Re: [newbie] Influence and help LM91 NOW
On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 16:50, Stephen Kuhn wrote: Are ya sending me the CD's via post? (g) As a matter of fact Stephen, I will. Email me off list and we'll get it set up. --LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Influence and help LM91 NOW
On Friday 10 January 2003 11:39 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Take note: LM91 beta 1 is now out on some mirrors. Now is the time to start testing YOUR hardware and configurations. It's a prime opportunity for you to make 9.1 friendly to your own personal hardware, and in so doing a real world killer distro. Please read the following repost from Sascha Noyes concerning OK what mirrors? https://qa.mandrakesoft.com -Forwarded Message- From: Sascha Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake Raising More Capital Date: 22 Dec 2002 07:17:50 -0500 On Sunday 22 Dec 2002 12:35 am, Joseph Braddock wrote: Jerry, Maybe you would be willing to contribute some of your time to improve Mandrake's stability. There were numerous beta and release candidates for Mandrake 9.0. If you are having stability issues, the time to have them fixed is prior to the release being official. When Mandrake 9.1 is in beta and release candidate status, maybe you can download a copy (or buy one from cheapbytes) and submit the problems you've been experiencing to the development team. This is by no means an effort to slam you, it's simply that if we want the distro to work flawlessly and support all kinds of hardware combinations, then the more who join the testing effort the better. snip Mandrake have made a huge step forward with bugzilla in the last week or two. I would suggest to everyone who has an interest in the stability/excellence of 9.1 to make an account at https://qa.mandrakesoft.com. The feature that would be most useful to newbies is voting for bugs. If you are too intimidated in posting a new bug or comment on an exitant bug (which you shouldn't be), you can simply search for all unconfirmed bugs, and if you are experiencing them as well, you can vote for them. After two votes, a bug is marked new, and the more votes a bug receives, the more attention it will get (and face it that is what you need for 'your' bug in the beta process). The process to see unconfirmed bugs is to click Query existing bug reports, and then change the status field to unconfirmed and just do a search without any other parameters. Good luck, Sascha Noyes Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Influence and help LM91 NOW
On Friday 10 Jan 2003 5:03 pm, et wrote: On Friday 10 January 2003 11:39 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Take note: LM91 beta 1 is now out on some mirrors. Now is the time to start testing YOUR hardware and configurations. It's a prime opportunity for you to make 9.1 friendly to your own personal hardware, and in so doing a real world killer distro. Please read the following repost from Sascha Noyes concerning OK what mirrors? and for those of us who have never done anything like this before - some guidance please. I propose to get rid of 8.2, keeping 9.0 and install a test distro to the newly empty partition. Is that right? Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Influence and help LM91 NOW
Title: RE: [newbie] Influence and help LM91 NOW -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lyvim Xaphir Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 10:40 AM To: NewbieMandrake-List Subject: [newbie] Influence and help LM91 NOW Take note: LM91 beta 1 is now out on some mirrors. Now is the time to start testing YOUR hardware and configurations. It's a prime opportunity for you to make 9.1 friendly to your own personal hardware, and in so doing a real world killer distro. Please read the following repost from Sascha Noyes concerning https://qa.mandrakesoft.com -Forwarded Message- From: Sascha Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake Raising More Capital Date: 22 Dec 2002 07:17:50 -0500 On Sunday 22 Dec 2002 12:35 am, Joseph Braddock wrote: Jerry, Maybe you would be willing to contribute some of your time to improve Mandrake's stability. There were numerous beta and release candidates for Mandrake 9.0. If you are having stability issues, the time to have them fixed is prior to the release being official. When Mandrake 9.1 is in beta and release candidate status, maybe you can download a copy (or buy one from cheapbytes) and submit the problems you've been experiencing to the development team. This is by no means an effort to slam you, it's simply that if we want the distro to work flawlessly and support all kinds of hardware combinations, then the more who join the testing effort the better. snip Mandrake have made a huge step forward with bugzilla in the last week or two. I would suggest to everyone who has an interest in the stability/excellence of 9.1 to make an account at https://qa.mandrakesoft.com. The feature that would be most useful to newbies is voting for bugs. If you are too intimidated in posting a new bug or comment on an exitant bug (which you shouldn't be), you can simply search for all unconfirmed bugs, and if you are experiencing them as well, you can vote for them. After two votes, a bug is marked new, and the more votes a bug receives, the more attention it will get (and face it that is what you need for 'your' bug in the beta process). The process to see unconfirmed bugs is to click Query existing bug reports, and then change the status field to unconfirmed and just do a search without any other parameters. Good luck, Sascha Noyes
