Re: [newbie] Beep Media Player

2004-03-21 Thread Anne Wilson
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On Saturday 20 March 2004 22:40, Brian Parish wrote:

 Yeah - I've found artsd doing that sort of thing, so I have it
 disabled.  Probably the real answer has something to do with the
 fact that the only output plugin that wants to work is OSS.  The
 native ALSA stuff may do better, but XMMS just makes no sound or
 complains that something is blocking the output.

I'm out of my league here, but in case it helps - I'm sure I read that 
xmms needs oss, but when alsa is running it happily uses the oss 
emulation.

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Re: [newbie] Beep Media Player

2004-03-21 Thread Brian Parish
On Sun, 2004-03-21 at 19:21, Anne Wilson wrote:
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 On Saturday 20 March 2004 22:40, Brian Parish wrote:
 
  Yeah - I've found artsd doing that sort of thing, so I have it
  disabled.  Probably the real answer has something to do with the
  fact that the only output plugin that wants to work is OSS.  The
  native ALSA stuff may do better, but XMMS just makes no sound or
  complains that something is blocking the output.
 
 I'm out of my league here, but in case it helps - I'm sure I read that 
 xmms needs oss, but when alsa is running it happily uses the oss 
 emulation.
 
 Anne

Well I can select different output plugins - artsd, alsa - even jack if
that is installed - so I presume that the OSS emulation is only used if
the OSS output is selected.  Otherwise I am obviously missing something
significant.

cheers
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Re: [newbie] Beep Media Player

2004-03-21 Thread Anne Wilson
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On Sunday 21 March 2004 13:07, Brian Parish wrote:
 On Sun, 2004-03-21 at 19:21, Anne Wilson wrote:
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  On Saturday 20 March 2004 22:40, Brian Parish wrote:
   Yeah - I've found artsd doing that sort of thing, so I have it
   disabled.  Probably the real answer has something to do with
   the fact that the only output plugin that wants to work is OSS.
The native ALSA stuff may do better, but XMMS just makes no
   sound or complains that something is blocking the output.
 
  I'm out of my league here, but in case it helps - I'm sure I read
  that xmms needs oss, but when alsa is running it happily uses the
  oss emulation.
 
  Anne

 Well I can select different output plugins - artsd, alsa - even
 jack if that is installed - so I presume that the OSS emulation is
 only used if the OSS output is selected.  Otherwise I am obviously
 missing something significant.

Brian, you probably know more than I do about this, but ISTR that it 
was something to do with it being a gnome app.

Anne
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Re: [newbie] Beep Media Player

2004-03-20 Thread Brian Parish
On Sat, 2004-03-20 at 00:10, David E. Fox wrote:
 On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 01:21:33 +1100
 Brian Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  Well this is an AMD XP2800 with 512MB and a decent dual DDR mobo.  I
  don't see any hesitancy and no load when idle, but I get skips galore
  on
 
 That's quite odd, as xmms is usually low latency on such a system. I
 wonder if there might be something else that's amiss. Case in point, on
 my AMD 1000 box recently, I experienced lots of skips recently playing
 from a URL. This is fairly uncommon, even though I was encoding a VCD at
 the same time. But that wasn't the problem - it was artsd. Darn thing
 was eating up most of the cpu, and (2.6) kernel was spending a lto of
 time in system mode. As a result, my system was barely usable, and the
 encode ended up dropping way too many frames :(. Killing artsd made it
 all better.
 
  Brian
Yeah - I've found artsd doing that sort of thing, so I have it
disabled.  Probably the real answer has something to do with the fact
that the only output plugin that wants to work is OSS.  The native ALSA
stuff may do better, but XMMS just makes no sound or complains that
something is blocking the output.

cheers
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Re: [newbie] Beep Media Player

2004-03-19 Thread David E. Fox
On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 01:21:33 +1100
Brian Parish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Well this is an AMD XP2800 with 512MB and a decent dual DDR mobo.  I
 don't see any hesitancy and no load when idle, but I get skips galore
 on

That's quite odd, as xmms is usually low latency on such a system. I
wonder if there might be something else that's amiss. Case in point, on
my AMD 1000 box recently, I experienced lots of skips recently playing
from a URL. This is fairly uncommon, even though I was encoding a VCD at
the same time. But that wasn't the problem - it was artsd. Darn thing
was eating up most of the cpu, and (2.6) kernel was spending a lto of
time in system mode. As a result, my system was barely usable, and the
encode ended up dropping way too many frames :(. Killing artsd made it
all better.

