Should network-manger manage virbr0 ?

2015-03-19 Thread Franck Routier (perso)

Hi list,

I'm using Ubuntu and just upgraded to (still in development) Vivid.
Now I see that network-manager handles my virbr0 bridge (libvirt), which 
it didn't before.

Vivid currently ships with nm 0.9.10.0.

I can't make a decision whether this is a (packaging ?) bug or an 
intended feature, and what will be the consequences of nm mananging virbr0.


Can anyone enlighten me ?

thanks,
Franck
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Re: Should network-manger manage virbr0 ?

2015-03-19 Thread Dan Williams
On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 09:18 +0100, Franck Routier (perso) wrote:
 Hi list,
 
 I'm using Ubuntu and just upgraded to (still in development) Vivid.
 Now I see that network-manager handles my virbr0 bridge (libvirt), which 
 it didn't before.

NM will recognize and manage all network interfaces, but that does not
mean that NM actually touches the interfaces.  If the interface already
has a configuration, NM simply assumes the existing configuration and
waits for you to tell it to do something.  That's a difference from
older versions of NM (0.9.8 and earlier) where NM was mostly ignorant of
existing configuration.

We know that NM 0.9.10 still has a few edge cases where it touches
interfaces and shouldn't, but almost all of those have already been
fixed in NM 1.0 and later.

Dan

 Vivid currently ships with nm 0.9.10.0.
 
 I can't make a decision whether this is a (packaging ?) bug or an 
 intended feature, and what will be the consequences of nm mananging virbr0.
 
 Can anyone enlighten me ?
 
 thanks,
 Franck
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Re: Should network-manger manage virbr0 ?

2015-03-19 Thread Franck Routier (perso)

Hi Dan,

thanks for your input.

The point is that virbr0 is handled differently than, say, vboxnet0:

virbr0 appears as Bridge (virbr0) and has a _disconnect_ option.
vboxnet0 appears as Ethernet Network (vboxnet0) and has no option, 
only saying device not managed...


I was under the impression that both should have been treated the same 
way. Isn't it the case ?


Franck

On 19/03/2015 15:23, Dan Williams wrote:

On Thu, 2015-03-19 at 09:18 +0100, Franck Routier (perso) wrote:

Hi list,

I'm using Ubuntu and just upgraded to (still in development) Vivid.
Now I see that network-manager handles my virbr0 bridge (libvirt), which
it didn't before.

NM will recognize and manage all network interfaces, but that does not
mean that NM actually touches the interfaces.  If the interface already
has a configuration, NM simply assumes the existing configuration and
waits for you to tell it to do something.  That's a difference from
older versions of NM (0.9.8 and earlier) where NM was mostly ignorant of
existing configuration.

We know that NM 0.9.10 still has a few edge cases where it touches
interfaces and shouldn't, but almost all of those have already been
fixed in NM 1.0 and later.

Dan


Vivid currently ships with nm 0.9.10.0.

I can't make a decision whether this is a (packaging ?) bug or an
intended feature, and what will be the consequences of nm mananging virbr0.

Can anyone enlighten me ?

thanks,
Franck
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