Re: [newbie] Influence and help LM91 NOW
OK, so what mirrors are showing 9.1 cooker? On Friday 10 January 2003 01:52 pm, Myers, Dennis R NWO wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lyvim Xaphir Sent: Friday, January 10, 2003 10:40 AM To: NewbieMandrake-List Subject: [newbie] Influence and help LM91 NOW Take note: LM91 beta 1 is now out on some mirrors. Now is the time to start testing YOUR hardware and configurations. It's a prime opportunity for you to make 9.1 friendly to your own personal hardware, and in so doing a real world killer distro. Please read the following repost from Sascha Noyes concerning https://qa.mandrakesoft.com -Forwarded Message- From: Sascha Noyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake Raising More Capital Date: 22 Dec 2002 07:17:50 -0500 On Sunday 22 Dec 2002 12:35 am, Joseph Braddock wrote: Jerry, Maybe you would be willing to contribute some of your time to improve Mandrake's stability. There were numerous beta and release candidates for Mandrake 9.0. If you are having stability issues, the time to have them fixed is prior to the release being official. When Mandrake 9.1 is in beta and release candidate status, maybe you can download a copy (or buy one from cheapbytes) and submit the problems you've been experiencing to the development team. This is by no means an effort to slam you, it's simply that if we want the distro to work flawlessly and support all kinds of hardware combinations, then the more who join the testing effort the better. snip Mandrake have made a huge step forward with bugzilla in the last week or two. I would suggest to everyone who has an interest in the stability/excellence of 9.1 to make an account at https://qa.mandrakesoft.com. The feature that would be most useful to newbies is voting for bugs. If you are too intimidated in posting a new bug or comment on an exitant bug (which you shouldn't be), you can simply search for all unconfirmed bugs, and if you are experiencing them as well, you can vote for them. After two votes, a bug is marked new, and the more votes a bug receives, the more attention it will get (and face it that is what you need for 'your' bug in the beta process). The process to see unconfirmed bugs is to click Query existing bug reports, and then change the status field to unconfirmed and just do a search without any other parameters. Good luck, Sascha Noyes Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Influence and help LM91 NOW
On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 12:03, et wrote: On Friday 10 January 2003 11:39 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Take note: LM91 beta 1 is now out on some mirrors. Now is the time to start testing YOUR hardware and configurations. It's a prime opportunity for you to make 9.1 friendly to your own personal hardware, and in so doing a real world killer distro. Please read the following repost from Sascha Noyes concerning OK what mirrors? Some of the cooker mirrors. Check them for availability: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/cookerdevel.php3 There are also valuable instructions on that page for creating a bootable cooker installation CD, and also how to keep your cooker installation stuff current. The US mirror at ftp3.wayne.edu in the US does not have it yet. However it is available in Paris: ftp://ftp.club-internet.fr/pub/unix/linux/distributions/Mandrake-devel/cooker --LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Influence and help LM91 NOW
Thanks, with this dialup connection, it ought to be early next week befor I get the first ISO burnt On Friday 10 January 2003 02:38 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Fri, 2003-01-10 at 12:03, et wrote: On Friday 10 January 2003 11:39 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Take note: LM91 beta 1 is now out on some mirrors. Now is the time to start testing YOUR hardware and configurations. It's a prime opportunity for you to make 9.1 friendly to your own personal hardware, and in so doing a real world killer distro. Please read the following repost from Sascha Noyes concerning OK what mirrors? Some of the cooker mirrors. Check them for availability: http://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/cookerdevel.php3 There are also valuable instructions on that page for creating a bootable cooker installation CD, and also how to keep your cooker installation stuff current. The US mirror at ftp3.wayne.edu in the US does not have it yet. However it is available in Paris: ftp://ftp.club-internet.fr/pub/unix/linux/distributions/Mandrake-devel/cook er --LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Influence and help LM91 NOW
Title: RE: [newbie] Influence and help LM91 NOW OK, so what mirrors are showing 9.1 cooker? It is up on the Mandrake Download Mirror sites now. Dennis M.
