Re: [newbie] US Patents coming to a place near you...
On Wednesday 16 February 2005 09:02 pm, JoeHill wrote: > On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:34:13 -0800 > > Aron Smith disseminated the following: > > And *he * says that the OT list is opinionated. > > No, no, I said it was a 'shithole'. Don't misquote me ;-) you can't buy advertising like that,,, I tell ya,,, great stuff... keep it up Joe great stuff... just get the address right... that's the Off Topic List folks... the place to keep all this stuff (me especially) off the tech lists http://mdw1982.com/mailman/listinfo/mandrakeot (and don't forget to ask up front about or extra low cost unsubscrition fees.) rotflmao... -- linux counter #167806 (http://counter.li.org/) website="http://ed-tharp.kicks-ass.org"; Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] US Patents coming to a place near you...
On Wednesday 16 February 2005 06:02 pm, JoeHill wrote: > On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:34:13 -0800 > > Aron Smith disseminated the following: > > And *he * says that the OT list is opinionated. > > No, no, I said it was a 'shithole'. Don't misquote me ;-) like I said ;-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] US Patents coming to a place near you...
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 17:34:13 -0800 Aron Smith disseminated the following: > And *he * says that the OT list is opinionated. No, no, I said it was a 'shithole'. Don't misquote me ;-) -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 20:58:55 up 45 days, 9:40, 8 users, load average: 0.57, 0.17, 0.13 +++ Rule $19.99 (Brad `Squid' Shapcott): The Internet *isn't* *free*. It just has an economy that makes no sense to capitalism. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] US Patents coming to a place near you...
On Wednesday 16 February 2005 03:56 pm, JoeHill wrote: > On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:52:22 +0100 > > Kaj Haulrich disseminated the following: > > > It ain't all bad, a united Europe has more of a chance of > > > standing up to this sort of corporate extortion, IMO. > > > > Well Joe, first and foremost : EUrabia will never be united. On the > > contrary, it is decaying rapidly. Exactly like its predecessor, > > the Soviet Union. > > Hey, no argument there. All authoritarian regimes are doomed to failure, > according to the SNAFU principle, dare I post it again: > > http://www.jargon.net/jargonfile/s/SNAFUprinciple.html > > 'United' doesn't have to mean under the current EU model, though. I meant > it in a more general sense. > > > Thirdly, the present Patent issue is just "delayed", not removed. > > No matter what the various parliaments (including the EU > > Parliament) decides, the Politburo doesn't care one bit. > > Microsoft, Siemens, Nokia etc.. still "owns" the Commissars, the > > Eurocrats and politicians. > > Again, no argument, but it at least shows that there is enough vocal > opposition amongst 'the people' to snap some of these autocrats out of > their blissful reverie. That in and of itself, you are correct, is not > enough though. > > The best way to defeat authority, in the end, is simply to ignore it. Let > MS patent everything they want, the hackers that started this F/OSS thang > will, as they always have, simply route around the obstacles, and the users > will keep on comin' on over to a better deal. And *he * says that the OT list is opinionated. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] US Patents coming to a place near you...
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 09:52:22 +0100 Kaj Haulrich disseminated the following: > > It ain't all bad, a united Europe has more of a chance of > > standing up to this sort of corporate extortion, IMO. > > Well Joe, first and foremost : EUrabia will never be united. On the > contrary, it is decaying rapidly. Exactly like its predecessor, > the Soviet Union. Hey, no argument there. All authoritarian regimes are doomed to failure, according to the SNAFU principle, dare I post it again: http://www.jargon.net/jargonfile/s/SNAFUprinciple.html 'United' doesn't have to mean under the current EU model, though. I meant it in a more general sense. > Thirdly, the present Patent issue is just "delayed", not removed. > No matter what the various parliaments (including the EU > Parliament) decides, the Politburo doesn't care one bit. > Microsoft, Siemens, Nokia etc.. still "owns" the Commissars, the > Eurocrats and politicians. Again, no argument, but it at least shows that there is enough vocal opposition amongst 'the people' to snap some of these autocrats out of their blissful reverie. That in and of itself, you are correct, is not enough though. The best way to defeat authority, in the end, is simply to ignore it. Let MS patent everything they want, the hackers that started this F/OSS thang will, as they always have, simply route around the obstacles, and the users will keep on comin' on over to a better deal. -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 18:43:19 up 45 days, 7:25, 8 users, load average: 1.10, 1.23, 1.27 +++ "Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me." -- Jesus Christ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] US Patents coming to a place near you...
