[newbie] linux
I regret to say that receiving the newbie list has been the most upsetting experiance. it suggests that no one ever gets linux to work! I joined with out the ability to print from star office or word perfect niether word processor is a patch on lotus smart suite, and apart from their inherant problems they seem to run ever so slowly on wine? I shall go on playing with linux and working with os2 and have ordered the update to warp5. regards peter bunce
Re: [newbie] Dupes
"Eugene C. Zesch" wrote: peter bunce wrote: no its people who use ie without setting the defaults properly :-( i think another gift from m$ (like bugs etc) peter bunce Greg Cobb wrote: Is everyone getting two of the same message or is it just me? :) Could you expand on that... maybe people could more easily fix it if it was spelled out. Gene I'll ask the person who told me he's at cambridge uni and pass it on ' i use netscape myself and hate to admit i'm at the monent on m$98.
Re: [newbie] Dupes
no its people who use ie without setting the defaults properly :-( i think another gift from m$ (like bugs etc) peter bunce Greg Cobb wrote: Is everyone getting two of the same message or is it just me? :)
[newbie] [Fwd: ]
I got four of these anybody know what they mean? peter b From nobody Fri Oct 6 04:02:25 2000 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 0) id E9C27C11A; Fri, 6 Oct 2000 04:02:25 -0400 (EDT) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: *** Security Check, Fri Oct 6 04:02:25 EDT 2000 *** Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2000 04:02:25 -0400 (EDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (root) Security Warning: World Writeable files found : - /etc/icalicense - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/new/_05_text.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/new/_10_sprd.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/new/_15_pres.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/new/_20_draw.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/new/_25_sep.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/new/_30_html.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/new/_35_mail.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/new/_40_fram.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/new/_45_mstr.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/new/_48_data.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/new/_50_sep.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/new/_55_chrt.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/new/_60_img.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/new/_65_for.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/new/_67_lab.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/new/_68_busi.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/new/_70_sep.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/new/_75_tpl.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/wizard/_05_lttr.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/wizard/_10_fax.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/wizard/_15_agnd.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/wizard/_20_memo.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/wizard/_25_sep.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/wizard/_30_pres.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/wizard/_35_sep.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/wizard/_40_web.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/wizard/_45_sep.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/wizard/_50_tabl.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/wizard/_55_rprt.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/wizard/_60_form.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/wizard/_65_qury.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/wizard/_70_sep.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/wizard/_75_msi.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/wizard/_80_iset.url - /home/darklord/office52/share/config/wizard/_85_euro.url - /tmp - /tmp/.X11-unix - /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 - /tmp/.font-unix - /tmp/.font-unix/fs-1 - /usr/knox/log/nlpc.lck - /usr/knox/log/nlpc.lg1 - /usr/lib/ViaVoice - /usr/lib/ViaVoice/bin - /usr/lib/ViaVoice/bin/buildpol - /usr/lib/ViaVoice/bin/convuser - /usr/lib/ViaVoice/bin/fsgenum - /usr/lib/ViaVoice/bin/fsgprint - /usr/lib/ViaVoice/bin/fsgtest - /usr/lib/ViaVoice/bin/vtbnfc - /usr/lib/ViaVoice/include - /usr/lib/ViaVoice/include/smapi.h - /usr/lib/ViaVoice/include/smargs.h - /usr/lib/ViaVoice/include/smcallb.h - /usr/lib/ViaVoice/include/smcomm.h - /usr/lib/ViaVoice/include/smlimits.h - /usr/lib/ViaVoice/include/smmsg.h - /usr/lib/ViaVoice/include/smrc.h - /usr/lib/ViaVoice/include/vtbnfc.h - /usr/lib/ViaVoice/samples - /usr/lib/ViaVoice/samples/Makefile - /usr/lib/ViaVoice/samples/audio - /usr/lib/ViaVoice/samples/audio/audbase.c - /usr/lib/ViaVoice/samples/audio/audoss - /usr/lib/ViaVoice/samples/audio/audoss/Makefile - /usr/lib/ViaVoice/samples/audio/audoss/audoss.c - /usr/lib/ViaVoice/samples/audio/audoss/audoss.exp - /usr/lib/ViaVoice/samples/audio/audoss/audoss.so - /usr/lib/ViaVoice/samples/audio/inc - /usr/lib/ViaVoice/samples/audio/inc/audbase.h - /usr/lib/ViaVoice/samples/audio/inc/audrtns.h - /usr/lib/ViaVoice/samples/audio/inc/logging.h -
Re: [newbie] installation
hola wouldn't we all!! peter bunce Santiago Canez wrote: Okay, so yesterday I finally bought Mandrake 7.1. The installation was going fine until towards the end it ejected the installation cd-rom and asked for the extensions cd(x86). The cd's i got when I bought it were installation cd(x86), installation sources, and applications cd(x386). So I thought they meant the applications cd but that didn't work. In fact I just tried all the cd's but none of them worked. Finally I just conitnued installation without that cd but I would really like to know what I can do to fix this. Any ideas? SC
Re: [newbie] How do you turn off automatic dependencies?