Re: [newbie] Influence and help LM91 NOW
Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 10 Jan 2003 5:03 pm, et wrote: On Friday 10 January 2003 11:39 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Take note: LM91 beta 1 is now out on some mirrors. Now is the time to start testing YOUR hardware and configurations. It's a prime opportunity for you to make 9.1 friendly to your own personal hardware, and in so doing a real world killer distro. Please read the following repost from Sascha Noyes concerning OK what mirrors? and for those of us who have never done anything like this before - some guidance please. I propose to get rid of 8.2, keeping 9.0 and install a test distro to the newly empty partition. Is that right? Anne It's pretty staight forward. The only thing I would caution you with is about is installing lilo. The new OS will expect you to overwrite your old lilo and adopt it's lilo.conf , but since it's only a test OS , you don't really want it to do that , so I personnally don't install lilo at all on the test OS install, but I do make a boot floppy, just in case. Then boot to M9.0 Desktop and use it's lilo install and lilo.conf to make your entries for booting M9.1, and this has the added advantage that if you messup it's easy to remake the entries, your not temparily locked out. So just run the M9.1 discs in the usual way and format the old M8.2 partition and install everything. The only other matter is the residue files and folders left in /boot partition from the old M8.2 OS, these have to be removed manually , best done after the install is over from dektop , but make copies , just in case, you never know, after an hour or so of looking at install files and folders it is not difficult to delete the wrong ones. So just copy them to say /root directory or spare partition, sensible to do this before you start. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re: [newbie] Influence and help LM91 NOW
---Original Message--- From: et [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 01/10/03 01:48 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Influence and help LM91 NOW OK, so what mirrors are showing 9.1 cooker? Actually, they are updated on Mandrake's normal download page with a link for something like Mandrake Linux 9.1 Beta. Joeb Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Influence and help LM91 NOW
On Friday 10 Jan 2003 8:09 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: and for those of us who have never done anything like this before - some guidance please. I propose to get rid of 8.2, keeping 9.0 and install a test distro to the newly empty partition. Is that right? Anne It's pretty staight forward. The only thing I would caution you with is about is installing lilo. The new OS will expect you to overwrite your old lilo and adopt it's lilo.conf , but since it's only a test OS , you don't really want it to do that , so I personnally don't install lilo at all on the test OS install, but I do make a boot floppy, just in case. Then boot to M9.0 Desktop and use it's lilo install and lilo.conf to make your entries for booting M9.1, and this has the added advantage that if you messup it's easy to remake the entries, your not temparily locked out. I feel quite wimpish, but I'm not really clear about this. I thought lilo would be written automatically, with the test distro as just one of the entries. a) Are you saying this is too dangerous? b) Just what do you have to do to avoid it? So just run the M9.1 discs in the usual way and format the old M8.2 partition and install everything. The only other matter is the residue files and folders left in /boot partition from the old M8.2 OS, these have to be removed manually , best done after the install is over from dektop , but make copies , just in case, you never know, after an hour or so of looking at install files and folders it is not difficult to delete the wrong ones. So just copy them to say /root directory or spare partition, sensible to do this before you start. Thanks Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Influence and help LM91 NOW
On Sat, 2003-01-11 at 03:39, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Take note: LM91 beta 1 is now out on some mirrors. Now is the time to start testing YOUR hardware and configurations. It's a prime opportunity for you to make 9.1 friendly to your own personal hardware, and in so doing a real world killer distro. Please read the following repost from Sascha Noyes concerning https://qa.mandrakesoft.com Are ya sending me the CD's via post? (g) -- Sat Jan 11 08:50:01 EST 2003 8:50am up 11:01, 3 users, load average: 0.18, 0.22, 0.21 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- * linux user:267497 * RH 7.3+ * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- C'mon guys. Tonight we're gonna party like it's 1999...again. -Fry I'm gonna drink 'till I reboot. -Bender Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Influence and help LM91 NOW
