Re: [newbie] Desktop misalignment on laptop screen
This is food for thought instead of a potential answer... The last few days, I have been struggling to get some old video cards and monitors to properly display X in RedHat 8.0, Mandrake 8.2 and 9.0. The difficulties have come about in both video drivers and version of the XFree86 server used. When I am able to choose the 3.3.6 in Mandrake 8.2, I have the best chance of success, though not with all cards I am using and/or monitors. RedHat 8.0 does not come with the option of downgrading to the older server. I am sure I could remedy that on-line, but not at this point of my 'newbiness'. My thoughts are this: The older the X-server version I use, the better my success working with older video cards (also interpret as cards with under 8 MB RAM and especially of the S3 chipset variation) as well as older monitors (also to be interpreted as monitors or LCD's? that are not capable of high-frequency output under high color depth, or not at all.) I just wonder if laptop LCDs, especially if a few years old or more, would run better with an older server version? In my case, if I reverted back to installing Turbo Linux 3.0.3 (~ circa 1998), I get excellent video/monitor control from a default installation on each and every one of these older cards and monitor combinations. I did a little reading at www.xfree86.org and learned that while there is a desire to make newer servers backward compatible to older video hardware, the porting takes time and is not guaranteed to happen for all. The fact that Mandrake gives you the choice of 3.3.6 over 4.2.2 emphasizes its importance to some, and in my case, made 8.2 work where even 9.0 wouldn't. Like I said...no answers for you. Just more questions for you to ponder as you try to figure it out. If you haven't tried using XFree86 3.3.6 on your laptop, this might be your solution. However, if you haven't and wish to do so without reinstalling, I am afraid you will have to ask others here to help you. I am still not at that stage in the game to help you change over. :-) T - Original Message - From: Flux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Desktop misalignment on laptop screen Hi there. I was having the same problem on a Compaq EVO N150 except the screen was shifted a few pixels to the right instead of up. In any case, since you're using a laptop, xvidtune won't do squat for you, and any re- alignment in Windows won't help at all either, due to the fact that they aren't using the same drivers or whatever. So far, after reinstalling Mandrake/RedHat several times over and over, all I can say is that there appears no way to actually fix it, because its a laptop screen. (I really hope someone can contend this, but I doubt it) I'll tell you what, though. I had this problem when I first installed RedHat 7.3. Then, after wanting to try other things, I installed Mandrake 9.0 over top of RH. Well, guess what? The problem went away and the screen was perfectly aligned. However, then I reinstalled Mandrake due to my own stupidity, and then problem was back. And it wouldn't leave, as I mentioned above. My $0.02. -Law 11/16/2002 4:49:54 PM, Peter Spotts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, I have a slight (and only slightly annoying) problem with Mandrake 8.1 on a new Toshiba laptop (1905-303). My desktop, be it Ximian Gnome or Fluxbox, appears to be raised off the bottom of the screen by about four to six pixels. The side-to-side alignment seems OK. I have the laptop set up as a dual-boot machine with Windows XP on the other side of the no-byte zone. The problem doesn't exist on that side of the divide. I also made sure I selected the appropriate driver when I installed MDK8.1 (ATI Radeon). Any thoughts as to how I can get an exact fit of desktop to screen? -- ~~~ Peter N. Spotts Science and technology correspondent | The Christian Science Monitor One Norway Street, Boston, MA USA 02115 Office: 1-617-450-2449 | Office-in-home: 1-508-520-3139 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.csmonitor.com ~~~ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Desktop misalignment on laptop screen
Hmm, that food looks tasty, but I've had my share and I have to say it doesn't taste very good. :) That's one of the tricks I tried down my lengthy road of re-installations. I swear I must have tried all combinations that I could, with either XFree server version, and nothing worked for me, personally. I also even tried 'drivers' for different adapters, thinking I could fool it! But in return, I was the one to get fooled... Anyway, that's -my- response. Others may (and hopefully will!) vary... -Law 11/18/2002 10:18:12 AM, Technoslick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is food for thought instead of a potential answer... The last few days, I have been struggling to get some old video cards and monitors to properly display X in RedHat 8.0, Mandrake 8.2 and 9.0. The difficulties have come about in both video drivers and version of the XFree86 server used. When I am able to choose the 3.3.6 in Mandrake 8.2, I have the best chance of success, though not with all cards I am using and/or monitors. RedHat 8.0 does not come with the option of downgrading to the older server. I am sure I could remedy that on-line, but not at this point of my 'newbiness'. My thoughts are this: The older the X-server version I use, the better my success