Re: [newbie] Resending question 1
Actually, it looks like there is source. There's an src folder in the archive, and it contains source files. The only INSTALL file is one with install instructions, that says - 1) make 2) make install 3) insmod pctel.o 4) insmod ptserial.o And, scanning those with modprobe revealed it doesn't quite work because of .a files, which need to have something done with them. Is here anyone to whom I should send the package to see what to do? Solver - Original Message - From: Tim Barnard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Resending question 1 When you downloaded the drivers, did the download include source code? If so, you should find a file under the directory where the source was installed called INSTALL or sometimes INSTALL.unx. Read that file to find out how to rebuild dsp.a for your kernel version. If the download did not come with source, go back to the site where you downloaded the drivers and see if source is available. The file dsp.a is a non-sharable binary. You'll likely need to recompile it for your kernel. Tim - Original Message - From: Solver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Linux Newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 8:34 AM Subject: [newbie] Resending question 1 I am resending my first time now, to me it is plain text, checked three times :). OK, I have clarified the fact that my WinModem is supported under Linux! I again downloaded the drivers, this time for my kernel version, it all worked nice, but now I wonder about one thing. One of the modules I insmod , refers to dsp.a file, which is also in the driver directory, but when I try to check the module with modprobe, I get an error message saying that can't find kernel version for which dsp.a is compiled. If I delete it, the module protests that he needs that file. Now, how do I deal with the .a file, inserting it, and then, finally, my modem WILL WORK! Please help me with this, as it's my best dream to get modem working, and get rid of Windows. To be specific, only leave it as a OS I use for playing games. Yes, that's true - I don't think I should get rid of this totally, for some good games are only for Windows. Solver -- -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Resending question 2
A question then. Can Linux users get HTML stuff, like newsletters, under KMAIL, or must they choose Plain Text? Solver - Original Message - From: Matt Greer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Resending question 2 on 8/23/01 10:35 AM, Solver at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Resending as HTML this time, with HUGE letters. Just don't send as HTML at all. If you send plain text then it's up to us and our email clients to decide how large or small to view it. If you send as plain text, you can't go wrong. HTML is just a guaranteed annoyance, especially on a computer mailing list where people are aware of these kinds of things. Matt _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Why won't you help me?
May I send you the source code, please? I have it. Solver - Original Message - From: civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Solver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 5:00 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Why won't you help me? On Wednesday 22 August 2001 11:12, Solver wrote: People, why didn't anybody reply to my message, .a files for modules? I would like some clue as to what the problem is, please, not necessarily the solution for it. Please reply to it. Solver dsp.a is not a linux construct. It is apparently a property of a binary-only driver that is as clear to everyone as a black box. If the driver does not have built-in capabilities for dealing with dsp.a, then your driver is incomplete. Of course, if the driver is supplied in source, 100%, then it is likely I could help you, because then I have a means of discovering the meaning of this odd protocol. That's why no one is helping. Now theoretically it is possible to disassemble the code to source of a sort and proceed to reverse engineer the driver. The Digital Millenium Copyright Act of 1998 which also governs the activities of foreign nationals in foreign countries if they should ever happen to visit the US (As Dmitry Sklyarov discovered) most likely makes it a felony to do this for your winmodem. That's another reason no one is helping. I might like to return to the US someday. And folks, set your KMail to ALWAYS show the same fonts, and you will have no more problems from win-1252 or win-1257 encodings. Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Resending question 2
Resending as HTML this time, with HUGE letters. OK, I have clarified the fact that my WinModem is supported under Linux! Iagain downloaded the drivers, this time for my kernel version, it all workednice, but now I wonder about one thing. One of the modules I insmod , refersto dsp.a file, which is also in the driver directory, but when I try tocheck the module with modprobe, I get an error message saying that can'tfind kernel version for which dsp.a is compiled. If I delete it, the moduleprotests that he needs that file.Now, how do I deal with the .a file, inserting it, and then, finally, mymodem WILL WORK!Please help me with this, as it's my best dream to get modem working, andget rid of Windows. To be specific, only leave it as a OS I use for playinggames. Yes, that's true - I don't think I should get rid of this totally,for some good games are only for Windows.Solver
[newbie] Accessing ext2 from Windows
Most modern Linux distributions can read and write to FAT, and read NTFS systems. I wonder if there are any drivers, which allow Windows to read, and preferably read-write to ext2 partitions. Solver Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Resending question 1
I am resending my first time now, to me it is plain text, checked three times :). OK, I have clarified the fact that my WinModem is supported under Linux! I again downloaded the drivers, this time for my kernel version, it all worked nice, but now I wonder about one thing. One of the modules I insmod , refers to dsp.a file, which is also in the driver directory, but when I try to check the module with modprobe, I get an error message saying that can't find kernel version for which dsp.a is compiled. If I delete it, the module protests that he needs that file. Now, how do I deal with the .a file, inserting it, and then, finally, my modem WILL WORK! Please help me with this, as it's my best dream to get modem working, and get rid of Windows. To be specific, only leave it as a OS I use for playing games. Yes, that's true - I don't think I should get rid of this totally, for some good games are only for Windows. Solver Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Why won't you help me?
