RE: [newbie] Mandrake 6.0 install continually hangs
well my problem is even bigger... I have no idea why but my Mandrake 6.0 hangs after 6 Mb copied... why? may be my CD-ROM drive, because I can install Mandrake with another CDROM but the weird thing is that I put my CD Drive in another machine and it works!!! so? what the deal? Tribs - Original Message - From: Colin Eddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 6.0 install continually hangs Actually I've tried both the Mandrake and RedHat 6.0 installs and they do the exact same thing and hang in the same place. Plus I wouldn't think that pentium optimizations would cause a hang on the install before anything really happens. What kind of a processor _do_ you have? If you don't have a Pentium, what is it supposed to do when it received an unrecognized opcode? Some processors just stop working. Others call some bad-opcode-handler interrupt. Even if your processor calls an exception interrupt, the setup may not have made it do anything besides hang the computer. I am using a 486DX2/66 for this. I have read all the Mandrake and RedHat documentation/hardware compatibility lists and they both say that anything Intel above a i386 are fully supported. Although on another list, Mandrake says all Intel and compatibles, but they only specifically list Pentiums and above. Both distributions apparently now give you the option during the install process to choose the type of prebuilt kernel you want to install. At this point I could see how if I chose a pentium kernel instead of a 486 one I would have a problem. Since I don't even begin the install before it hangs, this should not be the problem. The kernel running from the boot disk should be a completely backwards compatible 386 kernel or else they should not/could not claim to support the older processors like they do in their documentation. As far as other hardware related issues, since I'm already running RedHat 5.0 with absolutely no problems, the only issue would be if the newer distributions decided to no longer work with my hardware which I haven't read anything about anywhere. All my relevant hardware seems to be on the lists anyway. ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 6.0 install continually hangs
You SHOULD be able to install from a RedHat 6.0 CD, as that is still (AFAIK) compiled with 386+ in mind, not Pentium+ in mind. Mandrake, on the other hand, is (currently) designed for Pentium+ with the default kernels. John - Original Message - From: Andy Goth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 8:11 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 6.0 install continually hangs try ftp.linux-mandrake.com Uh... sorry. This computer (which I do not have constant access to) has a slow modem, and my PC doesn't have a modem at all. Downloading the whole thing is out of the question. Compiling the whole thing should take way too long as well. It takes DJGPP at least a minute to make a single simple object file! Linux-Mandrake is a pretty complicated beast! I hope I can get a better computer someday soon. It's pretty hard knowing that I cannot buy any new software since it's all designed for better processors than I have. Money trouble... urgh. Maybe I'll just stick to Red Hat 5.0.
RE: [newbie] Mandrake 6.0 install continually hangs
Check out LinuxMall they should sell the GPL versions of the Older Linux OS's.. James J. Capone Webmaster http://linuxuser.8m.com Webmaster http://teammajestic.8m.com Asst. Webmaster http://www.ptm.com Co Author Linux For Newbies "Even Common People Can Attain Uncommon Results" -Original Message- From: Andy Goth [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 2:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 6.0 install continually hangs File: ATT4.txt; charset = x-user-defined
RE: [newbie] Mandrake 6.0 install continually hangs
Colin - You'll probably get quite a few replies, but in any case, the Mandrake 6.0 linux is one of those that is compiled to run on a Pentium chip. You won't get it working correctly on a 486. The earlier Mandrake 5.3 however, should work correctly. I've loaded it on a 486dx2/66, and had it up and running without problems. Bill -Original Message- From: Colin Eddy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 11:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 6.0 install continually hangs Actually I've tried both the Mandrake and RedHat 6.0 installs and they do the exact same thing and hang in the same place. Plus I wouldn't think that pentium optimizations would cause a hang on the install before anything really happens. What kind of a processor _do_ you have? If you don't have a Pentium, what is it supposed to do when it received an unrecognized opcode? Some processors just stop working. Others call some bad-opcode-handler interrupt. Even if your processor calls an exception interrupt, the setup may not have made it do anything besides hang the computer. I am using a 486DX2/66 for this. I have read all the Mandrake and RedHat documentation/hardware compatibility lists and they both say that anything Intel above a i386 are fully supported. Although on another list, Mandrake