Re: [newbie] Default Terminal
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 06:23:13 +1000, Stephen wrote: On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 00:52, JoeHill wrote: Okay, I've tried google.ca/linux, the list archives, and the Twiki (perhaps not aggressively enough) Anyone got a quick answer as to how to change the default terminal, globally and/or per-user? TERM=whatever will do it. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Using Midnight Commander
On Thursday 14 October 2004 05:38 pm, Amichai Rotman wrote: What kind of an answer is that ?! Someone invests some time sending a legitimate question and you don't have the decency to show some respect ?! If you have nothing to say - don't say it !! And now for the answer: It is possible to change the colors, but it will require some reading of the Midnight Commander man page. Just look for the colors section. It has a very extensive guide to set up the colors you want. On Thursday 14 October 2004 23:56, et wrote: On Thursday 14 October 2004 17:09, Aron Smith wrote: I like MC except for that horrible color scheme any simple way to change it to one with higher contrast? yes Thanks guys I got it Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Broadband modems [solved]
I have received the following message regarding a PCI broadband modem, and am forwarding it just for information in case anyone is interested. Keith Not sure if the following refers to the same PCI modem, Keith, but it will hopefully be of some help: Subject: Re: Plusnet PCI ADSL Modem and Fedora 2 From: Simon Arlott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: plusnet.tech.linux Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 10:51:58 +0100 Rod wrote: Has anyone had any success in persuading Fedora 2 to recognise the PlusNet Connexant Access Runner PCI ADSL Modem. There seem to be many tutorials on the internet - but most of them warn against using the 2.6 kernel. http://patrick.spacesurfer.com/linux_conexant_pci_adsl.html http://patrick.spacesurfer.com/adsl/CnxADSL-6.1.2.007-PIM-2.6-1.1.tar.bz2 If anyone can find a link - or better still has succeeded themselves and would like to share their knowledge I would be eternally grateful. I'm using the above driver on 2.6 and it works fine, cat /proc/net/atm/CnxAdsl\:0 will give you the status of the ADSL connection. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Broadband modems [solved]
On Friday 15 October 2004 08:55, Keith Powell wrote: I have received the following message regarding a PCI broadband modem, and am forwarding it just for information in case anyone is interested. Keith Not sure if the following refers to the same PCI modem, Keith, but it will hopefully be of some help: --- - Subject: Re: Plusnet PCI ADSL Modem and Fedora 2 From: Simon Arlott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: plusnet.tech.linux Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 10:51:58 +0100 Rod wrote: Has anyone had any success in persuading Fedora 2 to recognise the PlusNet Connexant Access Runner PCI ADSL Modem. There seem to be many tutorials on the internet - but most of them warn against using the 2.6 kernel. http://patrick.spacesurfer.com/linux_conexant_pci_adsl.html http://patrick.spacesurfer.com/adsl/CnxADSL-6.1.2.007-PIM-2.6-1.1.tar.bz2 If anyone can find a link - or better still has succeeded themselves and would like to share their knowledge I would be eternally grateful. I'm using the above driver on 2.6 and it works fine, cat /proc/net/atm/CnxAdsl\:0 will give you the status of the ADSL connection. Keith The Access runner Conexant chip set is the one I warned you about. It is REALLY HARD to get working. I helped a friend get one working and it took 2 weeks of email support from a guy in New Zealand before it worked, and that was with the 2.4 kernel, now he dare not upgrade the kernel for fear it stops working. The problem is the driver is a binary driver which is no longer maintained by Conexant. Trust me, anything is preferable to that dog. If you search the Linux forum at adslguide.org you will find lots of posts from people trying to install that driver. derek -- www.jennings.homelinux.net http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Martian Source Messages
running dmesg i was getting a lot of packets labled martin source I did a quick fix? echo 0 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/log_martians butb can anyone tell me what is a martin source packet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Martian Source Messages
Aron Smith wrote: running dmesg i was getting a lot of packets labled martin source I did a quick fix? echo 0 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/log_martians butb can anyone tell me what is a martin source packet? Martian packets: http://martian-packet.wikiverse.org/ You can make the change permanent by adding to /etc/security/msec/level.local: from mseclib import * enable_log_strange_packets (no) raffaele Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Martian Source Messages
