Re: [newbie] courtesy implied in this list?(Final from Bob)
here is "Ed's" attempt at courtesy; "PLEASE, please, let this thread die." Ed Bob wrote: It is still my opinion, that if you wish to express your appreciation you should address the "Thank You" to the individual whom assisted you in solving the problem. I nor anyone else has any idea what is contained beneath a subject line. Dennis's post is excellent. I started this and now close the issue. At least I will not answer nor contribute any more to this subject. Bill Clinton needs to work on his diplomatic skills. Bob Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, you wrote: I think Bascule needs to loosen up. Although you had a point to make, it was much too long, especially being so OT. You originally annoyed maybe a few, maybe even just one. But how many have you annoyed now? More than a few I'd say. You should have used the KISS method, or took the discussion OFF the list. But Bob was nit picking, and Bob needs to work on his diplomatic skills. He should have just said something like, "please include the message you're responding to so that we know the whole story". This is especailly germane right now because the list has been slow the past several weeks, and it's harder than usual to follow threads. Overall it was a non-issue, IMHO. -=Tom Wang=- - Pentium 100 MHz = the new speed limit! OS2 Warp is out now! Why wait for Windows 95??? Bob Root wrote: Why do I think that the message below has anything to do with me, and how many others have wondered the same thing. It would be appreciated if people could consider if what they are replying to has meaning to everyone on the list. Thank you. Bob Root On Mon, 05 Jun 2000, you wrote: thanks flupke bascule bascule wrote: regarding 'run-on sentences' and the implicit assumption of courtesy, the minor flame fest that briefly sputtered upon my publicly thanking a contributor to this list surprised me, true, i did not quote any of the pleasing previous answer since no quote was necessary, it was a thankyou after all. as for courtesy being implied, well that's a nice idea but (and here i digress but i'm sure that readers will be tolerant) the reason i teach my child politeness is not -and i have explained this to her- because the individual rules or words involved are particularly meaningful, but rather, that the effort to follow them ensures thought takes place concerning ones actions and speech, i hardly need point out what can happen in the world when actions and speech are not preceded by thought (though of course mere thoughtfulness is not always enough), to return, perhaps i have thoughtlessly broached some rule of the list that i am unaware of, if so then i humbly apologise, as a newbie in general terms as well as linux in particular i would welcome any polite instruction on the matter. however, surely if every message posted were to fully quote the previous than any thread of great length becomes a serious download for plain old 56k users like me. clearly most people choose what to quote and how much, this is presumably done on the need for clear communication and can sometimes take into account the intended recipient. as i attempted to point out in the other thread on this list, not all conversations are intelligible if one enters in the middle, i for one delete messages that i can not respond to and do not hold info i need, therefore i often read missives that hold little meaning for me, this has yet to annoy me. the (relatively) anonymous mailing list has strong psychological differences to a conversation 'in the flesh', anger is more quickly aroused and more quickly returned, i strive to avoid this and, i like to hope, usually succeed. of course, no-one is perfect and perhaps this post is evidence of that, it's certainly not very linux related, but linux is a part of life and i like my life happy and wish the same for all, (almost a non sequitur but not quite). for readers who wonder what this post is about, i apologise again, the truth is, i feel slighted by a previous post(s) and i'm not exactly sure why, this epistle is the result. feel free to burn effigies of me if you have been annoyed by this, i am 5'8 in old money, chubby, a tad plain and i have long hair if that helps. bascule Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [newbie] courtesy implied in this list?