People, why didn't anybody reply to my message, .a files for modules? I would like some clue as to what the problem is, please, not necessarily the solution for it. Please reply to it. Solver Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Why won't you help me?
I take it as a joke, as it was sent in Plain Text, anyway. In despair, Solver - Original Message - From: Harvey Janson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Solver [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Why won't you help me? The fonts in your msg are too small for me to read without straining my eyes. I am using KMail. Perhaps, other people also had trouble reading your post. peace, Harvey On Wednesday 22 August 2001 11:12, Solver wrote: People, why didn't anybody reply to my message, .a files for modules? I would like some clue as to what the problem is, please, not necessarily the solution for it. Please reply to it. Solver Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1257; name=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] .a files for modules
OK, I have clarified the fact that my WinModem is supported under Linux! I again downloaded the drivers, this time for my kernel version, it all worked nice, but now I wonder about one thing. One of the modules I insmod , refers to dsp.a file, which is also in the driver directory, but when I try to check the module with modprobe, I get an error message saying that can't find kernel version for which dsp.a is compiled. If I delete it, the module protests that he needs that file. Now, how do I deal with the .a file, inserting it, and then, finally, my modem WILL WORK! Please help me with this, as it's my best dream to get modem working, and get rid of Windows. To be specific, only leave it as a OS I use for playing games. Yes, that's true - I don't think I should get rid of this totally, for some good games are only for Windows. Solver Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] New OS in LILO/GRUB menu
Unsure about what LILO uses, but if you have GRUB, there's a folder /boot/grub , which contains the output messages, and the menu itself. In fact, you can edit the files by hand, but it's not recommended to. Solver - Original Message - From: alex [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 4:16 PM Subject: [newbie] New OS in LILO/GRUB menu Let's say you have Mandrake 8.0 whose LILO and GRUB boot perfectly. Then, you decide to add another OS that doesn't include a boot loader Will the new OS automatically be added to MDK8.0's LILO/GRUB boot menu and if not, how do you get it onto the menu? I'm guessing that something has to be edited into MDK8.0's /etc/lilo.conf, but what? Does GRUB use the same boot file as LILO or does it have its own? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Driver installing
That's where the driver comes from :). Actually, questions is - what may cause such errors to occur, what does it mean? Solver - Original Message - From: D. Hoyem [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Linux Newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 7:27 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Driver installing Solver, Go to linmodems.org and there you wshould find some help on resolving your modem problems. I'm not familiar with the pctel modem, sorry. Don --- Solver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know. However, these drivers do work, they just don't get installed. I heard people use this driver. Solver - Original Message - From: etharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Solver [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Linux Newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Driver installing I suspect you are begining to learn the difference between a suported modem and a winmodem. Sorry I ain't more help here, but I am one of the mass that said, gee, a modem that _IS_ supported might be SoOoOo much easier. On Monday 13 August 2001 07:34, Solver wrote: Recently, I have downloaded some drivers in tar packages and nicely untarred them. After making the driver, what I got was two modules, and I had to insert each with insmod to get my stuff work. First was inserted nicely, but after giving command insmod to the second, it printed several unresolved symbol messages, like this: pctel.o: unresolved symbol bh_mask , and so on. I also tried to use different parameters with insmod, but same success. I heard that such errors tend to occur, but I would like to now what are possible reasons for this. I use LM 8.0, with it's default kernel version. Damn, I've learned something about Linux now, and am no longer a complete newbie, I have even compiled a small program myself, but now got in such a stupid situation :(. Solver Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1; name=Attachment: 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Driver installing
