destroy themselves."
 Charles B. Handy, 1994.



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