Re: Fwd: [far...@keio.jp: [IP] CCRC/IP-Asia June 6, 9pm JST: Jeff returns - The United States of Anonymous]
Thank you so much! i followed your advice, and indeed the conversation ahead of the "scheduled talk" was truly fascinating. When i asked (in the zoom chat) about how to be kept apprised of future events in the series, it was suggested that i subscribe to Dave Farber's Interesting-People list (which it looks like you pasted from below, though without full email headers). However, what i found is https://seclists.org/interesting-people/ and while there are archives available (and an RSS feed), i can't see how i might add my email address to the recipient list. Perchance does anyone have any direction for me on this? i'd love to attend future sessions (on almost any topic, as the group of thinkers that attended this one was amazing!). thanks again, ~c On 6/3/22 17:22, José María Mateos wrote: > Hi, > > This might be of interest to members of the list. I've attended a few of > these virtual encounters and they're very, very interesting. > > I'm currently enjoying "ReadMe!" and many of the discussions there could > have been chapters of the book. One thing is what's planned, another > what ends up being talked about, specially the conversations prior to > the start of the actual event. Make sure to connect one hour to half an > hour before, if that's feasible. > > - Forwarded message from ファーバーデイビッド Ｊ - > > Subject: [IP] CCRC/IP-Asia June 6, 9pm JST: Jeff returns - The United > States > of Anonymous > From: ファーバーデイビッド Ｊ > Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2022 17:54:57 +0900 > To: Ip Ip > Reply-To: ip > > > > Dear CCRC colleagues and friends > > As part of our ongoing activities, Keio University Cyber Civilization > Research Center, David Farber and Dan Gillmor are continuing their > weekly online gathering over Zoom. > > CCRC/IP-Asia is a platform for sharing new ideas, exchanging information > and getting around people with common interests. We have had a good > crowd from East and West to discuss topics ranging from network > infrastructure to media & disinformation to supply chains to information > tracing, and much more. Here is the list of previous topics that we've > discussed: https://www.ccrc.keio.ac.jp/cyber-ipasia/ > > In the coming session, Professor Jeff Kosseff will talk about his new > book, The United States of Anonymous, which traces the history of legal > protections for anonymous speech in the United States. The discussion > will consider the costs and benefits of anonymous speech, and compare > the legal protections in the United States with those of other countries. > > Note Professor Kosseff has requested that we not record his comments, So > don’t miss. > > We hold these conversations every Monday! Please invite people you think > can contribute to the discussion. > > Put this on your calendar: Monday, 9 pm (2100) JST on June 6, 2022. > (EST: 8am | BST: 1pm | CEST 2pm ) > > Here is the link for this Zoom gathering: > https://zoom.us/j/966864863?pwd=bXNmR3ZBUVJOdzE1VExZZHhsM1Y2Zz09 > Password: 076743 > > See you on Monday! > > Dave and Dan > > PS: The meeting is held under the Chatham House Rule. Here's what that > means: > "When a meeting, or part thereof, is held under the Chatham House Rule, > participants are free to use the information received, but neither the > identity nor the affiliation of the speaker(s), nor that of any other > participant, may be revealed > > -- > ip: ip > Permalink: > https://ip.topicbox.com/groups/ip/T8a77427913558ed0-M1b849b98183c85c2d06c2d07 > > Delivery options: https://ip.topicbox.com/groups/ip/subscription > > - End forwarded message - > -- Charlie Derr Director of Instructional Technology Bard College at Simon's Rock https://simons-rock.edu Encryption key: http://hope.simons-rock.edu/~cderr/ 413-528-7344 Pronouns: he/him/his OpenPGP_signature Description: OpenPGP digital signature # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: The Left Needs a New Strategy
On 1/10/21 12:15 AM, Brian Holmes wrote: > > Qanon is for them. We have to invent something. how about The Gift Economy? (though definitely more of a *re*invention rather than something new we'll create out of whole cloth) ~c -- Charlie Derr Director, Instructional Technology 413-528-7344 https://www.simons-rock.edu Bard College at Simon's Rock Encryption key: http://hope.simons-rock.edu/~cderr/ Personal writing: https://medium.com/@cderr Pronouns: he or they # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: [EXT] Re: Thoughts on coups
