Re: [newbie] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
On Tue, 24 Dec 2002 23:51:22 -0500 Carroll Grigsby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Question: Where is it written that Mandrake has to turn out a new release every six months? We've always done it that way and Everyone else does it that way are not acceptable responses. There was some talk this summer about extending the release interval and, IIRC, the response was largely favorable. As a boss of mine once said, Right now we have to deal with the alligators that are biting us in the ass; we'll get back to draining the swamp later. An added benefit to a longer development cycle is that it would encourage more users to participate in beta testing. It's my understanding that Mandrakesoft was under contract (with McMillan?) to produce a new release every six months (regardless of stability). I don't know if that is one of the contracts that the new capital increase refers to or if it's already expired. I do know that there has been talk of it on this list and the Club boards a while back and the general consensus was to slow down the release cycle, assuming they could get out of the contract. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
On Wednesday 25 Dec 2002 4:51 am, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Monday 23 December 2002 06:11 pm, civileme wrote: I have some good news and some urgent news 1. I will be returning to the lists. I will have an email address that can handle list level traffic. 2. All of you are desperately needed to complete the push to get Mandrakesoft on a self-sustaining level. snip But now the break-even point, in the worst-case scenario, is in sight and in a few months. The short term still requires more cash than they have now, to get out that next release. snip Still loyal to MandrakeLinux, Civileme Civileme: This is really great news. Now, if Santa leaves a bright red Ferrari in the drive tonight, this will be the second best Christmas ever. (None of your business about #1.) Question: Where is it written that Mandrake has to turn out a new release every six months? We've always done it that way and Everyone else does it that way are not acceptable responses. There was some talk this summer about extending the release interval and, IIRC, the response was largely favorable. As a boss of mine once said, Right now we have to deal with the alligators that are biting us in the ass; we'll get back to draining the swamp later. Love that one! An added benefit to a longer development cycle is that it would encourage more users to participate in beta testing. Particularly since comments have been made about the speed of new betas making it difficult to keep abreast. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
On Monday 23 Dec 2002 11:11 pm, civileme wrote: Good to see you. Now I know it's Christmas Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus -- Civileme is back! On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 14:11:24 -0900 civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have some good news and some urgent news 1. I will be returning to the lists. I will have an email address that can handle list level traffic. 2. All of you are desperately needed to complete the push to get Mandrakesoft on a self-sustaining level. For the second one, here is the real story: Mandrakesoft started on a shoestring and a hope, originally as a spare-time project for one person. It was immensely popular from inception and soon MADE A PROFIT. Then arrived the venture capitalists They invested monies but wanted an international team of executives to manage the company. Such a team was acquired. Under that team, the expenses went up about 400% without a concomitant increase in revenue. The direction was modified from a linux distributor to an internet education company with a hook to linux. The soundness of that idea was never proven, as the dot.com bubblke burst and investors worldwide went into full retreat. For Mandrakesoft this was a curse and a blessing. The curse was the negative cash position and high burn rate and the blessing was a return to being a linux company. Mandrakesoft has made huge strides in bringing revenue up to meet expenses and in cutting expenses. They tended to trust the word of others which has made their forecasts look overly optimistic several times. But now the break-even point, in the worst-case scenario, is in sight and in a few months. The short term still requires more cash than they have now, to get out that next release. In that next release will be a special piece of software I am contributing. With little to do since my layoff, I have designed a semi-intelligent linux binary installer that can handle most of what you are able to download. It even has hooks to look for things like WineX and to atempt to install windows executables if you have an emulator for them. But if you want to see that next release, consider a club membership or giving club memberships as Christmas gifts or buying stock at approximately the right price. (BTW, MIcrosoft stock which sells at Like $52 /share has 8 billion shares outrstanding on a company that earns $25 billion a year in revenue BEFORE expenses--call that a heavily ewatered stock) Mandrakesoft stock is selling for what the company is probably worth. Remember its assets are PEOPLE and their products. People like Pixel and Gael Duval and Denis Havlik and Guillaume Cottenceau make the product and the company what it is. Mandrake also has a hidden asset in the loyalty of contributors, And they are finally selling the right way--software is free if you want it and rather expensive if you expect extensive support. So anyway, expect to see me return to the lists now that I have an email that will handle it without quota problems and (I hope) without any more crack attacks or DDOSes which is what originally set me to dropping my mailserver and forwarding to a hidden webmail host. Still loyal to MandrakeLinux, Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