me toopeter bunce "John I. Azeke" wrote: I was trying to update some programs with Mandrake Update and The automatic dependencies kepp on selecting all the updates. If I do not want all of the updates to automatically download and install, how do I stop automatic dependencies from taking over. I believe this was set during install of Mandrake 7.1 and did not know that it was for anything other than installation. Thanks
Re: [newbie] Tech Support from Macmillan -- Personal Inquiry
I bought a boxed set. did not get the help I asked for. peter bunce Denis Havlik wrote: On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: :~unfortunately you only get support when you buy their boxed sets, well i got :~mine out of a magazine for linux so i get no support what so ever from :~Macmillan Well, one usually gets what one pays for in life... With linux, one often gets a bit more, but giving you 121 tech support for free is not gonna happen. There are folks on this list who are willing to help, there is mandrakeuser.org, there is mandrakeforum.com, our manuals are freely available for download... If you have something against boxed sets, maybe we could start selling ONLY support at a same price ;- cu Denis FYI: MacMillan is not responsible for support anymore. It is us,us, and again us, and if/when we come up with some shit, we'll try to fix it as soon as possible. Unfortunately, we are still "warming up" as far as support is concerned, and I expect to see problems during next few weeks. But we'll fix them as soon as we find them out. -- - Dr. Denis Havlikhttp://www.ap.univie.ac.at/users/havlik Mandrakesoft||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quality Assurance (@ @)(private: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ---oOO--(_)--OOo- The mailserver is on strike. It wants better working conditions, paid days off and a female connector. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [newbie] Spanish co.
I agree with all this, Spanish and english are after all dialects of latin separated by 2000years peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The curious part of this deal is that here have been other non-English messages in the last couple of months. Why the stink this time? If any given message isn't applicable to you bypass it; leave it for those that want to help others. I have read several postings about people intending to leave the newbie list over this whole stink. I agree with others who have said what a shame that would be. Maybe if we could get the mail server fixed so that there weren't so many duplications everybody's stress level would go down. Or maybe some of the flamethrower people need to grow up. In the mean-time anybody can deal with anything that displeases them in the same way, delete key. It's much bettter that wasting over 3,000 people's time (and in some cases phone charges). I know that some out there discount what I say (or block messages) because my ISP is aol. That poor regard of a temporary practicality is also regretable [YES, I would LOVE to get those people out of my pocket, and I will when I can!]. I feel that do I contribute a little here, and I feel that it's their loss if they delete key. I would like to appologize to the Spanish speaking person at the butt of this and say to you that if you will try to communicate with us, we will try to help you. I honor your desire to express yourself well rather than mangle English. I also respect people who try to communicate with me dispite MY handicap (of not being able to speak their language). I was flamed over a matter of computing history, which I felt affected everybody including Linux people, if that helps you to feel any better about your bad treatment here. Remember to treat critics with the delete key! Sorry for the waste of bandwidth, I never did deal with "stupid" very well. In general it sounds like people need to lighten up and get reasonable! -Gary- In a message dated 9/14/2000 11:40:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Folks, I am really sorry to see such a flamethread over a guy who posted a question in spanish. So what? We are supposed to be a friendly bunch of linuxers, not a bunch of wicked old men who have nothing better to do than flame-ing each other. If you don't understand Spanish, ignore it, if you do answer the guy, and all are happy. If/when spanish questions start popping up very often, spanish people will get a separate list, just as germans, frenchs and italians already have. Relax. Don't be lusers. yours Denis -- - Dr. Denis Havlikhttp://www.ap.univie.ac.at/users/havlik Mandrakesoft||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quality Assurance (@ @)(private: [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [newbie] dual booting with win2k and linux
