RE: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO
your forgetting that M$ office preloads libs when you start your PC, just like IE so it makes office start faster... they would have you believe its because of the special people they are :-) rgds Franki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Damian G Sent: Wednesday, 18 September 2002 12:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO I timed OO and it opened in 20 secs. Using 900mhz Duron and a 40gig 7200rpm uhm we were talking about old ( i.e. Pentium 233 ) machines.. :o) Maxtor hd. Not super fast but not any worse than MSword. Oh, this is on 9.0rc1. ML 9.0 seems to be faster than 8.2 anyhoo, just an impression but it does feel faster. -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Damian -- boot into windows? what has smashing glass with footwear got to do with Operating systems? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO
Title: RE: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO Sorry, missed that part of the thread. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Damian G Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 11:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO I timed OO and it opened in 20 secs. Using 900mhz Duron and a 40gig 7200rpm uhm we were talking about old ( i.e. Pentium 233 ) machines.. :o) Maxtor hd. Not super fast but not any worse than MSword. Oh, this is on 9.0rc1. ML 9.0 seems to be faster than 8.2 anyhoo, just an impression but it does feel faster. -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Damian -- boot into windows? what has smashing glass with footwear got to do with Operating systems?
RE: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO
Title: RE: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO I found it here: Looks like 7.0 anyhoo, ftp://ftp.proxad.net/pub/Distributions_Linux/Mandrake-iso/i586/ HTH, Dennis M. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Richard Gilbert Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 10:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO THANKS EVERYBODY who responded to this question, BUT... I still have some significant problems... (1) WHERE can I obtain Mandrake 7.0 ??? The site appears to have 8.1 only. (2) HOW can I install it from a 3.5 floppy? This is my only choice. Please HELP!
Re: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO
On Wed, 2002-09-18 at 17:15, Damian G wrote: As i stated in an earlier post, i still have not attempted to load OpenOffice in my 233mhz/32MB Ram machine. however Word97 runs very acceptably on it. There are a couple of preloading applications around for OOo: http://ooqstart.sourceforge.net/ (Gnome) http://segfaultskde.berlios.de/index.php?content=oooqs (KDE) http://evolvedoo.sourceforge.net/ (both) Hancom Office is fast though ugly: http://en.hancom.com/ Alastair signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO
On Wednesday 18 Sep 2002 6:25 pm, Alastair Scott wrote: On Wed, 2002-09-18 at 17:15, Damian G wrote: As i stated in an earlier post, i still have not attempted to load OpenOffice in my 233mhz/32MB Ram machine. however Word97 runs very acceptably on it. There are a couple of preloading applications around for OOo: http://ooqstart.sourceforge.net/ (Gnome) http://segfaultskde.berlios.de/index.php?content=oooqs (KDE) http://evolvedoo.sourceforge.net/ (both) Hancom Office is fast though ugly: http://en.hancom.com/ Alastair I think the original issue was not How quickly does OO load on a low end machine, but Will OO run acceptably on a low end machine The answer to that question is IMO no. I have OO on my 233MHz laptop, and it is so slow following mouse and keyboard input as to be all but unusable. By contrast Abiword and Gnumeric are nimble and a pleasure to use. On my 850MHz desktop OO works just fine. derek Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO
I wonder if you have compared how fast OO opens in linux the second time? On Wednesday 18 September 2002 12:15 pm, you wrote: On Wed, 18 Sep 2002 20:05:06 +0800 Franki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: your forgetting that M$ office preloads libs when you start your PC, just like IE so it makes office start faster... they would have you believe its because of the special people they are :-) rgds Franki Actually, Franki, i have to disagree with that common belief that the ONLY reason for MS office to start faster is because it's half-preloaded. I'm sorry, but it just doesn't seem true. I agree that this is the case fon Internet Explorer and Outlook Express, but not for office. this is my argument: Download and install codeweaver's ( or winehq's if you like it ) Wine. install it and tweak it untill you can get a small .exe (let's say notepad) in less than 5 seconds. a good way to do this is disable load windows registry keys, load global registry keys and set only one directory for fonts, instead of four paths that the config seems to request. Also, configure just a few drives, say, one for storing the exe files, and call that a c:\ .. then a floppy disk and a CD drive. you should need no more. after that, go into your