Re: A place for LinModems? [Long-OT] (was: Re: [newbie] modem configuration problem)
On Fri, 26 Nov 1999,Michael R. Batchelor wrote: | I'm not so sure this a good long term strategy. I agree that using a | $200 CPU to replace a .50 chip is pretty stupid, but some of the DSP | based software modems are very robust at call management in the MS | windows environment. | | At the risk of flames, let's think about the discussion that was raging | through here a few weeks ago about browsers. I made a strong point that | the browser and email client were crucial for maintaining a desktop | presence. I'll be willing to stick my neck on the line and make a | similar statement that the same is true for telephony applications. And | there are surly others I haven't thought through yet, all of which will | be "crucial" to the long term success of Mandrake as a desktop. | | But how can they all be "the one crucial app" you ask. Well, they're not | all the "single" crucial application (but I think the browser is | probably most important user application). The crucial application is | the whole system. If we think about an automobile for a minute I'll | explain. | | In an automobile the user expects to be able to use the "entire" package | upon delivery. But no individual piece of the package is suitable to the | drivers purpose, only the entire package. No automobile salesperson | would think of trying to get me to settle for only an engine or only a | transmission or only tires. None of those individual components is | sufficient to meet my transportation needs. Likewise, no salesperson is | going to try to convince me to accept a vehicle without an engine or | without a transmission or without tires. Each of those components is | necessary for the package to function as intended. | | These are the analogous parts for the browser and email client. Like it | or not, most of the millions of PCs which will be sold this holiday | season are for people to surf the net and exchange email. Neither is | sufficient; both are necessary. Period. That's life. Get over it. | | Now, lets go back to the automobile. As I'm standing on the lot looking | at the various items for sale, I notice that some of them have cute | little map lights and rear window defrosters. I decide I like those | touches, and I'm swayed by emotion rather than logic. The truth is I | almost never need the cute little map light and the rear window | defroster, but I buy then anyway. (OK they're crucial for some drivers, | but not most.) | | The call management functions of a WinModem will be available to about | 90% of those PCs sold this year, and almost nobody will ever use them. | I've personally bought 5-6 computers/modems with all that stuff in the | past few years and never turned any of it on. But I would guess that 10% | of the people who buy the stuff try to use the call management | functions, and perhaps 5% of the people who try it actually continue to | use it. So, in the long run, lets assume that 0.5% of the users actually | find the call management function useful, and everybody else abandons | it. So, do we say, "Well, nobody uses it in the long run, so we'll leave | it out." Or do we acknowledge that, "Despite that fact almost nobody is | going to use this, it's a major selling point on the front end. So we | need it, or we'll be shut out." | | Now, let's finally consider one more totally unnecessary option | available on modern automobiles. Back in the 1920's Cadillac developed | an "electric starter" for their vehicles. At that time it was an extreme | luxury. These days, however, you cannot buy a production automobile | without an electric starter. And if we started the "Mandrake Automobile | Company" making cars without electric starters we'd go out of business | fast. Even if we made astonishingly beautiful vehicles with map lights | and rear window defrosters, ordinary people will still flock to the | "inferior competitors" who have those convenient electric starters | instead of a crank. | | Well, the electric starter is the installer routines. And, while it's | true that Mandrake may be a far technically superior and elegant choice | to many of the other Linux distributions, and to that "other" OS, it's a | bitch for Grandpa to get set up compared to taking an HP Brio with Win98 | preinstalled out of the box from Wal-Mart. If anyone wants to help with | that aspect, I'd suggest that it's probably the most crucial hurdle to | overcome. (There is a group named SEUL - Simple End User Linux, | www.seul.org, but I don't much about them.) | | So, I've ranted enough. More OT comments? | | MB Michael, You have a point, and I agree that there is room for improvement - especially in the web-related software. However, we as new Linux users must remember that the Linux community is not a tightly organized one, and that the people who produce the software we are
RE: Re: [newbie] modem configuration problem
On Fri, 26 Nov 1999,ben bradley wrote: | i believe, and this just might be me... but i don't think that you can use winmodems with linux hence the name winmodem i think they will only run with windows i know they won't run under dos anyone know if this is true? || ben | | | | | | I Got My Free E-mail Account, Get Yours! - http://www.AntiOnline.com | AntiOnline - The Internet's Information Security Super Center! Yes it is. Winmodems use software emulation for some hardware, and the code is not on the modem, so the "drivers" are required. As a result I am told they are SLOW! Best to get a "real" modem - meaning one with all the hardware in hardware form. MTC, -- Ernie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The measure of a man is in his honor ...
