Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS)
Oh, now you've got my juices flowing. When is ground not zero volts? Of course this has nothing to do with Linux, but I'm really curious. David P. Greenberg Bitco Electronics "In Service to the Recording Industry" **Rock on with glowing glass** -Original Message- From: Lyndon Lininger Sr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, November 21, 1999 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS) Very true, but ground is not always zero voltage. It depends on the point of reference that you measure it against. - Original Message - From: "David P. Greenberg" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Axalon Bloodstone" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 21, 1999 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS) On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Axalon Bloodstone wrote: On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Ralph | byte | wrote: A positive nothing is better than a negative anything. byte Not really, it just depends what the numbers represent, i can think of several uses for ground wires :) --Except that ground is zero volts. a negative voltage, is as pleasant to the touchee as a positive one. Take it from a veteran who has been many times bitten. David P. Greenberg Bitco Electronics "In Service to the Recording Industry" *Confirmed Linux Newbie* **If it's a dog eat dog world, then I must be a fire hydrant.**
Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS)
The voltage at ground can fluxiate from moment to moment on a circuit board. It can be a positive or negative voltage. It is never a constant when referenced to a true ground like a grounding rod. And this too can very depending on ground and atmospheric conditions for the area you are in. - Original Message - From: "David P. Greenberg" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 22, 1999 6:34 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS) Oh, now you've got my juices flowing. When is ground not zero volts? Of course this has nothing to do with Linux, but I'm really curious. David P. Greenberg Bitco Electronics "In Service to the Recording Industry" **Rock on with glowing glass** -Original Message- From: Lyndon Lininger Sr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, November 21, 1999 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS) Very true, but ground is not always zero voltage. It depends on the point of reference that you measure it against. - Original Message - From: "David P. Greenberg" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Axalon Bloodstone" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 21, 1999 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS) On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Axalon Bloodstone wrote: On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Ralph | byte | wrote: A positive nothing is better than a negative anything. byte Not really, it just depends what the numbers represent, i can think of several uses for ground wires :) --Except that ground is zero volts. a negative voltage, is as pleasant to the touchee as a positive one. Take it from a veteran who has been many times bitten. David P. Greenberg Bitco Electronics "In Service to the Recording Industry" *Confirmed Linux Newbie* **If it's a dog eat dog world, then I must be a fire hydrant.**
Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS)
42... The answer is 42 :) For those who don't know that was an allusion to the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, you wrote: Very true, but ground is not always zero voltage. It depends on the point of reference that you measure it against. - Original Message - From: "David P. Greenberg" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Axalon Bloodstone" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 21, 1999 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS) On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Axalon Bloodstone wrote: On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Ralph | byte | wrote: A positive nothing is better than a negative anything. byte Not really, it just depends what the numbers represent, i can think of several uses for ground wires :) --Except that ground is zero volts. a negative voltage, is as pleasant to the touchee as a positive one. Take it from a veteran who has been many times bitten. David P. Greenberg Bitco Electronics "In Service to the Recording Industry" *Confirmed Linux Newbie* **If it's a dog eat dog world, then I must be a fire hydrant.** -- PadLocke the Ogre There are three types of people in this world... those who can count, and those who can't!
Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS)
A positive nothing is better than a negative anything. byte - Original Message - From: "James Lewis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 1999 7:46 PM Subject: RE: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS) 0 is in fact an imaginary number. Try and imagine having zero of something. 0 x 1 implies there are some ones, but there are none of them. Having a zero quantity of something is in its self contradiction. You can't have nothing of something. Or have i just drank too much coffee today... -Original Message- From: Peter Heckert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 20 November 1999 21:46 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS) PadLocke wrote: zeros aren't odd or even. They're Pretty much just place holders. If you define even as: "can be divided by 2 without remainder" then 0 is even. 0 div 2 = 0, remainder = 0. Pretty long thread! ;-) Peter
Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS)
On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Ralph | byte | wrote: A positive nothing is better than a negative anything. byte Not really, it just depends what the numbers represent, i can think of several uses for ground wires :) - Original Message - From: "James Lewis" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 1999 7:46 PM Subject: RE: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS) 0 is in fact an imaginary number. Try and imagine having zero of something. 0 x 1 implies there are some ones, but there are none of them. Having a zero quantity of something is in its self contradiction. You can't have nothing of something. Or have i just drank too much coffee today... -Original Message- From: Peter Heckert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 20 November 1999 21:46 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS) PadLocke wrote: zeros aren't odd or even. They're Pretty much just place holders. If you define even as: "can be divided by 2 without remainder" then 0 is even. 0 div 2 = 0, remainder = 0. Pretty long thread! ;-) Peter -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS)
On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Axalon Bloodstone wrote: On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Ralph | byte | wrote: A positive nothing is better than a negative anything. byte Not really, it just depends what the numbers represent, i can think of several uses for ground wires :) --Except that ground is zero volts. a negative voltage, is as pleasant to the touchee as a positive one. Take it from a veteran who has been many times bitten. David P. Greenberg Bitco Electronics "In Service to the Recording Industry" *Confirmed Linux Newbie* **If it's a dog eat dog world, then I must be a fire hydrant.**
Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS)
On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, David P. Greenberg wrote: On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Axalon Bloodstone wrote: On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Ralph | byte | wrote: A positive nothing is better than a negative anything. byte Not really, it just depends what the numbers represent, i can think of several uses for ground wires :) --Except that ground is zero volts. a negative voltage, is as pleasant to the touchee as a positive one. Take it from a veteran who has been many times bitten. Think, lightening attractor David P. Greenberg Bitco Electronics "In Service to the Recording Industry" *Confirmed Linux Newbie* **If it's a dog eat dog world, then I must be a fire hydrant.** -- MandrakeSoft http://www.mandrakesoft.com/ --Axalon
Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS)
Very true, but ground is not always zero voltage. It depends on the point of reference that you measure it against. - Original Message - From: "David P. Greenberg" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Axalon Bloodstone" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 21, 1999 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS) On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Axalon Bloodstone wrote: On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Ralph | byte | wrote: A positive nothing is better than a negative anything. byte Not really, it just depends what the numbers represent, i can think of several uses for ground wires :) --Except that ground is zero volts. a negative voltage, is as pleasant to the touchee as a positive one. Take it from a veteran who has been many times bitten. David P. Greenberg Bitco Electronics "In Service to the Recording Industry" *Confirmed Linux Newbie* **If it's a dog eat dog world, then I must be a fire hydrant.**
Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS)
On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, Ralph wrote: A positive nothing is better than a negative anything. I'm fixin to declare a winner how 'bout y'all ?:) -- .. Tom Brinkman[EMAIL PROTECTED] .
RE: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS)
The way I learned it, the number zero is neither odd nor even. But 10 would be even b/c it's divisible without remainder by 2. The place holder thing is a significant digits idea,which is not always the same between math and science (physicas, chem). -- Ty Mixon e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ:26147713 Original Message On 11/20/99, 10:51:45 AM, "Ken Wilson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding RE: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS): Using this logic then the number 10 is not an even number digitally because it is just a combination of 1 and a place holder. Ken Wilson First Law of Optimisation: The speed of a non-working program is irrelevant (Steve Heller, 'Efficient C/C++ Programming') -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of PadLocke Sent: November 20, 1999 10:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS) zeros aren't odd or even. They're Pretty much just place holders.
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But the "2" in "2001" is not. here is a good one...are zeros od or even? According to a report on NPR last night, they were assumed to be even. I think if you talk to a "real mathematician" (which leaves me out) zero isn't odd or even, just as the negative numbers aren't odd or even. The quality of oddness or evenness only applies to whole numbers, i.e. positive integers. MB
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But the "2" in "2001" is not. here is a good one...are zeros od or even? According to a report on NPR last night, they were assumed to be even. I think if you talk to a "real mathematician" (which leaves me out) zero isn't odd or even, just as the negative numbers aren't odd or even. The quality of oddness or evenness only applies to whole numbers, i.e. positive integers. MB
Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS)
But the "2" in "2001" is not. here is a good one...are zeros od or even? According to a report on NPR last night, they were assumed to be even. I think if you talk to a "real mathematician" (which leaves me out) zero isn't odd or even, just as the negative numbers aren't odd or even. The quality of oddness or evenness only applies to whole numbers, i.e. positive integers. MB
Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS)
But the "2" in "2001" is not. here is a good one...are zeros od or even? According to a report on NPR last night, they were assumed to be even. I think if you talk to a "real mathematician" (which leaves me out) zero isn't odd or even, just as the negative numbers aren't odd or even. The quality of oddness or evenness only applies to whole numbers, i.e. positive integers. MB
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zeros aren't odd or even. They're Pretty much just place holders. On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, you wrote: By placement alone they would have to be odd wouldn't they? - Original Message - From: Jeremy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 19, 1999 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS) But the "2" in "2001" is not. here is a good one...are zeros od or even? J On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, you wrote: From: Ronald A. Yacketta what about 1/9/2001? is that not odd a nod number? 1 is odd, 9 is nod and oh yeah 2001 is a odd number ;-P bluebottle [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/19/99 11:55:40 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Ronald A. Yacketta/958157/EKC) Subject: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS) Today - Friday, 19/11/1999 - will be the last day that has all odd digits in it's date until 1/1/3111. That's right, you will have seen the last "odd digit day" in your lifetime, and for approximately 37 generations to come! -- PadLocke the Ogre There are three types of people in this world... those who can count, and those who can't!
Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS)
On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, you wrote: But the "2" in "2001" is not. here is a good one...are zeros od or even? According to a report on NPR last night, they were assumed to be even. John
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It has a two in it - all the digits have to be odd. John the Nadger ** Original Subject: Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS) ** Original Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Original Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 14:00:47 -0500 ** Original Message follows... From: Ronald A. Yacketta what about 1/9/2001? is that not odd a nod number? 1 is odd, 9 is nod and oh yeah 2001 is a odd number ;-P bluebottle [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/19/99 11:55:40 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Ronald A. Yacketta/958157/EKC) Subject: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS) Today - Friday, 19/11/1999 - will be the last day that has all odd digits in it's date until 1/1/3111. That's right, you will have seen the last "odd digit day" in your lifetime, and for approximately 37 generations to come! ** - End Original Message --- ** John the Nadger http://www.goon.freeuk.com
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True enough, but zero is BY DEFINITION neither odd nor even. :) Original Message On 11/20/99, 2:45:55 PM, Peter Heckert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS): PadLocke wrote: zeros aren't odd or even. They're Pretty much just place holders. If you define even as: "can be divided by 2 without remainder" then 0 is even. 0 div 2 = 0, remainder = 0. Pretty long thread! ;-) Peter
Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS)
when divided by two, odd numbers have a remainder, even numbers don't. zero divided by two has no remainder, so it's even
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0 is in fact an imaginary number. Try and imagine having zero of something. 0 x 1 implies there are some ones, but there are none of them. Having a zero quantity of something is in its self contradiction. You can't have nothing of something. Or have i just drank too much coffee today... -Original Message- From: Peter Heckert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 20 November 1999 21:46 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS) PadLocke wrote: zeros aren't odd or even. They're Pretty much just place holders. If you define even as: "can be divided by 2 without remainder" then 0 is even. 0 div 2 = 0, remainder = 0. Pretty long thread! ;-) Peter
RE: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS)
Sorry... can't let my old math profs down on this one. Zero isn't imaginary either. An imaginary number is a multiple of a quantity called "i" which is defined by the property that i squared equals -1. Zero squared is Zero and the square root of Zero is still Zero. Some people get confused, because it is hard to imagine any number having a negative square. It is tempting to believe that i doesn't really exist, but rather it's just a convenient mathematical hoop de doo. This isn't the case. Imaginary numbers do exist. They are not really imaginary at all. The name dates back to when they were first introduced, before their existence was really understood. At that point in time, people were imagining what it would be like to have a number system that contained square roots of negative numbers, hence the name "imaginary". Eventually it was realized that such a number system does in fact exist, but by then the name had stuck. On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, you wrote: 0 is in fact an imaginary number. Try and imagine having zero of something. 0 x 1 implies there are some ones, but there are none of them. Having a zero quantity of something is in its self contradiction. You can't have nothing of something. Or have i just drank too much coffee today... -Original Message- From: Peter Heckert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 20 November 1999 21:46 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS) PadLocke wrote: zeros aren't odd or even. They're Pretty much just place holders. If you define even as: "can be divided by 2 without remainder" then 0 is even. 0 div 2 = 0, remainder = 0. Pretty long thread! ;-) Peter -- PadLocke the Ogre There are three types of people in this world... those who can count, and those who can't!
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ok, i'm no math whiz, but i seem to remember imaginary numbers being used for something else. it is the set of numbers used to describe the square root of negative numbers. think of what the square root of -4 is. zero isn't an imaginary number because it has a square root, zero. 0 is in fact an imaginary number. Try and imagine having zero of something.