Anne, I triple boot, and to avoid problems I never install lilo on the second linux install. what I do is install the second OS without installing lilo or any boot loader. ( under an expert install ) then I copy 4 files from the /boot partition of the second to the first /boot partition I run two versions of 9.0 so here is what's in the /boot of the first one on hda5 boot.0300 initrd.img@ message-text config@ kernel.h@ System.map@ config-2.4.19-16amdk kernel.h-2.4.19-16amdk System.map-2.4.19-16mdk config-2.4.19-16mdk kernel.h-2.4.19-16mdk us.klt grub/ map vmlinuz@ initrd-2.4.19-16amdk.img message@vmlinuz-2.4.19-16amdk initrd-2.4.19-16mdk.img message-graphic vmlinuz-2.4.19-16mdk notice that all I had to do was rename each of the new files by adding an a before mdk. now in the /etc/lilo.conf of the first OS on hda I added the following for the OS on hdb image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.19-16amdk label=90 root=/dev/hdb5 initrd=/boot/initrd-2.4.19-16amdk.img append=quiet devfs=mount hdc=ide-scsi vga=788 read-only then I simply did lilo at a root prompt and rebooted and there it was , useable and all . Hope this helps -- Mike McNeese Springdale, Arkansas USA ° Currently triple booting 98lite; MDK 8.0 kernel 2.4.3-20; MDK 9.0 kernel 2.4.19-16 Registered Linux User #248955 ° If obstacles are what you see in your path... Then you have lost sight of your goal! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Influence and help LM91 NOW
On Friday 10 Jan 2003 10:17 pm, H.J.Bathoorn wrote: On Friday 10 January 2003 20:22, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 10 Jan 2003 8:09 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: and for those of us who have never done anything like this before - some guidance please. I propose to get rid of 8.2, keeping 9.0 and install a test distro to the newly empty partition. Is that right? Anne It's pretty straight forward. The only thing I would caution you with is about is installing lilo. The new OS will expect you to overwrite your old lilo and adopt it's lilo.conf , but since it's only a test OS , you don't really want it to do that , so I personally don't install lilo at all on the test OS install, but I do make a boot floppy, just in case. Then boot to M9.0 Desktop and use it's lilo install and lilo.conf to make your entries for booting M9.1, and this has the added advantage that if you messup it's easy to remake the entries, your not temparily locked out. I feel quite wimpish, but I'm not really clear about this. I thought lilo would be written automatically, with the test distro as just one of the entries. a) Are you saying this is too dangerous? Installing the 9.1 lilo will probably destroy (or at the very least:mess up) your 9.0 Lilo. Thus you wouldn't be able to boot in there (9.0) again as you did before. You'd need a boot floppy or some other rescue-disc to get that fixed again. It's not a permanent sort of disaster, just a nuisance. b) Just what do you have to do to avoid it? Don't install lilo when asked. Use the 9.1 floppy for booting itself or add an entry in the 9.0 lilo for it. You'll have to point it to the right / partition and copy the right 9.1 kernel image (vmlinuzxx.xx) to the /boot directory. You can find it in the 9.1 /boot directory. As example here's my /boot: [harm@triade1 harm]$ ls /boot boot.0300kernel.h-2.4.19-16mdkSystem.map.pre-win4lin@ config@ map System.map.win4lin config-2.4.19-16mdk message@ us-latin1.klt grub/message-graphic vmlinuz@ initrd-2.4.19-16mdk.img message-text vmlinuz-2.4.19-16mdk initrd.img@ System.map@ vmlinuz-2.4.19-xfs* kernel.h@System.map-2.4.19-16mdk win4lin In there you can see the vmlinuz-2.4.19-xfs* which is the image for the freeduc (came with the January edition of LInuxFormat) distrib I copied to my HD. The entry in /etc/lilo.conf for it looks like this: read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz label=failsafe root=/dev/hdc1 initrd=/boot/initrd.img append=devfs=nomount failsafe read-only image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.19-xfs label=freeduc root=/dev/hda1 read-only vga=791 This way you can run and boot as many linux-versions -sorts your HD's can handle. You can even have them share partitions. Good testing, HarM Thanks to all who've answered. I think I'll be OK now. Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Influence and help LM91 NOW