Steve Weltman wrote: SHUT UP ALREADY!!! bascule wrote: regarding 'run-on sentences' and the implicit assumption of courtesy, the minor flame fest that briefly sputtered upon my publicly thanking a contributor to this list surprised me, true, i did not quote any of the pleasing previous answer since no quote was necessary, it was a thankyou after all. as for courtesy being implied, well that's a nice idea but (and here i digress but i'm sure that readers will be tolerant) the reason i teach my child politeness is not -and i have explained this to her- because the individual rules or words involved are particularly meaningful, but rather, that the effort to follow them ensures thought takes place concerning ones actions and speech, i hardly need point out what can happen in the world when actions and speech are not preceded by thought (though of course mere thoughtfulness is not always enough), to return, perhaps i have thoughtlessly broached some rule of the list that i am unaware of, if so then i humbly apologise, as a newbie in general terms as well as linux in particular i would welcome any polite instruction on the matter. however, surely if every message posted were to fully quote the previous than any thread of great length becomes a serious download for plain old 56k users like me. clearly most people choose what to quote and how much, this is presumably done on the need for clear communication and can sometimes take into account the intended recipient. as i attempted to point out in the other thread on this list, not all conversations are intelligible if one enters in the middle, i for one delete messages that i can not respond to and do not hold info i need, therefore i often read missives that hold little meaning for me, this has yet to annoy me. the (relatively) anonymous mailing list has strong psychological differences to a conversation 'in the flesh', anger is more quickly aroused and more quickly returned, i strive to avoid this and, i like to hope, usually succeed. of course, no-one is perfect and perhaps this post is evidence of that, it's certainly not very linux related, but linux is a part of life and i like my life happy and wish the same for all, (almost a non sequitur but not quite). for readers who wonder what this post is about, i apologise again, the truth is, i feel slighted by a previous post(s) and i'm not exactly sure why, this epistle is the result. feel free to burn effigies of me if you have been annoyed by this, i am 5'8 in old money, chubby, a tad plain and i have long hair if that helps. bascule Umm bascule, could you please expound on the term "old money"? Eunice
Re: [newbie] courtesy implied in this list? (SOLUTION)
Hi, all (especially bascule) Your e-mail: :~Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 20:41:13 +0100 :~From: bascule [EMAIL PROTECTED] :~Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :~To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] :~Subject: [newbie] courtesy implied in this list? was a bit too long for me, but I will try to explain why one should publicly thank for a solution of his problem, and how. [WHY?] -- There are two reasons for "thx it solved my problem" messages: 1) Feels good for one who solved the problem. 2) Makes searching the list-archive easier [HOW?] -- If you want to be really usefull member of our little family, try to formulate these "thx a lot" messages in the way I formulated this message: 1) Change subject line from "Cannot mount CD" into "Cannot mount CD (SOLUTION)" 2) Start the mail with "Hi, Steve" (or whoverer it was who solved your problem), followed by: Your solution to my "Cannot mount CD" problem worked perfectly. 3)Include headers of Steve-s e-mail, so that the one who searches later has all the info about the mail you are refering to. 4) Give a SHORT summary of what the problem was, and what was a solution. [RESUME] - Thus, when someone else searches the archive for "cannot mount CD", he will find an e-mail with "SOLVED" in subject. Your short description should be enough to make it clear if his problem is the same as yours was, and name+email of the one who proposed the solution serves as a reference to Steve-s e-mail with solution. cu Denis -- - Dr. Denis Havlikhttp://www.ap.univie.ac.at/users/havlik Mandrakesoft||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quality Assurance (@ @)(private: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ---oOO--(_)--OOo- The only thing I see here is two things: (Oskuro at /.)
Re: [newbie] courtesy implied in this list? (SOLUTION)
Hi Denis, Excellent "solution" Will keep this email for reference :) Bambi Denis HAVLIK wrote: Hi, all (especially bascule) Your e-mail: :~Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 20:41:13 +0100 :~From: bascule [EMAIL PROTECTED] :~Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :~To: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] :~Subject: [newbie] courtesy implied in this list? was a bit too long for me, but I will try to explain why one should publicly thank for a solution of his problem, and how. [WHY?] -- There are two reasons for "thx it solved my problem" messages: 1) Feels good for one who solved the problem. 2) Makes searching the list-archive easier [HOW?] -- If you want to be really usefull member of our little family, try to formulate these "thx a lot" messages in the way I formulated this message: 1) Change subject line from "Cannot mount CD" into "Cannot mount CD (SOLUTION)" 2) Start the mail with "Hi, Steve" (or whoverer it was who solved your problem), followed by: Your solution to my "Cannot mount CD" problem worked perfectly. 3)Include headers of Steve-s e-mail, so that the one who searches later has all the info about the mail you are refering to. 4) Give a SHORT summary of what the problem was, and what was a solution. [RESUME] - Thus, when someone else searches the archive for "cannot mount CD", he will find an e-mail with "SOLVED" in subject. Your short description should be enough to make it clear if his problem is the same as yours was, and name+email of the one who proposed the solution serves as a reference to Steve-s e-mail with solution. cu Denis -- - Dr. Denis Havlikhttp://www.ap.univie.ac.at/users/havlik Mandrakesoft||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quality Assurance (@ @)(private: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) ---oOO--(_)--OOo- The only thing I see here is two things: (Oskuro at /.)
