Re: [newbie] Quake
Me too.. Epic is doing the same thing.. Making the Linux client available for download instaed of including it on the CD.. I guess we cant expect miracles overnight.. At least companies are starting to recognize that Linux users want to play games. - Original Message - From: Seth Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 21, 1999 1:17 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Quake On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, you wrote: update. ( you can see it for yourself by going to the console or xterm window and typing 'finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] | more') Oh yah. . .totally. . .ive worked in the software industry hehe. . ."when its done" is quite a mantra there. . .yah i been following plans and stuff. . .was pretty disappointed to see no simultaneous ship date): -- Seth Gibson www.mp3.com/PSM0x2710 members.tripod.com/cybernetic_thunder (Under Construction) The Functional Design of the UNIX Operating System is probably one of the few truly beautiful things left in the world.
Re: [newbie] Quake
On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, you wrote: I'm still waiting (myself) to find out where/when I can buy the Linux version of Q3 Arena. :-) I called Id software on Friday and they said they don't have a release date yet. :-( Yah rumor was nov 24, then dec 7. . .according to folks at all the comp shops i been to. What i understand from reading the plans of id staff, it seems that the Elite (tin box) edition won't have linux binaries, additionally, the Linux version WILL NOT ship simultaneously with the Win/Mac versions as originally planned. Linux binaries will not be able for dload until post xmas, mainly for the purpose of collecting stats. If a software dealer gives you a hard date for the release of any Id game, they are making it up.. Anyone that has followed John Carmack and co. over the last few years knows that they never give hard release dates. They always release the game "When Its Done". Todd Hollenshead, the CEO for Id software had this to say in a recent finger update. ( you can see it for yourself by going to the console or xterm window and typing 'finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] | more') Here is Todds update: 11-14-1999 Demo Test notes: As Graeme indicated, this is a preliminary release. We are retaining the prohibition on physical media distribution until we release the final or "gold" demo. That means that magazines will NOT be allowed to distribute this version of the demo on coverdisks. This is marked all over the test, however I would appreciate it if all of the Quake 3 and game site webmasters that are mirroring or covering the release would lend me a hand and make sure our friendly neighborhood game and computer magazines understand this. Rest assured, we will allow physical media distribution of the final demo, once it is released, but not yet. Second, although the 1-800-idgames number is on the screen, we (id) aren't accepting orders yet. Also, please remember that number is not for technical support for Quake III Arena, the demo test, or any other id game. Feedback, bugs, etc., in the demo test should still be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Finally, before the crazy speculation starts, we aren't done with the game yet. We will be finished "when it's done!" Again, anyone besides id claiming to have the official release date is just pulling your chain.
Re: [newbie] GAIM
I'm using GAIM 0.9.10 on my work machine.. It works fine for me. I had problems with previous versions locking up while trying to connect, but thats because my work machine was behind a firewall and versions of GAIM prior to 0.9.9 did not work well with a proxy or firewall. Are you running one of the more current versions or an older version? - Original Message - From: Karen M. Heiby [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 2:09 AM Subject: [newbie] GAIM Is anyone else noticing GAIM (AOL Instant Messenger) is freezing upon connecting? I wonder if AOL might have anyone not using their version of AOL IM for Windows blocked from their system? Like they're doing to MSN Messenger? My other concern is that I had a friend here trying to get my modem to work. Is there a remote chance something he did could be causing GAIM to not connect? I didn't think so, because my ICQ-clone programs are still working fine. I have been deleting and reinstalling GAIM and this is the first time ever that it's freezing up on me, after using it for a month. When I use Windows 98, my AOL IM in that is working fine. Karen
Re: [newbie] Choose Pentium? OR 586?