On Friday 15 October 2004 02:22 am, Raffaele BELARDI wrote: Aron Smith wrote: running dmesg i was getting a lot of packets labled martin source I did a quick fix? echo 0 /proc/sys/net/ipv4/conf/all/log_martians butb can anyone tell me what is a martin source packet? Martian packets: http://martian-packet.wikiverse.org/ You can make the change permanent by adding to /etc/security/msec/level.local: from mseclib import * enable_log_strange_packets (no) raffaele Thanks i guess i just didn't google the right places :-( Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Using Midnight Commander
On Friday 15 October 2004 02:36, Aron Smith wrote: On Thursday 14 October 2004 05:38 pm, Amichai Rotman wrote: What kind of an answer is that ?! Someone invests some time sending a legitimate question and you don't have the decency to show some respect ?! If you have nothing to say - don't say it !! And now for the answer: It is possible to change the colors, but it will require some reading of the Midnight Commander man page. Just look for the colors section. It has a very extensive guide to set up the colors you want. On Thursday 14 October 2004 23:56, et wrote: On Thursday 14 October 2004 17:09, Aron Smith wrote: I like MC except for that horrible color scheme any simple way to change it to one with higher contrast? yes Thanks guys I got it A MUCH better answer, really was yes, rtfm. along with complaining that the previous answer did not include 'RTFM', imho. But I knew Aron would (and probly had begun to) rtfm. BTW, I count Aron as a frien from the OT list, and I am sure that if he had had further problems, he would have asked a more specific question. the question, as I read it, was is it worth looking for the answer, or is this something that can not be done. also IMHO, RTFM is not an aswer to any specific question, thank you. ET -- linux counter #167806 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Excluding RPMs
Hi, You can put the names of the RPMs you don't want to install or upgrade in /etc/urpmi/skip.list. I have 'kernel-source' in mine, so that it gets ignored by urpmi --auto-select. Pablo Pablo Vitoria Garcia Dpto. Química Inorgánica, Facultad de Ciencias Universidad del País Vasco (UPV/EHU) Aptdo. 644 48080 Bilbao (Bizkaia) Tfno. 94 6015992 Fax. 94 6013500 - Original Message - From: Miark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 9:43 PM Subject: [newbie] Excluding RPMs | Is there a way to configure urpmi to ignore certain | RPMs when I do a urpmi --auto-select? | | Miark | | | | Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? | Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com | Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com | | Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
RE: [newbie] ProFTPD?
I had done this before, but after reloading I'm sure 100% sure of the syntax I used. Here's a snippet of the message I received in here explaining how to do what you want. -START You can use DefaultRoot to restrict users: http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/doc/contrib/ProFTPD-mini-HOWTO-Chroot.h tml Also, you can impose fine-grained per-FTP-command user access control using a combination of Directory and Limit sections: http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/doc/contrib/ProFTPD-mini-HOWTO-Limit.ht ml http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/doc/contrib/ProFTPD-mini-HOWTO-Director y.html I can work on the Virtual domain part of it after this is resolved, if it is. When you get to this point, the following might be useful: http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/doc/contrib/ProFTPD-mini-HOWTO-Vhost.ht ml -END Regards -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Todd Slater Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2004 11:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] ProFTPD? On Thu, Oct 14, 2004 at 10:41:20AM -0500, Eric Scott wrote: Heya. I have a server at work running Mandrake 9.2. I'm administering it remotely through webmin/vnc/ssh and all that fun stuff. Here's the problem: I want to set up my /var/www/html directory with limited FTP access. I can't figure out or find howtos on the webmin module for proftpd, and apparently I don't know how to work the /etc/proftp.conf file because the changes I make seem to make no difference. Can anybodye give me a basic howto to set this up? I'm not a very experienced linux user or server admin, so don't get to techy on me. :-) Thanx, ES You might consider not even running FTP, since you're running ssh you might as well use secure copy (scp). You can add your user to the apache group and assuming the group has write access to /var/www/html you can do: scp filetobecopied [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/www/html There's probably a gui out there for this (try freshmeat). I say to use scp just because if you can use it there's no need to run another service. But if you must run ftp, check out the sample configs on the proftpd site http://www.proftpd.org/docs/example-conf.html. I believe what you're looking for is the DefaultRoot directive. You may need to set up a group that has write access to /var/www/html and set default root to ~ (chroot/jail) for all users *except* members of your new group. Don't hold me to it cause it's been awhile since I messed with proftp. Todd Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Using Midnight Commander