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Fascinating discussion all (though i admit that i've not read every post in this thread to the end (yet -- i do hope to get back and do so, though frankly the truths being revealed make me think my mental health may be more fragile than i previously thought (if i have another psychotic break, and it's due to correctly apprehending the problems of our planet rather than my own instability, will that make it a "proper" response?))) love the idea of "cosmology and messianic vision" Brian (though my shrink probably would not be in favor of me fully embracing (at least the latter)) On 11/26/20 1:13 AM, Brian Holmes wrote: > It's got everything to do with Gaia theory and the circular > causality of cybernetics (especially the Bateson variety) For the last month, i've been tuning in to (and more recently actually participating with) High Pitch: Conversations in a New Key w/ Bonnitta Roy, Nora Bateson, Ria Baeck, Miriam Mason Martineau, Schuyler Brown, and Ece Utkucan Anderson. Nora is Gregory's daughter, and a visionary in her own right (imnho) and all 5 of the other women are thinkers who i believe overlap with an awful lot of the discussion i see here on nettime. This is also i think crucially important. We men have made a real mess of things with all of our patriarchal bullshit. i believe it's time to listen more closely to us non-cis-het-males. This group of women is in my eyes a great start. Let's support their systems-thinking leadership. Today is the final event in this series. If you see this in time (it's taking place less than 3 hours from now) and your schedule allows (and there's a moderator available to push my message through to you all), participation by a bunch of you would be wonderful: https://zoom.us/meeting/register/tJ0lc-2vqjsjGtaVWUf0jH96ZHWm2IUdN2vR Otherwise, all of the previous High Pitch conversations are up on youtube (Peter Limberg's "The Stoa" is the platform). i encourage you to check some of them out. Again, thanks to all of you for this particular discussion and also for many years of insight. i'm back to lurking now... with love and hope, ~c - -- Charlie Derr Director, Instructional Technology 413-528-7344 https://www.simons-rock.edu Bard College at Simon's Rock Encryption key: http://hope.simons-rock.edu/~cderr/ Personal writing: https://medium.com/@cderr Pronouns: he or they -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEETiJHl0qlojpckrtNu4s9czGpNn8FAl+/qncACgkQu4s9czGp Nn85gg/+OwOoATJGtyDDYSuyHx5Z+EDBVpXgF8LILzI8hH+GJqI2tV3nSsSjv9Uc ypxPu6B5g2HqjQItx7P0Y/asdePT0POks3+CHCuJtZ5erv7uoPzRM2UttetXO/P7 F4Gn09ZrwP0JP48Ae7NBffrVtyK805L2rag5Mw58ViaqdLw4q2lgKr5FIMjth14u /FdhP5GOkM6MtQ3OOgyb2L2eHw9fLAOYAzmBtODasSjZj1Bl53qcSR8uWs9VBASC 9JVF7liEyAnOF5Thn1XnKiM1YMmOJlQa8m4fMupy0W87tnsHXYbTmwC8UNsiTSgv 9JV4pg0s8srQNBO0cVb7fdDDX+AjgJgQQ27fagZsKuOWz37NTdZevBXAUHynRp+Q oEVK05O/D29EWMFC+cHr21pXaDdvdgkGhAl/I31vBOWoZSPueBaBJVDdPBdJYj37 SZ/gYvG0zREWzLI2x2Z3UzAIvL8qwJvu40EIoJQRbG7/lXRDWh/3yXx6fdrsCRtS O1NGmzyaG+lPMkGdU+1dZRfII1lpudgD86VfIZEA63jUR8Gqy7EvAHai2RrNRXx5 nrHUpjX0OFXLzjyEU6qGM/J5KCEr6GPvy9PCr3+mAR26NtuTmAhx0rAv8vxun67c 1crbw2lBI4xSHoA1VzYa/ANvYZ6T/3xJdsqCKJ0VJHHNhqPnfh4= =epHv -END PGP SIGNATURE- # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: Algorithmic / Biometric Governmentality
On 11/02/2017 02:00 PM, Vincent Van Uffelen wrote: > Hmm, their team is a prime example of white, male, and non-diverse > "singularity". > > Are blockchain ICOs really spreading the control and wealth to the > many? It's difficult to know, but considering the hurdles that have to > be crossed to be able to gain access to the blockchain (to have > internet access, a credit card or bank account, the knowledge and > desire, and the money to invest) the vast majority of wealth generated > went most likely into the pockets of the global top 2%. I've my doubt > that much of this will start trickling down. > > If the COIN has not the tackling of problems to the greater good in it > genes, pardon me contracts, it will most likely not happen. Of course > the platforms in creation could be very helpful (as Facebook is for > many NGOs) but I don't have hope that the free coin markets will steer > things into better places than the free financial markets did. > > \\vincent Vincent, Your first point is well taken. I try to keep my eyes open to these things whenever I can, but apparently the fact that I am myself a white male helped to blind me to the