[newbie] Install from NTFS partition.
Hi all, Should it not be possible to do a hard disk install from an NTFS partition? or is it possible only from a Linux native partition? Thanks, Seedkum Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] install on NTFS
Both the mouse and keyboard are USB, but it is a desktop not a laptop. So are you saying that I won't be able to use Mandrake 7.2? I now need to get a copy of 8.0? On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 06:38:28 +, civileme wrote: On Tuesday 10 July 2001 00:35, Greg Partin wrote: I'm running Windows 2000 Server on my machine now so I believe that I cannot use linx4win. Is this true? The only 2 options are to use NTFS and FAT when installing Windows 2000 Server. I'm having a really difficult time with the installation on top of this. Whenever I try the graphical installation the mouse does not work and whenever I try the text installation the keyboard does not work. I looked at the BIOS to see if there was anywhere to turn of Plug 'n Play but I don't seem to have an option (is it called something else that I may not know?). Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you, Greg OK now the question makes more sense. Linux uses its own filesystem, called ext2, and effectively hides from Windows. All it needs is some room on the disk. 7.2 and 8.0 will make their own partitions by shrinking a FAT32 partition if it can be shrunken, and install invisibly to windows, so you need the FAT32 OR you need to install on just part of the disk and leave the rest unpartitioned, then linux will create its own partitions on the rest of the disk. That is, you need to do that if you wish to use linux. Another alternative is to add a disk, and leave it unformatted. Do you have USB mouse and keyboard? or PS/2 keyboard and USB mouse? Is this a laptop? If your answer is yes for any of these, then 8.0 is more likely to work, but even then you may need to make a floppy from one of the alternate install images on the 8.0 CD. Many hardware standards are changing, and we try to keep images around to deal with the combinations of old and new that pop up. Naturally, in windows, with the drivers written by the hardware manufacturers, this is not a problem, but in linux, with the drivers generally written by reverse engineering, it is. That situation is getting better as more manufacturers either part with information or write linux drivers and make them open-source. And yes lnx4win will not work on win2k. Civileme On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 02:21:23 +, civileme wrote: On Monday 09 July 2001 19:27, Greg Partin wrote: Hi folks, Is it possible to install Mandrake 7.2 on a system with NTFS as its file allocation method? If not, is it possible to switch to FAT without having to reinstall everything? Thanks and much obliged. Greg The NTFS filesystem, no. It is proprietary and secret and our best drivers just read and (experimenatlly write to it) It is possible to do a system with FAT, but a very bad idea. ext2 keeps fragmentation low by design, and doesn't use a defragmenter, and there are none currently available under linux for FAT32, and , as often as linux hits the disk with small (less than 1k) files, FAT32 would be overwhelmed and severely fragmented in just a day or two. Windows would directly see those partitions and complain that they were malformed or contained corrupt data and some wizard would likely offer to fix them. Or windows would flat refuse to boot on a dual boot system because all the corrupt filesystems would first have to be formatted. You can achieve a similar effect by using lnx4win. Civileme ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ Greg Partin 3848 Lyons Rd. apt#204 Coconut Creek, FL 33073 (954) 957-9137 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ Greg Partin 3848 Lyons Rd. apt#204 Coconut Creek, FL 33073 (954) 957-9137 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/
Re: [newbie] install on NTFS
Greg, I was confused the first time I read your note, but now it sounds like all you really want to do is install Mandrake 7.2 in a dual boot configuration on a machine that already has Windows 2000 Server installed. Is that correct? If so, let us know -- I think (unless there is something tricky about Windows 2000), that is fairly easy to do and sort of the standard Linux installation. You shrink your existing windows partition, then create new partitions for Linux. These new partitions can be ext2 or any other valid Linux type partition. (I'm not trying to give you the step by step here -- if what I described is what you're trying to accomplish, the standard step by step is available -- write back if you need help -- somebody will be able to help you.) Or, are you trying to run some Linux applications while you are running windows? If so, let us know which ones -- some can be done (with Cygwin for instance) and others I suspect cannot be done. regards, Randy Kramer Greg Partin wrote: I'm running Windows 2000 Server on my machine now so I believe that I cannot use linx4win. Is this true? The only 2 options are to use NTFS and FAT when installing Windows 2000 Server. I'm having a really difficult time with the installation on top of this. Whenever I try the graphical installation the mouse does not work and whenever I try the text installation the keyboard does not work. I looked at the BIOS to see if there was anywhere to turn of Plug 'n Play but I don't seem to have an option (is it called something else that I may not know?). Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you, Greg On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 02:21:23 +, civileme wrote: On Monday 09 July 2001 19:27, Greg Partin wrote: Hi folks, Is it possible to install Mandrake 7.2 on a system with NTFS as its file allocation method? If not, is it possible to switch to FAT without having to reinstall everything? Thanks and much obliged. Greg The NTFS filesystem, no. It is proprietary and secret and our best drivers just read and (experimenatlly write to it) It is possible to do a system with FAT, but a very bad idea. ext2 keeps fragmentation low by design, and doesn't use a defragmenter, and there are none currently available under linux for FAT32, and , as often as linux hits the disk with small (less than 1k) files, FAT32 would be overwhelmed and severely fragmented in just a day or two. Windows would directly see those partitions and complain that they were malformed or contained corrupt data and some wizard would likely offer to fix them. Or windows would flat refuse to boot on a dual boot system because all the corrupt filesystems would first have to be formatted. You can achieve a similar effect by using lnx4win. Civileme ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ Greg Partin 3848 Lyons Rd. apt#204 Coconut Creek, FL 33073 (954) 957-9137 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/