et wrote: A MUCH better answer, really was yes, rtfm. along with complaining that the previous answer did not include 'RTFM', imho. But I knew Aron would (and probly had begun to) rtfm. BTW, I count Aron as a frien from the OT list, and I am sure that if he had had further problems, he would have asked a more specific question. the question, as I read it, was is it worth looking for the answer, or is this something that can not be done. also IMHO, RTFM is not an aswer to any specific question, thank you. ET IMHO, your posts to this thread are a waste of bandwidth. Please refrain from posting unless you've got something useful to contribute. This *is* the newbie list. Brandon Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Using Midnight Commander
No problem, Et, But you have to realize not all of the ppl on the list know the two of you are friends off-list and such answers (including RTFM) remind me of the BOFH answers I used to get from the SysAdmin I used to work with. There is a nice and diplomatic way to say everything (even RTFM). I guess you could answer him off-list Anyway - I've made my point and I am not looking for a debate on Netiquette. Cheers, On Friday 15 October 2004 12:10, et wrote: On Friday 15 October 2004 02:36, Aron Smith wrote: On Thursday 14 October 2004 05:38 pm, Amichai Rotman wrote: What kind of an answer is that ?! Someone invests some time sending a legitimate question and you don't have the decency to show some respect ?! If you have nothing to say - don't say it !! And now for the answer: It is possible to change the colors, but it will require some reading of the Midnight Commander man page. Just look for the colors section. It has a very extensive guide to set up the colors you want. On Thursday 14 October 2004 23:56, et wrote: On Thursday 14 October 2004 17:09, Aron Smith wrote: I like MC except for that horrible color scheme any simple way to change it to one with higher contrast? yes Thanks guys I got it A MUCH better answer, really was yes, rtfm. along with complaining that the previous answer did not include 'RTFM', imho. But I knew Aron would (and probly had begun to) rtfm. BTW, I count Aron as a frien from the OT list, and I am sure that if he had had further problems, he would have asked a more specific question. the question, as I read it, was is it worth looking for the answer, or is this something that can not be done. also IMHO, RTFM is not an aswer to any specific question, thank you. ET -- ::. Amichai Rotman The Jerusalem Linux Club - Founder. UIN#: 6401746 Registered Linux User#: 201192 --- PLEASE READ: http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html --- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Using Midnight Commander
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:19:44 -0400 Brandon Rife disseminated the following: IMHO, your posts to this thread are a waste of bandwidth. Now there's irony for ya, eh Ed? :-D -- JoeHill RLU / #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 09:45:36 up 72 days, 9:34, 3 users, load average: 0.08, 0.06, 0.09 +++ Rule $19.99 (Brad `Squid' Shapcott): The Internet *isn't* *free*. It just has an economy that makes no sense to capitalism. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Using Midnight Commander
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:36:56 +0200 Amichai Rotman disseminated the following: But you have to realize not all of the ppl on the list know the two of you are friends off-list and such answers ...so, if you don't know, then don't assume and reply the way you did. Let them sort it out themselves, instead of getting in the middle and ending up making the thread even longer, no? You will see the occasional 'zing' or 'jab' or smartass answer on here, best to stay out of it. -- JoeHill RLU / #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 09:49:44 up 72 days, 9:38, 3 users, load average: 0.04, 0.05, 0.08 +++ ...neoliberal globalisation is socially and politically suicidal. In 25 years, the ratio between average income in the advanced countries and the rest of the world has more than doubled, from 10.7 to 23.3 - the steepest increase in history. -- Alan Freeman, Guardian, Oct. 12 2004 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] MS Access in Linux
