Re: [newbie] Defragging FAT32 partitions from linux
On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 07:34, Greg Meyer wrote: On Friday 14 March 2003 06:50 am, Luke Stutters wrote: Could I defrag my Win98SE disc from linux? It's a bit difficult to do in Windows, as it insists on writing to the disc for no reason while defragging, which slows it down a lot. MAny times FindFast is the culprit here. As you are changing your disk, It is trying to reindex it. Remove findfast from your startup menu. Restart in Windows safemode. then do your scandisk and defrag. make sure your screenblanker is set to none and power management options are all set to never as well. Depending on your motherboard safemode will be available from [F1], [F8] or perhaps another keypress during boot up at the same time as Bios Setup is an option. It works for me. -- Michael Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Defragging FAT32 partitions from linux
On Saturday 15 Mar 2003 9:59 am, Michael Adams wrote: Depending on your motherboard safemode will be available from [F1], [F8] or perhaps another keypress during boot up at the same time as Bios Setup is an option. Pedantic note: It is not motherboard dependant. The option is controlled by Windows, and is available for a second or three just as the boot starts. I can never remember if it is F8 or F5, but it doesn't change. -- Richard Urwin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Defragging FAT32 partitions from linux
In reply to Richard's mail, d.d. Sat, 15 Mar 2003 10:10:43 +: Pedantic note: It is not motherboard dependant. The option is controlled by Windows, and is available for a second or three just as the boot starts. I can never remember if it is F8 or F5, but it doesn't change. F8 gives you the bootup menu. F5 drops you to a command prompt directly if I recall correctly. Paul -- Total strangers need love, too; and I'm stranger than most. http://nlpagan.net - Linux by Mandrake - Sylpheed by Hiro Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Defragging FAT32 partitions from linux
Could I defrag my Win98SE disc from linux? It's a bit difficult to do in Windows, as it insists on writing to the disc for no reason while defragging, which slows it down a lot. __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Defragging FAT32 partitions from linux
On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 22:50, Luke Stutters wrote: Could I defrag my Win98SE disc from linux? It's a bit difficult to do in Windows, as it insists on writing to the disc for no reason while defragging, which slows it down a lot. __ Disable your screensaver, close/kill any antivirus programs, and literally anything else that isn't necessary (especially tray icons - because they represent TSR programs) and then try doing your scandisk/defrag again. You should be able to complete it with that done. -- Fri Mar 14 23:00:00 EST 2003 23:00:00 up 4:30, 4 users, load average: 0.21, 0.21, 0.31 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- linux user:267497 * MDK 9.1 * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** Brace yourselves. We're about to try something that borders on the unique: an actually rather serious technical book which is not only (gasp) vehemently anti-Solemn, but also (shudder) takes sides. I tend to think of it as `Constructive Snottiness.' -- Mike Padlipsky, Elements of Networking Style Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Defragging FAT32 partitions from linux
From: Stephen Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Defragging FAT32 partitions from linux On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 22:50, Luke Stutters wrote: Could I defrag my Win98SE disc from linux? It's a bit difficult to do in Windows, as it insists on writing to the disc for no reason while defragging, which slows it down a lot. __ Stephen Kuhn replied: Disable your screensaver, close/kill any antivirus programs, and literally anything else that isn't necessary (especially tray icons - because they represent TSR programs) and then try doing your scandisk/defrag again. You should be able to complete it with that done. * In addition to Stephen's good advice, if you still are having something writing to disc and causing restarts of defrag or scandisk, you might try doing them in safe mode. HTH. Best regards. --Angus Let us not look back in anger or forward in fear, but around in awareness.--James Thurber *** *Reg. Linux User #278931* *** *Power by Mandrake Linux 9.0* *** -- ___ http://www.operamail.com Now with OperaMail Premium for only US$29.99/yr Powered by Outblaze Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Defragging FAT32 partitions from linux
