Re: [newbie] Backing up the important stuff for an upgrade.
On Sun, 2003-07-20 at 12:25, ThinKer wrote: I am currently using Mandrake 9.0. I am looking to upgrade my system to either Mandrake 9.1 or Redhat 9.0 (I haven't decided yet). After having Mandrake, you're going to be sorely disappointed with the RedHat distro - both version 8.0 and the new version 9; Mandrake packages a huge amount of end user utilities and programs that you will manually have to find/download/install/compile - and as well, when you start digging into the RedHat mailing lists, you're not going to find quite the same amount of camaraderie and helpfulness that you'll find in the Mandrake community. I really hate to steer someone away from using RedHat, but unless you're doing large scale server work, it's not quite the desktop that it either should be, or could be. But if you're going to experiment, by all means - just make sure you back up your /home partition and then off ya go! In either case, I would like to backup all my work and reinstall from scratch. I mainly use this machine for coding and checking mail so I only use Evolution, Netscape, and Quanta. Back up your /home partition. -- Sun Jul 20 16:40:01 EST 2003 16:40:01 up 6 days, 8:43, 2 users, load average: 0.49, 0.43, 0.35 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1+ RH 9 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * Sam Vimes could parallel process. Most husbands can. They learn to follow their own line of thought while at the same time listening to what their wives say. And the listening is important, because at any time they could be challenged and must be ready to quote the last sentence in full. A vital additional skill is being able to scan the dialogue for telltale phrases such as and they can deliver it tomorrow or so I've invited them for dinner? or they can do it in blur, really quite cheaply. (The Fifth Elephant) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Backing up the important stuff for an upgrade.
On Sunday 20 Jul 2003 6:28 am, Inhabitant of Zion wrote: When you install Mandrake, you have the option of use existing partitions, and then you can choose to only format the system partition, /. by leaving the /home partition intact, either Red Hat or Mandrake will have access to them. Of course, some of the config files and such may be out or sync, but you can just delete any that cause you probs. As always, it would be a good idea to backup your home dir to cdrom or something, just in case. I have tried this myself. I can say it has some pitfalls to avoid: 1) Make sure you don't give your self the same username as on the old system or you won't be able to log on. 2) All the files will be locked to the user on your old system. 3) You will need to know where to find all the hidden files that hold things like filter rules and all you favourites for Mozilla etc if you plan to chmod them and swop them across to your new user home directory. I've never had any problem like that, nor ever heard of it before. Of course if you back up to a cd they will all be read-only, so you will have to deal with that when you copy them back. One thing to watch, though, is that if you have more than one user you *must* add the users back in the same order, or you will get a confusion of user ids - possible what caused the problem described above? I simply made a list of all the users and their ids, and used that to make sure that I matched them in the new install. Everyone's home directory was then readable without any problems. As long as your /home is on a separate partition you should have no problems (though back up is still the only sensible route). If it isn't, another partition if you have one, or a cd backup would have to be used. In that case, when you start the install, choose to manually partition and give yourself a /home partition then leave the rest of the space for Mandrake to deal with. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Backing up the important stuff for an upgrade.
One thing to watch, though, is that if you have more than one user you *must* add the users back in the same order, or you will get a confusion of user ids - possible what caused the problem described above? Ahh that explains it then. Get the gun I need shooting! I had two users and went down to one. Did not realise it would cause a problem... well you live and learn... John -- Help Microsoft stamp out piracy - give Linux to a friend today MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 92791912 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Backing up the important stuff for an upgrade.
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:23:57 +0100 Inhabitant of Zion [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Ahh that explains it then. Get the gun I need shooting! I had two users and went down to one. Load that sucker with an extra round, my friend, I did not know that either. I have just always set up one user account first, so I've been lucky... Did not realise it would cause a problem... well you live and learn... or as my university roommate used to say, live and burn... -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 ++ There is no comfort without pain; thus we define salvation through suffering. -- Cato Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Backing up the important stuff for an upgrade.
I am currently using Mandrake 9.0. I am looking to upgrade my system to either Mandrake 9.1 or Redhat 9.0 (I haven't decided yet). In either case, I would like to backup all my work and reinstall from scratch. I mainly use this machine for coding and checking mail so I only use Evolution, Netscape, and Quanta. What exactly do I need to back up, and how should I go about backing it up so that either Mandrake or Red Hat will be able to utilize my old files? Thanks in advance, Thinker Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Backing up the important stuff for an upgrade.
On 19 Jul 2003 22:25:35 -0400 ThinKer [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: ***please oh please clear your reply-to address in your mail client. otherwise, replies don't go to the list, and then no one has a chance to say waitaminnit, don't listen to joe! he's an idiot!*** I am currently using Mandrake 9.0. I am looking to upgrade my system to either Mandrake 9.1 or Redhat 9.0 (I haven't decided yet). In either case, I would like to backup all my work and reinstall from scratch. I mainly use this machine for coding and checking mail so I only use Evolution, Netscape, and Quanta. When you install Mandrake, you have the option of use existing partitions, and then you can choose to only format the system partition, /. I am not sure if Red Hat will do that, and of course I must say I would strongly recommend avoiding Red Hat like the plague. Ask Stephen, he's a Red Hat Refugee! What exactly do I need to back up, and how should I go about backing it up so that either Mandrake or Red Hat will be able to utilize my old files? by leaving the /home partition intact, either Red Hat or Mandrake will have access to them. Of course, some of the config files and such may be out or sync, but you can just delete any that cause you probs. As always, it would be a good idea to backup your home dir to cdrom or something, just in case. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 ++ You can only live once, but if you do it right, once is enough. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 ++ The absurd is the essential concept and the first truth. -- A. Camus Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Backing up the important stuff for an upgrade.
When you install Mandrake, you have the option of use existing partitions, and then you can choose to only format the system partition, /. by leaving the /home partition intact, either Red Hat or Mandrake will have access to them. Of course, some of the config files and such may be out or sync, but you can just delete any that cause you probs. As always, it would be a good idea to backup your home dir to cdrom or something, just in case. I have tried this myself. I can say it has some pitfalls to avoid: 1) Make sure you don't give your self the same username as on the old system or you won't be able to log on. 2) All the files will be locked to the user on your old system. 3) You will need to know where to find all the hidden files that hold things like filter rules and all you favourites for Mozilla etc if you plan to chmod them and swop them across to your new user home directory. I have tried copying all my home directory to a CD but for some reason it either does not copy across the hidden files or they remain hidden on the CD-ROM. Somebody on here has explained about how to adjust the settings so you can see hidden files IIRC. I wish I had kept a copy of that mail :-( John -- Help Microsoft stamp out piracy - give Linux to a friend today MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 92791912 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [newbie] Backing up the important stuff for an upgrade.
On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 06:28:01 +0100 Inhabitant of Zion [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I have tried this myself. I can say it has some pitfalls to avoid: 1) Make sure you don't give your self the same username as on the old system or you won't be able to log on. 2) All the files will be locked to the user on your old system. 3) You will need to know where to find all the hidden files that hold things like filter rules and all you favourites for Mozilla etc if you plan to chmod them and swop them across to your new user home directory. Never, ever had to do this, or had a problem. Any of them. First time I've heard of it. But...never say never, so, back it up *somewhere*. I have tried copying all my home directory to a CD but for some reason it either does not copy across the hidden files or they remain hidden on the CD-ROM. That is the fault of the burning program, I would say. The CD should retain the hidden status of course, it's just a filename! -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 ++ Truth has no special time of its own. Its hour is now -- always. -- Albert Schweitzer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