I know. However, these drivers do work, they just don't get installed. I heard people use this driver. Solver - Original Message - From: etharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Solver [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Linux Newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 13, 2001 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Driver installing I suspect you are begining to learn the difference between a suported modem and a winmodem. Sorry I ain't more help here, but I am one of the mass that said, gee, a modem that _IS_ supported might be SoOoOo much easier. On Monday 13 August 2001 07:34, Solver wrote: Recently, I have downloaded some drivers in tar packages and nicely untarred them. After making the driver, what I got was two modules, and I had to insert each with insmod to get my stuff work. First was inserted nicely, but after giving command insmod to the second, it printed several unresolved symbol messages, like this: pctel.o: unresolved symbol bh_mask , and so on. I also tried to use different parameters with insmod, but same success. I heard that such errors tend to occur, but I would like to now what are possible reasons for this. I use LM 8.0, with it's default kernel version. Damn, I've learned something about Linux now, and am no longer a complete newbie, I have even compiled a small program myself, but now got in such a stupid situation :(. Solver Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1; name=Attachment: 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] X Loading trouble
I wonder why this always happens to me, after several days of using Linux. When I type startx in the command prompt, the violet screen comes up, but the GNOME won't appear - or it takes it some 5 minutes to appear, in meantime the PC doesn't even think. Why this happens? The only solution I've found is reinstalling Linux, but there must be something else. At least, how do I reinstall only X? Solver
Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
No, no Bill's richness means little to me. Perhaps he's right, only some need to do this. Of course, I didn't buy Office XP! It's all piracy - I rarely buy something legally. I know Dragon is the leader, but haven't seen it at piracy shops. Just wondering about the Kernel. It's possible to compile, but even of Linux users, not everyone does it. Still, what majority users want is simple to use OS, that they can't screw up - while one typo in kernel can and will make you format it and reinstall. Solver - Original Message - From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Solver [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Linux-Mandrake Newbie List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 3:57 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 21:32, Solver wrote: Just as a note - I wouldn't mind if MS had my password. I would only mind if they could erase hard drive. If they had your password they COULD erase your hard drive. They could get your e-mail, your credit card deails (if you ever typed them into your computer) -- in fact anything they wanted, from you. And if you didn't use a variant of NT (Win 95/98/ME) you wouldn't even have a password. You would be left wide-open for any script-kiddie to exploit. And if you DID use a variant of NT, you would still be vulnerable, since everybody knows that MS has a bad track record with bugs, security and virii. I hate when I reboot it twice a day, too. I reboot my computer once a week on average (i.e. I get about a week of uptime). This rebooting is not due to any problem, it's just because I feel like it. In my two years of using GNU/Linux I have only had a few system crashes. Sure, individual applications crash, but this doesn't affect the rest of the system, and I can just restart that programme and work as before. I have Office XP, and the voice recognition really helps. Can't wait for it in StarOffice. IBM ViaVoice, which is FAR better than the voice recognition in XP (IBM and Dragon are the best in the field), is also available for GNU/Linux. BTW, did you actually PAY that much money for Office XP? I can't remember when I last paid for software (I think it was 1998, when Windows came pre-installed on my then-new machine). When I bought a PC, I was asked, do I want it's C: drive formatted, and said yes. Bill Gates said that the fact that everyone can recompile the source code is what he doesn't like about Linux. Perhaps he's right. Are you KIDDING?! What is wrong with being able to do that? That has got to be Linux's greatest strength! You can compile a kernel (or even a whole system) to suit YOUR own machine, not some thing that MS wants you to buy to get optimal performance. I can customise my kernel to have what I want, making it fully optimised for my particular combination of hardware. For example, Mandrake's RPMs come pre-compiled for an i586 (Pentium-class) procesors. I can squeeze a bit of extra performance by recompiling the SRPM to an i686 binary, since I have a Pentium II. If I have a multi-processor system, I can compile for SMP, and take advantage of features like multi-processor threading far better than a pre-compiled Windows. Similarly, if I want to run GNU/Linux on a i386, I can compile for that. What is WIndows XP optimised for? My guess would be i686, i.e. a Pentium II or III. Try running it on anything lower, and it will work painfully slow -- not just because it is bloated and not designed for those processors, but also because it is not and cannot be compiled for these processors. Similarly, if I had an Athlon or a Pentium IV (or an Alpha, a Power PC, a Sparc, an ARM, etc.), I could compile my system for that processor especially, hence taking full advantage of that particular processor. Windows, being closed-source, cannot do this. GNU/Linux has the potential to make use of new processor features like MMX, 3DNow! and Streaming SIMD (AKA MMX2) far more efficiently and far better than can Windows, or any Microsoft product for that matter. Did Uncle Bill actually give a reason for his concern, or do you just believe him because he's rich? Windows could be more customizable, though, even remaining closed-source. Windows can never be as configurable as GNU/Linux if it remains closed soiurce. The best they can do is have options (or even auto-detection) for features like MMX or multiple processors. This doesn't mean they are (or can be) optimised for them, though. Solver - Original Message - From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Solver [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Linux Newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2001 5:03 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft On Sat, 16 Jun 2001 04:48, Solver wrote: I love Microsoft. I respect Bill Gates. Not only they ain't my enemies - they are my friends. Yes, I like Linux, it's enhanced functionality and especially stability
Re: [newbie] Wow
Gm. Running a machine that was something amazing when bought, but nothing spectacular now, not being upgraded since then - 466MHz, 64 RAM, 9 Gb HDD, 6 years old monitor (just love that one), 32 MB video RAM. As there's only one game I really play much, and this isn't like Quake, which takes resources, I can live with this. For development, this is thus far enough, at least in Windows. When I work on Linux Kernel, will probably want to add another 64 MB to my RAM. Solver - Original Message - From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jay needs a Guinness [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Linux List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:58, Jay needs a Guinness wrote: You are chugging?!!??!! I still have a Compaq 2266 with a Cyrix 225MHz. Thank God I installed more RAM and a new hard drive. Me PC is horribly obsolete. But, not to disappoint you all, the new computer I buy will be the new Dual Proc Mac with OS X. I refuse to buy Win ever again, and I miss Macs. If I didn't have 256MB of RAM and a 12GB hard drive (which was absolutely massive when I bought it in 1998), I would've gone nuts a long time ago. My computer may be a bit on the slow side, but it's *just* (only just) fast enough to run GNOME with apps like Konqueror with anti-aliased fonts. I hope you don't plan on abandoning GNU/Linux entirely. Remember, Mandrake have a PPC Mac version in the works -- it's currently at the beta 1 stage, so it should be out quite soon. It even has a nifty app (Mac on Linux) that'll allow you to run Mac apps in Linux! If you're interested, there's a good FAQ list for Mac on Linux at http://www.ibrium.se/linux/overview.html. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] Wow
Scream or buy his PC. Solver - Original Message - From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]; newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 4:33 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow Lucky dog! If you are trying to make us feel jealous you are doing an excellent job. I'm still chugging along with a Pentium II 350 (albeit with 256MB of RAM). Next time you play a game, think of us poor underprivileged saps who aren't fortunate to have a brand-spanking-new state-of-the-art computer :-) Let your conscience eat away at you until all you want to do is SCREAM Have fun! :-) P.S. MWAhahahahahahaha On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 05:13, Paul wrote: Hi all, Just got the new pc in. 1.2Ghz Athlon and 256 megs. I started part of the Linux MDK 8 install, just to see if the ATA100 Maxtors (2 x 30Gb) would be detected. Well... they are. And man, is that machine FLYING!! Happy me, next weekend there's something to PLAY!! :-) Paul -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. It's okay to be paranoid when they ARE all after you.