working with older video cards (also interpret as cards with under 8 MB RAM and especially of the S3 chipset variation) as well as older monitors (also to be interpreted as monitors or LCD's? that are not capable of high-frequency output under high color depth, or not at all.) I just wonder if laptop LCDs, especially if a few years old or more, would run better with an older server version? In my case, if I reverted back to installing Turbo Linux 3.0.3 (~ circa 1998), I get excellent video/monitor control from a default installation on each and every one of these older cards and monitor combinations. I did a little reading at www.xfree86.org and learned that while there is a desire to make newer servers backward compatible to older video hardware, the porting takes time and is not guaranteed to happen for all. The fact that Mandrake gives you the choice of 3.3.6 over 4.2.2 emphasizes its importance to some, and in my case, made 8.2 work where even 9.0 wouldn't. Like I said...no answers for you. Just more questions for you to ponder as you try to figure it out. If you haven't tried using XFree86 3.3.6 on your laptop, this might be your solution. However, if you haven't and wish to do so without reinstalling, I am afraid you will have to ask others here to help you. I am still not at that stage in the game to help you change over. :-) T - Original Message - From: Flux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Desktop misalignment on laptop screen Hi there. I was having the same problem on a Compaq EVO N150 except the screen was shifted a few pixels to the right instead of up. In any case, since you're using a laptop, xvidtune won't do squat for you, and any re- alignment in Windows won't help at all either, due to the fact that they aren't using the same drivers or whatever. So far, after reinstalling Mandrake/RedHat several times over and over, all I can say is that there appears no way to actually fix it, because its a laptop screen. (I really hope someone can contend this, but I doubt it) I'll tell you what, though. I had this problem when I first installed RedHat 7.3. Then, after wanting to try other things, I installed Mandrake 9.0 over top of RH. Well, guess what? The problem went away and the screen was perfectly aligned. However, then I reinstalled Mandrake due to my own stupidity, and then problem was back. And it wouldn't leave, as I mentioned above. My $0.02. -Law 11/16/2002 4:49:54 PM, Peter Spotts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, I have a slight (and only slightly annoying) problem with Mandrake 8.1 on a new Toshiba laptop (1905-303). My desktop, be it Ximian Gnome or Fluxbox, appears to be raised off the bottom of the screen by about four to six pixels. The side-to-side alignment seems OK. I have the laptop set up as a dual-boot machine with Windows XP on the other side of the no-byte zone. The problem doesn't exist on that side of the divide. I also made sure I selected the appropriate driver when I installed MDK8.1 (ATI Radeon). Any thoughts as to how I can get an exact fit of desktop to screen? -- ~~~ Peter N. Spotts Science and technology correspondent | The Christian Science Monitor One Norway Street, Boston, MA USA 02115 Office: 1-617-450-2449 | Office-in-home: 1-508-520-3139 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.csmonitor.com ~~~ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Desktop misalignment on laptop screen
El sáb, 16-11-2002 a las 16:49, Peter Spotts escribió: Folks, I have a slight (and only slightly annoying) problem with Mandrake 8.1 on a new Toshiba laptop (1905-303). My desktop, be it Ximian Gnome or Fluxbox, appears to be raised off the bottom of the screen by about four to six pixels. The side-to-side alignment seems OK. I have the laptop set up as a dual-boot machine with Windows XP on the other side of the no-byte zone. The problem doesn't exist on that side of the divide. I also made sure I selected the appropriate driver when I installed MDK8.1 (ATI Radeon). Any thoughts as to how I can get an exact fit of desktop to screen? I had a similar problem: the X display was off center. Outside of X the display was centered correctly. I solved it by running xvidtune, which among other things lets you align the X display horizontally and vertically. Try it and let us know if the problem persists. -- Warren Post Santa Rosa de Copán, Honduras http://www.srcopan.vze.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Desktop misalignment on laptop screen
Warren Post wrote: El sáb, 16-11-2002 a las 16:49, Peter Spotts escribió: Folks, I have a slight (and only slightly annoying) problem with Mandrake 8.1 on a new Toshiba laptop (1905-303). My desktop, be it Ximian Gnome or Fluxbox, appears to be raised off the bottom of the screen by about four to six pixels. The side-to-side alignment seems OK. I have the laptop set up as a dual-boot machine with Windows XP on the other side of the no-byte zone. The problem doesn't exist on that side of the divide. I also made sure I selected the appropriate driver when I installed MDK8.1 (ATI Radeon). Any thoughts as to how I can get an exact fit of desktop to screen? I had a similar problem: the X display was off center. Outside of X the display was centered correctly. I solved it by running xvidtune, which among other things lets you align the X display horizontally and vertically. Try it and let us know if the problem persists. I've always had this problem. Being the Linux bigot that I am, I assumed it was Windows that was off-centre. Sir Robin -- Do unto others what you would like others to do unto you. And have fun doing it. - Linus Torvalds Robin Turner IDMYO, Bilkent University Ankara 06533 Turkey www.bilkent.edu.tr/~robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Desktop misalignment on laptop screen