A place for LinModems? [Long-OT] (was: Re: [newbie] modem configuration problem)
Of course, some company had to go and break that rule... That's right, there are now LinModems as well. Do yourself a favor and avoid them. There are better things for a CPU to be doing than the work of a $.50 part on a modem. I'm not so sure this a good long term strategy. I agree that using a $200 CPU to replace a .50 chip is pretty stupid, but some of the DSP based software modems are very robust at call management in the MS windows environment. At the risk of flames, let's think about the discussion that was raging through here a few weeks ago about browsers. I made a strong point that the browser and email client were crucial for maintaining a desktop presence. I'll be willing to stick my neck on the line and make a similar statement that the same is true for telephony applications. And there are surly others I haven't thought through yet, all of which will be "crucial" to the long term success of Mandrake as a desktop. But how can they all be "the one crucial app" you ask. Well, they're not all the "single" crucial application (but I think the browser is probably most important user application). The crucial application is the whole system. If we think about an automobile for a minute I'll explain. In an automobile the user expects to be able to use the "entire" package upon delivery. But no individual piece of the package is suitable to the drivers purpose, only the entire package. No automobile salesperson would think of trying to get me to settle for only an engine or only a transmission or only tires. None of those individual components is sufficient to meet my transportation needs. Likewise, no salesperson is going to try to convince me to accept a vehicle without an engine or without a transmission or without tires. Each of those components is necessary for the package to function as intended. These are the analogous parts for the browser and email client. Like it or not, most of the millions of PCs which will be sold this holiday season are for people to surf the net and exchange email. Neither is sufficient; both are necessary. Period. That's life. Get over it. Now, lets go back to the automobile. As I'm standing on the lot looking at the various items for sale, I notice that some of them have cute little map lights and rear window defrosters. I decide I like those touches, and I'm swayed by emotion rather than logic. The truth is I almost never need the cute little map light and the rear window defroster, but I buy then anyway. (OK they're crucial for some drivers, but not most.) The call management functions of a WinModem will be available to about 90% of those PCs sold this year, and almost nobody will ever use them. I've personally bought 5-6 computers/modems with all that stuff in the past few years and never turned any of it on. But I would guess that 10% of the people who buy the stuff try to use the call management functions, and perhaps 5% of the people who try it actually continue to use it. So, in the long run, lets assume that 0.5% of the users actually find the call management function useful, and everybody else abandons it. So, do we say, "Well, nobody uses it in the long run, so we'll leave it out." Or do we acknowledge that, "Despite that fact almost nobody is going to use this, it's a major selling point on the front end. So we need it, or we'll be shut out." Now, let's finally consider one more totally unnecessary option available on modern automobiles. Back in the 1920's Cadillac developed an "electric starter" for their vehicles. At that time it was an extreme luxury. These days, however, you cannot buy a production automobile without an electric starter. And if we started the "Mandrake Automobile Company" making cars without electric starters we'd go out of business fast. Even if we made astonishingly beautiful vehicles with map lights and rear window defrosters, ordinary people will still flock to the "inferior competitors" who have those convenient electric starters instead of a crank. Well, the electric starter is the installer routines. And, while it's true that Mandrake may be a far technically superior and elegant choice to many of the other Linux distributions, and to that "other" OS, it's a bitch for Grandpa to get set up compared to taking an HP Brio with Win98 preinstalled out of the box from Wal-Mart. If anyone wants to help with that aspect, I'd suggest that it's probably the most crucial hurdle to overcome. (There is a group named SEUL - Simple End User Linux, www.seul.org, but I don't much about them.) So, I've ranted enough. More OT comments? MB
Re: [newbie] modem configuration problem
