Re: [newbie] Words Of Wisdom
Any idea when the new Microsoft-Linux is due to roll out? I'm wondering if it's being considered and to what extent. I mean, why not? Then there wouldn't be a problem w/ people dumping Windows for Linux distributions, cuz they could get it all from the same company. Hmmm, I probably wouldn't buy a M$-Linux distribution just out of principal. Josh Atlanta, GA Sevatio Octavio wrote: Hey, is it just me? Or do you experience a renewed sense of excitement when messing with Linux that you haven't had since the early days of DOS? I know M$ will remain as a player of some sorts but the question has now evolved from "which is the better OS" to "why be confined with M$?" Seve BTW, who is Scott?
Re: [newbie] Words Of Wisdom
The new MS Linux will be out March 21st 2133. Or at least that was when a friend told me that hell was freezing over. BTW I understand it will be called MS Linux 2100. Ron mccaffrey wrote: Any idea when the new Microsoft-Linux is due to roll out? I'm wondering if it's being considered and to what extent. I mean, why not? Then there wouldn't be a problem w/ people dumping Windows for Linux distributions, cuz they could get it all from the same company. Hmmm, I probably wouldn't buy a M$-Linux distribution just out of principal. Josh Atlanta, GA Sevatio Octavio wrote: Hey, is it just me? Or do you experience a renewed sense of excitement when messing with Linux that you haven't had since the early days of DOS? I know M$ will remain as a player of some sorts but the question has now evolved from "which is the better OS" to "why be confined with M$?" Seve BTW, who is Scott? -- Ron Marriage E-Mailmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage http://www.seidata.com/~marriage
Re: [newbie] Words Of Wisdom
On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, you wrote: Seth Gibson wrote: No, probably Scott McNealy, president of Sun Microsystems. You know, Java, Jini, Solaris... Yah that's why i said sellers of 3dfx he's cool with sun. . .trust me i know the dude
Re: [newbie] Words Of Wisdom
On Sun, 21 Nov 1999, you wrote: That's rather odd... At least 3dfx has been extremely good to the Linux people. True. . .from our (steve-o +myself) perception, there is another side of 3dfx. Suppose for a second that a little upstart chipmaker named nVidia had just said "Well, after the lukewarm reception our Riva 128 and NV1 chipsets received, let's just throw in the towel,", or suppose their neighbor down the block at Casa S3 had said "Ok so much for Virge, let's design. . .floppy drives!" Assume that for all the other players in the video card market EXCEPT 3dfx, who is now king of the hill. . .so what are we stuck with? Boards that are still only rendering in 16 bits (altho according to 3dfx "it's actually closer to 22 bits") and not using AGP sidebanding or addressing, or to simplify: Stagnant Technology. I mean honestly, with what other chipmakers are putting out, did nVidia really NEED to impliment a Geometry Engine? Probably not, but they did. Hopefully part of the reasoning there was just because they had the tech and they could. 3dfx assumes that status quo for the moment is just fine and they'll impliment "next-gen" features when we feel like it. So yah, maybe theyve done good things for linux, but the big picture there. . ? I'm sure to them linux users are just another market to be branded and subverted, figure if they get here first, we'll all settle for their substandard hardware just cuz it works. Well. . .Windows is substandard but it works. . .(not to down on any 3dfx owners, i have 2 V2s myself, but then. the V2 was a good product for its time). Sun. . .well. . .Java. . .yeah. . .that seems a really convoluted problem as it is. Microsoft wanted it they did their own thing sun didnt like that back forth etc. . . Jini? from a design standpoint its actually pretty cool. . .read the spec if you can find it somewhere (bn.com). . .it's actually a pretty entertaining read. Yah being an enemy of ms doesnt make em a friend of yours, but. . .to US its not so much about big billy vs tux. . .its about other things. Its about aesthetics, design, things that most people dont even consider anymore when it comes to computers (which is a shame). We both use AMD processors not because they were cheaper at the time or because we dont like intel, but because their design is quite neater than a comparable intel chip (if you dont believe it, order the Technical References from AMD and Intel and compare the design notes yerself). I think if the situation were reversed, linux being not free, but all the other good things it is, and windows being free but crap, id pay 100 for linux. . .and if something comes up that has a neater design than linux and performs comparably or better (and no, it's NOT BeOS), we'll probably use that too. . .even if it were to come from microsoft. . . i dunno i guess mr mccaul's statements were a bit vague true. . .but again its not about linux. . .i mean it could be the cancer researcher who finds a cure using an unorthodox but creative method, or it could just be all the people out there subverting dominant paradigms in their own way. . .i mean all those places where linux and microsoft and sun and 3dfx dont even matter. . .going with the superior and not the standard. . .or something. . . hmm. . .i sense i have rambled excessively again. . .sorry -- Seth Gibson www.mp3.com/PSM0x2710 members.tripod.com/cybernetic_thunder (Under Construction) The Functional Design of the UNIX Operating System is probably one of the few truly beautiful things left in the world.
