Re: [newbie] Dear Steve: Time for Microsoft Linux?

2003-06-09 Thread Anne Wilson
On Monday 09 Jun 2003 4:23 pm, Alan Dunford wrote:
 How can
  Microsoft participate in an open operating system? Two ways:
  First, by making it as robust an OS as possible.

Yes, well 

Anne

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Re: [newbie] Dear Steve: Time for Microsoft Linux?

2003-06-09 Thread Steven Broos
I stopped reading half away, when i read MS Linux for the third time.
I don't like that... Not at all !

What MS needs to do, is making its own applications open source, so they
can be enhanced (and ported).
What I don't like, is MS building on a linux platform.  I think this
will give a whole new, negative dimension on so called open source.

Let MS focus on regular home-PC-users and basic desktop-systems, and let
linux for the people who want more...  There is no way MS (the cpy) can
work together with Linux, because the overall goals of both 'projects'
are too different.

I'm not against MS, but I'm pro linux!  Er... sometimes I am against MS
:-)

Steven


On Mon, 2003-06-09 at 17:23, Alan Dunford wrote:
 A friend sent this to me - thought it might be of some interest!!!
 
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  Dear Steve: Time for Microsoft Linux?
  By David Coursey, AnchorDesk
  June 8, 2003 9:00 PM PT
 
  Dear Steve Ballmer:
 
  Concerning Linux and your memo/exhortation of June 4, I'm
  pleased to see you've finally recognized--publicly, at least--the
  threat posed to Microsoft by Linux.
 
  Some in the Linux community must imagine you with a sort of
  deer in the headlights look, not quite sure of your fate but
  certain it can't be good. They could see your memo as a
  legitimization of Linux, an admission by Goliath that David has a
  point after all. The Linux hardcore must be hooting and hollering
  and marking June 4 as a future national day of liberation from the
  evil empire.
 
  I THINK they have it backwards. I think Linux proponents are the
  ones who should be afraid.
 
  Why? Because Microsoft has been in this situation before and,
  once the battleship was turned, fought and won. Your company also
  ended up being declared a monopoly, making a deal with the feds, and
  spending large millions on legal fees. But what's that to
  Microsoft's multibillion-dollar war chest?
 
  You remember the fall of 1995? Back then, people thought
  Microsoft was hopelessly late in acknowledging the existence of
  something called the Internet. Competitors were popping up, the
  industry was abuzz, and Microsoft was nowhere to be found.
 
  As I remember, Microsoft had some important projects to finish
  the previous summer, in particular a little something called Windows
  95. But by December, once that had shipped and people had a chance
  to rest and regroup, Bill invited the media up to Microsoft for a
  talk about the Internet.
 
  That turned out to be one of the most fateful days in personal
  computing history. Bill told several hundred reporters that
  Microsoft wouldn't be building Internet products. Instead, it
  would be putting the Internet into all Microsoft products. Every
  future Microsoft product would have Internet capabilities
  built-in.
 
  NOW, I'M NOT SURE your June 4 memo is the same war cry I heard
  nearly eight years ago. But if I were Linux and faced with the
  prospect of Microsoft throwing everything it could at me, I'd
  find some way to get out of your path.
 
  Here's my suggestion for how Microsoft should deal with Linux:
  Don't beat 'em, join 'em.
 
  Do a release of MS Linux. Create Office for Linux. Improve Linux
  support in your development tools. Do such a good job of
  embracing and extending Linux that the world won't care when you
  essentially annex it for your own. A more cynical person than myself
  might add: Then you can kill it. I won't, because I believe Linux
  deserves to live.
 
  I think this is the only way Microsoft can both give its
  customers what they want and manage the threat Linux poses on
  something approaching your own terms.
 
  The first question people will immediately ask is: How can
  Microsoft participate in an open operating system? Two ways:
  First, by making it as robust an OS as possible. Second, by
  creating a collection of services and applications that run atop
  Linux that only Microsoft controls.
 
  The goal here is to shift the competition away from commodity
  operating systems running on commodity computers. Instead, you
  should compete on services that sit atop the OS, tools to build
  applications for it, and integration between the OS and other
  servers and desktops in the Microsoft world.
 
  The second inevitable question: What about Linux on the desktop?
  While Apple has proven with OS X that a really great desktop can
  be built atop Unix, I'm not sure how far Microsoft wants to go
  down this road. There should probably be an Office for MS Linux,
  because some people will want to run Office on Linux desktops.
  But I'd probably stop there.
 
  BY ADOPTING Linux as its own, Microsoft can 

Re: [newbie] Dear Steve: Time for Microsoft Linux?

2003-06-09 Thread Mike Larson
Another typical stupid article by David Coursey to generate more hits 
for ZDNet.

M$ is in business solely for the purpose of squeezing the most $ 
possible from the locked in users of their monopolistic and proprietary 
OS. They would never (willingly) have anything to do with open source. 
If someday Linux has 90% of the market, they might reconsider, but by 
that time their stock price would be approaching zero and it wouldn't 
matter.

JMO,

Mike

Alan Dunford wrote:
A friend sent this to me - thought it might be of some interest!!!

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 Dear Steve: Time for Microsoft Linux?
 By David Coursey, AnchorDesk
 June 8, 2003 9:00 PM PT
 Dear Steve Ballmer:

 Concerning Linux and your memo/exhortation of June 4, I'm
 pleased to see you've finally recognized--publicly, at least--the
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Re: [newbie] Dear Steve: Time for Microsoft Linux?

2003-06-09 Thread Charlie
quoting Alan Dunford's missive of Monday 09 June 2003 09:23 am:
 A friend sent this to me - thought it might be of some interest!!!

None, zero, nada, zilch, don't waste the bandwidth.

WHACK

rant
I said it a couple of years ago on the ZDNet Talk back net forum and I'll say 
it this one last time;

David Coursey is a slobbering (p)sycophant and shill for Microsoft, or any 
other company willing to pay him for an opinion, that hasn't a clue. 

He's the worst kind of tech-journalist in that he'll whore for anybody 
that's willing to give him something free for the price of his opinion in 
an article that is nothing more than thinly disguised advertising copy for 
whatever company has paid today's bill.
/rant

I also said I'd never read another of his shit articles. So what was this one 
supposedly about? g

C.
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Re: [newbie] Dear Steve: Time for Microsoft Linux?

2003-06-09 Thread Stephen Kuhn
On Tue, 2003-06-10 at 01:23, Alan Dunford wrote:
 A friend sent this to me - thought it might be of some interest!!!
 

Classic. Very Classic.

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