On Wednesday 16 February 2005 13:53, Michaël Van Dorpe wrote: > While I agree that this is an important issue and that you are > all on the right side, I think that you cannot deny that talking > about the "EU-politburo" is FUD as well. Giving examples of > patents on sandwiches, one-click ordering systems or > browser-plugins is not the way to go either, however stupid these > patents are. > > In any case, I thought this mailing list was about installing and > configuring mandrakelinux for newbies. > > If you think I'm wrong, you can safely ignore this message, I'm > not in a position to tell you what to talk about, and it doesn't > bother me. No, you're right - this actually should be on the OT list. Regards Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] US Patents coming to a place near you...
While I agree that this is an important issue and that you are all on the right side, I think that you cannot deny that talking about the "EU-politburo" is FUD as well. Giving examples of patents on sandwiches, one-click ordering systems or browser-plugins is not the way to go either, however stupid these patents are. In any case, I thought this mailing list was about installing and configuring mandrakelinux for newbies. If you think I'm wrong, you can safely ignore this message, I'm not in a position to tell you what to talk about, and it doesn't bother me. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] US Patents coming to a place near you...
On Wednesday 16 February 2005 11:53, M.Schild wrote: > > Thirdly, the present Patent issue is just "delayed", not > > removed. No matter what the various parliaments (including > > the EU Parliament) decides, the Politburo doesn't care one bit. > > Microsoft, Siemens, Nokia etc.. still "owns" the Commissars, > > the Eurocrats and politicians. > > Yes but parts of Spain have already moved to Linux. The french > administration is getting Linux severs. Several large towns in > Germany use Linux ( Munich and/orBerlin I think) > Will these people be ready to go the Gates way? > Maryse Well, I know that the Extramadura region, the City of Munich, the City of Bergen and maybe Vienna has moved. On the other hand, the City of Paris, the City of Newham and the entire British National Health Service caved in to Microsoft's "offers they couldn't refuse". Don't know about the French administration, though. But the problem isn't Linux vs. Microsoft. It's about standards and patents. When the EU Politburo allows software patents Microsoft will be able to dictate how the public administration communicates with citizens : only closed, proprietary protocols will be allowed, forcing all of us to pay the Microsoft tax. And bye-bye to software development : can you name me just one invention (aside from FUD) made by Microsoft ? There's an excellent article by RMS here : http://news.com.com/Bill+Gates+and+other+communists/2010-1071_3-5576230.html?tag=nefd.ac Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] US Patents coming to a place near you...
> Thirdly, the present Patent issue is just "delayed", not removed. > No matter what the various parliaments (including the EU > Parliament) decides, the Politburo doesn't care one bit. > Microsoft, Siemens, Nokia etc.. still "owns" the Commissars, the > Eurocrats and politicians. Yes but parts of Spain have already moved to Linux. The french administration is getting Linux severs. Several large towns in Germany use Linux ( Munich and/orBerlin I think) Will these people be ready to go the Gates way? Maryse Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] US Patents coming to a place near you...