IBM boot manager will keep M$98 in its place, boot magic seems only to work with ms osesses it is ms, a few months ago an ms enthusiast completely messed up my system (removed my partitions) then to make amends re installed os2, 98 and linux using b magic two days later os2 would not boot, I had to start again with ibm b manager which runs ok under lilo. no problems since peter Greg Stewart wrote: Don't know about the Norton thing... I switched from Win 98 to NT4.0, and haven't had the problem. It seemd as though Win98 wanted complete control over the entire computer, whereas Windows NT, having been born a bit earlier, and the product of a slghtly less greed-infested OS, did not quite understand how to get that accomplished. In all, I've felt safer with WinNT's lack of adventurist rants and tantrums; and it's predisposition torward being a bit fussier 'bout the many un-identified individuals to whom it simply hands my closely guarded information is a minor plus as well. Damn it! If only I could get everything at work converted to Linux, I wouldn't have to worry about these things! :-) --Greg - Original Message - From: "Charles A Edwards" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Not to be defending windows but it was most likly the way your anti-virus was configured that keep changing your boot record back to its orig. state. Bill just thinks he's all powerful. Norton knows He Is. (-: Charles I had a bizarre thought today. What would happen if Mickeysoft decided that a nice feature of their operating system would be to rewrite the boot record every time you booted Windows. This could be referred to as part of the "maintenance" cycle. In a few words: I thought they already did that! :-) I had a windows 98 installation that consistently re-wrote the disk-signature of my dual boot system's 2nd hard drive, and kept rendering that damned drive's partitions hidden... so , I couldn't boot from it until I went into partition magic, and made than active again! Need I say that I formatted the win98 partition very soon after that? And, I haven't touched Win98 since! __ Vous avez un site perso ? 2 millions de francs à gagner sur i(france) ! Webmasters : ZE CONCOURS ! http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/concours.emailif
Re: [newbie] Re: [newbie] Solicitar información
I can understand french german spanish and some dutch, but I cannot write much in them, mandrake is french, and supposed to be world class, so expect some other languages, which I for one welcome. is american realy english anyway? or just a sometimes charming variation. mind you I 'd like to have your Bill of Rights! peter (uk subject. ie no rights at all) Kathleen Dickason wrote: You're right. Perhaps he can understand English but not compose in it? I'd be willing to be that he posted to the lists in the languages he can understand, but wrote in his primary language. I guess that's spamming, but I have lots of empathy for newbies desperate for information. :/ I'm curious: is it against the rules for someone to post a request in a language other than the list language, looking for an answer in the list language? Kathleen "Austin L. Denyer" wrote: The mandrake lists are available in several different languages - you select which one when you subscribe via the website, although I did not see a Spanish one. I think the thing that irks most is that the guy states in his e-mail that he also speaks English and Italian. If he can speak English then why not POST in English? If his Italian is better than his English then there is an Italian version of this list... For the benefit of the others, it is NOT an advert - dwyatt is right. It actually says (loosely translated): = Newbie Group: I need to know if you could send to me or inform me which Web site I can download drivers from so that mandrake can boot in graphics mode. Linux does not recognize my graphics card. This is the Diamond VIPER II Z200. I hope that you can help me, since, if it is not possible I will not be able to run Linux on my computer. Thank you very much. Fernando Vasconcelos. My e-mail is [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS: I can understand English and Italian == Regards, Ozz. No, it's not. It's open to anyone. Mandrake is a French distro, IIRC... what the heck buddy this is an english speaking news group and we dont like advertisements!