Folks, I have a slight (and only slightly annoying) problem with Mandrake 8.1 on a new Toshiba laptop (1905-303). My desktop, be it Ximian Gnome or Fluxbox, appears to be raised off the bottom of the screen by about four to six pixels. The side-to-side alignment seems OK. I have the laptop set up as a dual-boot machine with Windows XP on the other side of the no-byte zone. The problem doesn't exist on that side of the divide. I also made sure I selected the appropriate driver when I installed MDK8.1 (ATI Radeon). Any thoughts as to how I can get an exact fit of desktop to screen? -- ~~~ Peter N. Spotts Science and technology correspondent | The Christian Science Monitor One Norway Street, Boston, MA USA 02115 Office: 1-617-450-2449 | Office-in-home: 1-508-520-3139 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.csmonitor.com ~~~ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Desktop misalignment on laptop screen
On Sun, 2002-11-17 at 09:49, Peter Spotts wrote: Folks, I have a slight (and only slightly annoying) problem with Mandrake 8.1 on a new Toshiba laptop (1905-303). My desktop, be it Ximian Gnome or Fluxbox, appears to be raised off the bottom of the screen by about four to six pixels. The side-to-side alignment seems OK. I have the laptop set up as a dual-boot machine with Windows XP on the other side of the no-byte zone. The problem doesn't exist on that side of the divide. I also made sure I selected the appropriate driver when I installed MDK8.1 (ATI Radeon). Any thoughts as to how I can get an exact fit of desktop to screen? -- ~~~ Peter N. Spotts Science and technology correspondent | The Christian Science Monitor One Norway Street, Boston, MA USA 02115 Office: 1-617-450-2449 | Office-in-home: 1-508-520-3139 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.csmonitor.com ~~~ ...ok...you're going to need a flathead screwdriver, small crowbar, 32oz ballpeen hammer, 8oz of Mazola, 1 roll of duct tapeOH WAIT, that's for my wife...sorry... Isn't there a means by which you can do a screen adjustment on the Toshiba? If I recall, there was a utility Toshiba threw on their laptops that did basically that...albeit a pain to do when booting back and forth between OS's...can't quite remember the name of it though... -- Sun Nov 17 09:50:01 EST 2002 |____ | | / \ /| |'-. | | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | | | / \__.`=._) (_ |kuhn media australia | |/ ._/ || |http://kma.0catch.com | |'. `\ | | |stephen kuhn | ;/ / | | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | smk ) /_/| |.---.| |mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' |linux user:267497 Life can be so tragic -- you're here today and here tomorrow. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Desktop misalignment on laptop screen
Dang, you've got one heck of a wife! I'll go back to the dark (sorry, Windows) side of the partition and see about adjustments. I presume this means that I'm going to have to tolerate some degree of mismatch on the Windows side in exchange for a better fit on the Penguin side? Thanks for the suggestion... Best regards, Pete On Sat, 2002-11-16 at 17:56, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sun, 2002-11-17 at 09:49, Peter Spotts wrote: Folks, I have a slight (and only slightly annoying) problem with Mandrake 8.1 on a new Toshiba laptop (1905-303). My desktop, be it Ximian Gnome or Fluxbox, appears to be raised off the bottom of the screen by about four to six pixels. The side-to-side alignment seems OK. I have the laptop set up as a dual-boot machine with Windows XP on the other side of the no-byte zone. The problem doesn't exist on that side of the divide. I also made sure I selected the appropriate driver when I installed MDK8.1 (ATI Radeon). Any thoughts as to how I can get an exact fit of desktop to screen? -- ~~~ Peter N. Spotts Science and technology correspondent | The Christian Science Monitor One Norway Street, Boston, MA USA 02115 Office: 1-617-450-2449 | Office-in-home: 1-508-520-3139 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.csmonitor.com ~~~ ...ok...you're going to need a flathead screwdriver, small crowbar, 32oz ballpeen hammer, 8oz of Mazola, 1 roll of duct tapeOH WAIT, that's for my wife...sorry... Isn't there a means by which you can do a screen adjustment on the Toshiba? If I recall, there was a utility Toshiba threw on their laptops that did basically that...albeit a pain to do when booting back and forth between OS's...can't quite remember the name of it though... -- Sun Nov 17 09:50:01 EST 2002 |____ | | / \ /| |'-. | | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | | | / \__.`=._) (_ |kuhn media australia | |/ ._/ || |http://kma.0catch.com | |'. `\ | | |stephen kuhn | ;/ / | | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | smk ) /_/| |.---.| |mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' |linux user:267497 Life can be so tragic -- you're here today and here tomorrow. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
