Re: [newbie] OT CHEER UP Femme :)
Jan, Thank you very much! I have created a new page: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/MeteredInternetAccessCentralAmericaBelize (There was a slight delay while I located Belize ;-) And included a portion of that on the summary page: http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/MeteredInternetAccess I've taken the liberty of replying to the list so that others know this information has been added. If anyone else wants to add information about Internet costs in your country, you can register and then edit TWiki yourself. (Register at http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration -- you will need to know your name, your email address, and your home country ;-) You can also send me information via email, but I make no promises about how soon or in what form I add it. Randy Kramer Jan Wilson wrote: You are welcome to add Belize to your collection if you'd like: All Internet access is through Belize Telecommunications Ltd., which has a monopoly in Belize. All these prices are in Bz$ (Belize dollars), which are theoretically worth US 50 cents (though it is almost impossible lately to get US dollars at this exchange rate). Also, as with the Netherlands, the exchange rate only tells part of the story. Spending a dollar Belize hurts a good bit WORSE than someone in the US spending a US dollar. Anyway: Regular phone: $20 per month, plus $5 to rent a phone. Long distance rate to the US, $1.50 - $1.75 per minute. Long distance in Belize, 15 - 40 cents a minute. Local calls, 5 - 10 cents a minute. Internet access: $24 a month, plus $6 per hour for the first 12 hours, $3 per hour thereafter. Fortunately, the phone call to tie into the Internet is toll free. All access is 33.6 to about 45 kbps. Our phone bill averages about $250 a month for judicious use, so I avoid chat, wiki, and web-based anything as much as possible. Yes, it is irritating when someone quotes a long message and says, I don't have an answer, or replies to someone's reply to a joke that wasn't REALLY very funny in the first place. And then when 6 people complain, and 12 flame their complaints, and ... Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT CHEER UP Femme :)
Hanan Shargi wrote: As for those who are charged for their connection by the BITs and BYTES,,, uum ,,, perhaps its time for them to switch ISP's ??? As someone else has mentioned, people in foreign countries don't necessarily have any option available that allows free unlimited download from the Internet. See http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Wikilearn/MeteredInternetAccess for some examples of the costs involved in a few situations. (I welcome additions to this list -- it may help we Americans remember that not everybody has the same advantages that we take for granted. Since it is a wiki, you can edit and add pages yourself. Don't worry too much about format -- a wiki is a collaborative environment, and most likely someone will be around to fix the format if appropriate.)) Randy Kramer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT CHEER UP Femme :)
On Wednesday 27 March 2002 18:00, Randy Kramer wrote: Hanan Shargi wrote: As for those who are charged for their connection by the BITs and BYTES,,, uum ,,, perhaps its time for them to switch ISP's ??? As someone else has mentioned, people in foreign countries don't necessarily have any option available that allows free unlimited download from the Internet. And we should remember that in most countries, local calls are not free as they are in America. I have a free Internet connection, but until recently it was going through my normal phone line, charged at the normal phone rate (and Turkey apparently has the highest phone charges in Europe). OTOH, we should keep things in proportion. A text e-mail is usually around 1K (this one is 750 bytes so far). Even a small JPEG image is at least 5K, and a decent-sized one can be 50-100K. Opening a typical web page with a couple of banner ads is going to take up at least 30K (unless you disble graphics or use lynx, of course!). IMHO, the real wasters of bandwidth are not people who make irrelevant posts, they are people who spam you with graphic-heavy HTML mails, and well-intentioned friends who think you might find the attached 1.5M powerpoint slideshow amusing. Sir Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT CHEER UP Femme :)
On Monday 25 March 2002 08:40 pm, Hanan Shargi wrote: Hey Femme, keep your spirits and your lovely nutty posts flowing ... for those who can't stand your spirit, I still believe that subscription here is volantar. As for those who are charged for their connection by the BITs and BYTES,,, uum ,,, perhaps its time for them to switch ISP's ??? ;-) Hanan AL-Shargi Hanan: For some of our list members, your suggestion would also involve switching countries, which is not a trivial undertaking. There are still places in the world where it's like the old days on Compuserve/Genie/Delphi/etc. -- you pay by the minute rather than by the month. (Hey, honey, I wanna move to Canada. Huh? Yeah, that way I can read all of the useless crap on the mail lists without worrying about blowing the budget. See you in court., buddy. Bring your checkbook.) -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] OT CHEER UP Femme :)
Hey Femme, keep your spirits and your lovely nutty posts flowing ... for those who can't stand your spirit, I still believe that subscription here is volantar. As for those who are charged for their connection by the BITs and BYTES,,, uum ,,, perhaps its time for them to switch ISP's ??? ;-) - Hanan AL-Shargi Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT CHEER UP Femme :)
Civilme gave me a nice place to go recently, more active than the other irc channel he mentioned once. irc.openprojects.net, do a /join #Mandrake I shall hang out there. Or.. if you're feeling adventurous enough I'm almost always logged into: irc.enterthegame.com, /join #wfa *its a local channel there, and i'm an Op* HTH Femme ed tharp wrote: this is an international list, as such some folks connect via a per min charge on the ppp dialup and a per min telco charge. we could respect that and take the discussions over to mandrakeuser.org. On Monday 25 March 2002 20:40, you wrote: Hey Femme, keep your spirits and your lovely nutty posts flowing ... for those who can't stand your spirit, I still believe that subscription here is volantar. As for those who are charged for their connection by the BITs and BYTES,,, uum ,,, perhaps its time for them to switch ISP's ??? ;-) - Hanan AL-Shargi Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] OT CHEER UP Femme :)
