Re: [newbie] Dumbest test I've ever seen
From: Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Don't bother looking here :
http://www.choice.com.au/viewArticle.aspx?id=104575catId=100276tid=18p=1
And here I thought the Aussies were bright :-(
Stephen and Franki : don't you have asylums down under ?
Kaj Haulrich.
The criteria were somewhat weak. But given that it was a journalist
who did the tests and installs it is fair to consider him to be more
of a talking head mentality than a technoid mentality. That is fair,
too. He was performing his tests for Aunt Tilly not for the average
highly computer literate technoid such as we are or are approaching
as a state of being.
Mandrake is not ready for Aunt Tilly. Although it does install and
come up usable. It is enough different that people used to Apples,
as I suspect is the case with the reviewer, are not going to get
along with Mandrake/KDE all that well. (I noticed he had faults
with Windows in this regard that seem a little off the mark.) I
note that the reviewer is not particularly security conscious.
Otherwise the scores would be tilted quite differently than they
were with Apple and Linux getting far higher scores than Windows.
The reviewer was a journalist (dumb about tech to begin with)
writing for Aunt Tillies.
(As an aside, if you think a journalist's review of the OSs tested
is far off base do remember that it is journalists who are largely
shaping your opinions of what is going on in the world today with
their biases and outright ignorance as a starting point. Just
contemplate the point. It's not worth debating.)
{^_-} (I rather like Linux over the years I've used and abused it.
I very much liked AmigaDOS in its day. I make my income off
Microsoft's OS. It has some nice near real time characteristics
and is the only OS supported for Matrox Digisuite cards. But
when it comes to Macs I am severely challenged to get them to
do anything but what THEY want to do. I guess I'm dumb with them
or they require a mode of thinking I'm not good at.)
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Re: [newbie] Dumbest test I've ever seen
On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 23:28:57 +0100 Kaj Haulrich disseminated the following: Don't bother looking here : http://www.choice.com.au/viewArticle.aspx?id=104575catId=100276tid=18p=1 And here I thought the Aussies were bright :-( This is one of my favourite parts: We___d also like to see inbuilt antivirus software in all operating systems ___ the tested operating systems don___t currently include a virus checker. ...and this would serve *what* purpose on a Desktop Linux or Mac system? -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 18:57:59 up 31 days, 7:38, 6 users, load average: 0.82, 0.71, 0.35 +++ Behind every great fortune is a crime. -- Balzac Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dumbest test I've ever seen
hehehe.. Windows XP was the only operating system that couldn't recognise and open an imported Excel file the included office software is very basic so you need to install Microsoft Office or another more advanced program. most aunt tillys in this world can't run windows for very long without the occasional intervention from a niece of nephew to remove the latest outlook express virus, worms and all the spyware she's installed. I'm happy that all the aunt tillys in my life run mandrake or suse - and I don't give them the root password. On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:47:43 -0800, jdow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Kaj Haulrich [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't bother looking here : http://www.choice.com.au/viewArticle.aspx?id=104575catId=100276tid=18p=1 And here I thought the Aussies were bright :-( Stephen and Franki : don't you have asylums down under ? Kaj Haulrich. -- The true meaning of life is to plant trees, under whose shade you do not expect to sit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dumbest test I've ever seen
On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 15:47:43 -0800 jdow disseminated the following: And here I thought the Aussies were bright :-( Stephen and Franki : don't you have asylums down under ? Kaj Haulrich. The criteria were somewhat weak. But given that it was a journalist who did the tests and installs it is fair to consider him to be more of a talking head mentality than a technoid mentality. That is fair, too. He was performing his tests for Aunt Tilly not for the average highly computer literate technoid such as we are or are approaching as a state of being. ...none of which excuses a journalist from misinforming people. As you point out, the author make an egregious error in not properly comparing the different OS's from a security standpoint. If one wants to merely journalise ones own experiences for anecdotal interest, that's one thing, but to put on the appearance that they had actually done some research, and have clearly not done so, is disingenuous. -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 19:17:04 up 31 days, 7:57, 6 users, load average: 0.11, 0.07, 0.14 +++ It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes, to blind you from the truth... -- Morpheus, in The Matrix, describing Fox News Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dumbest test I've ever seen
On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 15:47:43 -0800 jdow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mandrake is not ready for Aunt Tilly. Although it does install and come up usable. This may be true, but I would not know since I do not have an Aunt Tillie. I did have a stepmother over 90 years of age who used Mandrake though. When she moved and had to use her sons computer she complained about the clumsy OS (MS of course) I still bristle when people say Linux is not intuitive. As someone smarter than me has said, the only intuitive human interface is the breast. John Montgomery Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dumbest test I've ever seen
On Wednesday 02 February 2005 05:55 pm, J or M Montgomery wrote: On Wed, 02 Feb 2005 15:47:43 -0800 jdow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mandrake is not ready for Aunt Tilly. Although it does install and come up usable. This may be true, but I would not know since I do not have an Aunt Tillie. I did have a stepmother over 90 years of age who used Mandrake though. When she moved and had to use her sons computer she complained about the clumsy OS (MS of course) My 81 year old uncle liked the music ripping features in Mandrake so I gave him a set of disks told him to call me he did a week later just wanted to know how to un tar a file BTW he is a retired carpenter I still bristle when people say Linux is not intuitive. As someone smarter than me has said, the only intuitive human interface is the breast. John Montgomery Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dumbest test I've ever seen
