Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] mutli platform html editor]
On Monday 09 July 2001 20:52, you wrote: Michael, Thanks for the response. Unfortunately, your example doesn't really address what I was trying to ask about. Maybe the easiest way for me to express myself would be to build on your example (in words). I'm viewing your page at 800x600. If you were to put a very long preformatted line into the right hand side (2000 characters, for the sake of argument), would the other text wrap at the width of the window, or would lines only wrap if they exceeded the length of the 2000 line character? I'd like to find a way to force the wrap to occur at the normal size of the window, and only have to horizontally scroll for the one preformatted 2000 character line. (Maybe preformatted isn't the right word. On TWiki I can create such a line by enclosing it in pre /pre tags -- I'm not even sure that is real HTML.) Randy the example I showed you yesterday fixes this, just use tables with a fixed pixel width without using the % option and for the text inside have a no wrap tag. This way no matter what the user does with the browser ie resizing, your fonts will not re-wrap and the tables will remain the same size with-out resizing. -- Steve
Re: [newbie] mutli platform html editor
http://www-4.ibm.com/software/webservers/hpbuilder/ On Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:19, Kevin Fonner wrote: Are there any decent web page editors that are compatable with bot linux and windows. What I mean is a program with binarys for both platforms. Thanks Kevin -- Sridhar Dhanapalan. There are two major products that come from Berkeley: LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be a coincidence. -- Jeremy S. Anderson
Re: [newbie] mutli platform html editor
Randy Kramer wrote: Kevin, Randy Kramer wrote: Before you buy anything, I'd at least look at Amaya, which is free and WYSIWYG. Oops, sorry, meant to include a link: http://www.w3.org/Amaya/ Randy Kramer Amaya's not bad. It just takes a little to time to read the documentation and start your first page. -- Roman Registered Linux User #179293 su is not the root of your problem but the start of a new journey
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Steve, Decided to forward this to the list just to see if anyone else could answer my other questions. Randy Kramer Steve wrote: There is no such thing as WYSIWYG html editor. I think what you mean is an nice pretty interactive gui where one doesn't need to type code and works much like a layout application. Steve, Thanks for the response! Out of curiosity, are you saying such a thing cannot be made, or that no one has accomplished making one so far? If the former, I'd be interested in knowing why you say that. Aside: Just because you seem to have an interest and knowledge in HTML, maybe you can provide some insight into another question I have. I assume you've noticed the behavior that occurs (in most of the web browsers I've used) where, if there is an element in the page wider than the window width, the window expands horizontally to accomodate this element. (It happens for wide graphics, tables, and preformatted text.) You must scroll horizontally to see the entire graphic, table, or preformatted text. Unfortunately, all other text then wraps at the same width, which means you must scroll horizontally to read any text. It is this second behavior that I find annoying -- do you know of any HTML tags that can be used to control the width at which text wraps, or any other workaround short of building a program to wrap the text at a reasonable width and then enclose it in pre tags or something like that? Is this an issue of HTML or an issue of how browsers have implemented HTML. Even if it is an issue with how browsers' implement HTML, it would be nice if the HTML people added something to deal with this issue. Thanks, Randy Kramer
Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] mutli platform html editor]
As far as text width goes, I sometimes control it by placing it in a single-cell table, where the table is set to a certain pixel-width my choice. I find using tables creatively solves a lot of positioning problems. There are probably new-fangled ways to do it, but I stick with things that search engines like, and they really only like the old-school solutions :-) Miark - Original Message - From: Randy Kramer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 2:18 PM Subject: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] mutli platform html editor] Steve, Decided to forward this to the list just to see if anyone else could answer my other questions. Randy Kramer
Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] mutli platform html editor]
Miark, Thanks -- I had done something similar, setting a single cell table to 90% (for a slightly different reason) -- I'll try this -- it should be helpful -- I probably want to size it for a 640x480 browser, and just let it fill less than the whole window on larger browsers. Randy Kramer Miark wrote: As far as text width goes, I sometimes control it by placing it in a single-cell table, where the table is set to a certain pixel-width my choice. I find using tables creatively solves a lot of positioning problems. There are probably new-fangled ways to do it, but I stick with things that search engines like, and they really only like the old-school solutions :-)
Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] mutli platform html editor]
