Re: ANNOUNCE: Mobile Broadband Configuration Assistant
Dan Williams wrote: On Fri, 2008-04-11 at 09:13 +0200, Stefan Seyfried wrote: Let me rephrase this: the interfaces to get the additional data _while connected_ are mostly proprietary interfaces, with the exception of a few Sierra cards, some Option cards, and some others. So while you've got PPP running, you simply can't send AT commands to most cards, even if they do expose more than on USB serial port. I count most cards as cards in the wild, and basically, at least in Europe, there is Option, Sierra Wireless, Novatel and Huawei in the market. The problem of the unusable second port is not that bad since many Cards offer a third port (the nozomis and most other option cards) that can be used and the others could possibly be handled by a port multiplexer (see below). Sorry, but that's simply not true (to not call it FUD or BS). Almost all cards work just fine using UMTSmon (http://umtsmon.sf.net). Klaas is acquiring those cards that don't right now and then they will work, too. Certainly not almost all... UMTSmon doesn't support CDMA cards yet, which rules out half of users in the Americas, most users in South Korea, large numbers of users in China, and many people in Australia/New Zealand. Since Klaas will probably spend more time in America in the future, and he has good contacts to the hardware manufacturers, the support in umtsmon for other cards will certainly improve ;-) The only thing that is still needed is a port multiplexer for single-port cards like my novatel xu870, but there was just no pressing need for having signal strength while being connected, so i did not yet look into that :-) That's interesting; would that be userspace or driver-side? That's userspace (you could put it into the kernel, but that would be totally unnecesary). There is an implementation over at berlios (the server seems down right now, my bookmark points to http://developer.berlios.de/projects/gsmmux/) but i have not tried it, simply because it is not too interesting to watch the signal strength while being connected (and everything else like searching for other providers etc. does not work while connected anyway). The search term you want to google for is IIRC GSM 07.10. Regards, seife -- Stefan Seyfried RD Team Mobile Devices| Any ideas, John? SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Nürnberg | Well, surrounding them's out. This footer brought to you by insane German lawmakers: SUSE Linux Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: ANNOUNCE: Mobile Broadband Configuration Assistant
Dan Williams wrote: On Thu, 2008-04-10 at 07:08 -0700, Michael wrote: Hi, I have a Verizon broadband card and my experience has been that the card acts as a modem. I also use Fedora 7 and setting up the device in the Network applet as a modem allows NM to control the card as a dial-up connection. The specific card support is still required from the Verizon software to program the card for specific stuff (tower info, other programming - SPL). Although it would be nice to have some kind of signal strength meter... Unfortunately, the interfaces to get this additional data are all proprietary vendor interfaces, with the exception of a few Sierra GSM cards that accept AT commands on the second tty. So this is not currently possible without licensing the SDKs of each vendor and using non-free, binary blobs. Sorry, but that's simply not true (to not call it FUD or BS). Almost all cards work just fine using UMTSmon (http://umtsmon.sf.net). Klaas is acquiring those cards that don't right now and then they will work, too. The only thing that is still needed is a port multiplexer for single-port cards like my novatel xu870, but there was just no pressing need for having signal strength while being connected, so i did not yet look into that :-) -- Stefan Seyfried RD Team Mobile Devices| Any ideas, John? SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Nürnberg | Well, surrounding them's out. This footer brought to you by insane German lawmakers: SUSE Linux Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: ANNOUNCE: Mobile Broadband Configuration Assistant
Hello, pe, 2008-04-11 kello 09:13 +0200, Stefan Seyfried kirjoitti: Dan Williams wrote: On Thu, 2008-04-10 at 07:08 -0700, Michael wrote: Hi, I have a Verizon broadband card and my experience has been that the card acts as a modem. I also use Fedora 7 and setting up the device in the Network applet as a modem allows NM to control the card as a dial-up connection. The specific card support is still required from the Verizon software to program the card for specific stuff (tower info, other programming - SPL). Although it would be nice to have some kind of signal strength meter... Unfortunately, the interfaces to get this additional data are all proprietary vendor interfaces, with the exception of a few Sierra GSM cards that accept AT commands on the second tty. So this is not currently possible without licensing the SDKs of each vendor and using non-free, binary blobs. Sorry, but that's simply not true (to not call it FUD or BS). Almost all cards work just fine using UMTSmon (http://umtsmon.sf.net). Klaas is acquiring those cards that don't right now and then they will work, too. Whoa! This is fantastic! I've been interested in mobile broadband under GNU/Linux for three years now and this is the first time I hear about UMTSmon. Well, it's never too late to find out something new ;-) The only thing that is still needed is a port multiplexer for single-port cards like my novatel xu870, but there was just no pressing need for having signal strength while being connected, so i did not yet look into that :-) It seems to me (after looking at the screen shots:) that NetworkManager and UMSTmon could definitely have a some sort of future together. -- Antti ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