reality you pointed out in this respect. While I'm aware of women and PoC playing roles in the project, it is definitely a fact that the founders all appear to be white men (albeit from a diverse collection of geographical locations). Thank you very much for bringing this to my attention (and shame on me for not realizing it on my own). I don't disagree with your contention about existing ICO blockchains having a limited effect so far (and most of the benefit being directed to those who already have the most agency in our societies). But as I understand the goals of the singularityNET project, I don't see it operating in that same space. Their aim appears to be to build a structure that will support individuals who would otherwise be without the resources to compete with the larger players in the AI universe (which is the original point you were making that I specifically responded to). Yes it's true that internet connectivity will be necessary in order to participate but I have hope that the expressed goals of the project to provide access and opportunity to folks with limited means around the world are based on the core values of the founders rather than being window-dressing cynically used for marketing purposes. They are certainly seeking investors with deep pockets to help facilitate the effort but if it succeeds, I think it will provide a great opportunity for individuals (and groups) with great ideas (in terms of AI algorithms of potential use to us all) but minimal financial resources. The promise that blockchain technology holds in terms of providing verifiability and transparency as well as it naturally fitting in with operating in a decentralized way is what excites me about it. The fact that it originated in the realm of crytocurrency doesn't (in my mind) condemn it to only ever being used in that arena. While the singularityNET folks are incorporating a token into their platform, I don't see it primarily as a cryptocurrency effort. Their stated intent to open source all their code and the goal to provide an avenue for AI researchers to gain access to a global market puts them in another (new) realm (in my opinion). be well, ~c signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: Algorithmic / Biometric Governmentality
On 11/02/2017 05:29 AM, Vincent Van Uffelen wrote: > Nevertheless, it [AI] remains a very powerful tool, and it is in the > hands of a very few (and their software engineer/programmer management > layer). While it's still in the embryonic stages, I just wanted to mention a rather ambitious effort to change this reality using blockchain technology and implementing via open source code: https://singularitynet.io https://medium.com/ben-goertzel-on-singularitynet Their whitepaper is due out any day now. best, ~c signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: "Too bad your great ideas will never work."
On 09/16/2017 04:48 AM, Felix Stalder wrote: > But they are about > inventing new public institutions to embody a different pattern how to > relate to the biosphere and to each other. > > And technology, which created much of this complexity, can also be used > to render it legible and thus make it politically addressable, if we use > it to reinvent and extend democracy. > > Of course, the white middle-class perspective will not suffice, but > rather than seeing new Platonic universals, we need ways of thinking and > doing that can be translated into different experience, change their > language, but remain some coherence. > > > Felix I've been lurking here for quite a while, but the above expression leads me to share a book I read recently called _The Patterning Instinct_ by Jeremy Lent. The author's URL is at http://www.jeremylent.com/the-patterning-instinct.html and the book was striking enough to me that I responded with my own thoughts at https://medium.com/@cderr/the-web-of-meaning-c3abd902b2a5 I don't see much reason for optimism (either here on nettime or anywhere else), but when solutions are proposed, it seems to me worth our consideration. best, ~c signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org # @nettime_bot tweets mail w/ sender unless #ANON is in Subject:
Re: tensions within the bay area elites