Re: [newbie] Wow
KDE sucks was my first thought when I first ran Linux, almost a year ago. Even though for a very short time. Love GNOME - it looks better, love the Panel, even though, I mostly either use StarrOffice, or sit neck deep in a terminal. Solver - Original Message - From: Sridhar Dhanapalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adams, Jamie [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Linux List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow I guess it really depends on what you do with your system. I like to push mine right to its limits, running stuff like Windows in VMware (which is reasonably usable) and having several different web browsers open on a GNOME desktop. I've noticed that KDE and especially IceWM are faster than GNOME, but I find that GNOME suits my needs better (nothing can compare to Sawfish and the GNOME Panel :-) On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:26, Adams, Jamie wrote: I dont know why you lot should be chuggin'. Im using a Toshiba Satellite 2520CDT (AMD K62-300) with 64mb ram and a 4.1gig HDD, everything runs perfectly on mine, much faster than 98 did! no complaints here.. -- Jamie Adams Housing Assistant 41 Castle Road SCARBOROUGH North Yorkshire, YO11 1BJ Tel: (01723) 507543 Fax: (01723) 355862 -- From: Sridhar Dhanapalan[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 June 2001 07:33 To: Jay needs a Guinness; Linux List Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:58, Jay needs a Guinness wrote: You are chuggin'?!!??!! I still have a Compaq 2266 with a Cyrix 225MHz. Thank God I installed more RAM and a new hard drive. Me PC is horribly obselete. But, not to disappoint you all, the new computer I buy will be the new Dual Proc Mac with OS X. I refuse to buy Windoze ever again, and I miss Macs. If I didn't have 256MB of RAM and a 12GB hard drive (which was absolutely massive when I bought it in 1998), I would've gone nuts a long time ago. My computer may be a bit on the slow side, but it's *just* (only just) fast enough to run GNOME with apps like Konqueror with anti-aliased fonts. I hope you don't plan on abandoning GNU/Linux entirely. Remember, Mandrake have a PPC Mac version in the works -- it's currently at the beta 1 stage, so it should be out quite soon. It even has a nifty app (Mac on Linux) that'll allow you to run Mac apps in Linux! If you're interested, there's a good FAQ list for Mac on Linux at http://www.ibrium.se/linux/overview.html. -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
I love Microsoft. I respect Bill Gates. Not only they ain't my enemies - they are my friends. Yes, I like Linux, it's enhanced functionality and especially stability, but Microsoft were the first to do it. I believe that they're doing everything the right way. Also, the monopoly situation is very good for users. You can put your file on a disk, go to a friend being sure you'll find the same Windows and Word there. The worst I could imagine is this: Windows - 40% Linux - 30% MacOS - 10% BeOS - 5% Solaris - 5% Other - 5% Then you would be usnure as to what will you find there. If Linux user, you had to save both for Linux and Windows formats, and Mac doesn't read these disks. So, you would need to know specifically where are you going, and what the PCs are there. Each time I go to repair a PC, I'm almost sure what I'll see there. Microsoft are responsible for what they release. They provide the product to you, and given you buy it legally, they also provide you with support, updates, etc. You can register at Linux Counter and others, but they won't give you that support, even though bug reporting is awesome. And, another thing I love in Linux are the penguins. I love that they're everywhere, and one of my recompilation jobs will be to put even more penguins on their work at Linux desktop and applications. They just look cool - nice animals. Also, I'd like to add that I hate to buy PC with preinstalled software. When I got one with preinstalled Windows (what I used then), the first thing I done was formatting C: and installing it myself. Now I use dual-boot W98, and Linux Mandrake. If I bought a PC with this dual boot, I'd still run Partition Magic and wipe it all, to install myself. I don't love when something is preinstalled. As a PC expert, I want to install everything myself - even if this is something I never installed. Yes, I did feel unsure installing Windows for the first time, as I also did installing Linux and BeOS for the first time. It all passes. Solver - Original Message - From: Franki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rules Address for MDK [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Romanator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 3:12 PM Subject: RE: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft If we all pipe up and say something, microsoft will probably come to all our houses to check for copies of illegal software... like that old 386 with win3.1 that your little sister plays with... they know they are gonna lose eventually, how can you beat something that is not only better, but free?, they are just gonna drag it out as long as possible by making it seem that linux is not a widespread well used solution like NT/2000 and the newbies who know no better will buy it for a while too... for a while.. The fact that all computer mags now have big sections on linux should be an indication of that... its a delaying tactic is all... don't waste your breath on them, ,they are not worth it.. rgds Frank -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Romanator Sent: Friday, 15 June 2001 6:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft I bet Microsoft provided a lotta software as a gift for writing these articles. There will be more to come. Many times the writers must ship the drafts to Microsoft for approval before it goes to print. However, I wouldn't get alarmed. They are blowing a lot of hot air. Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: There have been many rebuttals published to this article all over the Internet: aboutlinux.com, linuxtoday.com, lwn.net, and even ZDNet itself. Gartner Dataquest's figures (sponsored by Microsoft) are in direct contrast to those made by other research companies. IDC, for example, gives GNU/Linux a share of about 24%. IDC and others recognise that most GNU/Linux installations are not bought shrink-wrapped like proprietary OSs are, and that a single copy can be used on an unlimited number of computers. Also, many vendors don't give the option of buying a computer without Windows. People are forced to pay for Windows licenses, but when they get their computers they wipe the hard drive and install GNU/Linux. As the computer is not purchased with GNU/Linux initially installed, it is counted as a Windows machine. On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 17:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A story from www.theregister.co.uk: (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19662.html) No one's using Linux, claims Microsoft By Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco Posted: 13/06/2001 at 11:21 GMT Gartner Dataquest has pegged the proportion of Linux servers shipped in the United States at 8.6 per cent. Gartner analyst Jeffery Hewitt claims that this figure - which includes 'white box' shipments, but excludes server appliances such as Sun's Cobalt
Re: [newbie] Wow
Well, for me Linux still is a secondary OS. I'm now going to start doing office jobs in StarOffice, but as long as I can't get modem to work, I can't do Internet stuff. Also, I have been writing apps for VisualBasic, and continue to do that in Win. But, I spend an even increasing amount of time in Linux. I'm proud with my OS knowledge: I have perfect knowledge of Windows 3.0, 3.1 and especially 3.11, as well as Windows 95 and 98. I know NT series (especially W2K Server), even though I really hate W2K. I know the very basics of BeOS - at least I can install it, install apps under it, and do some little job. I'm familiar with the Solaris OS, and am now gaining knowledge of Linux. When I get to interm. user level, I'll use my programming knowledge to recompile the source to suit my needs. Solver - Original Message - From: Tim Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sridhar Dhanapalan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Adams, Jamie [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Linux List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 7:13 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow I'm also the kind of person that likes to beat the hell out of a machine! One reason why I had to get away from Windows. IT couldn't keep up. If a machine can't handle 8 different programs running, it can't keep up with my usual 15-18 *term's running that I do work on, playing small games, email, Mozilla and Netscape running plus w3m. I don't use KMail and I do a lot of things via console, but I run tons of apps on a regular basis. I can't stand GNOME, and I KDE uses up too many valuable processes I could be using on something else! :0) So I use Enlightenment with a rather small theme. That way I can have 36 desktops to do the billions of things I like to do. I'm running on a Duron 850, which is going to be upgraded to a T-Bird 1.2 to use the 266 FSB on my Motherboard. I have 256 MG RAM, and 50 GB of disk space in that machine I believe. A 20 GB and a 30 GB. But my previous P2 400 w/ 256 MG RAM took the load pretty well. Not as well as this machine, but it took the beating. My only problems were in KDE and having KDE apps die on me. tdh T. Holmes - UNIXTECHS.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Real Men Us Vi! | I guess it really depends on what you do with your system. I like to | push mine right to its limits, running stuff like Windows in VMware | (which is reasonably usable) and having several different web browsers | open on a GNOME desktop. I've noticed that KDE and especially IceWM | are faster than GNOME, but I find that GNOME suits my needs better | (nothing can compare to Sawfish and the GNOME Panel :-) | | | On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 18:26, Adams, Jamie wrote: | I dont know why you lot should be chuggin'. Im using a Toshiba | Satellite 2520CDT (AMD K62-300) with 64mb ram and a 4.1gig HDD, | everything runs perfectly on mine, much faster than 98 did! no | complaints here.. -- | Jamie Adams | Housing Assistant | | 41 Castle Road | SCARBOROUGH | North Yorkshire, YO11 1BJ | | Tel: (01723) 507543 | Fax: (01723) 