On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 11:50:59AM +, Luke Stutters wrote: Could I defrag my Win98SE disc from linux? It's a bit difficult to do in Windows, as it insists on writing to the disc for no reason while defragging, which slows it down a lot. __ You could make a complete backup of your FAT partition containing Win98SE, (I used tar), then wipe the partition clean (using rm), and then reatore from backup. Of course, they you had better have enought space for the complete backup somewhere. I used a remote NFS-mounted partition on another machine for the backup, which Windows installation would have a hard time trashing (especially if you dosconnect the net!). It worked for me, while I was still installing Win98SE. During installation, it would repeatedly crash in different ways -- once I had the basic system working and had to install proper video drivers, printer drivers, etc. By backing up before installing each component, and, in case of failure, wiping and restoring from backup, I was able to get the thing working on only two or three days. Otherwise it would have taken over a week. All the time, Mandrake Linux worked just fine (although I did make sure to have a boot disk, and I did test it before I relied on it. So, I needed Linus to install Windows! I was worried that Windows might have position-dependent information that would become dislodged by this process, but in my installation, at least, that wasn't the case. I can't say if there would be something that would make it all fail on your system. But if you are worried, you might try making an extra backup af all user data, and when everything faile, reinstalling Windows from acratch and then restoring user data from backup. Of course yopu't better make sure you have a Mandrake bootdisk first, or you won't be able to get to Linux at all after the reinstall. -- hendrik Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Defragging FAT32 partitions from linux
parents) come along and tidy it because we can hardly get the door open. That's defragging! So the diff between window$ and linux is the diff between being well brought up or not;o) Hey, I've been running Linux for years byt you should see my apt. :) HarM Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Defragging FAT32 partitions from linux
Go to Lake District for the weekend. When you get back Sunday evening all will be defragged. And those people must not get much work done, going on vacation every weekend :). John (nz) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] defragging
Thank you. () Cheers, /J. In qua, 07 jun 2000, John Arkoulis wrote: Simply put, Linux has an intelligent file system. Defragmenting is unnecessary for this O/S, because hardly any fragments are allowed to form.!!! That's why! On Mon, 05 Jun 2000, also sprach: In seg, 05 jun 2000, John Arkoulis wrote: Linux does not uses defrag programs as the fragmentation of the HD in minimal. Why? Cheers, /J. On Fri, 02 Jun 2000, also sprach: On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, michael wrote: Is there a defrag type program for linux or is it so superior to DOS/win that there aren't any lost clusters or anything to clean up? Or is it that hte constant re-installation keeps the disk clean? ;-) As far as I know, Linux takes care of that by itself. Time will tell, I guess ;) Paul )0(---)0( No matter what scientists say about her, she is still our beautiful moon. (Anonymous senryu) )0([[EMAIL PROTECTED]]-)0( http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 Registered Linux User 174403 -- Windoze is a virus with a user interface. This message was created with Linux -- * Registered Linux User Number * *178234* -- Windoze is a virus with a user interface. This message was created with Linux -- * Registered Linux User Number * *178234*
Re: [newbie] defragging
Simply put, Linux has an intelligent file system. Defragmenting is unnecessary for this O/S, because hardly any fragments are allowed to form.!!! That's why! On Mon, 05 Jun 2000, also sprach: In seg, 05 jun 2000, John Arkoulis wrote: Linux does not uses defrag programs as the fragmentation of the HD in minimal. Why? Cheers, /J. On Fri, 02 Jun 2000, also sprach: On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, michael wrote: Is there a defrag type program for linux or is it so superior to DOS/win that there aren't any lost clusters or anything to clean up? Or is it that hte constant re-installation keeps the disk clean? ;-) As far as I know, Linux takes care of that by itself. Time will tell, I guess ;) Paul )0(---)0( No matter what scientists say about her, she is still our beautiful moon. (Anonymous senryu) )0([[EMAIL PROTECTED]]-)0( http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 Registered Linux User 174403 -- Windoze is a virus with a user interface. This message was created with Linux -- * Registered Linux User Number * *178234* -- Windoze is a virus with a user interface. This message was created with Linux
Re: [newbie] defragging
Linux does not uses defrag programs as the fragmentation of the HD in minimal. On Fri, 02 Jun 2000, also sprach: On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, michael wrote: Is there a defrag type program for linux or is it so superior to DOS/win that there aren't any lost clusters or anything to clean up? Or is it that hte constant re-installation keeps the disk clean? ;-) As far as I know, Linux takes care of that by itself. Time will tell, I guess ;) Paul )0(---)0( No matter what scientists say about her, she is still our beautiful moon. (Anonymous senryu) )0([[EMAIL PROTECTED]]-)0( http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 Registered Linux User 174403 -- Windoze is a virus with a user interface. This message was created with Linux