On Sat, 2003-01-11 at 08:24, Charlie wrote: On January 10, 2003 12:58 pm, et wrote: Thanks, with this dialup connection, it ought to be early next week befor I get the first ISO burnt snip I just grabbed a good download (sums checked) of beta1; so if anyone that wants to test wants me to send them a disk speak up. CD-Rs aren't a problem; a local retailer had a sale for 100 40X max 700 MB blanks price was CDN$33 (about US $21.35) and change including tax. I'll mail to anybody in Western Canada. Last time I sent disks to the U.S. it took almost 2 weeks to get there. Probably not acceptable for beta testing, is it? Regards; Don't reckon ya wanna send a set to Australia, ay mate? -- Sat Jan 11 09:25:00 EST 2003 9:25am up 11:36, 3 users, load average: 0.34, 0.46, 0.30 -- |____ | kuhn media australia| | / ,, /| |'-. | http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | |=| | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' | stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | |/ ._/ || | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | |'. `\ | | |icq: 5483808 | | ;/ / | | | | | smk ) /_/| |.---.| | mobile: 0410-728-389| | ' `-`' | Berkeley, New South Wales, AU | -- * linux user:267497 * RH 7.3+ * PC/Mac/Linux/Networking/Consulting -- If we see the light at the end of the tunnel, it's the light of an oncoming train. -- Robert Lowell Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Influence and help LM91 NOW
Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 10 Jan 2003 8:09 pm, John Richard Smith wrote: and for those of us who have never done anything like this before - some guidance please. I propose to get rid of 8.2, keeping 9.0 and install a test distro to the newly empty partition. Is that right? Anne It's pretty staight forward. The only thing I would caution you with is about is installing lilo. The new OS will expect you to overwrite your old lilo and adopt it's lilo.conf , but since it's only a test OS , you don't really want it to do that , so I personnally don't install lilo at all on the test OS install, but I do make a boot floppy, just in case. Then boot to M9.0 Desktop and use it's lilo install and lilo.conf to make your entries for booting M9.1, and this has the added advantage that if you messup it's easy to remake the entries, your not temparily locked out. I feel quite wimpish, but I'm not really clear about this. I thought lilo would be written automatically, with the test distro as just one of the entries. a) Are you saying this is too dangerous? no, not at all, just not necessary, you don't have to install lilo , just click it off , and get to the next item on the agenda, It's a personal choice, the point is if you choose to install the beta version lilo that's whatyou will be booting on, and it's lilo.conf, so if you format over the beta install , or whatever you loose the lilo.conf too, no more either OS until you reinstall a new lilo, and lilo.conf, so why bother to install the beta lilo and lilo.conf at all just boot up to desktop with the M9.0 lilo and lilo.conf and just write a stanza to boot the beta version then you can do what ever you like with the beta partition and you don't loose the ability to boot M9.0 . It's a different matter when the final release comes out, then you would obviously choose to install that lilo and lilo.conf to boot both OS's b) Just what do you have to do to avoid it? Just click if off and get on with the next part of the install, what comes after lilo, let me think, boot floppy I think, and it's a good idea to make one of those. Indeed , instead of using M9.0's lilo and lilo.conf and a new stanza, to boot the beta install, you could just use the floppy, good enough for testing out a beta version don't you think. John -- John Richard Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Influence and help LM91 NOW
On January 10, 2003 04:01 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: On Sat, 2003-01-11 at 09:59, Charlie wrote: On January 10, 2003 03:29 pm, Stephen Kuhn wrote: snip Don't reckon ya wanna send a set to Australia, ay mate? I'll send the disk anywhere Stephen. I just don't know how useful it would be if it gets to it's destination after 2 more ISOs in the beta/test series are released. The only way to prevent that AFAIK is FedEx. Regards Crap - well, I'm going to try to get 'em downloaded next time I go up to Sydney - think I have to go up there next week anyways - just hate having a 56k connection (Damn damn damn damn) Meanwhile, thanks - very kind offer mate - but out of pocket expenses are too high - ya gots to save yer money for more Canadian beer! (g) Stephen Any time. I've gotten so much help just lurking and reading the Mandrake lists that sending people disks wouldn't seem quite enough pay back to this community. When the temperature only climbs to a blistering -12 C I don't think cold ones are on the agenda. No matter how good Canadian beer is. :-) Hot rum toddies made with Old Sam (overproof dark rum) may work though. hick! Regards; hick! ;) -- Charlie Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