355862 | | -- | | From: Sridhar Dhanapalan[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | | Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: 15 June 2001 07:33 | To: Jay needs a Guinness; Linux List | Subject: Re: [newbie] Wow | | On Fri, 15 Jun 2001 14:58, Jay needs a Guinness wrote: | You are chuggin'?!!??!! I still have a Compaq 2266 with a Cyrix | 225MHz. Thank God I installed more RAM and a new hard drive. Me | PC is horribly obselete. But, not to disappoint you all, the new | computer I buy will be the new Dual Proc Mac with OS X. I refuse | to buy Windoze ever again, and I miss Macs. | | If I didn't have 256MB of RAM and a 12GB hard drive (which was | absolutely massive when I bought it in 1998), I would've gone nuts | a long time ago. My computer may be a bit on the slow side, but | it's *just* (only just) fast enough to run GNOME with apps like | Konqueror with anti-aliased fonts. | | I hope you don't plan on abandoning GNU/Linux entirely. Remember, | Mandrake have a PPC Mac version in the works -- it's currently at | the beta 1 stage, so it should be out quite soon. It even has a | nifty app (Mac on Linux) that'll allow you to run Mac apps in | Linux! If you're interested, there's a good FAQ list for Mac on | Linux at | http://www.ibrium.se/linux/overview.html. | | -- | Sridhar Dhanapalan. | There are two major products that come from Berkeley: | LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. | -- Jeremy S. Anderson | --
Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft
Yes, Windows is unstable. But, there's one big big big good thing about it that will remain, till Linux changes dramatically. An average, or lower, user, assuming he has got kowledge of English, can install Windows without trouble, easily install apps under it, click start, point to programs and Microsoft Word. I've dealt with a good many users. And many amaze me with their simplicity. OK, the installs for Linux are getting better and better (e.g. Corel Linux has a very simple one), and DrakX also is good at Mandrake, but I wonder if a rawest user would like going to a terminal (hey, where can I find it? Where is it? Help me!!), type make being in the right folder (what is that folder, how do I get there, and where do I type), after that see if it performed correctly (how do I know it?), and type make install. Once, when I was instructing a user to type DOS commands, I didn't say open the MS-DOS prompt. I just said: Type the following commands: cd \windows copy user.dat \backup copy user.da0 \backup defrag ... And, when nothing worked I was suprised. Turned out that user typed it all in Word... And I can never imagine users like this installing Linux apps and compiling sources. Solver - Original Message - From: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 15, 2001 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] No-one uses Linux, says Microsoft There are several other news sites that also have information on this review by Gartner. And they all focus on the fact that the review is sponsored by Microsoft. I am positive that this is just another attempt from Microsoft to convince the rest of the world that there is no life outside their windows. Which apparently is a very narrow viewpoint. The best thing to do is talk about linux and let the people that listen know that it works. And that it is better in stability than windows. That there are lots of applications that can pretty well compete with the windows counterpart (Wordperfect, K-Word, Abiword, Gnumeric, K-spread, GNU-cash etc.) Word of mouth helps. Paul I was wondering what we can do as Linux users? Do we sit on the sidelines and do nothing? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A story from www.theregister.co.uk: (http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/19662.html) No one's using Linux, claims Microsoft
[newbie] insmod
I've downloaded what seems to be drivers for my Winmodem, kernel version 2.2.x and newer. I have 2.4 kernel. I executed the command listed in readme: unpacked it, created links to /dev/ttyS15 and /dev/modem . BTW, it's fun to do command without even understanding why and how they work. Well, that's for future. And, the last command I had to make was insmod pctel.o to activate the modem. As I had a more recent Kernel version, I used insmod -f pctel.o , to make Linux overlook the kernel differences. However, it filled screen with messages about unsolved symbol: pctel.o: unresolved symbol SOMETHING_HERE , and so some dozen lines. Why is this happening? Now I'm just one command away (hopefully) from activating my modem. Honestly, probably the best solution is to give this modem to a two year old, and buy a new one :D. Solver
[newbie] WinMODEM Drivers
Could someone please link me to drivers for HSP56 Audiomodem Riser? I know it's pretty FAQ, but then I shall be one of those to ask it. It's a winmodem, but I've heard that it IS possible to write working drivers for WinMODEMS under Linux. I have Mandrake 7.2. Solver.
[newbie] Kernel compilation
Hello, I'm new to Linux but not new to programming languages. If I want to make some modifications to the Linux Kernel, which are the source files I need to edit (perhaps ones in /usr/src ?), and how do I then make the changes apply. Thanks, Solver