Re: [newbie] defragging
On Mon, 5 Jun 2000, J Walker wrote: In seg, 05 jun 2000, John Arkoulis wrote: Linux does not uses defrag programs as the fragmentation of the HD in minimal. Why? Cheers, /J. The file system is much better organized than FAT-anything. Paul -- A pound of gold cannot buy an ounce of time )0([[EMAIL PROTECTED]])0( http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 Registered Linux User 174403
Re: [newbie] Defragging
I can't remember how it's performed precisely, but I seem to recall it being discussed many years ago when I was having a brilliant time trying to install Slakware. Basically, NEVER EVER defrag a mounted system! I'll go and try to dig up some of my notes for the period Steve Flynn IBM MVS Operations Analyst Anthony Huereca [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 18/02/2000 22:04:57 Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Newbie " [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc:(bcc: Steve Flynn/UK/Contr/IBM) Subject: [newbie] Defragging Is there any regular maintaince that needs to be done to a linux box like in Windows with defrag, scandisk, etc? I know that defragging in Windows can speed up a system quite a bit, and I had never heard of anything like defragging in Linux, which is why I was wondering if you even have to do it. And if so, how exactly would you do it? -- Anthony Huereca http://m3000.1wh.com Press any key to continue and any other key to quit
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:~Would you still have to defrag a FAT32 partition even if linux is the primary OS :for it? AFAIK YES. You do not need to defrag ext2-systems because they do not get fragmented the way FAT does in the first place. cu Denis - Mag^H^H^HDr. Denis Havlik http://www.ap.univie.ac.at/users/havlik Mandrakesoft||| e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Austria(@ @) tel: (++431) 4277/51179 ---oOO--(_)--OOo- February 17-th 2000: The Linux Demo Y2k Day!!!
Re: [newbie] Defragging
Yes. It's the file system, not the OS that allows for more fragmentation. Sevatio Octavio wrote: Would you still have to defrag a FAT32 partition even if linux is the primary OS for it? Seve -Original Message- From: Anthony Huereca [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, February 18, 2000 4:24 PM Subject: [newbie] Defragging Is there any regular maintaince that needs to be done to a linux box like in Windows with defrag, scandisk, etc? I know that defragging in Windows can speed up a system quite a bit, and I had never heard of anything like defragging in Linux, which is why I was wondering if you even have to do it. And if so, how exactly would you do it? -- Anthony Huereca http://m3000.1wh.com Press any key to continue and any other key to quit
[newbie] Defragging
Is there any regular maintaince that needs to be done to a linux box like in Windows with defrag, scandisk, etc? I know that defragging in Windows can speed up a system quite a bit, and I had never heard of anything like defragging in Linux, which is why I was wondering if you even have to do it. And if so, how exactly would you do it? -- Anthony Huereca http://m3000.1wh.com Press any key to continue and any other key to quit
Re: [newbie] Defragging
From what I understand the ext2 filesystem is less prone to "fragmenting" than FAT (Windows/DOS). There is, however a BETA defragmenting package on the L-M 6.1 install CD. Use w/ caution, cuz this has not had all of the kinks worked out and it's better to be safe than sorry. I personally have never used it, but am wondering if it could help boost disk performance/increase speed. (?) -Josh Anthony Huereca wrote: Is there any regular maintaince that needs to be done to a linux box like in Windows with defrag, scandisk, etc? I know that defragging in Windows can speed up a system quite a bit, and I had never heard of anything like defragging in Linux, which is why I was wondering if you even have to do it. And if so, how exactly would you do it? -- Anthony Huereca http://m3000.1wh.com Press any key to continue and any other key to quit
Re: [newbie] Defragging
Would you still have to defrag a FAT32 partition even if linux is the primary OS for it? Seve -Original Message- From: Anthony Huereca [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Newbie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, February 18, 2000 4:24 PM Subject: [newbie] Defragging Is there any regular maintaince that needs to be done to a linux box like in Windows with defrag, scandisk, etc? I know that defragging in Windows can speed up a system quite a bit, and I had never heard of anything like defragging in Linux, which is why I was wondering if you even have to do it. And if so, how exactly would you do it? -- Anthony Huereca http://m3000.1wh.com Press any key to continue and any other key to quit