 Brian

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Re: [newbie] Beep Media Player

2004-03-16 Thread JoeHill
On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 11:03:16 +1100
Brian Parish disseminated the following:

   beep-media-player-0.9.7-0.20040220.2mdk.i586.rpm
   libbeep-media-player1-0.9.7-0.20040220.2mdk.i586.rpm
   libbeep-media-player1-devel-0.9.7-0.20040220.2mdk.i586.rpm
 
 Just tried this.  I can see that it's built on XMMS, but what is the
 advantage over XMMS?  I'm having troule seeing a difference apart from
 the fact that running XMMS realtime as root gives me very few skips,
 while running bmp in the same way skips all over the place.  (Note: this
 skipping problem seems to be closely linked to me using xinerama with
 two video cards.)

You have to understand my obsession with ridding my desktop of all GTK1.2 ;-)

I don't get skipping in any of my media players, unless I have my CPU maxed out
doing something else, and I'm flippin' through desktops like a madman...does
Xinerama put a load on your CPU?

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Re: [newbie] Beep Media Player

2004-03-16 Thread Brian Parish
On Wed, 2004-03-17 at 00:14, JoeHill wrote:
 On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 23:35:19 +1100
 Brian Parish disseminated the following:
 
   I don't get skipping in any of my media players, unless I have my CPU maxed
   out
   doing something else, and I'm flippin' through desktops like a madman...does
   Xinerama put a load on your CPU?
  
  Well I see X consistently in the top few processes running top and if I
  wangle a window around, it jumps to 70% of CPU.
 
 Well, that's normal, it just means the CPU is actually doing something. But it
 shouldn't hesitate or respond slowly.
 
   I guess that would be load by any definition.  Maybe I should be looking
   into this instead of accepting it as harsh reality.  I gather that you don't
   see this behavior when madly flipping?
 
 Not at all. For me, X uses about 16 MB of mem, and very little CPU load (0.3
 at idle). 
 
 When 'madly flipping', I never see any hesitation or slow draws. I wouldn't
 expect so, running a GF4 Ti.

Well this is an AMD XP2800 with 512MB and a decent dual DDR mobo.  I
don't see any hesitancy and no load when idle, but I get skips galore on
the sound when moving windows unless I run XMMS realtime.  Wasn't
required pre-xinerama, so I guess that's the difference.

cheers
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Re: [newbie] Beep Media Player

2004-03-16 Thread JoeHill
On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 07:50:50 -0500
Lee Wiggers disseminated the following:

 He must not.  We know for sure he's always madly flipping.

Okay, now we got _two_ Don Rickles on here...you competing with Aron?

But yes, tis true...like a freakin' Dolphin!

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Re: [newbie] Beep Media Player

2004-03-16 Thread JoeHill
On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 01:21:33 +1100
Brian Parish disseminated the following:

 Well this is an AMD XP2800 with 512MB and a decent dual DDR mobo.  I
 don't see any hesitancy and no load when idle, but I get skips galore on
 the sound when moving windows unless I run XMMS realtime.  Wasn't
 required pre-xinerama, so I guess that's the difference.

Gotta be, because your box makes mine look like a ten dollar Radio Shack
calculator...