[newbie] Totally useless fact (OS)
Today - Friday, 19/11/1999 - will be the last day that has all odd digits in it's date until 1/1/3111. That's right, you will have seen the last "odd digit day" in your lifetime, and for approximately 37 generations to come!
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From: Ronald A. Yacketta what about 1/9/2001? is that not odd a nod number? 1 is odd, 9 is nod and oh yeah 2001 is a odd number ;-P bluebottle [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/19/99 11:55:40 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Ronald A. Yacketta/958157/EKC) Subject: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS) Today - Friday, 19/11/1999 - will be the last day that has all odd digits in it's date until 1/1/3111. That's right, you will have seen the last "odd digit day" in your lifetime, and for approximately 37 generations to come!
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True, but he did say all odd digits ^^ On Fri, 19 Nov 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ronald A. Yacketta what about 1/9/2001? is that not odd a nod number? 1 is odd, 9 is nod and oh yeah 2001 is a odd number ;-P bluebottle [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/19/99 11:55:40 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Ronald A. Yacketta/958157/EKC) Subject: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS) Today - Friday, 19/11/1999 - will be the last day that has all odd digits in it's date until 1/1/3111. That's right, you will have seen the last "odd digit day" in your lifetime, and for approximately 37 generations to come!
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yes it is, BUT 2 is an even digit and I think the point was that 11-19-1999 will be the last calander date with all odd digits. This person probably also realizes that today is the first day of the rest of the week :) *chuckle* jk On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, you wrote: From: Ronald A. Yacketta what about 1/9/2001? is that not odd a nod number? 1 is odd, 9 is nod and oh yeah 2001 is a odd number ;-P bluebottle [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/19/99 11:55:40 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Ronald A. Yacketta/958157/EKC) Subject: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS) Today - Friday, 19/11/1999 - will be the last day that has all odd digits in it's date until 1/1/3111. That's right, you will have seen the last "odd digit day" in your lifetime, and for approximately 37 generations to come! -- PadLocke the Ogre There are three types of people in this world... those who can count, and those who can't!
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But the "2" in "2001" is not. here is a good one...are zeros od or even? J On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, you wrote: From: Ronald A. Yacketta what about 1/9/2001? is that not odd a nod number? 1 is odd, 9 is nod and oh yeah 2001 is a odd number ;-P bluebottle [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/19/99 11:55:40 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Ronald A. Yacketta/958157/EKC) Subject: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS) Today - Friday, 19/11/1999 - will be the last day that has all odd digits in it's date until 1/1/3111. That's right, you will have seen the last "odd digit day" in your lifetime, and for approximately 37 generations to come!
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Q: How many Internet mailing list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? A: 1,331: 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail list that the light bulb has been changed 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently. 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs. 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs. 53 to flame the spell checkers 156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list. 41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames. 109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb 203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling and alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped. 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we are all use light bulbs and therefore the posts **are** relevant to this mail list. 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique, and what brands are faulty. 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs 14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected URLs. 3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to this list. 33 to concatenate all posts to date, then quote them including all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too." 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy. 19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three." 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ. 1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup. 47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was meant for, leave it here. 143 votes for alt.lite.bulb. (sorry about the size of this but I thought it would be aprapos, and it's S true) LOL David P. Greenberg Bitco Electronics "In Service to the Recording Industry" **Rock on with glowing glass** -Original Message- From: PadLocke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, November 19, 1999 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS) yes it is, BUT 2 is an even digit and I think the point was that 11-19-1999 will be the last calander date with all odd digits. This person probably also realizes that today is the first day of the rest of the week :) *chuckle* jk On Fri, 19 Nov 1999, you wrote: From: Ronald A. Yacketta what about 1/9/2001? is that not odd a nod number? 1 is odd, 9 is nod and oh yeah 2001 is a odd number ;-P bluebottle [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/19/99 11:55:40 AM Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Ronald A. Yacketta/958157/EKC) Subject: [newbie] Totally useless fact (OS) Today - Friday, 19/11/1999 - will be the last day that has all odd digits in it's date until 1/1/3111. That's right, you will have seen the last "odd digit day" in your lifetime, and for approximately 37 generations to come! -- PadLocke the Ogre There are three types of people in this world... those who can count, and those who can't!