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 05/13/2014 12:17 AM, John Hopkins wrote: >> Even so, many people here, while disliking Google for some >> things, also recognize that some of the tech giants are making >> real efforts on environmental issues, and some of them are trying >> to at least consider how they affect local communities. But >> sometimes it's hard to > > Certainly any of these 'giants' that are running on (carbon!) > cloud computing have no interest in substantive environmental > 'issues' except for hypocritical nods at things that do not affect > their bottom line or their 'owners' endless egomaniacal desire to > expand their control and power ... > > A massive corporation, as it rises, is a techno-social > agglomeration that distorts existing flows and architectures of > power. However, in our current case, as the pre-existing power > flows are those of the military-industrial-academic complex, these > 'newer' flows will doubtless not deviate from those pre-existing > patterns and suddenly 'benefit' a local community. Is Silicon > Valley really any different than the Niger Delta in this respect? > > jh > Perhaps your question was rhetorical, but even if that's the case, I'd like to think the answer might in fact be yes. After all, the commodity our "new" giants are built around is information. It seems unlikely to me that an organization devoted to leveraging information wouldn't also learn as it does so. We certainly have major issues around energy all around our society(ies) that we'll be needing to solve one way or another. I'm at least slightly optimistic that enormous entities *without* the word "Oil" in their name (or their 'DNA') have the potential to improve on the past behavior of multi-national giants. But alternatively it may be that I simply need to shed my rose-colored glasses. best, ~c -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Icedove - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJTci0JAAoJELuLPXMxqTZ/PI8QAJyMH+nXL8Qsy2hwjmYoUmOI 3IXlOttSYzfmXWBohFSZQiDPqxXC3MiGNoQxFexcqHo1SBCSM8NXjtRUgchddXrg /zSn9YJ7A59gB1T5euivBjfB1mGHV0MPsS+kgNs6em2zipi146Y/D3a16RlJHPwm qxB2Kthb+GsZ1dEwxqFcKlGfiC1faiYEJDnvdQNyHn9nS4oA5q38KIPLPy+4nWdS wO4T4L68XbN11KCQAbC1lWxmXAJrx1Al9b77/4U9OuyfeGUIVrUoJvvpp8zDjV9W W/oqG50U4rsjwuIFT1QpIonFwSv8gAgBN/skC43NBUKP6Na3zMeJZ05onfW6Y1qW X1Jgd680bDsiP/QFNl1AIIUb8RgzgdZ65jpMUCEnqrykjLQBkXP8fBke9WwstuML FPE1vXO7C/cBMbN1E5SVTrPA76m88OqYqeE6qNm3VZ55yb8l0B054SnxPZWvCnuK Ov9lDf5gJjpiWg/j9BqwWjeKsRXd2GzMGVAB98i1b22yjTxpCEJMjlebsjm+1Qig 74LFOEgVRNZWIY8G9OtAaKWQ7JqoKW0lQncznNWVum3hnb3ji5elyO2od+h8JgtE zyXRG+ZQtLh9TyTqUztjBWkv8Y5PxjfBxEm/3Lqbxkdsri3S9ij/WbeMVhQQkYJa AOa6j7oFmgIytpnecAtV =M1VM -END PGP SIGNATURE- # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
Re: Driverless cars, pilotless planes -- will there be jobs left for a human beings
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > I would love to hear what people think. > > best, Brian > I think you're mostly spot on. It sometimes seems like battling against the tide (or tilting at windmills) but there's really nothing to be done except to try to keep probing for weaknesses in the current power structure(s). There are a lot of "possible" ways to make progress. I think providing materials such that people are able to "self-educate" is important. And also, trying to stand firm in the ongoing debate about education. I'm firmly of the opinion that the most important thing anyone can be taught is how to learn. In the long run, it's my hope that if we teach each other and all our children how to think and how to learn, there's at least a fighting chance for the future. keep on keepin' on, ~c -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRpLWdAAoJELuLPXMxqTZ/oREP/jtg51OsRcQGdgEBYmGozikH Vznv4LMjJQC8uulIF5WeveUznLdp70t5Z0U568wl/kmL8cd3ZCfLujodhVftO3B8 LvS93LY9IcFshGqGNJ/+rT1nERT/Fyp6KWX1xV9QrW5xEnxzoB6naW4HXevmmTs3 3Mkxfjotrtrfe6ciflR1zyko3l3JBr/3LohqlMquJ7sq48NDn3J0qXbYZcNcl3sK pLJFYvns9+ZIFsBl/cPt+qF5qG1rjZcUacdDGfBieFF842Ur6fcOVyWReCeqjneb 4juxDQGd+leG+teDaAyZkKT9MKkXl4BdN922DmYC0iS+cEBmeLa2/H39XW6ftBi9 4QFkNoFXnfTL78x0hyS6A10LKik6kzEdXoCMhe0iwSFEx3vRoW9Ij/NgMNkNSIKt SiR+w7iEhEavcJYNO720MhToacMo2kYnLsbX2x6plnUx557ATHOztqI7K/f/WvrB 25/hYZDQa0/cJBQckRrM9Ipq9P23iOkokAt0+TgOlV6zNoQDzcFgwEVdaJRY5Tiv aqnY+EPavrTPvcboHVqg6BOhIMRP+GYiUD40JKW3ycIkUIRe8Vqq6pGqDJ0TgzIP 6P3UfR4rSs6sWiS+fuFMmzPz+XH9Yjm9yyyKFnhSPn2YO4fnBUZkMfST6TA/aiqY aqOwvr9f4EUg8TupLyCM =0tR5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- # distributed via : no commercial use without permission #is a moderated mailing list for net criticism, # collaborative text filtering and cultural politics of the nets # more info: http://mx.kein.org/mailman/listinfo/nettime-l # archive: http://www.nettime.org contact: nett...@kein.org
