[newbie] Booting Up Multiple OS's

2000-04-14 Thread andy

Here's the deal..

I had a single 8.4gb hard drive, partioned with W98 in 6 gb, Linux in the
remainder..Lilo worked just fine...

Now..

I installed a 20gb h/d  in addition to this this week-I've kept the original
as master and the new one as slave.

My plan was to put a completely clean install of W98 onto the new drive,
make an image file using Norton Ghost, burn that onto a CD (Makes
re-installing windows a brze!!), then drag all my personal files
over and re-install the apps onto the new drive, then allow Linux to take
over the entire original 8.4 gb by re-sizing the partitons.

Fine..on paper (Or in my head!!)

When I'd done the fresh install of W98 on the new drive, I lost access to my
original hard drive, so the only thing I could boot into was the new copy of
W98.. I think I remember reading that, if you install Windows AFTER Linux,
it over-writes the boot records so Lilo boesn't function any more. Is that
right? The t*t that I am..I didn't make a boot floppy on my last Linux
install (.hangs head in shame and stands in the corner!!)

To cut this short then..I've finished up fdisk-ing the lot, installing Linux
first onto the slave h/d in a 6 gb partition (Should be enough, shouldn't
it??) and I'll put W98 on the original 8.4 gb drive. Now, when I re-install
W98 tonight, that mean that lilo will disappear again, won't it? So the
question is..how do I boot into Linux without it (i've created a floppy disc
this time, that will probably help) and once I've managed to get into Linux,
can I then re-install Lilo at all?

Thanks for listening

Andy




Re: [newbie] Booting Up Multiple OS's

2000-04-14 Thread David Hugh-Jones

The floppy disk should do the trick. Just boot from it. Then rerun lilo 
from within linux. This will overwrite W98. You may need to edit your 
lilo.conf file first, to make sure it has windows as an option, on the 
correct partition.

cheers
dave


andy wrote:










  Here's the deal..
 
  I had a single 8.4gb hard drive, partioned with W98 in 6 gb, Linux in the
  remainder..Lilo worked just fine...
 
  Now..
 
  I installed a 20gb h/d  in addition to this this week-I've kept the 
original
  as master and the new one as slave.
 
  My plan was to put a completely clean install of W98 onto the new drive,
  make an image file using Norton Ghost, burn that onto a CD (Makes
  re-installing windows a brze!!), then drag all my personal files
  over and re-install the apps onto the new drive, then allow Linux to take
  over the entire original 8.4 gb by re-sizing the partitons.
 
  Fine..on paper (Or in my head!!)
 
  When I'd done the fresh install of W98 on the new drive, I lost 
access to my
  original hard drive, so the only thing I could boot into was the new 
copy of
  W98.. I think I remember reading that, if you install Windows AFTER 
Linux,
  it over-writes the boot records so Lilo boesn't function any more. Is 
that
  right? The t*t that I am..I didn't make a boot floppy on my last Linux
  install (.hangs head in shame and stands in the corner!!)
 
  To cut this short then..I've finished up fdisk-ing the lot, 
installing Linux
  first onto the slave h/d in a 6 gb partition (Should be enough, shouldn't
  it??) and I'll put W98 on the original 8.4 gb drive. Now, when I 
re-install
  W98 tonight, that mean that lilo will disappear again, won't it? So the
  question is..how do I boot into Linux without it (i've created a 
floppy disc
  this time, that will probably help) and once I've managed to get into 
Linux,
  can I then re-install Lilo at all?
 
  Thanks for listening
 
  Andy
 















Re: [newbie] Booting Up Multiple OS's

2000-04-14 Thread Mike Corbeil

Yes, what you want to do can be done and without much trouble.

andy wrote:

 I had a single 8.4gb hard drive, partioned with W98 in 6 gb, Linux in the
 remainder..Lilo worked just fine...

 I installed a 20gb h/d  in addition to this this week-I've kept the original
 as master and the new one as slave.

 My plan was to put a completely clean install of W98 onto the new drive,
 make an image file using Norton Ghost, burn that onto a CD (Makes
 re-installing windows a brze!!), then drag all my personal files
 over and re-install the apps onto the new drive, then allow Linux to take
 over the entire original 8.4 gb by re-sizing the partitons.

 Fine..on paper (Or in my head!!)


If you want to resize the Linux configuration without losing everything you
have on it, then you'ld want to use a tool like Partition Magic, that is, if
there are any alternatives to PM.  PM has the capability of resizing partitions
without losing anything, especially when increasing the size of partitions (not
sure what PM does when you try to resize a partition to smaller than what's on
it takes up, though).

However, if you're going to have such large HDDs, then PM is probably something
you should seriously consider getting.  I heard that there were some problems
with the 5.x version; therefore, you should do some research on this.  You
could check the zdnet, pcmag, cnet and such web sites:

http://www.zdnet.com
http://www.pcmag.com
etcetera

Those problems were reported last fall or earlier last year, though, so these
have probably been fixed.


 When I'd done the fresh install of W98 on the new drive, I lost access to my
 original hard drive, so the only thing I could boot into was the new copy of
 W98.. I think I remember reading that, if you install Windows AFTER Linux,
 it over-writes the boot records so Lilo boesn't function any more. Is that
 right?

Yep.

 The t*t that I am..I didn't make a boot floppy on my last Linux
 install (.hangs head in shame and stands in the corner!!)

Look at it as learning.

 To cut this short then..I've finished up fdisk-ing the lot, installing Linux
 first onto the slave h/d in a 6 gb partition (Should be enough, shouldn't
 it??)

Should be.  If you eventually run out of space, then you can always create
additional filesystems later, or manage differently.  There are definitely ways
of expanding later on without needing to redo everything just to gain more
space.

Might depend on what you plan to do, but 6GB would definitely be sufficient for
many purposes.  As per above, you can always create and add more filesystems
later on.

For example, say you created a /home filesystem of 1GB and you eventually  run
out of space, but this would still be adequate for /home.  You could create a
separate 1GB or large filesystem and move /home to that, while reassigning the
space previously taken up by /home to another filesystem requiring more space
that it's current size, only needing to modify the fstab configuration file.

This isn't a great example, but it's an example of what could be done;
although, if /home happened to be next to the filesystem requiring more space
and following that filesystem, then you could delete the old /home filesystem
or partition and expand the other one by the additional 1GB freed up in moving
/home.  The filesystem numbering would end up with a gap, if the new /home
filesystem or partition was placed further on the same hdd, but this shouldn't
be a problem (could in some cases, for PM, but think this example wouldn't be a
problem for PM, albeit I still use PM 3.0).


 and I'll put W98 on the original 8.4 gb drive. Now, when I re-install
 W98 tonight, that mean that lilo will disappear again, won't it?

Yep.

 So the
 question is..how do I boot into Linux without it (i've created a floppy disc
 this time, that will probably help) and once I've managed to get into Linux,
 can I then re-install Lilo at all?

Make sure your boot floppy works before re-installing Win98.  As long as the bf
works correctly, then you should be able to do as you describe, being able to
reinstall lilo and the works.

You might prefer to use linuxconf or drakconf or drak?conf (not sure of the
exact spelling and letter casing) for the lilo configuration, unless you know
that the lilo.conf file is still accurate.  If you're not sure, then use
linuxconf or drakconf to make sure.  (linuxconf will work, but I read earlier
today that drakconf is or may be better.)

mike