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Re: [newbie] Beep Media Player

2004-03-16 Thread Fajar Priyanto
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On Tuesday 16 March 2004 11:39 pm, JoeHill wrote:
 On Wed, 17 Mar 2004 01:21:33 +1100

 Brian Parish disseminated the following:
  Well this is an AMD XP2800 with 512MB and a decent dual DDR mobo.  I
  don't see any hesitancy and no load when idle, but I get skips galore on
  the sound when moving windows unless I run XMMS realtime.  Wasn't
  required pre-xinerama, so I guess that's the difference.

 Gotta be, because your box makes mine look like a ten dollar Radio Shack
 calculator...
LOL!
Cheer up man! I'm the one who's using dialup here :))
I'm sure it can make you feel better knowing that in this internet broadband 
days, there are still many people who use dial up. What the heck... someday, 
sometime, I'll have it :))

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Re: [newbie] Beep Media Player

2004-03-15 Thread Brian Parish
On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 15:57, JoeHill wrote:
 On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:05:36 -0500
 Charles A Edwards disseminated the following:
 
  Now available for mdk 9.2
  
  beep-media-player-0.9.7-0.20040220.2mdk.i586.rpm
  libbeep-media-player1-0.9.7-0.20040220.2mdk.i586.rpm
  libbeep-media-player1-devel-0.9.7-0.20040220.2mdk.i586.rpm

Just tried this.  I can see that it's built on XMMS, but what is the
advantage over XMMS?  I'm having troule seeing a difference apart from
the fact that running XMMS realtime as root gives me very few skips,
while running bmp in the same way skips all over the place.  (Note: this
skipping problem seems to be closely linked to me using xinerama with
two video cards.)

cheers
Brian


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Re: [newbie] Beep Media Player

2004-03-14 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:15:26 -0500
JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 Anyone been successful in building BMP? On MDK 9.2, I get the error:
 
 FATAL ERROR: Autoconf version 2.50 or higher is required for this script
 
 Even though:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/share$rpm -qa | grep autoconf
 autoconf-2.13-19mdk
 autoconf2.5-2.57-5mdk
 
 It was suggested on the BMP mailing list to try:
 
 % export AUTOCONF=autoconf-2.57
 % export AUTOHEADER=autoheader-2.5x
 
 but then I get:
 
 ac-wrapper: ouch, couldn't call binary (/usr/bin/autom4te-2.13).
 autoheader-2.5x: /usr/bin/autom4te failed with exit status: 2
 *error* autoheader-2.5x failed. (exit code = 0)
 
 Is there something specific to Mandrake in the way these development tools need
 to be called?
 


looks like it needs the envvar of WANT_AUTOCONF_2_5 set to 1, looking at 
/usr/lib/autoconf/ac-wrapper.pl

export WANT_AUTOCONF_2_5=1 

I'll try it and see.

Jerry.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] jerry]$ ls -al /usr/bin/auto*
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 29 Mar 12 03:00 /usr/bin/autoconf - 
../lib/autoconf/ac-wrapper.pl*
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root   5141 Aug 19  2003 /usr/bin/autoconf-2.13*
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root   7663 Jan 20 19:11 /usr/bin/autoconf-2.5x*
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 29 Mar 12 03:00 /usr/bin/autoheader - 
../lib/autoconf/ac-wrapper.pl*
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root   8656 Aug 19  2003 /usr/bin/autoheader-2.13*
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root   8123 Jan 20 19:11 /usr/bin/autoheader-2.5x*
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 36 Mar 14 14:34 /usr/bin/autom4te - 
../../usr/lib/autoconf/ac-wrapper.pl*
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root  30244 Jan 20 19:11 /usr/bin/autom4te-2.5x*
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 26 Mar 12 03:00 /usr/bin/automake - 
/etc/alternatives/automake*
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root 199561 May 26  2003 /usr/bin/automake-1.4*
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root  15167 Jan 10 17:02 /usr/bin/autopoint*
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 29 Mar 12 03:00 /usr/bin/autoreconf - 
../lib/autoconf/ac-wrapper.pl*
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root   6044 Aug 19  2003 /usr/bin/autoreconf-2.13*
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root  19057 Jan 20 19:11 /usr/bin/autoreconf-2.5x*
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 29 Mar 12 03:00 /usr/bin/autoscan - 
../lib/autoconf/ac-wrapper.pl*
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root   9533 Aug 19  2003 /usr/bin/autoscan-2.13*
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root  16338 Jan 20 19:11 /usr/bin/autoscan-2.5x*
lrwxrwxrwx  1 root root 29 Mar 12 03:00 /usr/bin/autoupdate - 
../lib/autoconf/ac-wrapper.pl*
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root   3269 Aug 19  2003 /usr/bin/autoupdate-2.13*
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root  33094 Jan 20 19:11 /usr/bin/autoupdate-2.5x*
-rwxr-xr-x  1 root root  40632 May 31  2003 /usr/bin/autozen*