Re: [newbie] AGH!! Linux not ready for prime time (OS/2 user)
Greg Stewart wrote: Um... 1, Gates created the first version DOS. No he did not IBM did and the us court made them share it so as not to have a monopoly of hardware and software 2. Gates wrotes the first two versions of OS/2. no IBM are the sole creators and owners of os2, if was offered to barney gates as a running system he commented that it (os2) was the best system that he had ever seen, then fell out with IBM and his people produced the disasterous 95 then 98 to compete with os2. os2 is still incomparably better than any M$ offering unfortunatly in spite of IBM's support of open source os2 will never be released by order of your government os2 runs all your cruise missiles and other ordinance, gates failures in this area (military software) are well documented and are a convincing testimony to prove that no one with a serious interest in using a computor should on grounds of reliability, speed, security and cost go anywhere near an ms product. 3. OS/2 would still be written by Gates if his head didn't explode and his greed take take over. dream on, he has not got the expertise Yes, Linux is not yet a viable all-round desktop OS, and needs quite a bit of knowledgeable intervention to configure. The Open Source Community is definitely working on forming Linux into that desktop phenomenon you're looking for, but these things take time...especially when 90% of the developers are not getting paid. agreed There are many different distributions out there which configure different utilities in Linux very differently. I,personally, have found things in MDK7.1 that are quite nice...especially the install, and their tweaking of Xwindows. However, I have also found that my familiar Red Hat looks better and better as an all-round server. There may be distributions such as Caldera and Corel that have incorporated DOSEMU better than in MDK... if that's your main concern. I have no experience with DOSEMU as I have fled screaming from any and all DOS apps other than fdisk. Many of these concerns are already understood...patience --Greg As someone who does not like to have MS stuff on my PCs but have to because of the need of relating to the real business world, I was eager to try Linux. It really is great, especially for an open system. But I believe it still has a way to go before it can be used by the general computer public. One example is DOSEMU. I am running Mandrake 7.1 which installs dosemu automatically, but not in a usable form. Whereas OS/2 runs dos applications and has DOS7 in it transparently and even a beginner can use them. However the equivalent in Linux is dosemu which - let's get real - needs experience with programming to use and is totally useless to a beginner. As installed only a root can use it. Apparently to make it useable one must tinker with /etc/dosemu.conf and /etc/dosemu.users. Well, a normal PC user could not possibly understand or modify these files assuming he can find them in the first place. That is another problem. There are numerous configuration files (X, etc.) and they are all located in different places instead of in one directory where a non programmer can find them. There are numerous other problems that make using Linux a steep learning curve - which it does not need to be. I am certain it will improve and I sure hope so, but it cannot improve unless normal PC users like myself point out where they see the problems for them. That is the reason for this message which is not meant to start a flame war but to point out where newbies need help, get frustrated and abandon the OS despite its obvious advantages. I for one, though fairly sophisticated with computers but not a programmer, still cannot figure out how to modify the various files so that 1. a non su can start and use dosemu 2. how to change from the virtual directory dosemu starts in (when in KDE knosole) to a real dos logical drive (already mounted) where my applications exist. AGH!!! Jeff Malka [EMAIL PROTECTED] Registered Linux user 183185 what is needed is a data base of all the questions that are constantly repeating on this list because who can cope with 200 emails a day ? __ Vous avez un site perso ? 2 millions de francs à gagner sur i(france) ! Webmasters : ZE CONCOURS ! http://www.ifrance.com/_reloc/concours.emailif I shall persivere with mandrake but not use it as my everyday op system till it has evolved into a much more usable system and can out perform os2. i should add that i'm pretty pissed off with IBM having been a customer in england since 1963 , they have abandonned all their SOHO users in favor of their 60% of the top 500 corporations they do still put out fixes and fixpak 14us for warp keeps os2 way way adead of the pack peter, in over taxed