this is an international list, as such some folks connect via a per min charge on the ppp dialup and a per min telco charge. we could respect that and take the discussions over to mandrakeuser.org. On Monday 25 March 2002 20:40, you wrote: Hey Femme, keep your spirits and your lovely nutty posts flowing ... for those who can't stand your spirit, I still believe that subscription here is volantar. As for those who are charged for their connection by the BITs and BYTES,,, uum ,,, perhaps its time for them to switch ISP's ??? ;-) - Hanan AL-Shargi Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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forwarded as explained herein -- Forwarded Message -- Status: R Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from uchu.msi.net.ph ([203.87.141.105]) by emu (EarthLink SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 16PHie10Y3NZFnx0 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 19:06:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from msi.net.ph (ADIAZ [192.168.27.155]) by uchu.msi.net.ph with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id HN8MLH9X; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:07:03 +0800 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 11:06:27 +0800 From: Anuerin G. Diaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], ed tharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] OT CHEER UP Femme, et. al. References: 3CA019D1@webmailbackup [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Status: N hi ed, as usual im cc-ing you as im pretty sure the post addressed to the group will bounce back to me after a day or two. can i ask you a favor to resend this to the list? thanks... the mandrakeuser.org/mub has a talk!talk! section which will be fine for talking about anything under the sun. the message board also contains a lot of posts and solutions (just as fine as the ones contained on this wonderful list). the board, although loosely 'moderated' by tom (tom has been known to say that it takes too much time so the board is relatively unmoderated right now), is inhabited by different kinds of people and maintains a generally friendly and community atmosphere. as long as you post in the right forum and respect the right of other posters then you wont get flamed. it also has its share of 'bad' posters but their number is too small to be considered a major problem. the good thing about the messageboard is you can disregard other topics which has no interesting value to you and spare you the time that it consumes from downloading and reading. a more loose mandrake board is located at http://linux.thayne.ws which is hosted by one of the top posters on the mub. now, there has been an upsurge on (relatively) non-helpful mails in the past few days (weeks?). while i respect the opinions of the persons concerned, i agree that not all subscribers should be subjected to such high amount of non-useful (to my opinion only) emails. as ed (and some others) has implied, you may have the bandwidth and the time but you are not us and neither are we you. you may be imparting 'gems' of thought to me but to me its just coal. i can use filters but then i would still have to download the mails before i can filter them. i can filter those with 'OT' on the subject line but i will be missing a lot of informative and humorous posts what was marked as such. to mr. john rigby. you may be experienced in your field and you may be a non-geek user but dont jam it on our throats every single time. call me a geek, call me a nerd, call me anything to alienate me from you but please respect my intentions when i joined this list and your posts are not one of them. i cant make you shut-up and have no direct right to. criticisms may be good but you are barking on the wrong tree as this list is majorly composed of users and not Mandrake employees. you said that there are 'non-geek' users here who have emailed you and said to not say their name in fear of being rebuked but they agree with what you are saying. you also said that there should be an avenue for your kind of posts and a separate list to segregate the geek from the non-geek. i agree with you so im proposing that you create another list just for that and the people that emailed you privately here could then join that list with you and 'be free of the fear' of being rebuked by the malcontent, evil mail assasins cum fire-brigade regulars here. you could create such a list fron yahoogroups or something. if you cant create one then i will volunteer to create it for you and hand you the moderatorship. may you find joy in continuing your posts there and the persons who agree with you can then chime in and maybe, just maybe, you could make a difference. you are still welcome to join here to ask, receive answers, and maybe post a little OT posts that would _interest the majority_. regarding the last statement, i have been a member of this list for some time but have no absolute right to say what can and what cannot be done here. i have been experiencing mail troubles here at the office so i cannot post directly to the list but answer what i can to the person asking questions. i dont wish to be enganged in any fight/flame war as i joined this list to learn and contribute sometimes back to the community that helped me so much. thank you and have a good day. ciao! ed tharp wrote: this is an international list, as such some folks connect via a per min charge on the ppp dialup and a per min telco charge. we
Re: [newbie] OT CHEER UP Femme :)
*smiles* Ty Hanan may many hugs come your way :) Yes well I do try to keep the OT's short for that reason love. I will continue posting here, as I've had much love come my way recently due to some extraordinary individuals here. *You all know who you are and I thank you* Femme Hanan Shargi wrote: Hey Femme, keep your spirits and your lovely nutty posts flowing ... for those who can't stand your spirit, I still believe that subscription here is volantar. As for those who are charged for their connection by the BITs and BYTES,,, uum ,,, perhaps its time for them to switch ISP's ??? ;-) - Hanan AL-Shargi Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