says all Intel and compatibles, but they only specifically list Pentiums and above. Both distributions apparently now give you the option during the install process to choose the type of prebuilt kernel you want to install. At this point I could see how if I chose a pentium kernel instead of a 486 one I would have a problem. Since I don't even begin the install before it hangs, this should not be the problem. The kernel running from the boot disk should be a completely backwards compatible 386 kernel or else they should not/could not claim to support the older processors like they do in their documentation. As far as other hardware related issues, since I'm already running RedHat 5.0 with absolutely no problems, the only issue would be if the newer distributions decided to no longer work with my hardware which I haven't read anything about anywhere. All my relevant hardware seems to be on the lists anyway. ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 6.0 install continually hangs
try ftp.linux-madrake.com Andy Goth wrote: Actually I've tried both the Mandrake and RedHat 6.0 installs and they do the exact same thing and hang in the same place. Plus I wouldn't think that pentium optimizations would cause a hang on the install before anything really happens. If they both hang in the same place, that points to a different issue. Possibly an incompatibility with something in your PC. Pentium optimizations also imply Pentium opcodes which don't exist on the 486. Any program compiled with a Pentium specific compiler could fail. I don't know which items in Mandrake are compiled specifically for Pentium, but I suspect probably all of them are. That would seem to be the easiest way, as it should only affect the make file. While on the subject, how can I (or anyone else) obtain a version of Mandrake-Linux that's compiled for a 486 (or some other processor)?
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 6.0 install continually hangs
On 02-Aug-99 Colin Eddy wrote: I am using a 486DX2/66 for this. I have read all the Mandrake and RedHat documentation/hardware compatibility lists and they both say that anything Intel above a i386 are fully supported. Although on another list, Mandrake says all Intel and compatibles, but they only specifically list Pentiums and above. Both distributions apparently now give you the option during the install process to choose the type of prebuilt kernel you want to install. At this point I could see how if I chose a pentium kernel instead of a 486 one I would have a problem. Since I don't even begin the install before it hangs, this should not be the problem. The kernel running from the boot disk should be a completely backwards compatible 386 kernel or else they should not/could not claim to support the older processors like they do in their documentation. If you read that Mandrake works on anything below a Pentium-class CPU, then it either wasn't for M6 or it needs to be updated. ALL (or at least most--I don't know if they compiled Netscape's source code themselves) the Mandrake packages are compiled with Pentium optimizations, so there wouldn't really be any point in having a kernel compiled for 386, for Mandrake. I have no idea why RedHat would give you problems. Maybe there is something about the newer RedHat/Mandrake installation disks that causes problems with your hardware. If you're making the boot disks yourself from images, are you using rawrite in DOS, or dd from an already set up Linux installation? dd seems more reliable than rawrite. If you don't have an existing Linux installation, you can make a root/boot disk (there's one on M6 CD and should be one on RH6 CD too I think), boot from it, and then use dd to make an installation boot disk. If THAT doesn't work I'd try starting the installation with a boot disk from an older version of RedHat. And if that doesn't work, I'd try either Mandrake 5.3, Redhat 5.2 (if you can still get them) or another distro.. As far as other hardware related issues, since I'm already running RedHat 5.0 with absolutely no problems, the only issue would be if the newer distributions decided to no longer work with my hardware which I haven't read anything about anywhere. All my relevant hardware seems to be on the lists anyway. There could be subtle corruptions with your hardware that show up under certain conditions but not under others. (And it seems a lot of people have had that kind of trouble with Mandrake in particular.) -Tom
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 6.0 install continually hangs
try ftp.linux-mandrake.com Uh... sorry. This computer (which I do not have constant access to) has a slow modem, and my PC doesn't have a modem at all. Downloading the whole thing is out of the question. Compiling the whole thing should take way too long as well. It takes DJGPP at least a minute to make a single simple object file! Linux-Mandrake is a pretty complicated beast! I hope I can get a better computer someday soon. It's pretty hard knowing that I cannot buy any new software since it's all designed for better processors than I have. Money trouble... urgh. Maybe I'll just stick to Red Hat 5.0.