[EMAIL PROTECTED] autoconf]$ cat ac-wrapper.pl 
#!/usr/bin/perl
#
#
# Guillaume Cottenceau ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
#
# Copyright 2001-2002 MandrakeSoft
#
# This software may be freely redistributed under the terms of the GNU
# public license.
#
# You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
# along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
# Foundation, Inc., 675 Mass Ave, Cambridge, MA 02139, USA.
#
#
# Executes the correct autoconf version.
#
# - defaults to autoconf-2.13
# - runs autoconf-2.5x if it exists and...
#   - envvar WANT_AUTOCONF_2_5 is set to `1'
# -or-
#   - configure.ac is present
# -or-
#   - `configure.in' contains AC_PREREQ and the value's 3 first letters
# are stringwise greater than '2.1'
# -or-
#   - `configure' is already present and was generated by autoconf greater than '2.1'
# -or-
#   - `Makefile.in' was generated by automake-1.6 or superior, which specifically 
needs autoconf-2.5x
# -or-
#   - `aclocal.m4' contains AC_PREREQ and it says we require a more recent than 2.1 
version
#

use MDK::Common;

my $binary = $0-2.13;
my $binary_new = $0-2.5x;

if (!$ENV{WANT_AUTOCONF_2_1}) {
if (-x $binary_new  # user may have only 2.13
 ($ENV{WANT_AUTOCONF_2_5}
|| -r 'configure.ac'
|| (cat_('configure.in') =~ /^\s*AC_PREREQ\(\[?([^\)]{3})[^\)]*\)/m ? $1 : 
'') gt '2.1' 
|| (cat_('configure') =~ /^# Generated by (?:GNU )?Autoconf (\S+)/m ? $1 : 
'') gt '2.1'
|| (cat_('Makefile.in') =~ /^# Makefile\.in generated by automake (\S+)/ ? 
$1 : '') ge '1.6'
|| (cat_('aclocal.m4') =~ /^\s*AC_PREREQ\(\[?([^\)]{3})[^\)]*\)/m ? $1 : 
'') gt '2.1')) {
$ENV{WANT_AUTOCONF_2_5} = 1;# to prevent further cats and to enhance 
consistency (possible cwd etc)
$binary = $binary_new;
} else {
$ENV{WANT_AUTOCONF_2_1} = 1;# for further consistency
}
}

$ENV{WANT_ACWRAPPER_DEBUG} and print STDERR ac-wrapper: will execute $binary\n;

exec $binary, @ARGV;

die ac-wrapper: ouch, couldn't call binary ($binary).\n;
# - defaults to autoconf-2.13
# - runs autoconf-2.5x if it exists and...
#   - envvar WANT_AUTOCONF_2_5 is set to `1'

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Re: [newbie] Beep Media Player

2004-03-14 Thread JoeHill
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:15:26 -0500
JoeHill disseminated the following:

 Anyone been successful in building BMP? On MDK 9.2, I get the error:
 
 FATAL ERROR: Autoconf version 2.50 or higher is required for this script
 
 Even though:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/share$rpm -qa | grep autoconf
 autoconf-2.13-19mdk
 autoconf2.5-2.57-5mdk
 
 It was suggested on the BMP mailing list to try:
 
 % export AUTOCONF=autoconf-2.57
 % export AUTOHEADER=autoheader-2.5x
 
 but then I get:
 
 ac-wrapper: ouch, couldn't call binary (/usr/bin/autom4te-2.13).
 autoheader-2.5x: /usr/bin/autom4te failed with exit status: 2
 *error* autoheader-2.5x failed. (exit code = 0)
 
 Is there something specific to Mandrake in the way these development tools
 need
 to be called?

