Re: [newbie] Console Mail Readers
On Thu, Aug 30, 2001 at 09:37:03AM +0100, Adams, Jamie wrote: Thanks for all your answers everyone. I have managed to get Pine up and running and ive got Fetchmail to get my mail for me from my pop accounts, configuring Fetchmail was a small task with the help of fetchmailconf. There is a great perl script to help one setup sendmail/fetchmail. Look for it on freshmeat, but I beleive it's called `setup fetchmail' or some such thing. It helps with the configuring of aliases etc. The only thing ive got to sort now is the crontab, guess its come to the time where i should learn how to use Vi. Until you get the hang of using crontabs by cli, I'd suggest using webmin, or maybe after using the cli - to look at the tab in webmin to see if the crontab will do what you wish it to do. Im going to take Steve's suggestion and use Pine for a while before i switch over to anything more complicated, it seems nice enough to use. Actually pine has some nice features - after using it for a couple of years I outgrew it and welcomed mutt into my life. I love it's configurability, but pine is a good package for e-mail, but using it for nntp is not recommended IMHO. --Steve Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Console Mail Readers
Thanks for all your answers everyone. I have managed to get Pine up and running and ive got Fetchmail to get my mail for me from my pop accounts, configuring Fetchmail was a small task with the help of fetchmailconf. The only thing ive got to sort now is the crontab, guess its come to the time where i should learn how to use Vi. Im going to take Steve's suggestion and use Pine for a while before i switch over to anything more complicated, it seems nice enough to use. Rant I remember when i got hold of a copy of Linux a year or so ago (Redhat 6.0) it was the console that i most wanted to play with, Linux was going to be a challenge to learn anyway, but thats the whole reason i installed it in the first place. I hate having everything done for me, with linux theres a 1001 different ways of doing everything, and i love it! I guess when i got Mandrake 7.1 i got back into the habit of using the GUI for every little task, even though sometimes its much quicker to use the console. So im trying to reverse that now.. i know that the GUI is going to be used more and more over the next few years, especially by people new to the OS, but i really dont think _i_ will learn that much by going that route. /Rant I hope some of the newer newbie's here try and remember that the console is much more powerful than KDE or Gnome will ever be. Anyways, my first coffee of the day is wearing off now, time for a top-up :-) Thanks for listening. and thanks for your help. Jamie Adams Housing Assistant - Tel: (01723) 507543 Fax: (01723) 355862 -- From: Paul[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Reply To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 August 2001 11:37 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Console Mail Readers This is a multi-part message in MIME format... =_999152639-31838-59 Hi Jamie, Hi Jamie, You can use Pine or Mutt. I have used Pine a long time, and I switched to Sylpheed (graphical but very good imo). You can use fetchmail or getmail (a great python script) to collect mail from several pop-servers. Fetchmail is usually installed by default. Getmail is available at http://www.qcc.sk.ca/~charlesc/software/getmail-2.0/ Getmail is real easy to set up, I use it instead of fetchmail. Both pull mail and drop it off in mbox or maildir type mailboxes. I have used Pine because I have never managed to get Mutt going. The hooks it uses always puzzled me. Both can read mbox and maildir boxes. Paul Can anyone suggest a good console mail reader? I have been using Kmail for a while at home but i dont really like it that much and the console is kinda growing on me now :) I would like to configure my system to fetch my mail for me from my pop accounts and place it into my home mail file, i know that this is supposed to be possible, but how is it done? is it easy to setup is there a HOWTO somewhere? If it is possible, would it be possible to fetch mail form multiple pop accounts? Thanks for any help you can offer. _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. =_999152639-31838-59 Content-Type: text/plain; name=message.footer Content-Disposition: inline; filename=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com =_999152639-31838-59-- _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Console Mail Readers
In reply to jennifer's words, written Thu, 30 Aug 2001 16:15:06 -0400 I installed mutt becuase i am curious to learn a console based editor (and emacs) From the man page it seems that i should have a ~/.muttrc file in my home directory but I do not. I tried a locate and didn't vcome up with anything. I think www.mutt.org and their mailing list will be happy to provide you with all and more that you want to know! Paul -- Life is just a series of trying to make up your mind. -Timothy Fuller http://nlpagan.net - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 8.0 - Sylpheed 0.5.3 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Console Mail Readers
