RE: [newbie] How do you figure out what's out there?
Hi Gary, Why are you switching to Linux? I believe Solaris has an X86 version and version 9 is due to be released and it is more stable than Linux. Rgds, Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] How do you figure out what's out there?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:newbie-owner;linux-mandrake.com] On Behalf Of Kesav Tadimeti Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 8:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] How do you figure out what's out there? Hi Gary, Why are you switching to Linux? I believe Solaris has an X86 version and version 9 is due to be released and it is more stable than Linux. Rgds, Wasn't really my choice. The place I was working no longer opens for business. 8^( I plan on using Linux + available apps to keep my skills sharp. Linux X86 is more common/ubiquitous then Solaris X86. Regards, Gary Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How do you figure out what's out there?
What I generally do is search Google groups. You can find just about anything you want there. You can also download the JRE package, there is a link for it on http://mozilla.org you can use http://www.rpmfind.net to find rpm's But then again, a quick search of Google groups would have found that as well. I've used RedHat, OpenLinux and Mandrake and in my opinion, Mandrake is my dist. of choice Michael On Thursday 07 November 2002 09:17 am, Gary Armstrong wrote: Couple of questions from a true newbie: 1) How do you figure out the names of applications available to solve a particular need? 2) In particular, I'm looking for the best FREE case tool. I'm trying to demo argo(is there a better one?). The home page didn't appear to have an rpm. How do I know if there is one out there in the ether? It also requires jre which doesn't seem to be installed on my mdk9.0 machine. Tried urpmi java and it doesn't appear to be on the CDs either, but not knowing what it's called, this could all be a newbie problem. 3) I've been using the Mozilla browser. Its download manager doesn't appear capable of restarting. That has already been painful. Can I get it to use a different download manager and what would that be? Is there some better way? 4) I've the seen the command to find rpms on the net go by several times, didn't think I'd need it soon. Sorry for the assumption, but what's the command to find rpms on the net? 5) How much difference is there between linux distributions? As in, does the doc for one release apply to all? Is there some kind of enormous organized FAQ out there? TIA Gary -- Michael Lewis Nichestaffing.com Web: http://www.nichestaffing.com Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 970-472-1241 Fax: 970-472-8497 Whatever you can conceive and believe, you can achieve Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How do you figure out what's out there?
On November 7, 2002 08:17 am, Gary Armstrong wrote: Couple of questions from a true newbie: 1) How do you figure out the names of applications available to solve a particular need? Google and rpmfind.net are your best friends. 2) In particular, I'm looking for the best FREE case tool. I'm trying to demo argo(is there a better one?). The home page didn't appear to have an rpm. How do I know if there is one out there in the ether? It also requires jre which doesn't seem to be installed on my mdk9.0 machine. Tried urpmi java and it doesn't appear to be on the CDs either, but not knowing what it's called, this could all be a newbie problem. In Google type 'Case tools for Linux,. 846,000 hits. Java is commercial and not on downloaded CD,s. Here is a URL for jre1.4 http://freeunix.dyndns.org:8088/ftp_site/pub/unix/sun-j2re/ 3) I've been using the Mozilla browser. Its download manager doesn't appear capable of restarting. That has already been painful. Can I get it to use a different download manager and what would that be? Is there some better way? In contrib section of ML9 mirrors is a program called -d4x- Great downloader. 4) I've the seen the command to find rpms on the net go by several times, didn't think I'd need it soon. Sorry for the assumption, but what's the command to find rpms on the net? www.rpmfind.net 5) How much difference is there between linux distributions? As in, does the doc for one release apply to all? Is there some kind of enormous organized FAQ out there? Mainly in treatment of desktops. Distro's try to keep docs up to date but it's a major chore. Mandrake does the best job as far as newbie's go. Again, the best way to get answers is either this list or Google. TIA Gary If you need more help, just ask;-)) Spence Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How do you figure out what's out there?