On Monday 23 December 2002 05:11 pm, civileme wrote: I have some good news and some urgent news 1. I will be returning to the lists. I will have an email address that can handle list level traffic. 2. All of you are desperately needed to complete the push to get Mandrakesoft on a self-sustaining level. For the second one, here is the real story: Mandrakesoft started on a shoestring and a hope, originally as a spare-time project for one person. It was immensely popular from inception and soon MADE A PROFIT. Then arrived the venture capitalists They invested monies but wanted an international team of executives to manage the company. Such a team was acquired. Under that team, the expenses went up about 400% without a concomitant increase in revenue. The direction was modified from a linux distributor to an internet education company with a hook to linux. The soundness of that idea was never proven, as the dot.com bubblke burst and investors worldwide went into full retreat. For Mandrakesoft this was a curse and a blessing. The curse was the negative cash position and high burn rate and the blessing was a return to being a linux company. Mandrakesoft has made huge strides in bringing revenue up to meet expenses and in cutting expenses. They tended to trust the word of others which has made their forecasts look overly optimistic several times. But now the break-even point, in the worst-case scenario, is in sight and in a few months. The short term still requires more cash than they have now, to get out that next release. In that next release will be a special piece of software I am contributing. With little to do since my layoff, I have designed a semi-intelligent linux binary installer that can handle most of what you are able to download. It even has hooks to look for things like WineX and to atempt to install windows executables if you have an emulator for them. But if you want to see that next release, consider a club membership or giving club memberships as Christmas gifts or buying stock at approximately the right price. (BTW, MIcrosoft stock which sells at Like $52 /share has 8 billion shares outrstanding on a company that earns $25 billion a year in revenue BEFORE expenses--call that a heavily ewatered stock) Mandrakesoft stock is selling for what the company is probably worth. Remember its assets are PEOPLE and their products. People like Pixel and Gael Duval and Denis Havlik and Guillaume Cottenceau make the product and the company what it is. Mandrake also has a hidden asset in the loyalty of contributors, And they are finally selling the right way--software is free if you want it and rather expensive if you expect extensive support. So anyway, expect to see me return to the lists now that I have an email that will handle it without quota problems and (I hope) without any more crack attacks or DDOSes which is what originally set me to dropping my mailserver and forwarding to a hidden webmail host. Still loyal to MandrakeLinux, Civileme Yeeehaaa, he's back and coming out swinging. Welcome home Civileme. -- Dennis M. linux user # 180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
On Monday 23 December 2002 23:38, Charlie wrote: On December 23, 2002 04:11 pm, civileme wrote: I have some good news and some urgent news 1. I will be returning to the lists. I will have an email address that can handle list level traffic. 2. All of you are desperately needed to complete the push to get Mandrakesoft on a self-sustaining level. For the second one, here is the real story: Mandrakesoft started on a shoestring and a hope, originally as a spare-time project for one person. It was immensely popular from inception and soon MADE A PROFIT. Then arrived the venture capitalists They invested monies but wanted an international team of executives to manage the company. Such a team was acquired. Under that team, the expenses went up about 400% without a concomitant increase in revenue. The direction was modified from a linux distributor to an internet education company with a hook to linux. The soundness of that idea was never proven, as the dot.com bubblke burst and investors worldwide went into full retreat. For Mandrakesoft this was a curse and a blessing. The curse was the negative cash position and high burn rate and the blessing was a return to being a linux company. Mandrakesoft has made huge strides in bringing revenue up to meet expenses and in cutting expenses. They tended to trust the word of others which has made their forecasts look overly optimistic several times. But now the break-even point, in the worst-case scenario, is in sight and in a few months. The short term still requires more cash than they have now, to get out that next release. In that next release will be a special piece of software I am contributing. With little to do since my layoff, I have designed a semi-intelligent linux binary installer that can handle most of what you are able to download. It even has hooks to look for things like WineX and to atempt to install windows executables if you have an emulator for them. But if you want to see that next release, consider a club membership or giving club memberships as Christmas gifts or buying stock at approximately the right price. (BTW, MIcrosoft stock which sells at Like $52 /share has 8 billion shares outrstanding on a company that earns $25 billion a year in revenue BEFORE expenses--call that a heavily ewatered stock) Mandrakesoft stock is selling for what the company is probably worth. Remember its assets are PEOPLE and their products. People like Pixel and Gael Duval and Denis Havlik and Guillaume Cottenceau make the product and the company what it is. Mandrake also has a hidden asset in the loyalty of contributors, And they are finally selling the right way--software is free if you want it and rather expensive if you expect extensive support. So anyway, expect to see me return to the lists now that I have an email that will handle it without quota problems and (I hope) without any more crack attacks or DDOSes which is what originally set me to dropping my mailserver and forwarding to a hidden webmail host. Still loyal to MandrakeLinux, Civileme Civileme; My loyalty is to the Mandrake people. Developers, testers, experts _and_ newbies. Including