Tim, I installed mutt becuase i am curious to learn a console based editor (and emacs) From the man page it seems that i should have a ~/.muttrc file in my home directory but I do not. I tried a locate and didn't vcome up with anything. My ? is if this fle gets created by the install, where it lives, and if i have to create it myself, could you or another member provide my with a sample I could annotate? Thanks so much, Jen On Wednesday 29 August 2001 15:30, Tim Holmes wrote: You can set up Mutt to use any editor that you'd like in the .muttrc. I don't see why you couldn't use emacs in there instead of vim, which is what I use. set editor=vim -c 'set wm=9' # editor to use when composing messages That's the line I have in my .muttrc. I don't see why you couldn't put the command for your emacs in there instead of that. :0) But I know and love vi, so I haven't bothered to try and learn emacs. tdh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name=message.footer Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Description: -- Jennifer #221463 Yahoo IM: jlynn2k */Please don't feed the screaming idiots #include wisdom.h void ignorance (it offers no value) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Console Mail Readers
On Wed, 29 Aug 2001 11:10:07 +0100 Adams, Jamie [EMAIL PROTECTED] was inspired to comment: Hi all, Can anyone suggest a good console mail reader? I have been using Kmail for a while at home but i dont really like it that much and the console is kinda growing on me now :) Both Pine and Mutt are very good console based MUA's. Both work in conjunction with fetchmail (as MTA). I believe Pine can retrieve POP mail directly, but not certain it can handle more than one account. I'm not certain Mutt can dirctly retrieve from a POP server. Elm is supposed to be very good also, but I've never tried that one. I liked using both Mutt and Pine, but now use Sylpheed, an excellent gui MUA. To each there own shrug Mike -- You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline - it helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a beer. - Frank Zappa _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Console Mail Readers
On Wednesday, Aug 29, 2001, Matt Greer wrote: While I'm here, I have a question about console based mail readers. For the people that use them, how do you keep up with large amounts of mail in a short time, like this mailing list? I originally started using elm and found that it was such a pain to keep on top of my mail and keep it organized that I switched over to kmail. I use Mutt... not real sure about what you mean by 'keep up', but I use Procmail to filter lists I'm subscribed to into there own folders (I use Maildir format instead of mbox). Makes it easy. There's also a plethora of things you can configure in Mutt to make things easier. Like in all my folders for mailing lists, I have a macro setup to mark as deleted any message over 2 weeks old when I enter the folder, except for messages that I've 'flagged' as important. That makes life easier too (and makes threading much more effective since I'm not deleting messages as I read them. =) -- Paul Cox paul at coxcentral dot com Kernel: 2.4.7-12.3mdk - Uptime: 8 days 20 hours 41 minutes. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Console Mail Readers
Yeah, it uses Pico for its' editing, but is really not bad for all-around ASCII mail handling. Large volumes of mail make Pine look like driving a Model T on the Autobahn though. Just not capable (realistically) of sorting through large chunks of mail. Besides, Pine Is Not Elm. The major difference between Pine and Elm is that Pine has its own, simple, editor for writing emails. Elm uses vi (or whatever else you want to set up in the config file). While I'm here, I have a question about console based mail readers. For the people that use them, how do you keep up with large amounts of mail in a short time, like this mailing list? I originally started using elm and found that it was such a pain to keep on top of my mail and keep it organized that I switched over to kmail. I use Eudora on Windows and Kmail on Linux, so a console-based reader seems positively anemic for me, sometimes. The lack of the mouse, for sorting through large chunks of mail doesn't work for me. Pine is great for xterms and when you can only dial in over a modem to your system. I also hacked together a quick way to access my Eudora mail from Pine. 1.) Create a folder in Pine 2.) shell out to the system and cat the contents of your Eudora mailbox onto the tail end of the Pine folder entry, like this: 'cat foo.mbx pinefoofolder' 3.) Go into Pine and open up that folder, it should contain all of the mail from Eudora. Sorry for the rant. -- Brendan Linux-Mandrake 8.1 Beta 2/Win98SE Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