I assume you've noticed the behavior that occurs (in most of the web browsers I've used) where, if there is an element in the page wider than the window width, the window expands horizontally to accomodate this element. (It happens for wide graphics, tables, and preformatted text.) You must scroll horizontally to see the entire graphic, table, or preformatted text. Unfortunately, all other text then wraps at the same width, which means you must scroll horizontally to read any text. It is this second behavior that I find annoying -- do you know of any HTML tags that can be used to control the width at which text wraps, or any other workaround short of building a program to wrap the text at a reasonable width and then enclose it in pre tags or something like that? Is this an issue of HTML or an issue of how browsers have implemented HTML. Even if it is an issue with how browsers' implement HTML, it would be nice if the HTML people added something to deal with this issue. Actually, this is not an HTML issue--it is an issue of some, not all HTML developers developing fixed width pages. I mean, just because something looks good at 1024 x 768, doesn't mean that people using 640 x 480 (or for that matter 800 x 600) will be able to see it without having to scroll horizontally. There are several ways to handle this -- do not set a specific width for a table column, or use stylesheets for positioning and instead of stuff like font /font and so forth (the preferred way for html 4.01 and xhtml 1.x). A standard 640 x 480 screen can see at most about 600-620 pixels before you end up scrolling horizontally. Anyways, a good designer / developer will set up a site such that it will resize accordingly based on how large / small the screen is. An 2-column example (in strict xhtml 1.0 / css 2.0, that works for at the very least Netscape 4.77, IE 5.5, Netscape 6.x, and Mozilla) where the left column is fixed width, and the right column is variable can be seen here: http://webspinners.uwf.org/~mviron/prototypes/mvo/index-test.php (I haven't seen this in all browsers on all OSes, so I'm not sure how well it looks on earlier versions of Netscape, IE, and so forth--if you do try a browser I don't list here, send me a screenshot off list with what it looks like) Michael -- Michael Viron Registered Linux User #81978 Senior Systems Administration Consultant, Web Spinners, Univ. of West Florida Project Coordinator / Primary Developer, General Education Online
Re: [Fwd: Re: [newbie] mutli platform html editor]
Michael, Thanks for the response. Unfortunately, your example doesn't really address what I was trying to ask about. Maybe the easiest way for me to express myself would be to build on your example (in words). I'm viewing your page at 800x600. If you were to put a very long preformatted line into the right hand side (2000 characters, for the sake of argument), would the other text wrap at the width of the window, or would lines only wrap if they exceeded the length of the 2000 line character? I'd like to find a way to force the wrap to occur at the normal size of the window, and only have to horizontally scroll for the one preformatted 2000 character line. (Maybe preformatted isn't the right word. On TWiki I can create such a line by enclosing it in pre /pre tags -- I'm not even sure that is real HTML.) Randy Kramer Michael D. Viron wrote: I assume you've noticed the behavior that occurs (in most of the web browsers I've used) where, if there is an element in the page wider than the window width, the window expands horizontally to accomodate this element. (It happens for wide graphics, tables, and preformatted text.) You must scroll horizontally to see the entire graphic, table, or preformatted text. Unfortunately, all other text then wraps at the same width, which means you must scroll horizontally to read any text. It is this second behavior that I find annoying -- do you know of any HTML tags that can be used to control the width at which text wraps, or any other workaround short of building a program to wrap the text at a reasonable width and then enclose it in pre tags or something like that? Is this an issue of HTML or an issue of how browsers have implemented HTML. Even if it is an issue with how browsers' implement HTML, it would be nice if the HTML people added something to deal with this issue. Actually, this is not an HTML issue--it is an issue of some, not all HTML developers developing fixed width pages. I mean, just because something looks good at 1024 x 768, doesn't mean that people using 640 x 480 (or for that matter 800 x 600) will be able to see it without having to scroll horizontally. There are several ways to handle this -- do not set a specific width for a table column, or use stylesheets for positioning and instead of stuff like font /font and so forth (the preferred way for html 4.01 and xhtml 1.x). A standard 640 x 480 screen can see at most about 600-620 pixels before you end up scrolling horizontally. Anyways, a good designer / developer will set up a site such that it will resize accordingly based on how large / small the screen is. An 2-column example (in strict xhtml 1.0 / css 2.0, that works for at the very least Netscape 4.77, IE 5.5, Netscape 6.x, and Mozilla) where the left column is fixed width, and the right column is variable can be seen here: http://webspinners.uwf.org/~mviron/prototypes/mvo/index-test.php (I haven't seen this in all browsers on all OSes, so I'm not sure how well it looks on earlier versions of Netscape, IE, and so forth--if you do try a browser I don't list here, send me a screenshot off list with what it looks like) Michael -- Michael Viron Registered Linux User #81978 Senior Systems Administration Consultant, Web Spinners, Univ. of West Florida Project Coordinator / Primary Developer, General Education Online
Re: [newbie] mutli platform html editor
Kevin Fonner wrote: Are there any decent web page editors that are compatable with bot linux and windows. What I mean is a program with binarys for both platforms. Thanks Kevin Hi Kevin, I recently downloaded IBM's WebSphere Homepage Builder from www.ibm.com and it works great. They have a Linux and Windows version. The price is around $69 US. A 60 day trial copy can be found by using the following link: http://www14.software.ibm.com/webapp/download/preconfig.jsp?id=2001-06-13+13%3A10%3A53.117321Rcat=ads=c Roman Registered Linux User #179293 su is not the root of your problem but the start of a new journey
[newbie] mutli platform html editor
Are there any decent web page editors that are compatable with bot linux and windows. What I mean is a program with binarys for both platforms. Thanks Kevin