windows partition and launch Word (word 97 seems to be the only one that works with these versions of wine, so it'll have to be that). Linux doesn't preload Microsoft Office, does it? :o) However, MS Office under wine still starts up in less than 10 seconds ( and even less if i leave out the time that Wine needs for starting itself, reading fonts and stuff... ) while OO can take up to 45 the computer i used for this test. ( a PII 400) As i stated in an earlier post, i still have not attempted to load OpenOffice in my 233mhz/32MB Ram machine. however Word97 runs very acceptably on it. About IE and OE, the preloading story seems to be very true. and you can feel it especially on low-memory systems. when you have only 32MB of RAM, all that libs and half-programs simply do not fit into memory, so right after windows boots up, it thrashes the harddrive to death. And, stupidly, all that preloading goes right into the swap for the OS to work. So when you start up IE or OE .. all the preloaded applications have to read the preloaded stuff from disk anyway. there's when you notice what IE6 and OE6 really are. they are just like a big old fat Mozilla 0.0.1 slow as a fat girl playing dodge-ball Damian PS: This is a note for anyone reading this post: I really don't feel like starting a OO vs. MSO war. I think i provided enough info for anybody to try this test for themselves, so i suggest every reader of this post to try this. It really opens your eyes a bit. Don't let the M$ is evil concept blur your intelligence. Be objective about this kind of stuff. I wonder if you have compared how fast OO opens in linux the second time? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO
On Wednesday 18 September 2002 9:15 am, Damian G did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: PS: This is a note for anyone reading this post: I really don't feel like starting a OO vs. MSO war. I think i provided enough info for anybody to try this test for themselves, so i suggest every reader of this post to try this. It really opens your eyes a bit. Don't let the M$ is evil concept blur your intelligence. Be objective about this kind of stuff. i have to say that while MS is evil, office is (or at least 97 was, haven't used the newer ones) one of the things they do well. i am very glad to hear about crossover office because it means the only savig grace to bills empire can run in linux. still they took that saving grace and fscked it up with their file formats. the size of the files alone should explain that! agreed. on the other foot, most people will never need more than what OO gives. i completely agreed. know we could have used it in the school i used to work for. 36 teachers each running office? you have any idea what that costs a school that has to run hand me down computers? shane, i was just comparing speed and performance on slow computers. There's no question whatsoever about OO's usability. (i have switched to it) there's no question whatsoever about how expensive MS can be, either. All i was trying to do was to state that, under certain conditions, OO.org is a trade-off. Waiting over a minute for startup, having your word processor playing catch-up with your typing and waiting 5 seconds for a right-click menu to pop up is not my idea of a 'usable program'. some years ago i bought a book to learn some modeling in discreet's 3D MAX program. in one of the first chapters, the author made some statememts about system requirements for 3D modeling. It was something like: There's no point for me trying to recommend a processor or type of computer, as probably by the time you read this, my recomendation will be obsolete already. but there's an easy way to find out if your computer is good enough for you, or not: If your workflow stalls because you are waiting for the computer to finish it's job, and you realize that your knowledge and ideas could be flowing faster but your computer is delaying you, then you need a faster computer. On the other foot ( as you say ;o)) OpenOffice is not the only word processor available to Linux. Abiword and Gnumeric could also be enough for an average user, and probably work very well on low-end computers. Time and MDK9 will tell. Damian -- boot into windows? what has smashing glass with footwear got to do with Operating systems? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO
I wonder if you have compared how fast OO opens in linux the second time? hm.. actually, i haven't... you are right, it does start faster.. but still i think there's no comparison.. the difference is not that great. Damian -- boot into windows? what has smashing glass with footwear got to do with Operating systems? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO
On Tue, 17 Sep 2002 16:19, Damian G wrote: On Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:01:36 -0400 Richard Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 16 Sep 2002 22:45:56 -0300, Damian G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 16 Sep 2002 16:02:41 -0700 shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 16 September 2002 1:55 pm, Olaf Marzocchi did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: I think the latest Redhat is still able to install on a 486. yes, but on 32 megs? would it run? or crawl? ;-) i've made a Pentium 233 with 32 MB of RAM run VERY well on Mdk8.2. All you have to do is take care which apps you run, for example, Fluxbox as a WM, Sylpheed as the mail proggie, Galeon or Opera as browsers, XWC, ROX or filerunner for filemanagers.. and you get a Linux installation that can run twice as fast as it's windows95 counterpart, or even faster. Hi Damian, Could you elaborate a bit on this. I've a P-166 w/ 32 megs currently running win98lite. I've thought that the key is maybe not using a desktop, just X and maybe IceWM, sylpheed, Opera, maybe ROX but I've never tried it. Is it possible to run with neither kde or gnome? And look for X apps? thanks, Richard. sure. this is what i did on that machine. first, a FULL install of Mandrake 8.2. all packages, all window environments, all programs. by the time i was installing i had not decided which programs to use, so i was gonna pick later. for this task i set up a 7GB ReiserFS partition plus an excessive 500 MB swap (i knew it was going to get used a lot, so..) well, once everything was done, up running, the setup was pretty much what i described in the last message. once logged in: (of course booting left you in a text login screen) the session manager was 'Xtart' which is a text-mode menu which lets you select your windowmanager. Fluxbox starts un on that machine in about 5 seconds, which is very acceptable. Sylpheed starts up in AMAZING 3 seconds. ( This machine used to give me enough time to go to the bathroom for a leak wile Outlook Express loaded.. ) As for the rest, filerunner, rox, Gaim and Licq for IM, they all popped up in under 10 seconds, which is a whole lot faster that windoze counterparts.. ( ever tried to load ICQ2001b on your machine? :o) ) Opera was the fastest browser to start, also. and the most responsive. The overall performance of this computer was really good, considering what the hardware was. ( 2 MB video RAM, SoundBlaster16... 22X CD-Rom..) for example, this little test i did: if i boot win98 on this machine, i open up 3 Internet explorer windows, play MP3 music on WinAmp, and fire up ICQ2001b and outlook express 5.5, all at the same time, the system got so slow you had time to count to three before any window responded to mouse clicks. the mp3 playing in winamp would sound a bit choppy when i moved windows around and opened, say, a Notepad. On linux, Opera with 3 windows opened inside of it, Xmms playing MP3, Gaim and sylpheed worked reasonably well. Granted, there was about a second of thrashing in the HD after every window minimize/maximize or opening new dialogs and such, but it was, never the less, impressive. Of course, the one big downfall of this installation was office apps, so i had to leave it dual-boot and use Office97 for word processing and spreadsheets.. :oP Damian I have 7.1 happily running on a p100 with 4Gig and 64Megs and for office apps Star Office 5. KDE is quite responsive and it equates very favourably with W98. I loaded almost everything off the disks (box pack) then disabled starting of the services i didn't need. -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO
THANKS EVERYBODY who responded to this question, BUT... I still have some significant problems... (1) WHERE can I obtain Mandrake 7.0 ??? The site appears to have 8.1 only. (2) HOW can I install it from a 3.5 floppy? This is my only choice. Please HELP! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO
Richard Gilbert wrote: THANKS EVERYBODY who responded to this question, BUT... I still have some significant problems... (1) WHERE can I obtain Mandrake 7.0 ??? The site appears to have 8.1 only. (2) HOW can I install it from a 3.5 floppy? This is my only choice. Please HELP! I still have M7.0 around somewhere, I could write you a copy, but as for a floppy, some hope. You have to have a cdrom. then set bios to boot from cdrom device, then boot up and install completes. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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(1) WHERE can I obtain Mandrake 7.0 ??? The site appears to have 8.1
only.
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ftptmp/1032279120.560904864db6f6126a1ba69a1784a332.php#others
(2) HOW can I install it from a 3.5 floppy? This is my only choice.
after you get the ISO look over the read me for a floppy boot install and if
it isn't come on back :-)
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Re: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO
Shane,
Now I am back to where I started -- this is what I downloaded, and it
is 8.1
Please advise
Richard
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On Tuesday 17 September 2002 8:36 am, Richard Gilbert did speak unto
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(1) WHERE can I obtain Mandrake 7.0 ??? The site appears to have
8.1
only.
http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ftptmp/1032279120.560904864db6f6126a1
ba69a1784a332.php#others
(2) HOW can I install it from a 3.5 floppy? This is my only
choice.
