Re: [newbie] Multiboot on same drive
Johan Scheepers wrote: OK sorry - new - no OS.. If it is new you can install/remove at your hearts contend - it will make you confident and see for yourself what happens. I see some suggestions write to stiffy etc - what I found with my test that the first time around there was no choice - not what I could detect. The second time around after 3rd disk you have a choice like skip and a few others. Johan So the really important thing is that after the first M9.1 install is complete you earn the right to skip lilo install. Not very convenient for those linux users that only want to boot off floppies, but it should enable me to skip second lilo install, thanks, John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Multiboot on same drive
Johan Scheepers wrote: Hi John The drive you are using is it live or clean? Not sure what you mean. I have a 40gig maxtor . just the one. I am reasonably sure that if your first istall will write its detections to MBR sure. and the second install will overwrite MBR with its own detections. sure it will The last install will activate its own flavour and maybe will have problem with first install - that you can correct using the examples I posted. ok. OK I have a spare drive I will experiment over the weekend. install dos install mdk9.1 expert mode but let it write MBR. install mdk9.1 auto mode Make copies of lilo.conf of both installations. Will check for lilo not to install Did mine in auto - I am sure mdk9.0 has has that option. I will do this just for the expspeariance. Johan I would like to do the second M9.1 install and be sure NOT to install a lilo anywhere, but so far I haven't seen any means by which you can skip the lilo install on current M9.1 install discs. Then use the lilo of the first M9.1 install, and it's link with /etc/lilo.conf in the first M9.1 OS, to enter a stanza to boot the second M9.1 OS, but I'm not at all confident that , a) I can skip the second lilo install, b) That the lilo of the first install will not get confused which of the two /etc/lilo.conf scripts now available to it, and end up reading the wrong lilo.conf script, the one from the second M9.1 install. Am I assured this will not happen ? How does Lilo map itself to /etc/lilo.conf, will it find the correct partition to read lilo.conf ? when you have two identicle M9.1 on the same drive ? I just wonder how lilo maps lilo.conf ? I am guessing that it is merely set up to look for an /etc/lilo.conf in / partition, but that would be risky, it might find the /etc/lilo.conf of any old linux OS, so there must be something more to make certain of it. I suppose, when lilo is installed, it maps the partition table and is told to look for a /etc/lilo.conf on /dev/hd(x) where x is the partition in question. So that would be all right then. That makes sure it doesn't pick the wrong one. In which case it's just a question of making sure lilo does not get installed on the second M9.1 install, anyone know for sure how to do that, because so far I haven't noticed how to do it on the current version of drakeX. John Now that would indeed be very kind of you as I don't want to sod up what I've just spend days configuring, and I don't have a spare machine to experiment with right now. This whole thing must have a simple solution, I just cannot believe people haven't solved the problem by now. I am guessing in the past when you could easily skip the second lilo /mbr install it was just as simple as that, but do prove me wrong. john John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Multiboot on same drive
Johan Scheepers wrote: Hi to John Richard Smith , May the following be of assistance - it is part of a previous message I posted.. This is more detailed than the one posted earlier today - use them both.. snip Something else I would like to point out - I used Mandrake9.1 install partitioning to do the disk - when it reached apps to install I reset the PC. I prefer mandrake partitioninig - more friendly for me. This is for information only to someone who may need it. Have installed 3 OS's on one disk - see below I installed dos - then - redhat - then - mandrake. Do not forget make boot disks. They do not see each other or use each others partitions unless mounted. When I installed redhat I let it install lilo - when you install mandrake it will owerwrite the MBR with its version and this way you can test out redhat before you continue. Mandrake was last - I found in the past that mandrake is good at detecting OS,s and configuring them in lilo. This time detected but used mandrakes linuz initrd. All examples refer to my setup. This just show the drive setup. Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hde1 * 1 101 811251 6 FAT16 - Dos /dev/hde2 102 2494 19221772+ 5 Extended /dev/hde5 102 1261 9317668+ 83 Linux --Redhat8.0 /dev/hde6 1262 1362 811251 82 Linux swap -for both /dev/hde7 1363 2494 9092758+ 83 Linux --Mandrake9.1 What is importend for this to work is the following after all installs done.. 1. With Mandrake loaded.(your last installation) 2. Su in console. 3. mkdir /mnt/redhat. 