On Thursday 07 November 2002 09:17 am, Gary Armstrong wrote: Couple of questions from a true newbie: 1) How do you figure out the names of applications available to solve a particular need? Depends on the need Gary. While you really don't need to know the names of applications in order to need them you do need to identify the process/job you want to perform. http://www.google.com/linux or just leave off the /linux at the end to search but it's better to start from a linux perspective since it's a GNU/Linux requirement that you are trying to fill. Right? Also; with Mandrake 9.0 using KDE desktop environment you'll have a selection option under the K menu (analogous to the Windows Start button and in the same position) called What to do. Many every day tasks are listed there by group and it may give you an inkling what you're looking for. Remember; groups. 2) In particular, I'm looking for the best FREE case tool. I'm trying to demo argo(is there a better one?). The home page didn't appear to have an rpm. How do I know if there is one out there in the ether? It also requires jre which doesn't seem to be installed on my mdk9.0 machine. Tried urpmi java and it doesn't appear to be on the CDs either, but not knowing what it's called, this could all be a newbie problem. Is this where you looked? The project's Home Page at freshmeat is often a good place to start. As long as the you know the actual project name that is. http://freshmeat.net/projects/argouml/?topic_id=65 For RPMs of tools/applications/programs that aren't on your install disks the best place to find them is still (probably) Google, but there's also: http://www.rpmfind.net/ or leave off the 'www' http://rpmfind.net/ which returns this in response to a search for argo: http://www.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=argosubmit=Search+.. For java support you'll have to be sure you don't have anything installed yet then look at: http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux.html but before you do anything about java I'd read the documents listed here: http://www.blackdown.org/java-linux/docs.html or a Google search for java docs such as this: http://www.google.ca/linux?hl=enie=ISO-8859-1q=java+docsbtnG=Google+Searchmeta= You can always download the latest java runtime environment direct from Sun but you'll have to wade through a lot more to find information specific to GNU/Linux and it still won't be specific to Mandrake. 3) I've been using the Mozilla browser. Its download manager doesn't appear capable of restarting. That has already been painful. Can I get it to use a different download manager and what would that be? Is there some better way? Every link I posted here was taken from the sites using the Mozilla browser. It's my internet browser of preference. If you close the download manager dialogue box it's the same as disconnecting and since partial downloads are in a temporary directory there's no data to resume from unless you know the proper command sequences. It's easier to learn about the ftp clients. The distribution has a number of ftp clients shipped with it, I would suggest you use one of those for downloads. After you find the data/download you want it's fairly easy to copy the link address from Mozilla and download from. In a terminal type: man ftp and you'll get a list of commands, options and a general idea of how to use an ftp client. Then come back here with What the Hell doesmean? and someone will usually be able to answer in a way that makes sense. OK? 4) I've the seen the command to find rpms on the net go by several times, didn't think I'd need it soon. Sorry for the assumption, but what's the command to find rpms on the net? I think we may have (partially) covered that for a specific app but I'm not sure whether you installed rpmfind on your machine. I also don't know what your connection is so i don't quite know what the answer should be. Yet. Sorry. 5) How much difference is there between linux distributions? As in, does the doc for one release apply to all? Is there some kind of enormous organized FAQ out there? Tons. A better question would be; How many developers work on each distribution? since that would be closer than my flip answer. We don't want to start you out with things like alien etc. That comes later. g TIA Gary There should be a contrib directory in your update_source site's listings. You'll need to add it manually, since it's not on the disks, either from the command line or the GUI. Mandrake Control Center's Software Manager add source dialogue I mean. Hope some of this helps Gary. Good luck. Regards; -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org A synonym is a word you use when you can't spell the word you first thought of. -- Burt Bacharach Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How do you figure out what's out there?
El Jue 07 Nov 2002 13:17, Gary Armstrong escribió: Couple of questions from a true newbie: 1) How do you figure out the names of applications available to solve a particular need? Well, you can always search google, and if that fails.. you ask here ;o) 2) In particular, I'm looking for the best FREE case tool. I'm trying to demo argo(is there a better one?). The home page didn't appear to have an rpm. How do I know if there is one out there in the ether? It also requires jre which doesn't seem to be installed on my mdk9.0 machine. Tried urpmi java and it doesn't appear to be on the CDs either, but not knowing what it's called, this could all be a newbie problem. It is a newbie problem, but you'll learn everything as you go. Soon enough, you will know where JRE and anything else you might need can be downloaded. for JRE, (Actually the name you are looking for is J2EE, remember that) go to http://java.sun.com JRE is not distributed under a Free Software license -as far as i know-, and that's why you don't see it included in Mandrake CD's. to find RPMs you can always search in www.rpmfind.net Oh, and also, you may want to browse a Mandrake FTP mirror, the contrib directory may have useful stuff, too. (Contribs are packages that are not included in the CD's either... ) And there's more interesting stuff at http://plf.zarb.org (yet more stuff that can't be included for license reasons) Oh, and last but not least, there's this guy called texstar, who makes excellent packages for Mandrake and other distros as well. In his site you will find themes for KDE, improved Mozilla versions (improved font rendering), media players, and more. ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.0/ 3) I've been using the Mozilla browser. Its download manager doesn't appear capable of restarting. That has already been painful. Can I get it to use a different download manager and what would that be? Is there some better way? i don't think there's a way to tell Mozilla which Download manager to use, but if you want a RELIABLE download manager (which retries automatically when a download is failed, etc) you can use wget. wget is a commandline tool. so when you want to download a big file, open up a terminal window, type wget and paste the URL to the file, then hit enter. Also, there are many graphical download managers, i think the best is called Downloader for X, you can get it here: www.krasu.ru/soft/chuchelo/ 4) I've the seen the command to find rpms on the net go by several times, didn't think I'd need it soon. Sorry for the assumption, but what's the command to find rpms on the net? to find RPMS on the net you are better off using rpmfind.net, however you can use Mandrake's softwaremanager to add package sources ( the default is the three CD's, but you can add some websites as well ) so once you add them, just by calling urpmi packagename urpmi will download the package from wherever is needed, and install it at once. Two of the sites i mentioned earlier can be added to the softwaremanager. plf.zarb.org (look in the site for instrucions on doing this ) and ftp.ibiblio.org. 5) How much difference is there between linux distributions? Depends which distributions but for safety reasons, it's better to assume there's a lot of difference. Normally, the only differences between Linux distros are the programs you use to install/update packages, the OS's installation itself, hardware detection routines, general config and maintenance tools, and so on. There are also diferences in the way distros handle the directory structure. so in one distro you get some programs inside /opt, while in others you find them in /usr As in, does the doc for one release apply to all? If the doc refers to specific tools (like shell commands, or generic programs that do not change among distributions, like web browsers, etc) then it's probably OK to think it applies to you too. As for the administration of the OS itself (managing services, compiling programs, and the config tools i mentioned as being different among distros) you should only go by your own distro's book. Is there some kind of enormous organized FAQ out there? nah. The bad thing about the fastest evolving OS in the world is that it's very hard to write up-to-date docs for it.. however there are web sites that try to accomplish that, including a lot of Mandrakesoft websites. You could start with www.mandrakeuser.org --you'll find links to all the others from there. TIA Gary HTH Damian Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] How do you figure out what's out there?
On Fri, 2002-11-08 at 03:17, Gary Armstrong wrote: Couple of questions from a true newbie: 1) How do you figure out the names of applications available to solve a particular need? If you KNOW your need, you can check through heaps of different linux archives... http://sourceforge.net http://freshmeat.net http://www.icewalk.com http://www.linuxapps.com ...for a start... 2) In particular, I'm looking for the best FREE case tool. I'm trying to demo argo(is there a better one?). The home page didn't appear to have an rpm. How do I know if there is one out there in the ether? It also requires jre which doesn't seem to be installed on my mdk9.0 machine. Tried urpmi java and it doesn't appear to be on the CDs either, but not knowing what it's called, this could all be a newbie problem. Do you really need the RPM's or maybe you should get the source and compile them yourself? It's almost easier to set your system up to do the proper compiling and to do exactly that - you have more control over where programs are placed (you can create sub-dirs just for your test programs - like /usr/testing or whathaveyou) - the java stuff you should be able to download and install without a hitch as well. 3) I've been using the Mozilla browser. Its download manager doesn't appear capable of restarting. That has already been painful. Can I get it to use a different download manager and what would that be? Is there some better way? There are several download managers for Gnome and KDE - you can check at http://apps.kde.com http://www.gnome.org 4) I've the seen the command to find rpms on the net go by several times, didn't think I'd need it soon. Sorry for the assumption, but what's the command to find rpms on the net? Open up a terminal window and type rpmfind - or better yet, man rpmfind - that will give you all the instructions necessary...!! 5) How much difference is there between linux distributions? As in, does the doc for one release apply to all? Is there some kind of enormous organized FAQ out there? Differences between distros are like differences between coffees at a coffee shop...in distros, the basic file structures are the same, but each distro places things in different places...for instance...in RedHat, my DEFAULT Enlightenment dirs were /usr/share/enlightenment and that was it. In Mandrake v9, they are /usr/share/enlightenment, /usr/X11R6/share/enlightenment and /etc/X11/enlightenment - each distro puts things where the logical mind behind the distro deems it necessary...mind you - you can change that as well...each distro has different routines for installation, hardware detection, default setups, application, game, multimedia and utility setups...the list goes on...overall, though, you can change them to suit YOUR needs in the end. TIA Gary -- Fri Nov 8 09:40:00 EST 2002 |____ | | / \ /| |'-. | | .\__/ || | | | | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | | | / \__.`=._) (_ |kuhn media australia | |/ ._/ || |http://kma.0catch.com | |'. `\ | | |stephen kuhn | ;/ / | | |email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | smk ) /_/| |.---.| |mobile: 0410-728-389 | ' `-`' | I'm sick of being trodden on! The Elder Gods say they can make me a man! All it costs is my soul! I'll do it, cuz NOW I'M MAD!!! - Necronomicomics #1, Jack Herman Jeff Dee Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