On Wednesday 16 February 2005 01:27, JoeHill wrote: > On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:12:31 +0100 > > Kaj Haulrich disseminated the following: > > Anyway, the EU doesn't have a head (=brain) > > Apparently some of them do: > > Quote: > > "The Commission regrets very much that the software patent will > not be on the agenda. It has been removed," Commission spokesman > Olivier Drewes told a news conference. > > Link: > > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050211133435297 > > 'Course, the US of Microsoft wasn't all too happy about that: > > http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050215071109231 > > It ain't all bad, a united Europe has more of a chance of > standing up to this sort of corporate extortion, IMO. Well Joe, first and foremost : EUrabia will never be united. On the contrary, it is decaying rapidly. Exactly like its predecessor, the Soviet Union. Secondly, when the present EU with its Central Committee - eh - Commission and Politburo -eh - Council has vanished into the scrapyard of history maybe democracy get another chance in some parts of Europe. Thirdly, the present Patent issue is just "delayed", not removed. No matter what the various parliaments (including the EU Parliament) decides, the Politburo doesn't care one bit. Microsoft, Siemens, Nokia etc.. still "owns" the Commissars, the Eurocrats and politicians. Read on : http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=351 Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] US Patents coming to a place near you...
On Tue, 15 Feb 2005 23:12:31 +0100 Kaj Haulrich disseminated the following: > Anyway, the EU doesn't have a head (=brain) Apparently some of them do: Quote: "The Commission regrets very much that the software patent will not be on the agenda. It has been removed," Commission spokesman Olivier Drewes told a news conference. Link: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050211133435297 'Course, the US of Microsoft wasn't all too happy about that: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20050215071109231 It ain't all bad, a united Europe has more of a chance of standing up to this sort of corporate extortion, IMO. -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 19:19:01 up 44 days, 8:00, 8 users, load average: 0.15, 0.08, 0.01 +++ "Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power" -- Benito Mussolini Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] US Patents coming to a place near you...
On Tuesday 15 February 2005 21:16, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Tuesday 15 February 2005 11:46 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > > On Tuesday 15 February 2005 16:53, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > > > On Tuesday 15 February 2005 06:29 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > > > > Here is what you can expect when the EU directive gets > > > > approved > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Working closely with the patent office Mr Holland > > > > eventually settled for his now granted patent on methods of > > > > inserting food or beverage into the mouth for chewing, in > > > > order to be later swallowed and digested by the stomach. > > > > > > > > > > > > The link is here : > > > > > > > > http://www.danamania.com/gl/article.php?story=2005021421545 > > > >4591 > > > > > > > > Kaj Haulrich. > > > > > > Kaj: > > > Silly me. I thought that prior art was established in the > > > Book of Genesis. -- cmg > > > > Well, I guess the Patent office (or is that orifice ?) never > > heard about that book... > > > > Now, when this madness comes to the EU I'll apply for a patent > > on going to the head with my behind. > > > > Sorry for my bad English. > > > > Kaj Haulrich. > > Kaj: > Sorry, but your idea isn't patentable. It's the prior art thing. > After all, the US Patent Office operates in head-up-butt mode > every day. A few years ago, a guy got a patent in his child's > name that covered swinging on a child's swing from side to side > rather than the conventional front to back motion. I contemplated > filing one for swinging cattywampus on behalf of my grandson, but > decided that I shouldn't feed the madness. Well, that and it > costs more than two bucks to file a patent. > -- cmg OK Caroll, maybe "the US Patent Office operates in head-up-butt mode every day" but do they own the patent ? - And if they've got their heads where you say, how can they find the head (= john) ? Anyway, the EU doesn't have a head (=brain) at all but lots of behinds (big, big ones) so I still believe I can take out a patent on placing those butts in heads (=johns). Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] US Patents coming to a place near you...