4. mount -t ext3 /dev/hde /mnt/redhat - THIS IS VERY IMPORTEND otherwise it will just NOT work. If redhat is not mounted by fstab (I dont do - only on console when needed) If you should run lilo -v on another day - repeat 4. 5. cd /etc 6. gedit lilo.conf 7. add the lines as below and save. 8. lilo -v. ( MBR ). 9. What is importend add /mnt/redhat to image and initrd - if you leave it out at initrd -- command lilo -v will complain : fatal: no such file or directory. After a lot of grief I realized this. snip image=/mnt/redhat/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.20-8 label=Redhat root=/dev/hde5 initrd=/mnt/redhat/boot/initrd-2.4.20-8.img read-only Enjoy Johan May this be a good day for learning Thanks, I understand this completely. You are installing 3 quite different OS's on one or more hard drive, fine. But what if your installing, W2k, M9.1 , and another M9.1 on the same hard drive. The second M9.1 to be used purely for updating with latest cooker updates. How do you do that ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Multiboot on same drive
Johan Scheepers wrote: Hi to John Richard Smith , May the following be of assistance - it is part of a previous message I posted.. This is more detailed than the one posted earlier today - use them both.. snip Something else I would like to point out - I used Mandrake9.1 install partitioning to do the disk - when it reached apps to install I reset the PC. I prefer mandrake partitioninig - more friendly for me. This is for information only to someone who may need it. Have installed 3 OS's on one disk - see below I installed dos - then - redhat - then - mandrake. Do not forget make boot disks. They do not see each other or use each others partitions unless mounted. When I installed redhat I let it install lilo - when you install mandrake it will owerwrite the MBR with its version and this way you can test out redhat before you continue. Mandrake was last - I found in the past that mandrake is good at detecting OS,s and configuring them in lilo. This time detected but used mandrakes linuz initrd. All examples refer to my setup. This just show the drive setup. Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hde1 * 1 101 811251 6 FAT16 - Dos /dev/hde2 102 2494 19221772+ 5 Extended /dev/hde5 102 1261 9317668+ 83 Linux --Redhat8.0 /dev/hde6 1262 1362 811251 82 Linux swap -for both /dev/hde7 1363 2494 9092758+ 83 Linux --Mandrake9.1 What is importend for this to work is the following after all installs done.. 1. With Mandrake loaded.(your last installation) 2. Su in console. 3. mkdir /mnt/redhat. 4. mount -t ext3 /dev/hde /mnt/redhat - THIS IS VERY IMPORTEND otherwise it will just NOT work. If redhat is not mounted by fstab (I dont do - only on console when needed) If you should run lilo -v on another day - repeat 4. 5. cd /etc 6. gedit lilo.conf 7. add the lines as below and save. 8. lilo -v. ( MBR ). 9. What is importend add /mnt/redhat to image and initrd - if you leave it out at initrd -- command lilo -v will complain : fatal: no such file or directory. After a lot of grief I realized this. snip image=/mnt/redhat/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.20-8 label=Redhat root=/dev/hde5 initrd=/mnt/redhat/boot/initrd-2.4.20-8.img read-only Enjoy Johan As I said, this is a 3 different OS install, ie dos, redhat,mandrake. What if you want W2000 , M9.1 and again M9.1. I still think there are issues to sort out. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Multiboot on same drive
Hi John, OK I do not no about w2k but I had win XP and MD8.0 run together for 6 months until the drive crashed - no fault of the OS's - after replacement I use them seperate. While it was working it worked fine. It was a cleaen drive to start - I used partition magic to partition the disk. Like.. hda1 - win xp hda5 - MD8.0 hda6 - swap Installed win xp first then MD8.0 This is to let linux detect OS's and config lilo and write to MBR What now happens is when pick win xp on GUI it start win xp loader and there you pick again if req. If you pick linux then it start. ** In your case lets asume clean drive. Ok you can partition as follow. hda1 - w2k hda2 - extended partition hda5 - linux flavour 1 hda6 - swap ( only one for both flavours they wont be running at the same time - mine works like that) hda7 - linux flavour 2.. Maybe a dos partition after hda2 for a transfer area between the OS's - linux can read vfat 16, 32 but i do not now other flavours and visa versa.. You need a common denominator to transfer stuf around - I use dos partition for that reason. If you do this then part no's change. * Again if it is a clean drive you can use linux to patition the drive as suggested - then install first flavour in EXPERT mode to HDA5 or 7 - (it does not really matter) - to prevent MD to write the MBR. Now install w2k on HDA1.