You are correct... The P-II/P-III/Celeron/Xeon are all based on the Pentium Pro. There have been changes like MMX and Katmai as well as the process shrinking from .35 micron for the P-Pro to .25 for the P-II/P-II/Celeron and then .18 micron for the new Coppermine P-III processors. There have also been cache changes.. The P-Pro had cache on the die that ran at the speed of the CPU and came in 256k, 512k, and 1 meg varieties. The P-II and early P-III had 512k of 1/2 speed cache on the slot card. The first celerons had no L2 cache at all.. The second gen Celerons have 128k of full speed cache on the chip die. The Coppermine chips have 256k of full speed cache on the chip also.. I believe some of the instruction pipelining for the FPU has been improved over the last 5 years as well.. However, the main instruction set for the CPU remains unchanged since the P-Pro came out in late 1995. Intel's 7th generation processor is supposed to be released 4th quarter 2000. It has been code named Merced for the last 4 years or so.. The actual product name "Itanium" was recently announced. It will be a true 64 bit processor and completely incompatible with all x86 code, unless someone decides to create an emulator for it. - Original Message - From: Matt Stegman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 6:31 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Choose Pentium? OR 586? On 5 Nov, John Aldrich wrote: On Fri, 05 Nov 1999, you wrote: Hi, In menuconfig, (I have a feeling this is a dumb question) I automatically have 386 with an "X" next to it. I have a Pentium 233 mHz. Is that technically a 586? I'm not sure whether to tell it that or Pentium. My Linux book says to check 586 but I'm not sure why. Yes! A Pentium is a 586-class processor. I think Technically a Pentium is a 586, a Pentium Pro is a 686, a PII would be a 786, and a PIII would be an 886 Not quite. P-II and P-III are both 686 processors. The first (or so I hear) truly 7th generation x86 processor on the market is AMD's Athlon processor. The P-III is just a hyped up P-II, which is just a P-Pro with MMX. Of course, I'm over-simplfying, but I believe I'm mostly correct. I do know for sure that neither the P-II nor P-III qualify as anything more than a "686" processor. -- -Matt Stegman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie] Choose Pentium? OR 586?
- Original Message - From: Matt Stegman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Choose Pentium? OR 586? On 8 Nov, Darin Martin wrote: There have also been cache changes.. The P-Pro had cache on the die that ran at the speed of the CPU and came in 256k, 512k, and 1 meg varieties. We're talking about L2 cache here, right? I didn't know that P-Pros had full speed cache. I always thought that was only on Celerons. Was this on all P-Pros? Yes.. This is all dealing with L2 cache.. All P-Pro versions had full speed cache on the chip. Thats the primary reason the P-Pro was so expensive when it was released. Today, even the 1 meg P-Pro chips are still pretty expensive.. Around $350 each. One other advantage the P-Pro had was its scalability. The chipsets for the P-Pro could easily support 4 way SMP. And 6 and 8 way SMP were attainable with minor modifications as well. The P-II couldnt scale beyond 2 way until the Xeon came out, and even then could only scale to 4 way until just very recently. The on-chip L2 cache gave the P-Pro a serious advantage over early P-II chips too.. Before I added the second CPU to my P-Pro system, I could easily get higher framerates in Quake, Unreal, etc.. than my friends that had P-II 233 systems. Intel's 7th generation processor is supposed to be released 4th quarter 2000. It has been code named Merced for the last 4 years or so.. The actual product name "Itanium" was recently announced. It will be a true 64 bit processor and completely incompatible with all x86 code, unless someone decides to create an emulator for it. I've heard about Merced (sorry, I mean Itanium- couldn't they come up with a better name?), but haven't been following it as much as the Athlon. I suppose I'm more of an AMD guy than an Intel fellow. Plus, buying an Athlon will let me reap the benefits of a mature x86 chip while waiting for Merced (whoops again, but "Itanium" doesn't roll off the tongue as easily as "Merced") to bloom. Also, what is Intel supposed to do with Merced that Digital (um... Compaq... I'm not good with names this morning) hasn't put into the Alpha processor? I suppose it's always good to have competition, but does Intel really expect to dent this market? I suppose if Microsoft puts NT on Merced, that will help a lot. Especially since they no longer support Alpha. Is this their plan all along? MS is reportedly working on Win2k for the Merced/Itanium. From what I've heard, they will not have anything ready for at least a year or two *after* the Itanium is released. However, Linux will probably be available for Itanium shortly after its release.. I've read a few articles about compiler development for the Itanium.. This is a tremendous chance for Linux to get a giant leap ahead of MS in the server and high end workstation market. Personally, I'll be building a K7 system as soon as a better chipset solution is available from VIA or ALI. I think that the K7 has far more potential than the Coppermine and even the Itanium. The big problem for Itanium is that there will be no backwards compatibility with x86 technology. That means little hardware or software support on initial release unless people start development now. The K7 and the K8 (code name Sledgehammer) are going to keep Intel in a #2 spot for a long time to come..