Kaj Haulrich wrote: Don't bother looking here : http://www.choice.com.au/viewArticle.aspx?id=104575catId=100276tid=18p=1 And here I thought the Aussies were bright :-( Stephen and Franki : don't you have asylums down under ? Kaj Haulrich. I had to look into this "bad test". I am sorry, but as a disgruntled MS user I see nothing wrong with this test. I recently had to use IE to get a boarding pass for Karen (learned why folks want to counterfeit using IE). Removing the "mining" cookies with Ad Aware really screwed up both Windoze and my Netscape 7.1. Took me 3 weeks to straighten out every thing. What does this have to do with this test? There are a lot of us out here that are not happy the the wonderful features of MS. The reason that most got MS is because it is easy to get. We got it because that was the platform that had the features that we needed. In 98 linux did not have what we need in anywhere near the easy use that we need. Did not have, do not have, the time to get that deep into comp sci, nor the interest. Judging by this test, MAC sounds great (it was my preference in 98 but just didn't meet our needs). MS sounds like it has the advantage of costing the most and very little else. To us, ignorant consumers, it boils down to how much time are we spending on the learning curve and maintaining the system. Looks to me like the Linux systems come out pretty damned good in this test. It would be nice if the folks doing the tests knew more about how the linux systems work in relation to security. I think it is unreasonable to expect it though. Linus is an "underground, radical and possibly communist" system. It is not mass marketed compared to MS or even MAC. To expect writers to know anything about linux is asking too much. I am impressed that linux was included and I think you should be too. I have found, this is my observation and oppinion, that linux users are rightfully sarcastic about MS and, for no reason that I can see, awfully defensive about linux. When somewhere in the area of 472 percent of computers use MS, it seems to me that linux is doing real well. It is improving. This is something that no one, except MS, claims about Windoze. This "test" is just some bunch of well meaning folks that are suprised to fine that linux is competitive. Give them a break and they may come around. Tom Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dumbest test I've ever seen
Kaj Haulrich wrote: Don't bother looking here : http://www.choice.com.au/viewArticle.aspx?id=104575catId=100276tid=18p=1 And here I thought the Aussies were bright :-( Stephen and Franki : don't you have asylums down under ? Kaj Haulrich. I had to look into this bad test. I am sorry, but as a disgruntled MS user I see nothing wrong with this test. I recently had to use IE to get a boarding pass for Karen (learned why folks want to counterfeit using IE). Removing the mining cookies with Ad Aware really screwed up both Windoze and my Netscape 7.1. Took me 3 weeks to straighten out every thing. What does this have to do with this test? There are a lot of us out here that are not happy the the wonderful features of MS. The reason that most got MS is because it is easy to get. We got it because that was the platform that had the features that we needed. In 98 linux did not have what we need in anywhere near the easy use that we need. Did not have, do not have, the time to get that deep into comp sci, nor the interest. Judging by this test, MAC sounds great (it was my preference in 98 but just didn't meet our needs). MS sounds like it has the advantage of costing the most and very little else. To us, ignorant consumers, it boils down to how much time are we spending on the learning curve and maintaining the system. Looks to me like the Linux systems come out pretty damned good in this test. It would be nice if the folks doing the tests knew more about how the linux systems work in relation to security. I think it is unreasonable to expect it though. Linus is an underground, radical and possibly communist system. It is not mass marketed compared to MS or even MAC. To expect writers to know anything about linux is asking too much. I am impressed that linux was included and I think you should be too. I have found, this is my observation and oppinion, that linux users are rightfully sarcastic about MS and, for no reason that I can see, awfully defensive about linux. When somewhere in the area of 472 percent of computers use MS, it seems to me that linux is doing real well. It is improving. This is something that no one, except MS, claims about Windoze. This test is just some bunch of well meaning folks that are suprised to fine that linux is competitive. Give them a break and they may come around. Tom Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Dumbest test I've ever seen
On Wednesday 02 February 2005 03:47 pm, jdow wrote: | | Mandrake is not ready for Aunt Tilly. I have to throw a BS flag on this. Aunt Tilly can't install Windows. While she can click an executable and install a program in Win, with Mandrake, there certainly aren't many programs she would need--everything useful to her is installed by default. Auntie has to be talked through her internet connection by her ISP, or an installer has to come over and set up her DSL for her (and with Win she will be promptly hosting spyware and adware, is my guess). So, internet setup is a wash for Windows and Linux. My wife has been using Mandrake for years (since she got hit with the Anna K worm within a couple of hours of it being released into the wild). If she can use it (as she once told a friend of ours), Anybody can. And no, she can't install Windows, either. And, I've installed Mandrake on a number of friend's computers, and most aren't very computer savvy. They are using it and they are still my friends. I get a lot fewer questions and provide a lot less support to them than I do to my friends with Windows machines--most of the Windows problems are due to spyware/adware and just plain stupidity. Stupidity is hard on Linux (unless you run as root) and the spyware and adware just aren't there. So, I ask you, Which system is really easier for Aunt Tilly? Remember, all she wants to do is some word processing, open a *.pdf once in a while, browse for recipes and send and receive her e-mail. And maybe share pics of the nieces and nephews. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
