Re: [newbie] test orbz block
On March 22, 2002 06:13 pm, thou spake thusly: I read this earlier: http://www.theregus.com/content/55/24415.html Are you sure ORBZ will be back? Well, I hadn't heard It seems doubtful if the ORBZ blacklist will be restored to operation even though the threat of criminal charges has been lifted. No. I was going by the City Manager's quote: In turn, however, we have asked him [Gulliver] to reconsider his policy of making unannounced tests on servers. In today's computerised world it is everyone's responsibility to maintain a secure system. Why would they ask this of him unless he planned to start it up again. But that's a wild guess. It's the same 'blacklist service' that won't let me post on the local LUG mail list because of an open relay on my ISP's mail server. I'm supposed to do something about that? Talking to the cable company (my provider) is about as fruitful as talking to a rock. It sounds like the LUG is using ORBZ. You'll have to tell them to remove it. Miark __ I seriously doubt that I could tell the LUG anything either. I'll just keep lurking and reading as I did here for so long until recently. Thx C. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] test orbz block
On March 23, 2002 08:13 am, Charlie Oriez spake thusly: Actually, orbz doesnt block, unless mandrax is hosted by penguinhosting. orbz publishes a list of who in their opinion has open relays whom they choose to block at their domain. They require no one else to use it for any purposes. Think of it as an electronic Consumer Reports. If Consumer Reports says the Isuzu tends to roll, and then you choose on that basis not to buy an Isuzu, did CR make that choice, or did you? Mandrax chooses to accept the accuracy of that list, and chooses because of that not to accept traffic from frontstreetnetworks.com Or alternatively, frontstreetnetworks.com has its MTA configured incorrectly to reject all traffic when ORBZ doesnt respond. I've seen a very few of those, which in each case were quickly fixed. From: Charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] I read this earlier: http://www.theregus.com/content/55/24415.html Are you sure ORBZ will be back? It's the same 'blacklist service' that won't let me post on the local LUG mail list because of an open relay on my ISP's mail server. I'm supposed to do something about that? Talking to the cable company (my provider) is about as fruitful as talking to a rock. Per Ian Gulliver (owner of ORBZ), ORBZ will not run its DNSBL again. However, he says he has a solution negotiated with someone else. My guess is that it will be moved out of the US and run by another service. I know the spam load has been significantly higher while he is down. I hope the replacement comes soon. And ORBZ doesnt block you, unless you try to send email to orbz.org. See my response above. I can't see the IPA that you are posting from because I get newbie in digest form, but querying osirusoft at http://combat.uxn.com will let you see what if any other lists your IPA made it on to. You have a couple of solutions: 1) Ask the LUG to ask their ISP to white list your IPA. If ORBZ is the only one listing you, and there hasnt been any spam thru that IPA, the chance is fair. 2) Sue your cable company, or complain to whichever local government body regulates them. By maintaining an open relay and failing to close it, thereby getting listed, they arent delivering the connectivity you paid for and they promised. -- Charles Oriez [EMAIL PROTECTED] 39 34' 34.4N / 105 00' 06.3W __ Perhaps I failed to communicate. I never accused ORBZ of blocking my e-mail. I said the LUG used the ORBZ service and that the mail server that I use at my ISP is on the Black Hole list; therefore I am unable to post to the mailing list. The undlivered messages notifications I got from this list were sent from the SMTP robot. I am not running any mail servers; nor am I 'geek enough', nor interested enough, to do so. This e-mail address has only been valid since last month after my ISP ran away from titsup.com er sorry Excite at Home. All of the SPAM in the universe came through there; but that's another issue that no longer has any relevance to anyone. As long as I'm able to read the messages I really don't care; since I subcribed here and on the LUG to learn; not teach. As to the Consumer Reports analogy: I wouldn't read that rag, or watch their electronic sensationalist alter ego called 60 Minutes or whatever others anyway. Just personal opinion. I always make up my own mind, I don't need 'enlightenment' fed me by people attempting to advance an agenda. Charlie Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] test orbz block
On Saturday 23 March 2002 09:20 am, Charlie wrote: On March 22, 2002 06:13 pm, thou spake thusly: I read this earlier: http://www.theregus.com/content/55/24415.html Are you sure ORBZ will be back? Well, I hadn't heard It seems doubtful if the ORBZ blacklist will be restored to operation even though the threat of criminal charges has been lifted. No. snip http://orbz.com has up-to-date info. -- Gerald Waugh http://www.frontstreetnetworks.com New Haven, CT United States of America 11:30am up 1 day, 19:54, 2 users, load average: 1.31, 1.18, 1.22 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] test orbz block
On Saturday 23 March 2002 11:31 am, Gerald Waugh wrote: On Saturday 23 March 2002 09:20 am, Charlie wrote: On March 22, 2002 06:13 pm, thou spake thusly: I read this earlier: http://www.theregus.com/content/55/24415.html Are you sure ORBZ will be back? Well, I hadn't heard It seems doubtful if the ORBZ blacklist will be restored to operation even though the threat of criminal charges has been lifted. No. snip http://orbz.com has up-to-date info. Sorry it is http://orbz.org -- Gerald Waugh http://www.frontstreetnetworks.com New Haven, CT United States of America 12:39pm up 1 day, 21:03, 2 users, load average: 1.42, 1.29, 1.37 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] test orbz block
orbz , which is now defunct is blocking me at mandrax -- Gerald Waugh http://www.frontstreetnetworks.com New Haven, CT United States of America 4:45pm up 1 day, 1:09, 2 users, load average: 1.37, 1.58, 1.52 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] test orbz block
I read this earlier: http://www.theregus.com/content/55/24415.html Are you sure ORBZ will be back? Well, I hadn't heard It seems doubtful if the ORBZ blacklist will be restored to operation even though the threat of criminal charges has been lifted. No. I was going by the City Manager's quote: In turn, however, we have asked him [Gulliver] to reconsider his policy of making unannounced tests on servers. In today's computerised world it is everyone's responsibility to maintain a secure system. Why would they ask this of him unless he planned to start it up again. But that's a wild guess. It's the same 'blacklist service' that won't let me post on the local LUG mail list because of an open relay on my ISP's mail server. I'm supposed to do something about that? Talking to the cable company (my provider) is about as fruitful as talking to a rock. It sounds like the LUG is using ORBZ. You'll have to tell them to remove it. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] test orbz block
Miark wrote: I read this earlier: http://www.theregus.com/content/55/24415.html Are you sure ORBZ will be back? Well, I hadn't heard It seems doubtful if the ORBZ blacklist will be restored to operation even though the threat of criminal charges has been lifted. No. I was going by the City Manager's quote: In turn, however, we have asked him [Gulliver] to reconsider his policy of making unannounced tests on servers. In today's computerised world it is everyone's responsibility to maintain a secure system. Why would they ask this of him unless he planned to start it up again. But that's a wild guess. It's the same 'blacklist service' that won't let me post on the local LUG mail list because of an open relay on my ISP's mail server. I'm supposed to do something about that? Talking to the cable company (my provider) is about as fruitful as talking to a rock. It sounds like the LUG is using ORBZ. You'll have to tell them to remove it. Miark Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Sheesh, I am being blasted with returns from some folks on the mailing list who are using ORBZ. It is an abysmal service, about as innovative and sparkling as the Dial-Up-Lists used by a lot of servers to block relay of mail from dial-up accounts (as identified by IP number). And the DUL acronym suggests the thought behind such ideas. Why would any decent spammer bother to set up a linux or BSD computer to spam people when a yahoo or msn or aol trial account will serve just as well, without the liability of traceableness? Civileme Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