Re: [newbie] install on NTFS
Yes, all i'm trying to do is install Mandrake 7.2 in a dual boot config. I am unable to use lnx4win because Win2k Server does not support it (or it does not support win2k server I should say). I insert Mandrake into my drive, boot up and press Enter. I get the standard graphical install screen but my mouse does not work. I try rebooting and pressing F1 and then type 'text' but then my keyboard does not work. If I boot up, press F1 and then type 'all' I get a screen that asks where my copy of Mandrake is and lists 1. cd 2. hard drive 3. network and my keyboard works fine here, I am able to choose cd. But this screen just takes me to the 'text installation' screen where neither keyboard or mouse work again. In the installation manual it mentions something about plug 'n play items but I checked my BIOS and there doesn't seem to be a setting to enable/disable plug 'n play. I'm using USB mouse/keyboard. If there is any other info that anyone needs in order to lend a hand please let me know as I am quite eager to begin my journey into Linux! Thanks and much obliged, Greg On Mon, 09 Jul 2001 21:00:27 -0400, Randy Kramer wrote: Greg, I was confused the first time I read your note, but now it sounds like all you really want to do is install Mandrake 7.2 in a dual boot configuration on a machine that already has Windows 2000 Server installed. Is that correct? If so, let us know -- I think (unless there is something tricky about Windows 2000), that is fairly easy to do and sort of the standard Linux installation. You shrink your existing windows partition, then create new partitions for Linux. These new partitions can be ext2 or any other valid Linux type partition. (I'm not trying to give you the step by step here -- if what I described is what you're trying to accomplish, the standard step by step is available -- write back if you need help -- somebody will be able to help you.) Or, are you trying to run some Linux applications while you are running windows? If so, let us know which ones -- some can be done (with Cygwin for instance) and others I suspect cannot be done. regards, Randy Kramer Greg Partin wrote: I'm running Windows 2000 Server on my machine now so I believe that I cannot use linx4win. Is this true? The only 2 options are to use NTFS and FAT when installing Windows 2000 Server. I'm having a really difficult time with the installation on top of this. Whenever I try the graphical installation the mouse does not work and whenever I try the text installation the keyboard does not work. I looked at the BIOS to see if there was anywhere to turn of Plug 'n Play but I don't seem to have an option (is it called something else that I may not know?). Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you, Greg On Tue, 10 Jul 2001 02:21:23 +, civileme wrote: On Monday 09 July 2001 19:27, Greg Partin wrote: Hi folks, Is it possible to install Mandrake 7.2 on a system with NTFS as its file allocation method? If not, is it possible to switch to FAT without having to reinstall everything? Thanks and much obliged. Greg The NTFS filesystem, no. It is proprietary and secret and our best drivers just read and (experimenatlly write to it) It is possible to do a system with FAT, but a very bad idea. ext2 keeps fragmentation low by design, and doesn't use a defragmenter, and there are none currently available under linux for FAT32, and , as often as linux hits the disk with small (less than 1k) files, FAT32 would be overwhelmed and severely fragmented in just a day or two. Windows would directly see those partitions and complain that they were malformed or contained corrupt data and some wizard would likely offer to fix them. Or windows would flat refuse to boot on a dual boot system because all the corrupt filesystems would first have to be formatted. You can achieve a similar effect by using lnx4win. Civileme ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ Greg Partin 3848 Lyons Rd. apt#204 Coconut Creek, FL 33073 (954) 957-9137 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/ Greg Partin 3848 Lyons Rd. apt#204 Coconut Creek, FL 33073 (954) 957-9137 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Send a cool gift with your E-Card http://www.bluemountain.com/giftcenter/
Re: [newbie] install on NTFS
Greg, I don't know that I can help technically, but I'm just going to resummarize your problem so that maybe someone else can: - Trying to install Mandrake 7.2 on a machine with Win2k server - Using a USB mouse and keyboard -- hmm, I've never used one -- anybody know if that works with Mandrake 7.2? - Insert Mandrake CD, boot, hit enter for standard graphical install - In graphical install, mouse does not work (how about keyboard?) - Reboot, type text for text install then keyboard stops working (how about mouse?) - Reboot, type all, choose CD, takes you to the text installation, neither mouse nor keyboard work. Hopefully somebody else knows -- I'm guessing Mandrake 7.2 (or at least the install program) has trouble with USB -- do you have a non USB mouse or keyboard you can try? Good luck, hopefully somebody will chip in with more helpful info. Randy Kramer Greg Partin wrote: Yes, all i'm trying to do is install Mandrake 7.2 in a dual boot config. I am unable to use lnx4win because Win2k Server does not support it (or it does not support win2k server I should say). I insert Mandrake into my drive, boot up and press Enter. I get the standard graphical install screen but my mouse does not work. I try rebooting and pressing F1 and then type 'text' but then my keyboard does not work. If I boot up, press F1 and then type 'all' I get a screen that asks where my copy of Mandrake is and lists 1. cd 2. hard drive 3. network and my keyboard works fine here, I am able to choose cd. But this screen just takes me to the 'text installation' screen where neither keyboard or mouse work again. In the installation manual it mentions something about plug 'n play items but I checked my BIOS and there doesn't seem to be a setting to enable/disable plug 'n play. I'm using USB mouse/keyboard. If there is any other info that anyone needs in order to lend a hand please let me know as I am quite eager to begin my journey into Linux!