[newbie] Words Of Wisdom
Dear Everyone: Recently I have been in involved in an email discussions with one of my friends about OS theory, mainly linux and UNIX Design Theory. Id like to share with you all something he said that for me personally says it all. . . -- Forwarded Message -- Is Linux UNIX? I don't know. But its beautiful. Its rebellious. Its free. Its a slap to the face of the corporate world. Fuck you bill. Fuck you scott. We don't need your feature bloated OS nor your designs on world domination thank you. We have our own visions, our own view of perfection which we work together to achieve without tainting our dreams with greed. You can take your avarice, your hate, i'll just take linux and go where i want to go. today. :) hehe. that was fun. silly me. -- Nuff said. . .you go, stephen -- Seth Gibson www.mp3.com/PSM0x2710 members.tripod.com/cybernetic_thunder (Under Construction) The Functional Design of the UNIX Operating System is probably one of the few truly beautiful things left in the world.
Re: [newbie] Words Of Wisdom
Hey, is it just me? Or do you experience a renewed sense of excitement when messing with Linux that you haven't had since the early days of DOS? I know M$ will remain as a player of some sorts but the question has now evolved from "which is the better OS" to "why be confined with M$?" Seve BTW, who is Scott? -Original Message- From: Seth Gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, November 20, 1999 9:06 PM Subject: [newbie] Words Of Wisdom Dear Everyone: Recently I have been in involved in an email discussions with one of my friends about OS theory, mainly linux and UNIX Design Theory. Id like to share with you all something he said that for me personally says it all. . . -- Forwarded Message -- Is Linux UNIX? I don't know. But its beautiful. Its rebellious. Its free. Its a slap to the face of the corporate world. Fuck you bill. Fuck you scott. We don't need your feature bloated OS nor your designs on world domination thank you. We have our own visions, our own view of perfection which we work together to achieve without tainting our dreams with greed. You can take your avarice, your hate, i'll just take linux and go where i want to go. today. :) hehe. that was fun. silly me. -- Nuff said. . .you go, stephen -- Seth Gibson www.mp3.com/PSM0x2710 members.tripod.com/cybernetic_thunder (Under Construction) The Functional Design of the UNIX Operating System is probably one of the few truly beautiful things left in the world.
Re: [newbie] Words Of Wisdom
On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, you wrote: BTW, who is Scott? I think he's making a reference to Scott Sellers of 3dfx. . .i think i'll have to go with him on that too. . .next gen feature in a video chipset i want. . .hardware geometry engine or hardware accumulation buffer. . .hmmm. . .let me think. . . -- Seth Gibson www.mp3.com/PSM0x2710 members.tripod.com/cybernetic_thunder (Under Construction) The Functional Design of the UNIX Operating System is probably one of the few truly beautiful things left in the world.
Re: [newbie] Words Of Wisdom
On Sat, 20 Nov 1999, Sevatio Octavio wrote: Hey, is it just me? Or do you experience a renewed sense of excitement when messing with Linux that you haven't had since the early days of DOS? I know M$ will remain as a player of some sorts but the question has now evolved from "which is the better OS" to "why be confined with M$?" Seve BTW, who is Scott? Sun's CEO?
