Re: [newbie] Too much like winblows? What?
On Tuesday 24 Dec 2002 2:17 pm, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Since Linux requires you to understand what it's capabilities are before you can use them (duh, that applies to anything) the people that say it looks too much like winblows tend to annoy me. It seems that some people are so limited in their personal scope that they NEED a LACK of choice in order to function or exist. But the comforting this is that you can have something familiar to help you get things done while you are learning. If you don't need that, well, as LX says, you can or ... or ... or Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Too much like winblows? What?
Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Sun, 2002-12-22 at 09:28, walt wrote: I plan on supporting Mandrake in every way that I can. I love this distro. I have tried others, including debian and have always come back to this one. Someone on another forum said they wouldn't use mandrake because it looked too much like windows for him. I personally think that if they want to get people to use linux, looking like windows is the way to go. People tend to use what looks familiar to them. I really hope that the Mandrake team gets it together to continue putting out a quality product. Walt What really confuses me is the fact that you cannot make windows look like anything but windows, yet Mandrake (linux) can be made to look like anything you want (with Enlightenment) or it can look like winblows (KDE) but better. So where in the hell are these people getting off at? My statement here is that people that say Linux looks too much like winblows have not gained an understanding of the capabilities of Linux to be ANYTHING. In Enlightenment, the GUI changes with the theme. If you want a winblows theme, you just download one, and volia! the system is a winblows clone. Or you can go into KDE. Or you can download an Enlightenment theme that's totally alien to anything out there, and when you select that theme under E, your system becomes alien. Simple. One major reason I run E is because after several years I got absolutely sick of seeing nothing but square title bars. With E you have the ability to create title bars of any shape or color or texture you want. That's just one freedom that's supplied by Enlightenment. E's whole overall theme (if there is one) is freedom itself; freedom of the GUI. Since Linux requires you to understand what it's capabilities are before you can use them (duh, that applies to anything) the people that say it looks too much like winblows tend to annoy me. It seems that some people are so limited in their personal scope that they NEED a LACK of choice in order to function or exist. Quite. You can also make KDE look and function very unlike Windows if you so desire. The themes that come bundled are designed to look very like other OSs (not just Windows, BTW) but there's stuff around that can make your desktop look decidedly weird. I generally stick to a standard, vaguely Windows-like look, since my wife and I use the same user account (that's togetherness for you!), but in the old days of KDE1 my desktop was pretty off-the-wall. Sir Robin Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Too much like winblows? What?
On Tuesday 24 December 2002 09:17 am, you wrote: What really confuses me is the fact that you cannot make windows look like anything but windows, Hehehehe, thats because there is only so much you can do with dog-ugly! lol -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
RE: [newbie] Too much like winblows? What?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Lyvim Xaphir Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 6:17 AM To: NewbieMandrake-List Subject: [newbie] Too much like winblows? What? On Sun, 2002-12-22 at 09:28, walt wrote: I plan on supporting Mandrake in every way that I can. I love this distro. I have tried others, including debian and have always come back to this one. Someone on another forum said they wouldn't use mandrake because it looked too much like windows for him. I personally think that if they want to get people to use linux, looking like windows is the way to go. People tend to use what looks familiar to them. I really hope that the Mandrake team gets it together to continue putting out a quality product. Walt What really confuses me is the fact that you cannot make windows look like anything but windows, yet Mandrake (linux) can be made to look like anything you want (with Enlightenment) or it can look like winblows (KDE) but better. So where in the hell are these people getting off at? My statement here is that people that say Linux looks too much like winblows have not gained an understanding of the capabilities of Linux to be ANYTHING. In Enlightenment, the GUI changes with the theme. If you want a winblows theme, you just download one, and volia! the system is a winblows clone. Or you can go into KDE. Or you can download an Enlightenment theme that's totally alien to anything out there, and when you select that theme under E, your system becomes alien. Simple. One major reason I run E is because after several years I got absolutely sick of seeing nothing but square title bars. With E you have the ability to create title bars of any shape or color or texture you want. That's just one freedom that's supplied by Enlightenment. E's whole overall theme (if there is one) is freedom itself; freedom of the GUI. Since Linux requires you to understand what it's capabilities are before you can use them (duh, that applies to anything) the people that say it looks too much like winblows tend to annoy me. It seems that some people are so limited in their personal scope that they NEED a LACK of choice in order to function or exist. And that's all I'm going to say on this. --LX -- °°° Kernel 2.4.18-6mdk Mandrake Linux 8.2 Enlightenment 0.16.5-11mdkEvolution 1.0.2-5mdk Registered Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ °°° Hmm, Regarding the confusion you mentioned, and in all fairness, you can make windows look and feel like anything you like. There are a range of options from just changing the way windows looks with something like object desktop, to changing the way it acts with a replacement shell like darkstep or litestep, to changing some of both with something like aston. I've used these with success and enjoy the freedom from the GUI about which you wrote. I like different features of different window managers and shells. I have a CDE-like panel at the bottom of the screen, but I don't like CDE's title bars, so I use different ones. But I could make it look like enlightenment, fvwm, or whatever. I agree that having a windows-like desktop when you first install IS a good idea for people just starting with Linux. As they learn they'll start to customize, and make it their own. Merry Christmas ~Brandon Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