I tried building from the Cooker SRC.RPM, and I get this:

cd .  /bin/sh /usr/src/RPM/BUILD/bmp/missing --run autoheader
Can't locate object method path via package Autom4te::Request at
/usr/bin/autom4te-2.5x line 81. autoheader-2.5x: /usr/bin/autom4te failed with
exit status: 1

seems like maybe the problem is more autoheader (version?) than with autoconf.

Maybe I could convince Charles to weigh in on this one? ;-)

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Re: [newbie] Beep Media Player

2004-03-14 Thread Charles A Edwards
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:14:50 -0500
JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Maybe I could convince Charles to weigh in on this one? ;-)

At the moment I'm building rekall on my 9.2 system which takes awhile,
already have it done for 10.0 but it needs to be tested.

I'll try looking at beep tomorrow.

In the mean time you should be able to get it to build by installing
automake1.7 and removing then automake-1.4.




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Re: [newbie] Beep Media Player

2004-03-14 Thread JoeHill
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:33:00 -0500
Charles A Edwards disseminated the following:

  Maybe I could convince Charles to weigh in on this one? ;-)
 
 At the moment I'm building rekall on my 9.2 system which takes awhile,
 already have it done for 10.0 but it needs to be tested.
 
 I'll try looking at beep tomorrow.

That would be fantastic!
 
 In the mean time you should be able to get it to build by installing
 automake1.7 and removing then automake-1.4.

I'll give that a shot with the CVS. Thanks.

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Re: [newbie] Beep Media Player

2004-03-14 Thread JoeHill
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:33:00 -0500
Charles A Edwards disseminated the following:

 In the mean time you should be able to get it to build by installing
 automake1.7 and removing then automake-1.4.

Nah, no joy. Dammit.

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Re: [newbie] Beep Media Player

2004-03-14 Thread Charles A Edwards
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:40:24 -0500
JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I'll try looking at beep tomorrow.
 
 That would be fantastic!


Now available for mdk 9.2

beep-media-player-0.9.7-0.20040220.2mdk.i586.rpm
libbeep-media-player1-0.9.7-0.20040220.2mdk.i586.rpm
libbeep-media-player1-devel-0.9.7-0.20040220.2mdk.i586.rpm



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Re: [newbie] Beep Media Player

2004-03-14 Thread JoeHill
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:05:36 -0500
Charles A Edwards disseminated the following:

  That would be fantastic!
 
 
 Now available for mdk 9.2
 
 beep-media-player-0.9.7-0.20040220.2mdk.i586.rpm
 libbeep-media-player1-0.9.7-0.20040220.2mdk.i586.rpm
 libbeep-media-player1-devel-0.9.7-0.20040220.2mdk.i586.rpm

Thank you very very much.

Would you mind if I posted a link to your site to the BMP list? There may be
other Mandrake users on there who would be very happy to see these available!

Once again, thanks.

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Re: [newbie] Beep Media Player

2004-03-14 Thread Charles A Edwards
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 23:15:04 -0500
JoeHill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Would you mind if I posted a link to your site to the BMP list?  

Fine with me.


Charles

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Re: [newbie] Beep Media Player

2004-03-14 Thread JoeHill
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:05:36 -0500
Charles A Edwards disseminated the following:

 Now available for mdk 9.2
 
 beep-media-player-0.9.7-0.20040220.2mdk.i586.rpm
 libbeep-media-player1-0.9.7-0.20040220.2mdk.i586.rpm
 libbeep-media-player1-devel-0.9.7-0.20040220.2mdk.i586.rpm

...gratuitous screenshot!

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