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 6.0 install continually hangs
It's my understanding that Mandrake is built with Pentium optimizations in place. You may wish to try Red Hat 6.0 instead. - Original Message - From: Colin Eddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 7:01 PM Subject: [newbie] Mandrake 6.0 install continually hangs Is there a reason why a machine that could run RedHat 5.0 can't run Mandrake 6.0?
RE: [newbie] Mandrake 6.0 install continually hangs
On 02-Aug-99 Colin Eddy wrote: I currently am running RedHat 5.0 on my old 486 and would like to install either Mandrake 6.0. Unfortunately no matter what I've tried, the install continually hangs in the same places (depending on the method). I have tried both and FTP and HD install. The packages in Mandrake are compiled with Pentium-specific optimizations, and probably don't run on a 486. You might be better off with RedHat 6.0, or a version of M6 compiled for 386/486, if there's one available.. -Tom
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 6.0 install continually hangs
Actually I've tried both the Mandrake and RedHat 6.0 installs and they do the exact same thing and hang in the same place. Plus I wouldn't think that pentium optimizations would cause a hang on the install before anything really happens. From: "William Meyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake 6.0 install continually hangs Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:23:08 -0700 It's my understanding that Mandrake is built with Pentium optimizations in place. You may wish to try Red Hat 6.0 instead. - Original Message - From: Colin Eddy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 7:01 PM Subject: [newbie] Mandrake 6.0 install continually hangs Is there a reason why a machine that could run RedHat 5.0 can't run Mandrake 6.0? ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 6.0 install continually hangs
Actually I've tried both the Mandrake and RedHat 6.0 installs and they do the exact same thing and hang in the same place. Plus I wouldn't think that pentium optimizations would cause a hang on the install before anything really happens. What kind of a processor _do_ you have? If you don't have a Pentium, what is it supposed to do when it received an unrecognized opcode? Some processors just stop working. Others call some bad-opcode-handler interrupt. Even if your processor calls an exception interrupt, the setup may not have made it do anything besides hang the computer.
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 6.0 install continually hangs
Actually I've tried both the Mandrake and RedHat 6.0 installs and they do the exact same thing and hang in the same place. Plus I wouldn't think that pentium optimizations would cause a hang on the install before anything really happens. If they both hang in the same place, that points to a different issue. Possibly an incompatibility with something in your PC. Pentium optimizations also imply Pentium opcodes which don't exist on the 486. Any program compiled with a Pentium specific compiler could fail. I don't know which items in Mandrake are compiled specifically for Pentium, but I suspect probably all of them are. That would seem to be the easiest way, as it should only affect the make file.
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 6.0 install continually hangs
Actually I've tried both the Mandrake and RedHat 6.0 installs and they do the exact same thing and hang in the same place. Plus I wouldn't think that pentium optimizations would cause a hang on the install before anything really happens. If they both hang in the same place, that points to a different issue. Possibly an incompatibility with something in your PC. Pentium optimizations also imply Pentium opcodes which don't exist on the 486. Any program compiled with a Pentium specific compiler could fail. I don't know which items in Mandrake are compiled specifically for Pentium, but I suspect probably all of them are. That would seem to be the easiest way, as it should only affect the make file. While on the subject, how can I (or anyone else) obtain a version of Mandrake-Linux that's compiled for a 486 (or some other processor)?