On Tuesday 15 February 2005 12:16 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Tuesday 15 February 2005 11:46 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > > On Tuesday 15 February 2005 16:53, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > > > On Tuesday 15 February 2005 06:29 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > > > > Here is what you can expect when the EU directive gets approved > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Working closely with the patent office Mr Holland eventually > > > > settled for his now granted patent on methods of inserting food > > > > or beverage into the mouth for chewing, in order to be later > > > > swallowed and digested by the stomach. > > > > > > > > > > > > The link is here : > > > > > > > > http://www.danamania.com/gl/article.php?story=20050214215454591 > > > > > > > > Kaj Haulrich. > > > > > > Kaj: > > > Silly me. I thought that prior art was established in the Book of > > > Genesis. -- cmg > > > > Well, I guess the Patent office (or is that orifice ?) never heard > > about that book... > > > > Now, when this madness comes to the EU I'll apply for a patent on > > going to the head with my behind. > > > > Sorry for my bad English. > > > > Kaj Haulrich. > > Kaj: > Sorry, but your idea isn't patentable. It's the prior art thing. After all, > the US Patent Office operates in head-up-butt mode every day. A few years > ago, a guy got a patent in his child's name that covered swinging on a > child's swing from side to side rather than the conventional front to back > motion. I contemplated filing one for swinging cattywampus on behalf of my > grandson, but decided that I shouldn't feed the madness. Well, that and it > costs more than two bucks to file a patent. Patent insanity has been around a long time None of James Watt's designes had crankshafts because somebody seeing the application pantented it even though the crankshaft had been around a 100 years(in mills) > -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] US Patents coming to a place near you...
On Tuesday 15 February 2005 11:46 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > On Tuesday 15 February 2005 16:53, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > > On Tuesday 15 February 2005 06:29 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > > > Here is what you can expect when the EU directive gets approved > > > > > > > > > > > > Working closely with the patent office Mr Holland eventually > > > settled for his now granted patent on methods of inserting food > > > or beverage into the mouth for chewing, in order to be later > > > swallowed and digested by the stomach. > > > > > > > > > The link is here : > > > > > > http://www.danamania.com/gl/article.php?story=20050214215454591 > > > > > > Kaj Haulrich. > > > > Kaj: > > Silly me. I thought that prior art was established in the Book of > > Genesis. -- cmg > > Well, I guess the Patent office (or is that orifice ?) never heard > about that book... > > Now, when this madness comes to the EU I'll apply for a patent on > going to the head with my behind. > > Sorry for my bad English. > > Kaj Haulrich. Kaj: Sorry, but your idea isn't patentable. It's the prior art thing. After all, the US Patent Office operates in head-up-butt mode every day. A few years ago, a guy got a patent in his child's name that covered swinging on a child's swing from side to side rather than the conventional front to back motion. I contemplated filing one for swinging cattywampus on behalf of my grandson, but decided that I shouldn't feed the madness. Well, that and it costs more than two bucks to file a patent. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] US Patents coming to a place near you...
On Tuesday 15 February 2005 16:53, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Tuesday 15 February 2005 06:29 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > > Here is what you can expect when the EU directive gets approved > > : > > > > > > Working closely with the patent office Mr Holland eventually > > settled for his now granted patent on methods of inserting food > > or beverage into the mouth for chewing, in order to be later > > swallowed and digested by the stomach. > > > > > > The link is here : > > > > http://www.danamania.com/gl/article.php?story=20050214215454591 > > > > Kaj Haulrich. > > Kaj: > Silly me. I thought that prior art was established in the Book of > Genesis. -- cmg Well, I guess the Patent office (or is that orifice ?) never heard about that book... Now, when this madness comes to the EU I'll apply for a patent on going to the head with my behind. Sorry for my bad English. Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] US Patents coming to a place near you...
On Tuesday 15 February 2005 06:29 am, Kaj Haulrich wrote: > Here is what you can expect when the EU directive gets approved : > > > Working closely with the patent office Mr Holland eventually settled > for his now granted patent on methods of inserting food or beverage > into the mouth for chewing, in order to be later swallowed and > digested by the stomach. > > > The link is here : > > http://www.danamania.com/gl/article.php?story=20050214215454591 > > Kaj Haulrich. Kaj: Silly me. I thought that prior art was established in the Book of Genesis. -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] US Patents coming to a place near you...
Here is what you can expect when the EU directive gets approved : Working closely with the patent office Mr Holland eventually settled for his now granted patent on methods of inserting food or beverage into the mouth for chewing, in order to be later swallowed and digested by the stomach. The link is here : http://www.danamania.com/gl/article.php?story=20050214215454591 Kaj Haulrich. -- *sent from a 100% Microsoft-free workstation* * http://haulrich.net * *Running Linux (Mandrake 10.1) - kernel 2.6.8* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