RE: ANNOUNCE: Mobile Broadband Configuration Assistant
De: Matt Burkhardt Enviado el: jue 10/04/2008 15:12 Para: Antti Kaijanmäki CC: networkmanagerAsunto: Re: ANNOUNCE: Mobile Broadband Configuration Assistant On Thu, 2008-04-10 at 16:00 +0300, Antti Kaijanmäki wrote: Hello, to, 2008-04-10 kello 14:15 +0400, Vitja Makarov kirjoitti: Hi! Nice to hear this. Too late for me, I am using Wvdial and it detected my Huawei E220 mobile broadband modem without problem. But better late than never ;-) Are you going to add bluetooth support? I'm not going to add Bluetooth support to NetworkManager. At least that is not the plan right now. However there are some couple of weeks reserved for working on NetworkManager itself and thus if it's later decided I should work on Bluetooth support, I will. If I can suggest it, I would like also this Bluetooth support. This would be great ! (when I cannot connect to the Internet using my Huawei, I connect to the modem of a Sony-Ericsson mobile phone using bluetooth . Regards. ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: ANNOUNCE: Mobile Broadband Configuration Assistant
On Fri, 2008-04-11 at 09:13 +0200, Stefan Seyfried wrote: Dan Williams wrote: On Thu, 2008-04-10 at 07:08 -0700, Michael wrote: Hi, I have a Verizon broadband card and my experience has been that the card acts as a modem. I also use Fedora 7 and setting up the device in the Network applet as a modem allows NM to control the card as a dial-up connection. The specific card support is still required from the Verizon software to program the card for specific stuff (tower info, other programming - SPL). Although it would be nice to have some kind of signal strength meter... Unfortunately, the interfaces to get this additional data are all proprietary vendor interfaces, with the exception of a few Sierra GSM cards that accept AT commands on the second tty. So this is not currently possible without licensing the SDKs of each vendor and using non-free, binary blobs. Let me rephrase this: the interfaces to get the additional data _while connected_ are mostly proprietary interfaces, with the exception of a few Sierra cards, some Option cards, and some others. So while you've got PPP running, you simply can't send AT commands to most cards, even if they do expose more than on USB serial port. Sorry, but that's simply not true (to not call it FUD or BS). Almost all cards work just fine using UMTSmon (http://umtsmon.sf.net). Klaas is acquiring those cards that don't right now and then they will work, too. Certainly not almost all... UMTSmon doesn't support CDMA cards yet, which rules out half of users in the Americas, most users in South Korea, large numbers of users in China, and many people in Australia/New Zealand. The only thing that is still needed is a port multiplexer for single-port cards like my novatel xu870, but there was just no pressing need for having signal strength while being connected, so i did not yet look into that :-) That's interesting; would that be userspace or driver-side? Dan ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: ANNOUNCE: Mobile Broadband Configuration Assistant
Hi! Nice to hear this. Are you going to add bluetooth support? vitja. ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: ANNOUNCE: Mobile Broadband Configuration Assistant
Hello, to, 2008-04-10 kello 14:15 +0400, Vitja Makarov kirjoitti: Hi! Nice to hear this. Are you going to add bluetooth support? vitja. I'm not going to add Bluetooth support to NetworkManager. At least that is not the plan right now. However there are some couple of weeks reserved for working on NetworkManager itself and thus if it's later decided I should work on Bluetooth support, I will. -- Antti ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: ANNOUNCE: Mobile Broadband Configuration Assistant
On Thu, 2008-04-10 at 16:00 +0300, Antti Kaijanmäki wrote: Hello, to, 2008-04-10 kello 14:15 +0400, Vitja Makarov kirjoitti: Hi! Nice to hear this. Are you going to add bluetooth support? vitja. I'm not going to add Bluetooth support to NetworkManager. At least that is not the plan right now. However there are some couple of weeks reserved for working on NetworkManager itself and thus if it's later decided I should work on Bluetooth support, I will. -- Antti ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list I am so happy you're working on this. I've been wanting to get a mobile broadband card, but Verizon only supports Linux for their Enterprise customers. -- Matt Burkhardt, MSTM President Impari Systems, Inc. Phone: (301) 644-3911 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.imparisystems.com ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: ANNOUNCE: Mobile Broadband Configuration Assistant