Re: [newbie] Choose Pentium? OR 586?
- Original Message - From: Damien Mc Kenna [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Choose Pentium? OR 586? It has been code named Merced for the last 4 years or so.. BING! Wrong. Merced is a different technology (IA-64) that HP is designing for Intel using some of the HP-PA wizardry. The first chip in that series seems like it won't be much faster than the 786 chips due next year... ... which are called Williamette. They'll be Intel's first official 786 chips and will probably have a number of similar tricks to AMD's Athlon to speed things up yet again. Umm.. Sorry, but you are in fact, incorrect... Go to this site... http://developer.intel.com/design/IA64/index.htm?iid=search+IA642; And, if you go to this page, you will see the IA-32 is targeted at mainstram desktop, mobile, and low end server/workstations while the IA-64 (Merced) is targeted at high-end servers. http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/speeches/MPF1097A.HTM The Merced (aka Itanium) uses the IA-64 architecture which is backward compatible with IA-32.. But the Willamete design is IA-32 only.. Not IA-64.
Re: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor)
- Original Message - From: Sam Gentile [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 1:37 PM Subject: RE: [newbie] MS releases new Windows and NT Keyboard (humor) Oh, everyone who doesn't agree with your viewpoint is a "Microsoft plant?" No, I am just an Engineer who has used both since 1993. You're spreading crap and it's UN-professional as well as false. Have you used Windows NT? Have you used Windows 2000 for 6 months as I have? No? THEN DON'T MAKE STATEMENTS OUT OF YOUR BEHIND. I have told you the truth - I have been running for 6 months and instead you choose to believe myths instead of direct experience. You must admit that this is probably not the best place to push MS and its agenda. However, from my perspective, MS and its products just do not perform the way they could/should. And, before you say I know nothing about MS... I have been a beta tester for MS products since Win 95 was called Chicago. I have been to MS offices in Dallas and Seattle.. I have instructor certification from MS. Not just MCSE or MCP, but Instructor certification. I have run most every MS product in existance since 1990. I am a Unix engineer by trade also.. My employer was using NT 4 and IIS as the company web server for all of our web-based products up until very recently.. We switched to Solaris and Netscape Enterprise Server.. The reason for the change? The IIS servers would crash on a regular basis and, when they were up the 3 systems they were running on (Dual P-II 450 Compaq servers) couldnt keep up with the workload. Since switching to NES just over a month ago, we have reached 10,000,000 (Yes, Ten Million) hits per day. with two dual cpu Sun servers. NES has had exactly two problems in the last month and both of those were caused by router failures. You can't blame this on "poorly written software" because we were using Microsoft's own web server. We have MCSE certified engineers on site to handle the configuration of the servers and even MS themselves looked at our configuration and could find no problems with it. The problem is that NT and yes, Win 2k still needs time to mature. It is not ready to be an enterprise level OS. It might be OK for file and print serving, but forget mission-critical applications where a companys future depends on solid, robust, stable performance. I too have run Win2k since the early betas have come out. While I am impressed with the improvements they have made, it still has a way to go before it will be on a level with Solaris or Linux. And, do I run MS operating systems at home? Yes.. I like to watch movies and play games.. Those are 2 things that Linux does not do well at this point.. In time, that will change. And, if you're not completely convinced by my statements, then I ask you why Microsoft themselves could not get their Hotmail service to run on NT and IIS reliably? When they purchased Hotmail, it was running on Solaris and Apache. They tried to cut over, but again IIS and NT could not handle the workload and would not stay up. So, to this day Hotmail still runs on Solaris and Apache. Now, I'm not going to blindly say that Unix/Linux/Solaris never crashes.. They do crash some times.. But their reliability far exceeds that of NT/95/98/Win2k. I'm not "making statements out of my behind either". I have the experience.. I've been there.. I've got the t-shirt. Darin - Sr. Systems Engineer LEXIS-NEXIS My opinions are my own.. Not my emplyers.. So there..
