[newbie] Installing themes

2000-06-14 Thread Fred Hamilton

I am still looking for answers in installing programs. When I install an 
RMPS package the application does not appear on my KDE menu. Do I have to 
manually install it and if so, how? Where does the program get installed? I 
saw nothing that led me to believe I could control where it gets installed. 
Also I am still receiving the error "Can only start executables on local 
disks." I am confused by this message as well. When installing an 
application in TAR or GZ format, what file do I typically look for to 
install it? (ie, install.exe or setup.exe in Windows, What's the equivalent 
in Linux?) And lastly, I have several KDE themes I want to install in GZ 
format. Where do I copy them in order for them to appear in my Themes 
choices? Sorry if all this sounds to simple to ask about... I am a Systems 
Analyst in the MS Windows world, but am brand new to Linux, but I like 
Linux better so far. Once I get past the learning curve I may use it 
exclusively...

Fred

PS: What is one of the better email clients? I use Eudora Pro in Windows 
and would like something similar for Linux.
Where are some of the better sites for obtaining Linux software on the web, 
and for learning about Linux?




RE: [newbie] Installing themes (Winblows, Winblows, Winblows)

2000-06-14 Thread Jose M. Sanchez



-Original Message-
From: Fred Hamilton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2000 1:56 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [newbie] Installing themes


I am still looking for answers in installing programs. When I install an
RMPS package the application does not appear on my KDE menu. Do I have to
manually install it and if so, how?

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Normally the answer is yes, you do have to install it manually. But there
are exceptions.

The new GNOME has a feature that can be exploited by the RPM package to
automatically add the appropriate entries in the menu without user
intervention.

Kapp-finder, the applet. Also searches for already installed programs that
it knows about, and adds them to your menu.

Some packages are also KDE aware, and you may find that after re-starting
KDE the entries will appear automatically.

You also might want to enable the Debian and Afterstep menus in KDE  Gnome
so that apps which add entries to those menus get automatically
incorporated.

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How do you add your own?

Two ways... you can create an "Icon" using KDE and then drop it into the
menu.

You can also use the menu editor for either Gnome or KDE to add the
application.

Both the Gnome and KDE docs have instructions on both.

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Where does the program get installed?

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That depends upon the program itself, and how it was compiled originally.

Since most programs are dependant upon finding ancillary resources somewhere
else in the tree where they expect them to be, it is never a good idea to
put the programs elsewhere.

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 I saw nothing that led me to believe I could control where it gets
installed.

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Using RPM no, it takes care of this for you. There ARE switches to override
the defaults, but this is not a good idea.

If you REALLY feel the need to change the install paths, you should use the
SOURCE RPM's and rebuild them. There are switches that enable alternate
paths for Libs, executables, etc. which you can specify during compilation.

The resulting re-compiled package installs into the new structure you
specify.



Also I am still receiving the error "Can only start executables on local
disks." I am confused by this message as well.

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Sounds like you are trying to install or execute programs on NFS or other
mounted volumes (such as CD-ROM) but the mount point might not have execute
permission on it.

Normally this is a result of setting your security high.

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When installing an application in TAR or GZ format, what file do I typically
look for to
install it?

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With a TAR or GZ file, you are pretty much on your own.

TAR and GZ files for the most part ASSUME that you know what you are doing,
with exceptions. Most need re-compilation in order to run.

It's like getting a program like WinZip in source format. Now you have to
figure out what to do with it!

Since Mandrake never "finds out" about these applications you can create
many problems for yourself this way.

As a Newbie, your best bet is to use the RPM's. Worst case get the SOURCE
RPM's
which end in .SRC.RPM and you can tell RPM to "rebuild" or recompile them.

Often the latter cause RPM to create a new executable that depends upon what
you have on your system. If you've ever encountered a program that doesn't
seem to run because of a Library conflict, even though it installed,
rebuilding will often cure the problem.

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(ie, install.exe or setup.exe in Windows, What's the equivalent
in Linux?)

Setup and install in windows are part of installation PACKAGES.

Though most programs have you execute a SETUP.EXE file, all that file does
is utilize Winblow's (let me say that again for you ANTI-MICROSOFT bashing
naysayers... WINBLOWS, WINBLOWS, WINBLOWS) native package installer.

Likewise Mandrake uses Redhat's excellent package installer called RPM.

Thus, grab the package you want... Learn to love http://rpmfind.net  and
install it with

rpm -Uvh packagename.ver.i586.RPM

If you get an error, well you've probably grabbed a package that depends
upon other packages being present, which are not installed on your system.

The GNOME and KDE package Managers (DrakRPM is a variant of Gnome's) will
list the dependancies for you...

That said, there is a MUCH better way to do all of this...

Use GNOMERPM and point it to RPMFIND.NET in the configuration section. (THIS
MIGHT ALREADY BE THE DEFAULT...)

Now pay attention class...

GnomeRPM's WEB find feature MIGHT appear not to work... It DOES, you must be
connected to the internet before you start the program. Hit the WEB FIND
button and --WAIT---

After a while you'll be presented with a list of packages you can download
and install.

But it get's better. If you select a package GNOMERPM will DOWNLOAD all the
dependancies as well. You can have it grab and install everything in one
click.

It will also give you a nice description of what the package does, and other
data...




And lastly, I have several KDE themes I want to in

Re: [newbie] Installing themes

2000-06-14 Thread Anthony Huereca


 I am still looking for answers in installing programs. When I install an 
 RMPS package the application does not appear on my KDE menu. Do I have to 
 manually install it and if so, how? Where does the program get installed? I 
 saw nothing that led me to believe I could control where it gets installed. 

Programs don't always get put onto the KDE menu. Sometimes you're just going to
have to run it from the command line. Open up a terminal window (should be one
of the buttons down at the bottom taskbar) and then type in the program name
you want. For instance, if you installed xmms-1.0.1-10mdk.rpm, then you'd type
"xmms" (without the quotes) to run it.

 Also I am still receiving the error "Can only start executables on local 
 disks." I am confused by this message as well. 

Whend do you get the message? What are you trying to do?

When installing an 
 application in TAR or GZ format, what file do I typically look for to 
 install it? (ie, install.exe or setup.exe in Windows, What's the equivalent 
 in Linux?) 

Sadly, installing in Linux still isn't quite that easy in most situations. The
closest thing to a .exe is a .rpm. Read my explaination on .tar.gz's that I
wrote in another post for more information on how to install those things.

And lastly, I have several KDE themes I want to install in GZ 
 format. Where do I copy them in order for them to appear in my Themes 
 choices? Sorry if all this sounds to simple to ask about... 

http://kde.themes.org/php/docs.phtml?docid=21secid=3.2 explains how to do it.

I am a Systems 
 Analyst in the MS Windows world, but am brand new to Linux, but I like 
 Linux better so far. Once I get past the learning curve I may use it 
 exclusively...

Yep, the learning curve is steep, but it's well worth it.

 
 Fred
 
 PS: What is one of the better email clients? I use Eudora Pro in Windows 
 and would like something similar for Linux.

Never used Eudora, but one of the best on Linux is Kmail. There are some newer
ones in development that are supposed to be like MS Outlook (minus the security
holes : ) but for the moment, Kmail is your best bet.

 Where are some of the better sites for obtaining Linux software on the web, 

http://freshmeat.net --has thousands of Linux programs. 
http://rpmfind.net --thousands of Linux rpm's. 

 and for learning about Linux?

Here's my Linux links: http://m3000.1wh.com/linux/links.html
-- 
Anthony Huereca
http://m3000.1wh.com
Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.