Re: [newbie] courtesy implied in this list?
Umm bascule, could you please expound on the term "old money"? Eunice 'old money' refers to the strange british mix of imperial and metric measurments used at the same time, before decimalisation we had 240 pence to the pound and people use the phrase 'old money ' to refer to the fact that they are using older measurements whether financial or otherwise, it's a sort of old fogey affectation that i drop into sometimes when my ire's up. bascule
Re: [newbie] courtesy implied in this list?(Final from Bob)
It is still my opinion, that if you wish to express your appreciation you should address the "Thank You" to the individual whom assisted you in solving the problem. I nor anyone else has any idea what is contained beneath a subject line. Dennis's post is excellent. I started this and now close the issue. At least I will not answer nor contribute any more to this subject. Bill Clinton needs to work on his diplomatic skills. Bob Root [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, 10 Jun 2000, you wrote: I think Bascule needs to loosen up. Although you had a point to make, it was much too long, especially being so OT. You originally annoyed maybe a few, maybe even just one. But how many have you annoyed now? More than a few I'd say. You should have used the KISS method, or took the discussion OFF the list. But Bob was nit picking, and Bob needs to work on his diplomatic skills. He should have just said something like, "please include the message you're responding to so that we know the whole story". This is especailly germane right now because the list has been slow the past several weeks, and it's harder than usual to follow threads. Overall it was a non-issue, IMHO. -=Tom Wang=- - Pentium 100 MHz = the new speed limit! OS2 Warp is out now! Why wait for Windows 95??? Bob Root wrote: Why do I think that the message below has anything to do with me, and how many others have wondered the same thing. It would be appreciated if people could consider if what they are replying to has meaning to everyone on the list. Thank you. Bob Root On Mon, 05 Jun 2000, you wrote: thanks flupke bascule bascule wrote: regarding 'run-on sentences' and the implicit assumption of courtesy, the minor flame fest that briefly sputtered upon my publicly thanking a contributor to this list surprised me, true, i did not quote any of the pleasing previous answer since no quote was necessary, it was a thankyou after all. as for courtesy being implied, well that's a nice idea but (and here i digress but i'm sure that readers will be tolerant) the reason i teach my child politeness is not -and i have explained this to her- because the individual rules or words involved are particularly meaningful, but rather, that the effort to follow them ensures thought takes place concerning ones actions and speech, i hardly need point out what can happen in the world when actions and speech are not preceded by thought (though of course mere thoughtfulness is not always enough), to return, perhaps i have thoughtlessly broached some rule of the list that i am unaware of, if so then i humbly apologise, as a newbie in general terms as well as linux in particular i would welcome any polite instruction on the matter. however, surely if every message posted were to fully quote the previous than any thread of great length becomes a serious download for plain old 56k users like me. clearly most people choose what to quote and how much, this is presumably done on the need for clear communication and can sometimes take into account the intended recipient. as i attempted to point out in the other thread on this list, not all conversations are intelligible if one enters in the middle, i for one delete messages that i can not respond to and do not hold info i need, therefore i often read missives that hold little meaning for me, this has yet to annoy me. the (relatively) anonymous mailing list has strong psychological differences to a conversation 'in the flesh', anger is more quickly aroused and more quickly returned, i strive to avoid this and, i like to hope, usually succeed. of course, no-one is perfect and perhaps this post is evidence of that, it's certainly not very linux related, but linux is a part of life and i like my life happy and wish the same for all, (almost a non sequitur but not quite). for readers who wonder what this post is about, i apologise again, the truth is, i feel slighted by a previous post(s) and i'm not exactly sure why, this epistle is the result. feel free to burn effigies of me if you have been annoyed by this, i am 5'8 in old money, chubby, a tad plain and i have long hair if that helps. bascule Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
[newbie] courtesy implied in this list?
