RE: [newbie] Mandrake and Winnt
Bob, Yup, I did read that, and a bunch more... http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/MultiOS-HOWTO.html The how to, although having plenty of good info, does not address win/2000 or nt at all since the author had neither. Sorry. Thought I mentioned that. The reason I'd suggested it was for pointers. Much of the information really does apply to any multi-boot install, yet each carries certain "gotchya's" best addressed if when they come up. I have noticed though, that the howto's are being (albeit slowly) updated, there are new additions as well. I can't imagine it will be long before there will be Linux/W2k howto. Think how it was when the few existing howto's weren't being updated at all. Worse, way beck when there were ~only~ a few. With the growing popularity of Linux, the maintainers of the doc project have realized that they too have to do more than archive out-dated material. I talked to ops in linux-mandrake on irc and there are differences in the nt boot as compared to win/2000. I don't recall the details. Hmm. Well, yes...from what I vaguely remember from the time I'd dual-booted with NT4 (though only for a short time -- I don't much care for NT, let alone Windows). But the differences are worked out as one goes. I'm by no means ~that~ good with Linux, but I've learned a lot from trial error, trial success. And with the fact Windows OS's have often to be reinstalled for whatever reason, one picks it all up. I don't think its anything for 98% of the newbie type people I know to mess with. Hopefully, the other 2% are wise enough to be doing it on a spare disk drive. This is always the safest thing -- particularly with any Windows as the other OS, though I admit that I've managed a pretty stable dual-boot last RH 6.0/W98 now on two boxes with lm7.2/W2k. It has a great deal to do with how Windows installed. It doesn't matter than the box may not have changed between installs -- Windows ( I've noticed that RH 5.0 6.0 to a lesser degree) installs differently each time it's installed. If it isn't especially stable to begin with (all things considered), it won't help your Linux at all. But, though you are ( I am) taking your chances dual-booting on a single drive, things are getting better. I made the mistake of trying to multiboot using space I had left free once a few years ago and lost it all (my live partition, with all my apps and code and financial stuff) in a goofed partitioning program or via my error, I'll never know. It happens to everyone -- it's not necessarily operator error. The first time I installed lm7.2, my W2k had installed oddly on D instead of C. I figured that since both W2k lm7.2 were smart enough to install anywhere on a hard drive, I'd just install lm on the first partiton. During the lm intall, I'd specifially clicked only on the first partiont to format the first, free, partition only. You guessed it -- it formatted the entire drive. Just goes to show that even a smart OS/install app can screw up. I gotta say, though, Linux newbies in particular, seem to rarely be real newbie types like the one I deal with all day, everyday. Heh. If I understand you right, you're talking about the average Windows end-user as opposed to an end-user who'd at least connected to a Unix server via telnet...so to speak. I think one has to be a bit more a geek to even try Linux, let alone try it stick with it. What I don't get is all this talk of a steep learning curve. It's only a very short time that anyone attempting a Unix/Linux remains lost. I've known people who knew nothing beyond point click in Windows who'd learned how to deal with occasionally useing the command line (without too much whining;-) in very short order. A Linux newbie is simply not a 'puter newbie. Meph -- "I did this 'cause Linux gives me a woody." -Dave '-ddt-' Taylor, announcing DOOM for Linux
RE: [newbie] Mandrake and Winnt
Your link is hosed http://www.maximumlinux.com/howtos/howto/2000_05_23/quad_boot.html I read enough of it to see that its for Red Hat, not Mandrake, uses a custom install, doesn't use LILO, and uses BeOS bootman to boot. If I attempted it, I'd fail, I think... BobC just a newbie with Linux, but older and wiser, otherwise :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of L. H. LOO Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 2:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake and Winnt At 20-01-2001 +0800, you wrote: Can Linux Mandrake dual-boot with Windows 2000? And how to do so?( i have heared that linux's bootloader cannot boot Winows nt) FYI http://www.maximum.inux.com/howtos/howto/2000_05_23/quad_boot.html
RE: [newbie] Mandrake and Winnt
At 20-01-2001 +0800, you wrote: Can Linux Mandrake dual-boot with Windows 2000? And how to do so?( i have heared that linux's bootloader cannot boot Winows nt) FYI http://www.maximum.inux.com/howtos/howto/2000_05_23/quad_boot.html With or without that link, while you really ought to read the multi-boot howto's at http://www.linuxdoc.org, it's not difficult. The safest thing when setting up a dual- or multi-boot box with any form of M$ (though I don't know if anyone's had the same trouble with SCO) is to be sure the M$ product is installed first. The howtos will tell you how to do so otherwise, but it is recommended M$ go first. From experience with dual-booting RedHat 6.0 W9x, WNT4.0 or W2k, as well as dual-booting LM7.2 W2k, when you install the Linux, it should (, in most cases, will) find that you have another OS installed will allow you to either delete that partition or to use other, unused space. After partitioning the unused space installing, you'll get to the boot set-up. Here you'll tell the system what boot loader to use. The first time you boot, you'll likely not have access to your M$ partition. So, once booted logged into your LM as root, you'll have to do a couple of things. If you'd chosen to use the Grub (default) boot loader, you'll open DrakConf, go to the boot tools icon set that up with your M$ partition. You can call it anything you'd like, but will find it helpful later if you keep it something simple, like win. After that, in a terminal or graphical editor, open /etc/fstab enter a line like this: /dev/hda1 /winvfat user,exec,umask=0 0 0 The /dev/hdaX is whatever drive (in this case, after installing W2k first, likely hda1), the /win is the name you've given your W2k partition, the rest is easy access technicalities you can alter by reading the howto's to make more to your liking. After that, as root at the prompt, type: # mkdir /win or whatever you've decided to call your W2k partition in /etc/fstab, reboot. Of course, you don't actually ~have~ to reboot, you can simply enter: # mount /win you're set, but rebooting will let you see all the pretty icons in Grub or the lovely green or red indicators in lilo:-). Meph -- "I did this 'cause Linux gives me a woody." -Dave '-ddt-' Taylor, announcing DOOM for Linux