Hi, I have a Verizon broadband card and my experience has been that the card acts as a modem. I also use Fedora 7 and setting up the device in the Network applet as a modem allows NM to control the card as a dial-up connection. The specific card support is still required from the Verizon software to program the card for specific stuff (tower info, other programming - SPL). Although it would be nice to have some kind of signal strength meter... Michael On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Antti Kaijanmäki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to, 2008-04-10 kello 09:12 -0400, Matt Burkhardt kirjoitti: On Thu, 2008-04-10 at 16:00 +0300, Antti Kaijanmäki wrote: Hello, to, 2008-04-10 kello 14:15 +0400, Vitja Makarov kirjoitti: Hi! Nice to hear this. Are you going to add bluetooth support? vitja. I'm not going to add Bluetooth support to NetworkManager. At least that is not the plan right now. However there are some couple of weeks reserved for working on NetworkManager itself and thus if it's later decided I should work on Bluetooth support, I will. -- Antti ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list I am so happy you're working on this. I've been wanting to get a mobile broadband card, but Verizon only supports Linux for their Enterprise customers. Unfortunately I can't make any promises regarding any particular mobile broadband card or dedicated data modem, but hopefully plenty of them get supported by the end of summer. -- Antti -- Matt Burkhardt, MSTM President Impari Systems, Inc. Phone: (301) 644-3911 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.imparisystems.com ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: ANNOUNCE: Mobile Broadband Configuration Assistant
to, 2008-04-10 kello 09:12 -0400, Matt Burkhardt kirjoitti: On Thu, 2008-04-10 at 16:00 +0300, Antti Kaijanmäki wrote: Hello, to, 2008-04-10 kello 14:15 +0400, Vitja Makarov kirjoitti: Hi! Nice to hear this. Are you going to add bluetooth support? vitja. I'm not going to add Bluetooth support to NetworkManager. At least that is not the plan right now. However there are some couple of weeks reserved for working on NetworkManager itself and thus if it's later decided I should work on Bluetooth support, I will. -- Antti ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list I am so happy you're working on this. I've been wanting to get a mobile broadband card, but Verizon only supports Linux for their Enterprise customers. Unfortunately I can't make any promises regarding any particular mobile broadband card or dedicated data modem, but hopefully plenty of them get supported by the end of summer. -- Antti -- Matt Burkhardt, MSTM President Impari Systems, Inc. Phone: (301) 644-3911 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.imparisystems.com ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
Re: ANNOUNCE: Mobile Broadband Configuration Assistant
On Thu, 2008-04-10 at 07:08 -0700, Michael wrote: Hi, I have a Verizon broadband card and my experience has been that the card acts as a modem. I also use Fedora 7 and setting up the device in the Network applet as a modem allows NM to control the card as a dial-up connection. The specific card support is still required from the Verizon software to program the card for specific stuff (tower info, other programming - SPL). Although it would be nice to have some kind of signal strength meter... Unfortunately, the interfaces to get this additional data are all proprietary vendor interfaces, with the exception of a few Sierra GSM cards that accept AT commands on the second tty. So this is not currently possible without licensing the SDKs of each vendor and using non-free, binary blobs. Dan Michael On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Antti Kaijanmäki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to, 2008-04-10 kello 09:12 -0400, Matt Burkhardt kirjoitti: On Thu, 2008-04-10 at 16:00 +0300, Antti Kaijanmäki wrote: Hello, to, 2008-04-10 kello 14:15 +0400, Vitja Makarov kirjoitti: Hi! Nice to hear this. Are you going to add bluetooth support? vitja. I'm not going to add Bluetooth support to NetworkManager. At least that is not the plan right now. However there are some couple of weeks reserved for working on NetworkManager itself and thus if it's later decided I should work on Bluetooth support, I will. -- Antti ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list I am so happy you're working on this. I've been wanting to get a mobile broadband card, but Verizon only supports Linux for their Enterprise customers. Unfortunately I can't make any promises regarding any particular mobile broadband card or dedicated data modem, but hopefully plenty of them get supported by the end of summer. -- Antti -- Matt Burkhardt, MSTM President Impari Systems, Inc. Phone: (301) 644-3911 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.imparisystems.com ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list ___ NetworkManager-list mailing list NetworkManager-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/networkmanager-list