after you get the ISO look over the read me for a floppy boot
install and if
it isn't come on back :-)
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Re: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO
Yes, I have done this -- they are all 8.1 in this section. I'm about to give up. - Original Message - From: shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 17 September 2002 9:21 am, shane did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/ftptmp/1032279120.560904864db6f6126a1 ba6 9a1784a332.php#others ok, oddly the link fails. looking at it must be a generated page. try this, go to the mandrake site, and go into the download section. tell them you will be a club member later (you will right? i mean if you use the product, just later, right?) and in the download section choose Mandrake 7.0/i486 ISO Image for a mirror list. you want the i486 version. use an ftp client if you can. - -- A computer without Windows is like a chocolate cake without mustard. shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 @ http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9h12qBwq+ZwvIN/oRAuhXAKCCbYtG4LEHeiiCDN/ZDt7A68j2lACfbb39 YPYjsciZYm+H0XQppZlJewE= =f7sI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 17 September 2002 10:09 am, Richard Gilbert did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: Yes, I have done this -- they are all 8.1 in this section. I'm about to give up. i am concerned then, cause i have it open now, and it has no 8.1, but does have a 7.0 486. infact ftp://wuarchive.wustl.edu/mirrors/Mandrake-iso/i586 may say 586, but the iso is mandrake70-2.i486.iso - -- god is omnipotent, omnicient, and omnibenevolent-says so right on the label. and if you believe that i have some land for sale, but cash only, and in small bills -long shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9h2T1Bwq+ZwvIN/oRAnCkAJ4911FD5XEAVu0eRKA5BhXaUd8bDACcDGF2 9uyfAqCqNofcs8GopZNhDCQ= =EKyy -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO
Shane, I'm sorry, I finally found it, and burned a CD of it. But now, lo and behold, my damnable Windows machine can't even SEE my CD drive!!! Any thoughts? I have an old BIOS, and may be hopeless. - Original Message - From: shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 17 September 2002 10:09 am, Richard Gilbert did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: Yes, I have done this -- they are all 8.1 in this section. I'm about to give up. i am concerned then, cause i have it open now, and it has no 8.1, but does have a 7.0 486. infact ftp://wuarchive.wustl.edu/mirrors/Mandrake-iso/i586 may say 586, but the iso is mandrake70-2.i486.iso - -- god is omnipotent, omnicient, and omnibenevolent-says so right on the label. and if you believe that i have some land for sale, but cash only, and in small bills -long shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 @ http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9h2T1Bwq+ZwvIN/oRAnCkAJ4911FD5XEAVu0eRKA5BhXaUd8bDACcDGF2 9uyfAqCqNofcs8GopZNhDCQ= =EKyy -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 10:36 am, Richard Gilbert wrote: THANKS EVERYBODY who responded to this question, BUT... I still have some significant problems... (1) WHERE can I obtain Mandrake 7.0 ??? The site appears to have 8.1 only. (2) HOW can I install it from a 3.5 floppy? This is my only choice. Please HELP! I can burn you a copy of the 7.0 disks and the floppy from a boxed set just send me your snail mail address off list.[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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I can not view the cd, but my BIOS does not allow me to boot from a cd! Can I create floppies? - Original Message - From: shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 17 September 2002 2:22 pm, Richard Gilbert did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: Shane, I'm sorry, I finally found it, and burned a CD of it. But now, lo and behold, my damnable Windows machine can't even SEE my CD drive!!! Any thoughts? I have an old BIOS, and may be hopeless. well i can't explain why it won't see the drive. if it only fails to see the cd it may be a bad burn. the bios age should only force you to boot with a floppy to install. it should still work. i have installed a couple of times that way. can you view the cd on another machine? a friends or work machine maybe? - -- After you install Windows XP, you have the option to create user accounts. If you create user accounts, by default, they will have an account type of Administrator with no password. -- Microsoft KnowledgeBase article Q293834 shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 @ http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9h6J9Bwq+ZwvIN/oRAva3AJ4zrcz8ymYgItpahLbpduYhp/kPvwCggZ8N HQDDHeX1t9qmR6uDr45Wupg= =7br0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 15:50, Richard Gilbert wrote: I can not view the cd, but my BIOS does not allow me to boot from a cd! Can I create floppies? How did you burn the ISO if your machine can't see the CD? You have another machine? If so, take the CD to the machine you burned with then cd to the /images directory on the CD then type: /dosutils/rawrite at the prompt: cdrom.img at the drive prompt: a It will then make an install floppy and the install process should detect your CDROM for you. Bill Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO
Richard, I haven't paid as much attention to this thread as I probably should have, so please bear with me if I require you to get me caught-up with the rest... Are the following true? 1) You have a 80486 and want to install some distro of Linux? 2) Your CD-ROM drive will not work? Choose 1 only -- a) no matter what O/S you use? b) only with the Linux boot disk starting the install? c) only with the Linux CD (which you burned yourself elsewhere) in the CD drive? Number One is obviously true. If under Number Two: 1) You are able to use the CD-ROM drive under Windows/DOS, but not under Linux, you may have a CD-ROM drive that has an interface not compatible with the distro's default drivers. Is the CD-ROM drive an IDE or is it attached to the sound card with a proprietary interface? My guess is the latter may require using a boot image that has the older non-IDE drivers on it that use to standard issue five to seven years ago. The necessary boot image is on the CD, assuming you are using that 'older' distro. 2) I am running very nicely RH 6.1 on a 486 board (Kingston P133 Overdrive chip), 64 MBs RAM, 3 GB HD, 4X IDE CD-ROM. Gnome even skips to the lue! Mandrake 7.2 runs OK, but Gnome is a bit painful on this distro. I had less problems with installing RH 6.1, but that is no discredit to Mandrake. There's a lot of difference between the two versions in time and accomplishments. If getting a copy of either of the two distros is of importance to you, and shipping a CD to you is not going to cost me an arm, a leg and three fingers, your welcome to one. Just email me privately so as not to tie up the listserv with it. 3) Be aware of the fact that CD-ROM drives of the 2X - 10X range may not be able to read CD-Rs! If your drive is older, like the system you are loading onto, your drive may not be able to read ANY distro burned non-professionally. In this, I am assuming that you burned the distro on some 'other' PC than this one. I have a Samsung 10X that will not read ANY CD-R, yet functions fully. I also have a Goldstar 4X, older, that reads CD-Rs fine. The fastest drive I have ever owned that won't read a properly burned CD-R is a Toshiba 24X. Go figure? 4) Are you sure that your CD is readable to begin with? Have you checked it out on a known working system to see if the CD-ROM can be read? If you don't have one, call a neighbor or friend and see if the CD can be read on their system. It doesn't need to be running Linux to be seen. If they can see it, your CD-ROM drive is still the focus of your problem. I see that Bill Spatz just hit the listserv with what I am hoping you were not asking about. You do know how to make a bootable floppy from the CD to start the install process that way? Right? If I repeated what has already been said, sorry. Paul - Original Message - From: Richard Gilbert Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 5:50 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO I can not view the cd, but my BIOS does not allow me to boot from a cd! Can I create floppies? - Original Message - From: shane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday 17 September 2002 2:22 pm, Richard Gilbert did speak unto the huddled masses, saying: Shane, I'm sorry, I finally found it, and burned a CD of it. But now, lo and behold, my damnable Windows machine can't even SEE my CD drive!!! Any thoughts? I have an old BIOS, and may be hopeless. well i can't explain why it won't see the drive. if it only fails to see the cd it may be a bad burn. the bios age should only force you to boot with a floppy to install. it should still work. i have installed a couple of times that way. can you view the cd on another machine? a friends or work machine maybe? - -- After you install Windows XP, you have the option to create user accounts. If you create user accounts, by default, they will have an account type of Administrator with no password. -- Microsoft KnowledgeBase article Q293834 shane Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 Mandrake Users Club Member http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/club/ Registered linux user #101606 @ http://counter.li.org/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9h6J9Bwq+ZwvIN/oRAva3AJ4zrcz8ymYgItpahLbpduYhp/kPvwCggZ8N HQDDHeX1t9qmR6uDr45Wupg= =7br0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services
Re: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO
Bill, I am stuck at the following: D:\IMAGES/dosutils/rawrite I get: d:\dosutils\rawrite.ext is not a valid Win32 application. - Original Message - From: Bill Spatz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO On Tuesday 17 September 2002 15:50, Richard Gilbert wrote: I can not view the cd, but my BIOS does not allow me to boot from a cd! Can I create floppies? How did you burn the ISO if your machine can't see the CD? You have another machine? If so, take the CD to the machine you burned with then cd to the /images directory on the CD then type: /dosutils/rawrite at the prompt: cdrom.img at the drive prompt: a It will then make an install floppy and the install process should detect your CDROM for you. Bill -- -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO
On Tuesday 17 September 2002 09:27 pm, Damian G wrote: What about openoffice with the above setup? If that also runs reasonably good, then for office users can get benefit from your experience. will try it soon. however i do not expect OO's startup time to be under a minute. given the rumors about Gnome2's and Mandrake9's speed i'm going to put 9.0 on that machine as soon as it is released. So that will give me a chance to test Gnumeric and Kword as well.. if i get interesting results, i'll post back. see ya. Damian I timed OO and it opened in 20 secs. Using 900mhz Duron and a 40gig 7200rpm Maxtor hd. Not super fast but not any worse than MSword. Oh, this is on 9.0rc1. ML 9.0 seems to be faster than 8.2 anyhoo, just an impression but it does feel faster. -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Help! Installing from ISO
I timed OO and it opened in 20 secs. Using 900mhz Duron and a 40gig 7200rpm uhm we were talking about old ( i.e. Pentium 233 ) machines.. :o) Maxtor hd. Not super fast but not any worse than MSword. Oh, this is on 9.0rc1. ML 9.0 seems to be faster than 8.2 anyhoo, just an impression but it does feel faster. -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Damian -- boot into windows? what has smashing glass with footwear got to do with Operating systems? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