I have an upcomming need to be able to manipulate and use a database written in MS Access. Anyone know of a program that will allow me to do this in Mandrake? GPL Preferred, but curious of anything out there. I'm trying to do everything I used to in Linux, without the need for dual boot if possible. Thanks, Elliot Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS Access in Linux
On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:47:07 -0700 Elliot Somers disseminated the following: I have an upcomming need to be able to manipulate and use a database written in MS Access. Anyone know of a program that will allow me to do this in Mandrake? GPL Preferred, but curious of anything out there. I'm trying to do everything I used to in Linux, without the need for dual boot if possible. IIANM, Rekall is what you want. -- JoeHill RLU / #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 13:56:37 up 72 days, 13:45, 5 users, load average: 0.27, 0.20, 0.12 +++ Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power -- Benito Mussolini Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS Access in Linux
JoeHill wrote: On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:47:07 -0700 Elliot Somers disseminated the following: I have an upcomming need to be able to manipulate and use a database written in MS Access. Anyone know of a program that will allow me to do this in Mandrake? GPL Preferred, but curious of anything out there. I'm trying to do everything I used to in Linux, without the need for dual boot if possible. IIANM, Rekall is what you want. I didn't know Rekall handled access docs, I thought it was a GUI frontend for MySQL.. but I'm fairly sure staroffice does.. (Staroffice has the DB app that openoffice.org is missing.) -- rgds Franki Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS Access in Linux
On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 12:47, Elliot Somers wrote: I have an upcomming need to be able to manipulate and use a database written in MS Access. Anyone know of a program that will allow me to do this in Mandrake? GPL Preferred, but curious of anything out there. I'm trying to do everything I used to in Linux, without the need for dual boot if possible. Thanks, Elliot You can do this with OpenOffice. Much information and tutorials here: http://dba.openoffice.org/index.html -- N. B. Day Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS Access in Linux
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 02:46:07 +0800 frankieh disseminated the following: I have an upcomming need to be able to manipulate and use a database written in MS Access. Anyone know of a program that will allow me to do this in Mandrake? GPL Preferred, but curious of anything out there. I'm trying to do everything I used to in Linux, without the need for dual boot if possible. IIANM, Rekall is what you want. I didn't know Rekall handled access docs, I thought it was a GUI frontend for MySQL.. but I'm fairly sure staroffice does.. (Staroffice has the DB app that openoffice.org is missing.) You would know more about that than I :-) I was reading this (good ol' google.com/linux): http://www.rekallrevealed.org/toplevel/about/drivers.shtml -- JoeHill RLU / #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 15:34:35 up 72 days, 15:23, 5 users, load average: 0.33, 0.14, 0.09 +++ When you give food to the poor, they call you a saint. When you ask why the poor have no food, they call you a communist. -- Archbishop Helder Camara Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Kernel source
Hello all, I just installed Mandrake 10.1 community and am running kernel 2.6.8.1-10smp which is working real well for me this time. I need the kernel source. Question is I see only a kernel source 2.6.8.1-10 (does not say smp) is this what i need or should i be looking for something else ? Regards, Dan Gordon -- Fri Oct 15 17:09:18 EDT 2004 17:09:18 up 1:01, 2 users, load average: 0.07, 0.11, 0.09 My EARS are GONE!! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Kernel source
On Friday 15 October 2004 04:13 pm, Dan Gordon wrote: Hello all, I just installed Mandrake 10.1 community and am running kernel 2.6.8.1-10smp which is working real well for me this time. I need the kernel source. Question is I see only a kernel source 2.6.8.1-10 (does not say smp) is this what i need or should i be looking for something else ? Hi Dan. That's what you need. Grab that, then install it. Then go into the /usr/src/linux directory, and do as follows: # make mrproper # cp /boot/config-`uname -r` .config # make oldconfig # vi Makefile (set the EXTRAVERSION to what you have) Your kernel source should then be properly prepared for your kernel, and you'll be good to go. -- Take care, Randall Hobbs Programmer - System Administrator - Chip Castle Dot Com, Inc. Web Hosting * Programming * Software http://www.chipcastle.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS Access in Linux