regarding 'run-on sentences' and the implicit assumption of courtesy, the minor flame fest that briefly sputtered upon my publicly thanking a contributor to this list surprised me, true, i did not quote any of the pleasing previous answer since no quote was necessary, it was a thankyou after all. as for courtesy being implied, well that's a nice idea but (and here i digress but i'm sure that readers will be tolerant) the reason i teach my child politeness is not -and i have explained this to her- because the individual rules or words involved are particularly meaningful, but rather, that the effort to follow them ensures thought takes place concerning ones actions and speech, i hardly need point out what can happen in the world when actions and speech are not preceded by thought (though of course mere thoughtfulness is not always enough), to return, perhaps i have thoughtlessly broached some rule of the list that i am unaware of, if so then i humbly apologise, as a newbie in general terms as well as linux in particular i would welcome any polite instruction on the matter. however, surely if every message posted were to fully quote the previous than any thread of great length becomes a serious download for plain old 56k users like me. clearly most people choose what to quote and how much, this is presumably done on the need for clear communication and can sometimes take into account the intended recipient. as i attempted to point out in the other thread on this list, not all conversations are intelligible if one enters in the middle, i for one delete messages that i can not respond to and do not hold info i need, therefore i often read missives that hold little meaning for me, this has yet to annoy me. the (relatively) anonymous mailing list has strong psychological differences to a conversation 'in the flesh', anger is more quickly aroused and more quickly returned, i strive to avoid this and, i like to hope, usually succeed. of course, no-one is perfect and perhaps this post is evidence of that, it's certainly not very linux related, but linux is a part of life and i like my life happy and wish the same for all, (almost a non sequitur but not quite). for readers who wonder what this post is about, i apologise again, the truth is, i feel slighted by a previous post(s) and i'm not exactly sure why, this epistle is the result. feel free to burn effigies of me if you have been annoyed by this, i am 5'8 in old money, chubby, a tad plain and i have long hair if that helps. bascule
Re: [newbie] courtesy implied in this list?
SHUT UP ALREADY!!! bascule wrote: regarding 'run-on sentences' and the implicit assumption of courtesy, the minor flame fest that briefly sputtered upon my publicly thanking a contributor to this list surprised me, true, i did not quote any of the pleasing previous answer since no quote was necessary, it was a thankyou after all. as for courtesy being implied, well that's a nice idea but (and here i digress but i'm sure that readers will be tolerant) the reason i teach my child politeness is not -and i have explained this to her- because the individual rules or words involved are particularly meaningful, but rather, that the effort to follow them ensures thought takes place concerning ones actions and speech, i hardly need point out what can happen in the world when actions and speech are not preceded by thought (though of course mere thoughtfulness is not always enough), to return, perhaps i have thoughtlessly broached some rule of the list that i am unaware of, if so then i humbly apologise, as a newbie in general terms as well as linux in particular i would welcome any polite instruction on the matter. however, surely if every message posted were to fully quote the previous than any thread of great length becomes a serious download for plain old 56k users like me. clearly most people choose what to quote and how much, this is presumably done on the need for clear communication and can sometimes take into account the intended recipient. as i attempted to point out in the other thread on this list, not all conversations are intelligible if one enters in the middle, i for one delete messages that i can not respond to and do not hold info i need, therefore i often read missives that hold little meaning for me, this has yet to annoy me. the (relatively) anonymous mailing list has strong psychological differences to a conversation 'in the flesh', anger is more quickly aroused and more quickly returned, i strive to avoid this and, i like to hope, usually succeed. of course, no-one is perfect and perhaps this post is evidence of that, it's certainly not very linux related, but linux is a part of life and i like my life happy and wish the same for all, (almost a non sequitur but not quite). for readers who wonder what this post is about, i apologise again, the truth is, i feel slighted by a previous post(s) and i'm not exactly sure why, this epistle is the result. feel free to burn effigies of me if you have been annoyed by this, i am 5'8 in old money, chubby, a tad plain and i have long hair if that helps. bascule