RE: [newbie] Mandrake and Winnt
Yup, I did read that, and a bunch more... http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/MultiOS-HOWTO.html The how to, although having plenty of good info, does not address win/2000 or nt at all since the author had neither. I talked to ops in linux-mandrake on irc and there are differences in the nt boot as compared to win/2000. I don't recall the details. I don't think its anything for 98% of the newbie type people I know to mess with. Hopefully, the other 2% are wise enough to be doing it on a spare disk drive. I made the mistake of trying to multiboot using space I had left free once a few years ago and lost it all (my live partition, with all my apps and code and financial stuff) in a goofed partitioning program or via my error, I'll never know. I gotta say, though, Linux newbies in particular, seem to rarely be real newbie types like the one I deal with all day, everyday. BobC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Meph Istopheles Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 9:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Mandrake and Winnt At 20-01-2001 +0800, you wrote: Can Linux Mandrake dual-boot with Windows 2000? And how to do so?( i have heared that linux's bootloader cannot boot Winows nt) FYI http://www.maximum.inux.com/howtos/howto/2000_05_23/quad_boot.html With or without that link, while you really ought to read the multi-boot howto's at http://www.linuxdoc.org, it's not difficult. The safest thing when setting up a dual- or multi-boot box with any form of M$ (though I don't know if anyone's had the same trouble with SCO) is to be sure the M$ product is installed first. The howtos will tell you how to do so otherwise, but it is recommended M$ go first. From experience with dual-booting RedHat 6.0 W9x, WNT4.0 or W2k, as well as dual-booting LM7.2 W2k, when you install the Linux, it should (, in most cases, will) find that you have another OS installed will allow you to either delete that partition or to use other, unused space. After partitioning the unused space installing, you'll get to the boot set-up. Here you'll tell the system what boot loader to use. The first time you boot, you'll likely not have access to your M$ partition. So, once booted logged into your LM as root, you'll have to do a couple of things. If you'd chosen to use the Grub (default) boot loader, you'll open DrakConf, go to the boot tools icon set that up with your M$ partition. You can call it anything you'd like, but will find it helpful later if you keep it something simple, like win. After that, in a terminal or graphical editor, open /etc/fstab enter a line like this: /dev/hda1 /winvfat user,exec,umask=0 0 0 The /dev/hdaX is whatever drive (in this case, after installing W2k first, likely hda1), the /win is the name you've given your W2k partition, the rest is easy access technicalities you can alter by reading the howto's to make more to your liking. After that, as root at the prompt, type: # mkdir /win or whatever you've decided to call your W2k partition in /etc/fstab, reboot. Of course, you don't actually ~have~ to reboot, you can simply enter: # mount /win you're set, but rebooting will let you see all the pretty icons in Grub or the lovely green or red indicators in lilo:-). Meph -- "I did this 'cause Linux gives me a woody." -Dave '-ddt-' Taylor, announcing DOOM for Linux
RE: [newbie] Mandrake and Winnt
I think I'll be saving this msg for another day... Thanks for the info... BobC -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of eryl Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 3:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Mandrake and Winnt Bob Currey wrote: Yup, I did read that, and a bunch more... http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/MultiOS-HOWTO.html The how to, although having plenty of good info, does not address win/2000 or nt at all since the author had neither. Meph has his way, I have mine. My preference is to use the NT/Win2000 bootloader to control the boot-up process. Load Win2000(or NT4.0) first, preferrably on the 1st partition. If you're using 2 drives, put it on the primary drive (the Windows boot sector needs to be on the drive that the bios looks at first). Second, install linux and be absolutely certain that you create a boot disk! Choose lilo as the bootloader and DO NOT install it to the mbr, but install it to the first linux partition, mine is hda6 (or to the linux drive if you are using 2 harddisks). When this is done the lilo.conf boot line (boot=) should point to the linux partition, NOT the Win2000 partition. Now, we need to get the linux boot sector to Windows 2000. Boot with the linux floppy and then remove the floppy, put in a blank diskette and mount the drive (it will probably already be mounted, but if not use the following command) mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy Copy the LILO boot sector to the floppy with the command: dd if=/dev/hda6 bs=512 count=1 of=mnt/floppy/linux.bin Substitute the hda6 for whatever your first linux partition is (you know, the one that you installed LILO to). Reboot into Windows2000 and copy the linux.bin file from the floppy to your root drive (C:\). Next, use Notepad to open the boot.ini file and add the line:C:\linux.bin="Mandrake Linux"to the end of the file (write the boot.ini file if you have to, unaccountably, some NT4.0 boot.ini's are blank. This is what my boot.ini looks like: [boot loader] timeout=0 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000 /fa c:\linux.bin="Mandrake Linux" Save and exit. Open an MSDOS window and at the prompt: C:attrib -s -r boot.ini Reboot with no floppy in the drive and you should see an option for Linux Mandrake. You may need to open My Computer, choose Properties, then Advanced and in the startup and recovery section check the box to display all operating systems, and then set the number of seconds to display the screen before booting the default OS. You can make Linux the default if you wish.