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 04:46, frankieh wrote: I didn't know Rekall handled access docs, I thought it was a GUI frontend for MySQL.. but I'm fairly sure staroffice does.. (Staroffice has the DB app that openoffice.org is missing.) Rekall supports numerous backends, including PostreSQL, XBase and ODBC, not just mySQL. John. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Default Terminal
On Friday 15 October 2004 01:15 am, Miark wrote: On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 06:23:13 +1000, Stephen wrote: On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 00:52, JoeHill wrote: Okay, I've tried google.ca/linux, the list archives, and the Twiki (perhaps not aggressively enough) Anyone got a quick answer as to how to change the default terminal, globally and/or per-user? TERM=whatever will do it. Miark I've changed mine in KDE by opening control center personalization Konsole unchecking use Konsole as default and entering Eterm as Default_Terminal: -- Chris Registered Linux User 283774 http://counter.li.org 7:42pm up 12 days, 3:36, 1 user, load average: 0.72, 0.58, 0.58 Q: What do agnostic, insomniac dyslexics do at night? A: Stay awake and wonder if there's a dog. Live - From Virgin Radio UK Manfred Mann - Blinded By The Light Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] MS Access in Linux
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 03:47, Elliot Somers wrote: I have an upcomming need to be able to manipulate and use a database written in MS Access. Anyone know of a program that will allow me to do this in Mandrake? GPL Preferred, but curious of anything out there. I'm trying to do everything I used to in Linux, without the need for dual boot if possible. Thanks, Elliot Access databases are problematic on Linux, as M$ has not well documented the format. There's packages in contrib called mdbtools and mdbtools-gui that allow you to read Access97, Access2000 and Access2002 databases, but not write to them (currently under development). I'm not sure if the GUI actually supports Access forms. They also provide an ODBC driver, which is what OpenOffice is making use of, so any ODBC aware front-end should be able to read the data, if not use the forms. See http://mdbtools.sourceforge.net/ and for more details. Worst comes to worst, have you considered using Win4Lin, saves on the re-booting at any rate. John. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Kernel source
On Friday 15 October 2004 07:33 pm, Randall D. Hobbs wrote: On Friday 15 October 2004 04:13 pm, Dan Gordon wrote: Hello all, I just installed Mandrake 10.1 community and am running kernel 2.6.8.1-10smp which is working real well for me this time. I need the kernel source. Question is I see only a kernel source 2.6.8.1-10 (does not say smp) is this what i need or should i be looking for something else ? Hi Dan. That's what you need. Grab that, then install it. Then go into the /usr/src/linux directory, and do as follows: # make mrproper # cp /boot/config-`uname -r` .config # make oldconfig # vi Makefile (set the EXTRAVERSION to what you have) Your kernel source should then be properly prepared for your kernel, and you'll be good to go. I tryed this but when trying to install nvidia drivers the error I get is something about not being able to determin the source version. I have had these problems with smp before so i think im just going to reinstall with a regular kernel and source and try again. Thanks for the info I may try this again soon but right now I need things running by tomorrow. Regards, Dan Gordon -- Fri Oct 15 20:49:12 EDT 2004 20:49:12 up 10 min, 2 users, load average: 0.44, 0.25, 0.11 I need to discuss BUY-BACK PROVISIONS with at least six studio SLEAZEBALLS!! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] KDE TV
Hallo everyone I have done a lsmod in linux and the modules was not installed Can some show me how to load the modules and config KDE TV ? Thanks Gregory _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Using Midnight Commander
On Fri, 2004-10-15 at 09:36, Amichai Rotman wrote: No problem, Et, But you have to realize not all of the ppl on the list know the two of you are friends off-list and such answers (including RTFM) remind me of the BOFH answers I used to get from the SysAdmin I used to work with. There is a nice and diplomatic way to say everything (even RTFM). I guess you could answer him off-list Anyway - I've made my point and I am not looking for a debate on Netiquette. OK, well while we are on the topic of netiquette, I believe that the etiquette rules specific to this list state that top posting is strictly discouraged. http://mandrake.vmlinuz.ca/bin/view/Main/MandrakeMailingListEtiquette There's been alot of it lately, especially on the Expert list. LX -- Trouble with sound? Dump Alsa with an upgrade to the best: get your free high quality OSS drivers at www.opensound.com Superior features, superior API, better support. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