Are you also running Windows on this machine? What COM port is Windows using for the modem? (Even if you don't run Windows, try the following four options first) In KPPP, setup the modem according to the following: COM1 = /dev/ttyS0 COM2 = /dev/ttyS1 COM3 = /dev/ttyS2 COM4 = /dev/ttyS3 Next, run the "query modem" option from within KPPP and see if KPPP is able to talk to your modem using an of the four devices listed above. If KPPP is able to query your modem, then go ahead and dialing your ISP with KPPP. Let us know if this worked and also wheather you use any console applications that make use of the modem. For the sound, run the following from the command line (login as root): sndconfig From: Miranda Heinz-AHM008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "'newbie'" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] modem configuration problem Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 18:44:58 -0500 Hi folks, My computer has all the peripheral incorporated in the mainboard ( I mean the video system, modem, and sound system). The problem is that I can't configure either the modem or the sound system. I tried using the kppp but it didn't work. Does anybody know how to deal with that ? Heinz Miranda V. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: [[newbie] modem configuration problem]
IMHO Integrated services like sound, video, etc are usually flakey/inferior quality/or modified by the M/B manuf. Disable them in the BIOS and buy REAL cards. Jaguar Miranda Heinz-AHM008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi folks, My computer has all the peripheral incorporated in the mainboard ( I mean the video system, modem, and sound system). The problem is that I can't configure either the modem or the sound system. I tried using the kppp but it didn't work. Does anybody know how to deal with that ? Heinz Miranda V. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
Re: [newbie] modem configuration problem
hi there, i have the exact same problem with modem installation. I try the kppp, and when i query, it report that the modem is busy. I try all com ports liao, but in vain. I have no problem connecting my modem over the net using window 98. Any comments? Is there anything i have to set b4, the linux can check fo my modem ? Modem : External Prolink 56K V90bis Linux : Mandrake 6.0 software used : kppp Are you also running Windows on this machine? What COM port is Windows using for the modem? (Even if you don't run Windows, try the following four options first) In KPPP, setup the modem according to the following: COM1 = /dev/ttyS0 COM2 = /dev/ttyS1 COM3 = /dev/ttyS2 COM4 = /dev/ttyS3 Next, run the "query modem" option from within KPPP and see if KPPP is able to talk to your modem using an of the four devices listed above. If KPPP is able to query your modem, then go ahead and dialing your ISP with KPPP.
Re: [newbie] modem configuration problem
are you sure that you don't have a winModem? I got that same message and had to take the modem out and look at it and it was a winModem. I am not sure if it that is your problem or not but you should start there and rule that out first coin wrote: hi there, i have the exact same problem with modem installation. I try the kppp, and when i query, it report that the modem is busy. I try all com ports liao, but in vain. I have no problem connecting my modem over the net using window 98. Any comments? Is there anything i have to set b4, the linux can check fo my modem ? Modem : External Prolink 56K V90bis Linux : Mandrake 6.0 software used : kppp Are you also running Windows on this machine? What COM port is Windows using for the modem? (Even if you don't run Windows, try the following four options first) In KPPP, setup the modem according to the following: COM1 = /dev/ttyS0 COM2 = /dev/ttyS1 COM3 = /dev/ttyS2 COM4 = /dev/ttyS3 Next, run the "query modem" option from within KPPP and see if KPPP is able to talk to your modem using an of the four devices listed above. If KPPP is able to query your modem, then go ahead and dialing your ISP with KPPP.
RE: Re: [newbie] modem configuration problem
i believe, and this just might be me... but i don't think that you can use winmodems with linux hence the name winmodem i think they will only run with windows i know they won't run under dos anyone know if this is true? ben I Got My Free E-mail Account, Get Yours! - http://www.AntiOnline.com AntiOnline - The Internet's Information Security Super Center!
Re: [newbie] modem configuration problem
ben bradley wrote: i believe, and this just might be me... but i don't think that you can use winmodems with linux hence the name winmodem i think they will only run with windows i know they won't run under dos anyone know if this is true? Absolutely true. Of course, some company had to go and break that rule... That's right, there are now LinModems as well. Do yourself a favor and avoid them. There are better things for a CPU to be doing than the work of a $.50 part on a modem. -- Steve Philp Network Administrator Advance Packaging Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[newbie] modem configuration problem
Hi folks, My computer has all the peripheral incorporated in the mainboard ( I mean the video system, modem, and sound system). The problem is that I can't configure either the modem or the sound system. I tried using the kppp but it didn't work. Does anybody know how to deal with that ? Heinz Miranda V.