the rare gurus on the lists such as (and especially) you! Welcome home; I think we've all missed your input and presence. Happy Holidays everyone. I just feel as though I received the best Christmas present ever. Civileme is back. g Regards; Oi Charlie, don't overdo that! Next Civileme will be having to buy new boots every week, or so;o) Civileme nice to see you back...you'd how be surprised how often I've heard you mentioned in the most unexpected of places.especially wheelhouses! --Just for the record: I gave everything ample thought, I don't like stocks (too many men in the middle) so I've added another 12 months to my silver membership. If I keep up this rate I'll be paying 'till my pension:o) I for one would hate to see Mdk go, not so much for the software (I'm a Slackware-junk too) but for what they stand for and how they do it. Up and away packing to spend Xmas in Germany(Muenster), let's see if we can drop a few Mdk9.0's over there in Suse County;o) Bless you all, HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
On Mon, 2002-12-23 at 18:11, civileme wrote: I have some good news and some urgent news 1. I will be returning to the lists. I will have an email address that can handle list level traffic. Yaaahh h!!! Happy day, and Merry Christmas!! ;) --LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
On December 23, 2002 06:01 pm, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: snip Oi Charlie, don't overdo that! Next Civileme will be having to buy new boots every week, or so;o) Civileme nice to see you back...you'd how be surprised how often I've heard you mentioned in the most unexpected of places.especially wheelhouses! --Just for the record: I gave everything ample thought, I don't like stocks (too many men in the middle) so I've added another 12 months to my silver membership. If I keep up this rate I'll be paying 'till my pension:o) I for one would hate to see Mdk go, not so much for the software (I'm a Slackware-junk too) but for what they stand for and how they do it. Up and away packing to spend Xmas in Germany(Muenster), let's see if we can drop a few Mdk9.0's over there in Suse County;o) Bless you all, HarM I see what you mean HarM. But I thought I was exercising at least a _modicum_ of restraint. Maybe not though. :-) You should read some of the things I've written when I was being overly enthusiastic. ;-) On the other hand I have no control over these blasted Fortune Cookies tagged on my messages. Or at least I choose not to control them. Seemed appropriate anyway. Happy and safe Holidays to you and yours as well. Wow 'em in SuSe town! nasty grin insert Regards; -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org I like to believe that people in the long run are going to do more to promote peace than our governments. Indeed, I think that people want peace so much that one of these days governments had better get out of the way and let them have it. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
At 04:38 PM 12/23/2002 -0700, you wrote: Civileme; My loyalty is to the Mandrake people. Developers, testers, experts _and_ newbies. Including the rare gurus on the lists such as (and especially) you! Welcome home; I think we've all missed your input and presence. Happy Holidays everyone. I just feel as though I received the best Christmas present ever. Civileme is back. g Regards; -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada So agreed... W/B Civilme :) I know I missed ya! *Kisses!* - FemmeFatale Good Decisions You boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
Hello! On Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:11 am, civileme wrote: I have some good news and some urgent news 1. I will be returning to the lists. I will have an email address that can handle list level traffic. Nice to see you (and good support!) back! For a moment I thought you'd moved to SuSE! (j/k) In that next release will be a special piece of software I am contributing. With little to do since my layoff, I have designed a semi-intelligent linux binary installer that can handle most of what you are able to download. It even has hooks to look for things like WineX and to atempt to install windows executables if you have an emulator for them. A good installer program is always welcome (even if it means downloading on dialup). For the moment, rpmdrake will do. But if you want to see that next release, consider a club membership or giving club memberships as Christmas gifts or buying stock at approximately the right price. (BTW, MIcrosoft stock which sells at Like $52 /share has 8 billion shares outrstanding on a company that earns $25 billion a year in revenue BEFORE expenses--call that a heavily ewatered stock) Mandrakesoft stock is selling for what the company is probably worth. Remember its assets are PEOPLE and their products. People like Pixel and Gael Duval and Denis Havlik and Guillaume Cottenceau make the product and the company what it is. Mandrake also has a hidden asset in the loyalty of contributors, And they are finally selling the right way--software is free if you want it and rather expensive if you expect extensive support. I would buy some stock except that as a high school student, I can't afford to. Especially if it's in US dollars. [a bit OT] Has anyone heard about David Faure? Apparently he now works for some german company called datakonsult, not mandrake... well, i guess without developers there's no use for tech support! Merry christmas! _nasturtium P.S.: I hope you still live in Anchorage (i hate to waste postage)! (maybe one day I'll buy a ProSuite - with extended support option - and ask for a housecall :-) ) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Increase of Capital for Mandrakesoft
On Mon, 23 Dec 2002 17:18:50 -0900 civileme [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have some good news and some urgent news 1. I will be returning to the lists. I will have an email address that can handle list level traffic. I can't tell you how happy I am to have you back on the lists. I am absolutely THRILLED! And we're with ya. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