(it will write to MBR) Then install flavour 2 to your open linux partition - now you may use auto install - you need to let it detect and config lilo and write MBR. Be sure to make boot disks. Now if all go to plan your last install wil be in charge of booting. Maybe you may need my example of lilo.conf to correct your config. If this is a LIVE disk you need someting like partition magic it works very nice BUT it failed me once. Maybe linux can partition live drive - I do not know. Then do as suggested and install. *** Now something interesting - I read it in a linux mag and tried it - it works. If you have a second drive - you can create there a partiton to put the swap or /home - and maybe more I only tried this. *** Ok if all this works you may access the other flavour from the live flavour by mounting it manually (would not advize to put it in fstab). What is importend here if you accessed the not live then you can not do like cd /boot it will revert to live one - you MUST do like cd /manx/root then it will move inside the not live flavour. Ok I have these rack and trays and seven HD's of diiferent makes and size. My Importent 2 drives I keep save - the rest I do experiment with. Trust the above will be of assistance. Feel free to ask if you need more info - it is difficult to know what you need. Enjoy Johan - Original Message - From: John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 12:34 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Multiboot on same drive Johan Scheepers wrote: Hi to John Richard Smith , snip Thanks, I understand this completely. You are installing 3 quite different OS's on one or more hard drive, fine. But what if your installing, W2k, M9.1 , and another M9.1 on the same hard drive. The second M9.1 to be used purely for updating with latest cooker updates. How do you do that ? John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Multiboot on same drive
Johan Scheepers wrote: Hi John, OK I do not no about w2k but I had win XP and MD8.0 run together for 6 months until the drive crashed - no fault of the OS's - after replacement I use them seperate. While it was working it worked fine. It was a cleaen drive to start - I used partition magic to partition the disk. Like.. hda1 - win xp hda5 - MD8.0 hda6 - swap Installed win xp first then MD8.0 This is to let linux detect OS's and config lilo and write to MBR What now happens is when pick win xp on GUI it start win xp loader and there you pick again if req. If you pick linux then it start. ** In your case lets asume clean drive. Ok you can partition as follow. hda1 - w2k hda2 - extended partition hda5 - linux flavour 1 hda6 - swap ( only one for both flavours they wont be running at the same time - mine works like that) hda7 - linux flavour 2.. Maybe a dos partition after hda2 for a transfer area between the OS's - linux can read vfat 16, 32 but i do not now other flavours and visa versa.. You need a common denominator to transfer stuf around - I use dos partition for that reason. If you do this then part no's change. * Again if it is a clean drive you can use linux to patition the drive as suggested - then install first flavour in EXPERT mode to HDA5 or 7 - (it does not really matter) - to prevent MD to write the MBR. Now install w2k on HDA1.(it will write to MBR) Then install flavour 2 to your open linux partition - now you may use auto install - you need to let it detect and config lilo and write MBR. Be sure to make boot disks. Now if all go to plan your last install wil be in charge of booting. Maybe you may need my example of lilo.conf to correct your config. If this is a LIVE disk you need someting like partition magic it works very nice BUT it failed me once. Maybe linux can partition live drive - I do not know. Then do as suggested and install. *** Now something interesting - I read it in a linux mag and tried it - it works. If you have a second drive - you can create there a partiton to put the swap or /home - and maybe more I only tried this. *** Ok if all this works you may access the other flavour from the live flavour by mounting it manually (would not advize to put it in fstab). What is importend here if you accessed the not live then you can not do like cd /boot it will revert to live one - you MUST do like cd /manx/root then it will move inside the not live flavour. Ok I have these rack and trays and seven HD's of diiferent makes and size. My Importent 2 drives I keep save - the rest I do experiment with. Trust the above will be of assistance. Feel free to ask if you need more info - it is difficult to know what you need. Enjoy Johan Yes, well, there ought to be an easy way really. Something quick and simple. I would like to do the second M9.1 install and be sure NOT to install a lilo anywhere, but so far I haven't seen any means by which you can skip the lilo install on current M9.1 install discs. Then use the lilo of the first M9.1 install, and it's link with /etc/lilo.conf in the first M9.1 OS, to enter a stanza to boot the second M9.1 OS, but I'm not at all confident that , a) I can skip the second lilo install, b) That the lilo of the first install will not get confused which of the two /etc/lilo.conf scripts now available to it, and end up reading the wrong lilo.conf script, the one from the second M9.1 install. Am I assured this will not happen ? How does Lilo map itself to /etc/lilo.conf, will it find the correct partition to read lilo.conf ? when you have two identicle M9.1 on the same drive ? I just wonder how lilo maps lilo.conf ? I am guessing that it is merely set up to look for an /etc/lilo.conf in / partition, but that would be risky, it might find the /etc/lilo.conf of any old linux OS, so there must be something more to make certain of it. I suppose, when lilo is installed, it maps the partition table and is told to look for a /etc/lilo.conf on /dev/hd(x) where x is the partition in question. So that would be all right then. That makes sure it doesn't pick the wrong one. In which case it's just a question of making sure lilo does not get installed on the second M9.1 install, anyone know for sure how to do that, because so far I haven't noticed how to do it on the current version of drakeX. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Multiboot on same drive
At 08:27 PM 6/26/2003 +0100, you wrote: bull (insert visual here) size snip Yes, well, there ought to be an easy way really. Something quick and simple. I would like to do the second M9.1 install and be sure NOT to install a lilo anywhere, but so far I haven't seen any means by which you can skip the lilo install on current M9.1 install discs. Then use the lilo of the first M9.1 install, and it's link with /etc/lilo.conf in the first M9.1 OS, to enter a stanza to boot the second M9.1 OS, but I'm not at all confident that , a) I can skip the second lilo install, b) That the lilo of the first install will not get confused which of the two /etc/lilo.conf scripts now available to it, and end up reading the wrong lilo.conf script, the one from the second M9.1 install. Am I assured this will not happen ? How does Lilo map itself to /etc/lilo.conf, will it find the correct partition to read lilo.conf ? when you have two identicle M9.1 on the same drive ? I just wonder how lilo maps lilo.conf ? I am guessing that it is merely set up to look for an /etc/lilo.conf in / partition, but that would be risky, it might find the /etc/lilo.conf of any old linux OS, so there must be something more to make certain of it. I suppose, when lilo is installed, it maps the partition table and is told to look for a /etc/lilo.conf on /dev/hd(x) where x is the partition in question. So that would be all right then. That makes sure it doesn't pick the wrong one. In which case it's just a question of making sure lilo does not get installed on the second M9.1 install, anyone know for sure how to do that, because so far I haven't noticed how to do it on the current version of drakeX. John Correct me if i'm wrong but LILO will overwrite itself if stuck to the MBR. If i'm not right I'd just write LILO to a floppy for hte one you want it to skip. That way no harm done, Lilo writes to something you can still write the OTHER lilo to your MBR after all. - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Good Decisions Your boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Multiboot on same drive
Hi to John Richard Smith , May the following be of assistance - it is part of a previous message I posted.. This is more detailed than the one posted earlier today - use them both.. snip Something else I would like to point out - I used Mandrake9.1 install partitioning to do the disk - when it reached apps to install I reset the PC. I prefer mandrake partitioninig - more friendly for me. This is for information only to someone who may need it. Have installed 3 OS's on one disk - see below I installed dos - then - redhat - then - mandrake. Do not forget make boot disks. They do not see each other or use each others partitions unless mounted. When I installed redhat I let it install lilo - when you install mandrake it will owerwrite the MBR with its version and this way you can test out redhat before you continue. Mandrake was last - I found in the past that mandrake is good at detecting OS,s and configuring them in lilo. This time detected but used mandrakes linuz initrd. All examples refer to my setup. This just show the drive setup. Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System /dev/hde1 * 1 101 811251 6 FAT16 - Dos /dev/hde2 102 2494 19221772+ 5 Extended /dev/hde5 102 1261 9317668+ 83 Linux --Redhat8.0 /dev/hde6 1262 1362 811251 82 Linux swap -for both /dev/hde7 1363 2494 9092758+ 83 Linux --Mandrake9.1 What is importend for this to work is the following after all installs done.. 1. With Mandrake loaded.(your last installation) 2. Su in console. 3. mkdir /mnt/redhat. 4. mount -t ext3 /dev/hde /mnt/redhat - THIS IS VERY IMPORTEND otherwise it will just NOT work. If redhat is not mounted by fstab (I dont do - only on console when needed) If you should run lilo -v on another day - repeat 4. 5. cd /etc 6. gedit lilo.conf 7. add the lines as below and save. 8. lilo -v. ( MBR ). 9. What is importend add /mnt/redhat to image and initrd - if you leave it out at initrd -- command lilo -v will complain : fatal: no such file or directory. After a lot of grief I realized this. snip image=/mnt/redhat/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.20-8 label=Redhat root=/dev/hde5 initrd=/mnt/redhat/boot/initrd-2.4.20-8.img read-only Enjoy Johan May this be a good day for learning Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
